/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10598163
It doesn't make it inherently religious, it just means that there are a lot of people who think of it as a religion. The underlying science can be done entirely by robots.

>>10598167
In short, normies are brainlets

>>10598167
robots know when they are wrong?

>>10598163
She'll stop being a saint once she gets old enough to be the one responsible for the change she's now demanding.

Being a child removes any potential criticism and need for actual opinions, she can just whine without actually needing a solution. But, all kids grow.

Honestly, she'd become a martyr to go down into history much like Jesus if she somehow died. Especially if she was murdered by a heretic, she'd literally spawn a real religion

Deny this one motherfuckers

When climate change damage becomes more apparent, guess what will happen?
Everyone will be pretending that they were predicting it all along.
Everyone including the current climate change deniers.
They will be on 4chan lying that they knew it all along.

>>10598239

http://climatechangepredictions.org/

keep trying!

>>10598163
Who are you quoting?

It's a fucking doomsday cult. Of course they the pathetic tactic of using children to further this bullshit agenda that will serve to make "green energy" companies filthy rich and to halt 3rd world countries from developing.

>>10598241
What's your point?

>>10598163
She might be a role model to people because of her way of living or some may even go as far as to call her a hero. But a saint? This thing is based on reason. She's literally an assburger who can only understand reason. She's freaking out because politicians and many adults are unreasonable.

>>10598246
>to halt 3rd world countries from developing.
wtf I love climate change now

We’re not even going to mention those new Russian trade routes huh

>>10598245
>Who are you quoting?
>>10598247
>go as far as to call her a hero. But a saint?

http://intellectualtakeout.org/article/eco-gospel-according-saint-greta

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/22/the-cult-of-greta-thunberg/

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/453730-greta-thunberg-environmental-activist-crusader-saint/

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/schoolgirl-climate-activist-greta-thunberg-meets-the-pope

>>10598251
think twice please:
if they develop they'll make less children; globalists want them to make as much children as possible; if you don't have a clear view of the consequences of this, ask /pol/

/off topic

>>10598186
She's actually 17 this year, the fact that she looks like 10 is sort of weird.

I don't know anything about her and I support her cause.
Would be cool though if that lead figure was someone with another charisma.
Viewed as a woman, she looks pretty retarded

>>10598211
Nobody’s going to respond to this? Is it not obvious what’s going on in the infographic?

>>10598241
>Some random blog containing quotes from non-scientists, with no clear methodology or analysis.
Oh wow, time to shut climatology down. Turn the lights off and send the scientists home in a taxi.

>>10598300
this but unironically. fuck scientists. they can't even find a cure for baldness and you expect to believe they can predict the climate? economists have a better predictive power

God I fucking hate women

>>10598246
This.
Think about it, first world countries developed using as much coal and cutting as much wood as they possibly could. Now they're trying to prohibit undeveloped nations from doing the same.

>>10598305
Ok, why do you feel this way? It sound like you have a room temperature iq.

>>10598368
You ain't got much of an education, have you? Second Grade dropout motherfucker, you.

>>10598332
Maybe they should have developed first. This isn't the developed countries' fault that its too late now.

>>10598163
>a religion rather than science
Science is a religion

>>10598552
It can be fetishized into one.

>>10598552
>the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
>is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.
yeah totally the same thing

>>10599107
No, but the people that invented the latter believed in the former (although your characterization of it is absolutely fucking retarded).

>>10599148
Utterly meaningless simply because they didn't have the means to prove that virtually all of religion's claims are either false or falsifiable is no justification.

>>10598552
>Science is a religion
anon, astrology and astronomy have been separated a long time ago

>>10598163
Who defined either as a “saint” or “heretic”, and why are you assuming one definition of “saint” to be the one used? Shit thread.

>>10598246
>It's a fucking doomsday cult.

No, because doomsday cults want doomsday to arrive.

>Of course they the pathetic tactic of using children to further this bullshit agenda that will serve to make "green energy" companies filthy rich

Oil companies are vastly richer. Why are you delusional?

>and to halt 3rd world countries from developing.

They can develop without using fossil fuels.

>>10598305
>they can't even find a cure for baldness and you expect to believe they can predict the climate?

Non sequitur.

>>10599270
no it's not

>>10599275
Yes it fucking is you utter retard

>>10598163
Reminder that this entire thing is done by an advertising agency.

>>10598305
Just fucking own your baldness, stop combing over and look like a man.

>>10599275
>Dur no it isn’t cus I saed so

Baldness is one thing. Climate change is a different thing. Since these are different, very different, that’s a non sequitur. The ability of modern science to cure something completely irrelevant like baldness is completely irrelevant to the ability of modern science to anticipate future climate trends. Your bait is trash.

>>10599310
if scientists are too incompetent to solve something as simple as baldness, allow me to show a healthy dose of skepticism about their ability to predict the future

>>10599416
If they haven't solved it, it's evidently not simple, unlike you.

>>10599416
>if scientists are too incompetent to solve something as simple as baldness

Baldness isn’t simple.

>allow me to show a healthy dose of skepticism about their ability to predict the future

Predicting the future of a thermodynamic system like the Earth is actually not that difficult. I’ll help you out some.
We can agglomerate the factors involved in Earth’s temperature to only two meta-factors.

Factor A: The strength of solar radiation

Factor B: The ability of earth to absorb and retain this radiation’s energy. This factor includes things like albedo, Milankovich cycles, and the greenhouse effect. These factors interplay with eachother, creating positive feedback. For example, the milankovich cycles cause temperatures to drop on a scale of tens of thousands of years and then rise again. (Do note that this effect is far too slow to explain the current warming Trend), and when the global average temperature drops, sea ice can expand further in the winter and retain more mass in summer, and this increases albedo, which also decreases temperature, allowing the sea ice to extend further.

The greenhouse effect causes the earth to retain more thermal energy, and more thermal energy means that the sea ice won’t extend as far in the winter and lose more mass in the summer, and that decreases albedo, meaning temperature will increase from that factor as well. So therefore, since humans are making more greenhouse gasses, and the milankovich cycles are too slow to nullify the current warming trend or explain it, we should observe the earth....getting warmer.


Doooo yoooouuu understaaaaand?

>>10598360
needs a baby asap

>>10599485
>>10599491
it's simple you're just incompetent

>>10599505
Shit who knew genetic disorders were so easy to cure. Cancer BTFO by anon.

>>10599491
>humans are making more greenhouse gasses
The main greenhouse gas is water vapor; the role of CO2 is negligible in regard of temperatures; it's main role is being food for plants: the more the better.

>>10599521
Where do you retards get this shit? Are you legitimately oil company shills or are there like /pol/ threads where they hand out all these bogus arguments?

>>10599505
Then you fix it.

>>10599529
>Muh oil companies

As if 'scientists' are not interested in scaring the public for grants, lmao retard

There is also nothing incorrect in what he said

Go back to your shitty website faggot

>>10599521
Rising CO2 causes more water to evaporate and more vapor to be routinely present in the atmosphere. Other similar things happen. It's not like the isolated warming effects of just CO2 emissions are particularly bad, but the world is an interconnected system with nonlinear effects.

Two decades ago, the cult of climate denial only really existed in the United States, where "science" could be bought by corporate interests. It is only very recently that they exported this bullshit to the rest of the world. Before that it was just accepted science everywhere else. Americans, please get some perspective and stop polluting the discourse the same way your consumerist lifestyle and two SUV's per capita pollute the planet.

Apparently she is autistic so maybr she goes on here

>>10598259
>deniers perjoratively call her a saint in order to imply that AGW is a religion
>this proves people treat her as a saint

>>10599521
>>10599560
>As water vapour is directly related to temperature, it's also a positive feedback - in fact, the largest positive feedback in the climate system (Soden 2005). As temperature rises, evaporation increases and more water vapour accumulates in the atmosphere. As a greenhouse gas, the water absorbs more heat, further warming the air and causing more evaporation. When CO2 is added to the atmosphere, as a greenhouse gas it has a warming effect. This causes more water to evaporate and warm the air to a higher, stabilized level. So the warming from CO2 has an amplified effect.

>How much does water vapour amplify CO2 warming? Without any feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would warm the globe around 1°C. Taken on its own, water vapour feedback roughly doubles the amount of CO2 warming. When other feedbacks are included (eg - loss of albedo due to melting ice), the total warming from a doubling of CO2 is around 3°C (Held 2000).

>>10599505
>it's simple you're just incompetent

Oh, it’s simple. Cure balding then.

>The main greenhouse gas is water vapor

Excess water vapor leaves the atmosphere quickly. It does not accumulate like CO2, and higher temperatures caused by CO2 increase the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere in a positive feedback interaction.

>the role of CO2 is negligible in regard of temperatures

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Observably wrong.

>it's main role is being food for plants: the more the better.

Wrong. C3 Carbon fixation plant’s suffer from higher temperatures, and C4 plants don’t do well either from droughts.

>>10599621
I guess it's progress that deniers now admit that the greenhouse effect exists

>>10599560
>As if 'scientists' are not interested in scaring the public for grants, lmao retard
If they are simply scaring the public it should be easy for you to show that they're wrong.

>There is also nothing incorrect in what he said
Except for the fact that the amount of water vapor is determined by the temperature of the atmosphere, meaning water vapor is part of a feedback loop and not a radiative forcing. Water vapor isn't the initiating cause of any change. Human CO2 emissions are in this case. So his first two points are wrong and the rest is a red herring. What does plant food have to do with anything?

>>10599621

https://notrickszone.com/skeptic-papers-2016-1/
go down to section titled "V. Low CO2 Climate Sensitivity (5)"

https://notrickszone.com/skeptic-papers-2017-1/
go down to section titled "Challenging The Theoretical CO2 Greenhouse Effect As Temperature Driver (15)"

https://notrickszone.com/skeptic-papers-2018-2/
go down to section titled "The CO2 Greenhouse Effect – Climate Driver?"

there are more than 30 papers listed, with links
but I'm sure you'll not read them

>>10599644
I'm not sure scientists are trying to scare anyone, but journalists certainly are. Every time I read stuff about climate change, they always focus on the most pessimistic scenario (RCP8,5) that was said to be unlikely by the IPCC

>>10599783
Then read papers instead of popsci.

>>10599770
>Citing disreputable blogs so they can misquote and misinterpret studies for you

Lol
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scientific-papers-global-warming-myth/

>>10599850
Here’s a quote from a paper these shitheads cited and now this shithead cited the other shithead.

“Finally, the warming trend post‐1850s in the SST reconstruction is consistent with an anthropogenic forcing of the larger Northern Hemisphere temperatures. Therefore, these data suggest a complex combination of solar irradiance, volcanic activity, internal ocean dynamics, and external anthropogenic forcing explain the variability in Aleutian SSTs for the past 342 years.”

Honestly just kill yourself. You’re an embarrassment.

>>10598239
>>10598241

https://www.unz.com/article/fifty-years-of-apocalyptic-global-warming-predictions-and-why-people-believe-them/

>>10599877
>Citing another shitty blog

>>10599644
>What does plant food have to do with anything?

Carbon Dioxide and Global Warming
http://www.co2science.org/about/position/globalwarming.php

Alexander J. Winkler, Ranga B. Myneni, Georgii A. Alexandrov & Victor Brovkin
Nature Communications volume 10, Article number: 885 (2019)
Earth system models underestimate carbon fixation by plants in the high latitudes
https://rdcu.be/bzedq
http://archive.is/uS28d

>>10599951
Might want to read that one again. Here's the conclusion
>Although the Arctic represents only a small fraction of the
terrestrial biosphere, the rapid climatic changes in NHL and
uncertainties associated with the net carbon balance emphasize
the need for further detailed analysis.

the author clearly supports virtually all accepted aspects of AGW but is examining changes in one biosphere that could partially reduce CO2 in the future. Hardly relevant if we don't slow down our emissions.

>>10599979
>People citing studies that don’t say what they think they do

This is really common for lots of different kinds of people on /sci/. Fun to refute them, though.

>>10599979
You're taking a statement out of context and extrapolating on it until it fits your argument. This is textbook cherry-picking.

>>10599521
Explain this >>10598211
You can't. Know why? Because you're a retard. Probably a sissy faggot too and not the good kind.

>>10600067
It's really not, refute any of these points.
1. Author agrees with virtually all aspects of the theory of AGW
2.Author believes there are some aspects of the theory that can be refined.
3.One of these is the effect on increased greening in northern hemispheres due to climate change.
4. His research shows this could partially offset some human emissions but requires further study.

>>10598211
I will help you. And this motherfuckers.

>>10600110
Aw, fuck. I replied to the wrong guy. Sorry, haha...

>>10598246
Fucking kill yourself brainlet. Watch Oklahomas situation where there was massive tax cuts on education and there was gov funding in big Oil. There was no school supplies so the teachers protested. Big oil companies offered supplies to all the schools with the intention of spreading there propaganda. Along with the supplies, books of cartoonish characters explaining how Global warming is fake and how we need oil were given. Oil companies also tried to tell teachers to teach kids how Global warming isn't happening. This is all going on and your stupid ass brain cant understand. Unironically kill yourself. Here is a video debunking all of this shit easily and with sarcasm along with it. https://youtu.be/-VojHT92LGI

>>10600182
I think this is a great post, but /pol/ is right when they say liberal memes are too verbose.

>>10600182
Their*

>>10600195
Lmao but then i took the exact same meme from the actual /pol/and changed only the content. So thats so ironic im laughing right now.

>>10600195
the truth just isn't funny unlike calling someone a nigger

>>10600182
>Oil
>Extremely vital strategic resource
>Not nationalized

Lol what

>>10600329
What are u on about?

She hides a dark secret , She is a human- polar bear hybrid. the first of her kind

>>10598163

> lets use a mongoloid , underage girl to distract the whole world from serious matters
> it actually works

that's how retarded all of you are

>>10598169
That pic is some real 2011 vintage.

>>10600371
I’m saying it’s dumb for the oil industry to be private rather than state-owned. Most countries keep their oil industries state-owned like Norway, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or the UAE.

>>10599875
???

>>10600433
And the private oil companies in the US pay politicians and some spineless scientists to go on the news and lie about GW. A lot of the American people is just too dumb to realise it and they think its the small green energy companies that are the problem. Imagine being this clueless.

>>10598163
climate change denial is just a new phenomenon from when the right wingers started emerging among filthy consumerist city dwellers.
It's pretty smart really, how the (((big corporations))) managed to move their supporters into cities, where they can be easily controlled via consumerism and where they are cut from the real problems of the world which (((they))) want us to ignore.
The same kinda happened in medieval europe when pagans were forced to relocate in tight communities around churches.

That all sounds a lot like religious manipulation to me

>>10601124
I thought right-wingers were Christian, not Jewish.

>>10601124
This... this.. is the single most accurate thing i have read this whole year.

*takes screenshot*

>>10601140
they are only christian in name so they have something to point to when asked what they mean by "muh traditions".
Some on the extreme right think they're anti-jewish but what they really are "anti-" is whoever that laughing man with the fat nose in the caricature is supposed to be. Which is ironic, really, because the actual jews we have in the west are the ones running big corporations and partaking in yuppie big city life who manage to stay where they are thanks to the support from the political right.
Getting inaccurate /pol/ memes drawn about you is a small price to pay for keeping alive the system which keeps you on top.

>>10599491
>Only two factors
>Waxes lyrical about one while trying to make the other sound like it's a simple constant

Broke: school strike for climate
Woke: school shooting for climate

The whole climate meme is specifically designed to target developed countries. Saving the planet is irrelevant.

>Why yes of course, China and India, build as much coal plants as you like, we'll subsidize you for building fewer than you might otherwise have.

>Geo-engineering? No, we don't like the sound of fixing the problem easily.

>Better decarbonise the developed world before we have the tech to replace fossil fuels. Will this kill millions of jobs? Yeah, but they wouldn't vote Left anyway.

>Heavy industry in Western countries? Fuck that, send it all to China via power price hikes. I'm sure they'll do it cleanly.

>Nuclear? No, better shut those plants down?

The climate meme is a religion, it's fundamentally based on piety, humility and guilt as opposed to science. The same people who wailed over building dams because it might hurt a frog have jumped on climate change and milked it for their own ends.

Ask yourself who gains from the 'mitigation' meme with CO2. Is it a logical plan to nip global warming in the bud?

Or is the plan to encourage catastrophic warming, blame Capital and the Right and bring in a communist dictatorship to fight a self-inflicted evil?

>>10601277
I never seen someone so confident on being ignorant

> China and India, build as much plants as you like

You are wrong they are meeting all the goals set by the paris accord. Pic related.

>better decabornize the entire developed world before we have the tech

Wrong again. No1 literally ever said that. We are slowly getting off of fossil fuels. And investing in new renewable energy. This is not a drastic change like u are making it to be idiot u do know what?

>Will it kill millions of jobs?

Wrong again
Infact green energy will create lots of them .
https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2017/07/does-renewable-energy-create-jobs

It reads " Solar power industry alone generated twice more workplaces than the coal and oil industries combined"
>Nuclear? No, better shut those plants down

Take a look at Gen IV. Stop being ignorant


>ask yourself who gains from the "mitigation" meme with CO2

I got email chains saved of lobbiest people that go on the news with headlines like "In defence of CO2" the emails show how they accept money from big oil to fabricate studies and help pushing propaganda so that big oil can produce with no regulation.

Open your eyes idiot. Also you might wanna look up the definition of religion and science.

>>10601277

I never seen someone so confident on being ignorant

> China and India, build as much plants as you like

You are wrong they are meeting all the goals set by the paris accord. Pic related.

>better decabornize the entire developed world before we have the tech

Wrong again. No1 literally ever said that. We are slowly getting off of fossil fuels. And investing in new renewable energy. This is not a drastic change like u are making it to be idiot u do know what?

>Will this kill millions of jobs?

Wrong again
Infact green energy will create lots of them .
https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2017/07/does-renewable-energy-create-jobs

It reads " Solar power industry alone generated twice more workplaces than the coal and oil industries combined"

>Nuclear? No, better shut those plants down

Take a look at Gen IV. Stop being ignorant


>ask yourself who gains from the "mitigation" meme with CO2

I got email chains saved of lobbiest people that go on the news with headlines like "In defence of CO2" the emails show how they accept money from big oil to fabricate studies and help pushing propaganda so that big oil can produce with no regulation.

>blame capital and the right

You are politicising science. Science is not about politics. Peer reviewed papers shows us the facts and you are ignoring them.

Open your eyes idiot. Also you might wanna look up the definition of religion and science.

>>10598163
a cult perhaps

>>10601277


I never seen someone so confident on being ignorant

> China and India, build as much plants as you like

You are wrong they are meeting all the goals set by the paris accord. Pic related.

>better decabornize the entire developed world before we have the tech

Wrong again. No1 literally ever said that. We are slowly getting off of fossil fuels. And investing in new renewable energy. This is not a drastic change like u are making it to be idiot u do know what?

>Will this kill millions of jobs?

Wrong again
Infact green energy will create lots of them .
https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2017/07/does-renewable-energy-create-jobs

It reads " Solar power industry alone generated twice more workplaces than the coal and oil industries combined"

>Nuclear? No, better shut those plants down

Take a look at Gen IV. Stop being ignorant


>ask yourself who gains from the "mitigation" meme with CO2

I got email chains saved of lobbiest people that go on the news with headlines like "In defence of CO2" the emails show how they accept money from big oil to fabricate studies and help pushing propaganda so that big oil can produce with no regulation.

>blame capital and the right

You are politicising science. Science is not about politics. Peer reviewed papers shows us the facts and you are ignoring them.

Open your eyes idiot. Also you might wanna look up the definition of religion and science.

>>10601436
Chinese may be number one in solar market but they dump most the byproducts, their rivers are polluted more than any other on the globe, and that's saying something when you look at the ones in india with so much trash you can walk on top of the river

>>10601442
US used to be worse than it is now, pic related is from Chicago 1904 and 1966

hard to imagine what Chinese would look like because they've never made any progress just getting worse

>>10601439
>You are wrong they are meeting all the goals set by the paris accord. Pic related.
Please cite the exact part of the Paris accord where their specific goals are set.

>>10598331
Kid you're supposed to be in school right now

>THERE ARE NO FACTS, IT'S ALL OPINIONS AND POLITICAL POSITIONS

Sorry but I have to laugh at how retarded this criticism is. Very low IQ thinking from the right.

>>10600424
Problems such as?

>>10601525

> what are the real problems?

exactly , focus less on this mongoloid whore who is nothing but a distraction (and a ridiculous one at that) and more on finding out what the real problems are

>>10601439
>Solar power industry alone generated twice more workplaces than the coal and oil industries combined"
I am sure a source called "greenmatch" is 100% credible on this fact, especially given the scale of the coal and oil industries and the share of electricity provided to the public from those resources.