/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10593241
It's only unhealthy because it's cheap. And because it's cheap and tasty people eat too much of it. You can certainly get some God tier tasty salads and shit, but they are generally relatively expensive. If you ate too much of them, they too would become "unhealthy" for you to keep eating more of.

>>10593251
It's only unhealthy because it's cheap.

>>10593259
Well that's true. What's unhealthy in a burger and chips?

>>10593261
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190409093725.htm
The burger and the chips

>>10593283
lmao 4chan qouted the wrong text

>>10593241
Fat and sugar taste better than water and fiber

>>10593283
What makes them unhealthy?

>>10593287
The fact that it's calorie-dense, devoid of real nutrients, devoid of fiber, and cheap. If you're getting a lot of cals with little nutrients, that's considered unhealthy. Getting less of the cals is difficult with how dense the junk food is, and non-filling.
>>10593251
A salad would have nutrients and fiber, but is generally more expensive, yes.

>>10593241
Looks pretty healthy to me
>fortified white bread
>vegetables(tomatoes, onions, lettuce, potatoes)
>calcium rich cheese
>protein rich meat

>>10593318
Lol. Okay, eat what's on your picture 3x a day and see how much calcium and protein (and fiber and vitamins) you're really getting. And also see how hungry you are.

You will be good on cals tho.

>>10593314
>calorie-dense
doesn't make a meal unhealthy if your daily expenditure makes use of the calories
>devoid of real nutrient
oh really, tell me please more above these "real" nutrients
>devoid of fiber
wrong, bun contains dietary fiber, salad too, tomatoes too
>and cheap
refer to >>10593259

>>10593251
Here in Poland, fastfood is rather expensive. Not as expensive as good restaurants but majority is cheaper. Eg most of burger places are cheaper or as expensive as McDonald, even though it has much worse quality.

It's unhealthy because it's badly balanced for sale of taste.

>>10593318
It's way too few vegetables and bread is completely unnecessary. Fried red meat is not too healthy too.

>>10593314
>The fact that it's calorie-dense
so?

>devoid of real nutrients
false

>devoid of fiber
Not having fibre does not make something unhealthy, but also false.

>and cheap
This is the main issue.

yea why the fuck is everything that hits my dopamine receptors hard as fuck unhealthy as fuck too?

I eat raw meat, sometimes fermented, sometimes not. I feel better now than when I used to cook it first, tastes better too.

>>10593241
It's salty and we love salt
>>10593261
Too much sodium
>>10593287
Salt
>>10593339
Salt

>>10593342
There's absolutely nothing unhealthy about salt. You need salt or you'll develop hyponatremia.

>>10593326
>oh really, tell me please more above these "real" nutrients
Vitamins

Pic: big Mac, medium fries, and a medium drink
Half a day's worth of cals, minimal nutrients.

>>10593348
>There's absolutely nothing unhealthy about iron. You need iron or you'll develop hypoferremia
Why don't you ingest a long pole of iron then

>>10593355
Hardly counts as devoid of nutrients. Your picture clearly states it has basically a shitload of nutrients. A shitload of cals, but that doesn't make it "unhealthy". If you're about to go dig a pool in your garden, it's about the best thing you could eat for lunch.

>>10593355
Seems to meet at least 20% daily recommended allowance of the micronutrients listed. That's hardly "devoid" and it's hardly "unhealthy" even. Just don't eat nothing but big mac meals.

>>10593358
1) Iron poles are not bioavailable
2) If they were that would be far too much iron, are you stupid?

Are you really comparing the salt you'd get from a burger to the iron you'd get from a long pole of iron in terms of unhealthiness?

>>10593370
No, the iron pole thing was a joke to ridicule your dumb assumption that just because you can get hypo-whatever-emia from something, ingesting too much of it is healthy.

>>10593366
If you supplement the non-nutrient-dense food with nutrient-dense food then you're fine, yes. But most people don't. And that's why we consider the non-nutrient-dense stuff unhealthy and the new stuff healthy.

>>10593372
Exactly where did I or anyone else say that eating "too much" salt is healthy?

>>10593373
>bluepill
hamburgers are healthy
>purplepill
hamburgers are healthy if you know when to eat them
>redpill
hamburgers are unhealthy for dumb amerimutts

>>10593374
saying
>There's absolutely nothing unhealthy about salt.
as a reply to a post saying that these foods contain too much salt
If you eat a hamburger and eat foods that are salt-free for the rest of the day, I guess it's OK, but it's basically impossible.

>>10593373
>>10593366
and the nutrient-dense stuff healthy.
Not "new" stuff in last sentence

>>10593373
If you eat nothing but vegetables you can have trouble getting enough calories too, among other things. Calories are a nutrient too. When people say "nutrient dense" they usually mean they nutrients people tend not to get enough of. If you eat burgers all day you'll obviously be short of nutrients that aren't found enough in those foods.

>>10593381
By what logic to hamburgers have too much salt?

>but it's basically impossible.
Jesus christ, only if you're the filthiest of amerifats. I don't typically have salt with anything besides my dinner, and snacks when I have them.

>>10593390
refer to this picture >>10593355 to see that the humburger makes more than a half of your daily sodium intake alone.
Reminder there is NaCl even in basic tap water.
Reminder the physiological concentration of NaCl in eukaryotic cells (animals and plants e.g. what you eat) is 1% of mass.

>>10593386
Okay, but modern society generally has a problem with consuming mostly empty calories, so let's consider the calorie-dense stuff with little nutrients to be unhealthy, aight?

>>10593396
That's not a hamburger it's a full meal. McDonalds put salt on a beef patty and the fries. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. How much salt can a meal have before it's "too much"?

>>10593241
Where the doctors at

Summoning doctors to this thread

>>10593241
Rapes lepton sensitivity, increases insulin resistance by spiking blood sugar constantly, the type of bread they use compresses in your stomach unlike potatoes or other better sources of carbs, the cheese is loaded with sugar as are all the sauces, the vegetables are low quality and you’re drinking 300 calorie sodas and eating 200-400 calorie fries loaded with sodium and hydrogenated oils. Whatever daily vitamin intake it satisfies is negated by the massive amount of saturated fats and how many calories you just ingested. Most people then eat two more full meals throughout the day which puts them well over daily calorie needs and controbutes to rapid weight gain. Over the course of many months you are eating 400+ calories in surplus and slowly packing on weight you will never lose.
>>10593363
giga brainlet

>>10593415
>That's not a hamburger it's a full meal.
They rarely put these statistics on "full meals" around my parts. source?

>>10593241
Unironically, it is because the companies paid scientists to perform studies in order to make it that way. Even the size and shape of M&Ms was specifically tailored to make you want to eat more of them.

>>10593430
>giga brainlet
so a normal sized brain?

>>10593430
giga brainlet

>>10593415
>How much salt can a meal have before it's "too much"?

It depends on how much your body can process at one time, your current sodium levels, and the amount you had in the previous meal.

>>10593432
The post with the pic literally says it's for a full big mac meal.

>>10593241
magic

>>10593435
>>10593436
Most likely as bad as a double brainlet.

>>10593440
it literally says NUTRITION CALCULATOR dude what the fuck

>>10593444
nice get but shit post

>>10593451
Could be worse.

most of bad things in hamburger reside in bun and sauce...

and this whole balanced vs junk food pic is really good - orange juice vs orange flavored sugar water - looks similar but you know which is healthy

>>10593437
Exactly. So a full meal having 50% you daily allowance of sodium isn't especially "unhealthy". It's only unhealthy if combined with everything else you have eaten you get too much salt.

>>10593339

We evolved in an environment were sugar and salt were rare. As result, both are super-tasty to us because you qould rarely if ever find big concentrations of it.

>>10593445

Imagine caring about what you eat and dying of cancer at 30.
Imagine caring about what you eat and dying of cancer at 40.
Imagine caring about what you eat and dying of cancer at 50.
Imagine caring about what you eat and dying of cancer at 60.
And now imagine dying at 50 and not eating hamburgers every single day. Who won now? I bet you faggots don't even smoke.

>>10593463
Imagine being autistic enough to make this picture

>>10593471
I don't have to imagine my dude.

>>10593475
Good for you.

>>10593436
Fast food is actually good if you eat exactly your daily kcal requirements, go ahead and test that for me and then try to lose weight and watch what happens. Make sure to get blood work done before and after its exactly like eating a normal diet of home cooked meals.

>>10593485
tanks fren : DD

>>10593486
I don't see why it would turn out that bad. So long as you ate the right cals and your other meals made up for any major nutrient deficiencies.

>>10593486
if you eat refined sugar, fat, and white bread almost exclusively? calories are only the fuel -you need lots more variety to survive

>>10593506
Why don’t you just look on google scholar at all the nutrition studies that have been done on high fat, high sugar diets?

>>10593241
SALT
>SALT
SALT
>SALT
SALT
>SALT
SALT

>>10593459
>eat salt straight from shaker
>tastes horrible

How do you explain that then, huh?

>>10593512
Why would eating fast food for dinner most days constitute a "high fat, high sugar diet"?

>>10593520
Salt was never that rare. And it's certainly important to make sure humans don't drink seawater when their thirsty. A little salt is nice. A lot is gross.

>>10593363
lolwow

>>10593523
>Salt was never that rare.
Dependent on inhabitants proximity to salt.
ALSO:
Prior to industrialization, it was extremely expensive and labor-intensive to harvest the mass quantities of salt necessary for food preservation and seasoning. This made salt an extremely valuable commodity. Entire economies were based on salt production and trade.
>https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/edible-innovations/salt5.htm

>>10593526
cuck

>>10593521
think about the average americans sugar and fat intake, consider how dense these meals are in both nutrients and then ask yourself that question again.

>>10593538
>think about the average americans sugar and fat intake
I'd rather not

>>10593530
>Dependent on inhabitants proximity to salt.
I heard year and years ago it was thought that humans brains evolved in regions where they lived close to the sea and had access to lots of fats that are used in modern human brains. I expect most mammals have a disgust reaction to drinking salt water.

>>10593538
Why should that matter? The implication was eating a fast food dinner every day for a prolonged period would make someone significantly unhealthy. The average american eats like utter shit.

>>10593575
I expect most mammals have a disgust reaction to
I sure do

>>10593251
>God tier tasty salads
no such thing.
if you had said soup i would have given you a pass

>>10593593
If I pay €10-14 for a Salad in my city I'll usually get something pretty spectacular in my book.

Processed food is bad and fastfood is as processed as it gets.
Eat "natural" things that haven't been through a machine, vegstables and fruit are good, meat in reasonable doses too.

>>10593318
you can tell this drawing was made by a conservashit

>>10593600
yes goy it was made by coservashits!

>>10593261
literally everything.

Processed foods are garbage.

>>10593241

They're unhealthy but taste good because your body wants more energy for a very low amount of effort to secure survival.
That's why fat rich foods and carb rich foods are so satisfying to eat.

Processed foods are also more satiafying to eat in quantity because the processing is already done by someone else, your body just has to take everything in, as opposed to chewing, then turning and churning to extract a few nutrients.

Fast food is a combination of these two

>>10593241
Because your brain is wired to reward you for eating foods high in fat an sugar because those things were slim pickings way back when our ancestors were semi-arboreal bug and fruit eaters.
Unfortunately in the modern world, those things aren't as hard to get your hands on as they were so you can just keep pushing that whopper button turning into a disgusting flabby fatty fat cake.

>>10593397
No. I don't care about generalities and statistics, I understand how to eat properly.
Hamburgers are not inherently unhealthy, but having an unbalanced diet IS.

You're basically trying to sell a lie to try to protect people from themselves. It's not your responsibility to take care of people's food intakes. It's everyone's responsibility to themselves.

>>10593523
>Salt was never that rare.
It used to literally be worth its weight in gold. Unless you live on the coast near the equator or not in a dried up endorheic basin salt is a pain in the ass to get.

>>10593731
Refined salt was rare. Saltwater, not so much.

>>10593731
Nobody would bother eating if it was that expensive. People can get enough sodium from normal food, surprisingly many cultures lived near completely without salt, and adding it virtually to all food may be an even recent thing. The likely point of the slavic greeting of salt and bread was to get the natives addicted to salt, so that they wanted more. (To those not adapted to it, salt tastes disgusting.)

>how much salt is too much?

As much as it makes you bloated and gain weight. You can easily lose weight by eating little sodium and drinking enough water.

>>10593731
Nobody would bother eating if it was that expensive. People can get enough sodium from normal food, surprisingly many cultures lived completely without salt, and adding it virtually to all food may be an even recent thing. The likely point of the slavic greeting of salt and bread was to get the natives addicted to salt, so that they wanted more. (To those not adapted to it, salt tastes disgusting.)

>how much salt is too much?

As much as it makes you bloated and gain weight. You can easily lose weight by eating little sodium and drinking enough water.

>>10593318

Lettuce used in burgers (iceberg) is nutritionally void.
A slice of tomato isn't gonna net you much nutrition.
Red meat literally kills you, far better sources of protein available.
White bread is empty fast release cards.
Only Americans have 'soda' with every meal. Drink water.
Chips (or 'fries') are potato yes, but literally cooked in fat. Even if vegetable fats are used it's insanely calorie dense.

>>10593241
Any food that tastes good is labeled junk
Any food that tastes bad is labeled as "health" food

idiots buy into the marketing

>>10593241
Look up the bliss point

>>10593827
None of these things are bad for you. It's all about daily macronutrient ratios.

>>10593523
imagine living your life not even knowing the basics of history or science because they don't agreee with your worldview and you ignore them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_March

>>10593834
carrots taste good. oranges taste good. brussel sprouts taste good.

>>10593318
The burger is fine, it's the 800 calories of fried salted potatoes and the 500 calories of sugar water. Of you eat a regular Wendy's burger with no fries and a water you'd be fine.

>>10594651
have you seen what they pump into that meat? no thanks!

>>10593762
It's not like salt is a fantastic preservative.
You're literally arguing with established historical fact.
The salt trade was a huge economical powerhouse all through antiquity.

>>10593241
It's not unhealthy. It's just too much of a good thing.

>>10593355
The reason it's nutrients are low compared to the total calories because it has a sugary drink, not because burgers and fries are intrinsically lacking in nutrients. Go back to your David Avocado Wolfe facebook group.

>>10593318
This.
Even fries are a good source of sodium and potassium if you're deficient. People who bitch about muh fast food exceed their caloric intake and snack all the time. If you moderated what you are, and limited yourself to 2, perhaps 3 meals a day, you would be fine.
t. Too poor to afford any food on my own and need to depend on others.

>>10595044
Also, I don't eat fast food. If I could afford it, I would.

>>10593827
Putting soda in scare quotes? Making sure to emphasize that you called them chips instead of fries? That's a big yikes from me bro.

>>10593827
Calorie dense is a good thing if you're malnourished, brainlet.

>>10594680
>It's not like salt is a fantastic preservative.
Yes, it is. That's not what my point is. A preservative is not as precious to make it worth gold.

>You're literally arguing with established historical fact.

It's a huge exagerration, as I said, many cultures didn't use salt at all. Some people in the jungle still don't use it to this day. (or at least until recently they didn't)

>The salt trade was a huge economical powerhouse all through antiquity.

So was the trade with spices, or a ton of other things. The physiological need for salt is hugely exagerrated, it's more a kind of addiction than anything else, the body is losing it so much because people eat that much. The body can keep sodium loss in mgs/ day when necessary.

>>10595044
>Even fries are a good source of sodium
Oh yes, for all the Americans deficient in sodium, of course.

>>10593355
>half a day
Kek, go out at least once in your life.

>>10593241
Fat and and polysaccarides were important when access to food was low and people needed to be on the move all the time.

They add hydrogen peroxide to the hamburger meat.

>>10593241
Your body prioritises being able to run at all over running well. So it really likes energy dense stuff like chips that can give you an entire days worth of energy.
Although honestly, when I only eat fatty foods and bread for a day or two, I really build up this urge to eat something different, which I interpret as my body screaming for nutrients. So I don't know that the body doesn't want healthy food at all.

>>10595489
I don't eat many things with salt in it and have transient hypotension from low sodium.
The people are the problem, not the food in question.

>>10593241
if you eat clean and then go back to junk food the junk food tastes like shit. I think the chemical additives only taste good if thats all your taste buds are used to

>>10593251
Your reasoning is retarded; food can also be cheap as healthy.

>>10593241
healthy food is a meme,

well prepared home cooked meal is actual healthy food will always taste better than junk food

>>10593241
High in fat and sodium, which your body thinks is tasty.

>>10593326

>>10593468
>Ameridolt """logic""""

>>10593486
>Daily diets are only about how many calories you eat
I'm loving it™

>>10594644
That's just your average """'red pilled""" zoomer /pol/ idiot.

>>10595075
But barely anywhere in the western world malnutrition is still an issue, rather we desperately try to maintain the eating habits and diet of our peasant ancestors from when food was scarce and >95% of people were dirt poor farmers, living in squalor.

>>10593326
most people DON'T make use of the calories, anon, that's the point, it's too much for most people. also there isn't enough vegetables in that meal, a leaf of lettuce and a single sliced tomato is not enough to justify how much calories you're putting in.

>>10593348
hardly anybody in a modern, western country is at risk of that. you'd be shocked how much salt is actually in most processed foods. also too much salt does horrible things to you.

>>10593241
Junk food does not taste better than healthy food.
It's just easier to make.

>>10597355
yes everyone who is uneducated on the history of food/spices is automatically a rightwing nazi, this further supports why communism is the right choice.

it's times like these that I clap, well done.

>>10593241
fat tastes good.
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