/sci/ - Science & Math

Orbulon needn't rank them, for they art all easy.

>>10590314
Shouldn't the hardest ones be suicide tier?

>>10590318
>CS in good
>with a lot of math in great
Whew, that was close. Thanks for validating me.

>>10590314
Incelneers and physicfags seething

>>10590377
>Philosophy Unbelievable tier
kek

>>10590389
How many philosophy books have you read? Memes don't count.

>>10590377
>philosophy
C'mon edgelord chill

>>10590389
>>10590406
>S E E T H I N G


I saw it coming. Stay mad, brainlets.

>>10590389
Unbelievably STUPID, haha

>>10590401
You don't need a philosophy major to read a philosophy book

I guarantee none of you would have an easy time in philosophy.

Here you go.

>>10590377
Give me examples of meme versus non-meme engineering majors

>>10590425
>t retard who thinks philosophy is difficult

>>10590434
if it was easy, you'd be doing it.

>>10590429
>Political Science over CS and Dentistry
Why?

>>10590439
im not going to waste my money on credits i dont need and have no interest in you fucking infant

>>10590454
Because fuck dentists

>>10590454
t. concerned CS/Pre-Dentistry double major
>>10590456
you have no interest because you're a moron

>>10590462
>if you dont share my interests youre dumb
kys woman

>>10590471
How is it possible for someone who claims to be intelligent to have no interest in the study of general and fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language? Philosophy literally means love of wisdom. You're a retard.

>>10590497
I'M PICKLE RICK!

>unbelievable tier
my major
>suicide tier
every other major

>>10590423
So you're the kind of guy who has read Meditations and now thinks he understands reality. Pathetic.

>>10590318

>Engineering subjects in God tier

Hahahahahahahaha

>>10590425

My undergraduate was Philosophy and Classics and I'm doing a postgraduate in maths I feel so validated

>>10590425
It's an easy subject, you basically just have to learn how to suck the cock of your professors in the way they like because lots of philosophy is subjective and each professor wants a specific interpretation.

The rest is just basic logic. Not really special by any means.

>>10590497
kys, if you didnt settle all your questions with those before high school youre just pathetic

>>10590522
LET ME TELL YOU HOW YOUR MAJOR WORKS!!!

>>10590530
how did you "settle" those questions then?

>>10590508
Only people who don't understand philosophy think Richard and Mortimer is a deep examination of nihilism.

>>10590530
*You* should kill your self if you think those questions aren’t the most important questions that can be asked.

>>10590522
According to test scores for every exam, it's one of the hardest subjects by far.

>>10590539
>Richard and Mortimer
It's Rick and Morty, retard.

>>10590432
>meme engineering majors
Mechatronics, Biomedical
>non-meme engineering majors
Mechanical, Electrical

>>10590543
>acording to test scores
The prof can give whatever score he wants

>>10590497
You don't have any questions about those things though.

>>10590533
Not that guy, but a friend of mine who started giving lectures in some international event before even having a bachelor's degree told me this is basically how it works, combined with name recognition because like half his family is well known in the country. Getting the degree is sucking dick and having like 120 IQ can get you top grades. Actually having a successful career afterwards is what matters. Even a PhD isn't regarded as anything much by him.

>>10590318
>mech engi
>god tier
fuck off

>>10590549

EE-major here!

Philosophy is hard as fuck. Just open any book that isn't Plato or the stoics and try to make sense of even the first page. I guarantee you it's not easy.

Unbelievable tier: theology, physics, philosophy of science
God tier: astronomy, chemistry, math, classics
Great: computer science, engineering, biology, medicine, earth and space science
Good: anything else that isn't cucked by wokeness or marxism
Shit: anything else that is (so pretty much everything)

>>10590522
That's honestly what I did, however I'm not a philosophy major and haven't taken any of the courses restricted to majors only. I have a buddy who is a philosophy professor and they do some crazy shit in higher level courses, like they aren't too different from a mathematical proof. Hell, one of my dads old philosophy textbooks had a chapter on probability theory.

>>10590552
>not that guy
why do people even try this

>>10590314
Generally the hardest majors are problem solving/math centric sciences, engineering, and mathematics. This is followed by core sciences that don't involve math. This is followed by social sciences, business, finance, and the harder vocations. Then non-art humanities and the easier vocations. Then arts. Then stuff like gender studies or what have you.

>>10590522
>>10590552
>>10590561
Let me give you a screen shot, I guess.

>>10590425
Why is music history in two different places?

>>10590551
stop projecting your low power brain onto other people

>>10590567
One minute flat baybee.

>>10590567
>Let me photoshop a screenshot, I guess

>>10590572
Do you remember what Socrates says regarding potential philosophers and why they would have to be selected out of the larger population?

>>10590318
>Economy food
Economics is fucking worthless though, it's just mental maturation for autists.

>>10590583
>all that in one minute
ok

>>10590554
Do any of those links have any actual data available to download by chance?

>>10590511
based

>>10590327
>CIS with lots of math
It just means that you were originally EE, but switched to CS after barely getting through Differential Equations and Linear Algebra and didn't want to spend the next two years using both of the above for every home work assignment.

>>10590318
>Biology
>great
What about specialists? In particular microbiology.

>>10590559
omg I'm pre-meme I also want to be a midwife

>>10590425
i took a couple upper div philosophy classes when I was still in undergrad and they were unironically some of the easiest I had in my entire schooling, on par with the retarded freshmen gen eds they make you take. philosophags are all just larping brainlets

>>10590603
https://www.ets.org/s/gre/pdf/gre_table4_extended.pdf

>>10590539
I know right? Why can't people enjoy things that aren't entertaining.

>>10590611
I'll let you know I aced those, but I didn't want to be using them for the rest of my assignments, that is correct.
Sometimes I regret being so lazy, but this shit is a lot more fun and it still makes good money. Too bad my masters is math again.

>>10590626
>here's my anecdote to go against all available data in existence
woah I guess philosophy is for retards, this guy says he took some classes and that he thought that they were easy and even used some buzzwords. I guess that's that.

>>10590439
eating my own shit would be pretty easy to pull off and yet somehow I never do it, very strange

>>10590641
>n-n-none of you would have an easy time in philosophy
>hey I did
>s-s-shut up no one asked you
keep on seething

unironically why do i never see neuroscience mentioned here? is it just under biology?

>>10590554
Quantitative is the only one that matters

>>10590641
>all available data in existence
Post some

>>10590658
Just believe me, bro.

>>10590654

Shut up you autist

>>10590630
I was projecting a bit, unsurprisingly CS requires a lot more coding than EE, after changing my major I added an extra year to my grad date--but I would have fucked up all the higher level engineering courses and need to retake them anyway so I still suspect I saved time. Barely got a C in differential.

>>10590665
He's right you know.
/lit/ exists if you want to be smart but worthless

>>10590626

I bet you didn't though

>>10590560

Advanced Logic in philosophy is very difficult

>>10590672
>he said something that goes against my preconceptions, he must be lying
whatever helps you sleep at night

Not any of you guys arguing, but philosophy shits on everything that's not higher math and physics

>>10590658
>>10590663
It has been posted in this thread

>>10590677
It actually was a logic textbook, like from the 70's. I'm not sure if the class was advanced or just regular, as my dad took it as an elective, though I think it was most likely the basic one as it was mostly stuff like conditional probability/Bayes Theorem and all of that.

I was still surprised to see that pop up though.

>>10590677
How is it different than mathematical logic courses?

>>10590314

>>10590722
Accurate if mine = math

>>10590720
From a quick Google search, it seems to be the same, maybe chopped up differently depending on the professor, I guess. It seems to go up to second order logic at worst.

>>10590734
Why do philosophy majors get their own version? Why not just make them take the equivalent math course?

>>10590560
>they do some crazy shit in higher level courses, like they aren't too different from a mathematical proof
Example?

>>10590742
Unironically because they're up their own ass, I think. I don't think it's the math guys that are the problem, they're sharing a lot of courses with computer guys without problems.

>>10590318
Shouldn't something ordered by difficulty have the hardest subjects at the bottom?
Where something really difficult is suicide tier, whereas something easy is unbelievable.

>>10590746
A lot of math comes from philosophy because those two were basically synonymous just a few centuries ago. A lot of logic especially originated from philosophy, so they're still keeping it today.
I can't see why they still have it, but I'm not into it, so what do I know.

>>10590754
>guys
Sexism is a predictor for low intelligence.

>>10590772
Sorry, mom.

>>10590772

Is it though

>>10590754

Well that's clearly a reasoned response. Why are you so bitter?

>>10590775
>implying mommies don't browse /sci/
>>10590803
this is /sci/ so to admit that specifically physics and math don't dominate everything is not allowed. Philosophy on /sci/ is like a Jew in Nazi Germany. It's what built them and they persecute it.

>>10590720

Mathematical Logic is concerned primarily with deductive logic. Logic in Philosophy is broader and focuses on the application of logic to wider areas of reasoning. It looks at Deductive, Inductive and Abductive logic.

>>10590318
fpbp

>>10590734

>from a quick Google search here is my well informed position because I am smart

lol

>>10590314

>>10590818
It was to explicitly explain that it's an uninformed guess, you mong.

>>10590814
>Inductive and Abductive logic.
Not logic

>>10590772
What evidence do you have for that claim?

>>10590826
>>10590429
>>10590377
>>10590318
I guess most people beleive geneder studies to be the darkest pit of hoplessness.

>>10590799
Discrimination towards anything is a predictor for low intelligence. Judging a book by its cover is inherently idiotic.

>Unbelievable tier
Major I study, sister field
>God tier
Majors that uses a lot of results from what I study
>Great tier
Majors that are adjacent to those in God tier
>Good tier
>Meh tier
>Shit tier
>Suicide tier
Everything else

>>10590830

Yes it is

>>10590831
If you make judgments with no information, you are a moron and would fail in any area of science/mathematics/business.

>>10590839
Bruh what about if a wolf shows up and shit?

>>10590827

>uninformed guesses
>on a science and mathematics board

Learn when not to say anything and your life will be better.

>>10590848
Biggest brain. You win the internet argument.

>>10590839

Is discrimination towards unhygienic people a predictor of low intelligence?

Retard.

>>10590847
you equate the other sex to a hungry wild apex predator that could try to kill you?
>>10590852
That is information. The person doesn't take care of theirself.

>>10590856

So I can discriminate against someone if I have information that would allow me to deduce that interaction with them would not be advantageous to me?

>>10590856
That's a fair comparison to make, yes.

>>10590863
Who is it fair to? Can you unpack the full equation?

>>10590860
Of course, but what information on the individual person are you referring to? A hungry drooling animal that is stalking you, like a wolf, you have the information especially if you know about the behavior of wolves whe hungry or angry etc..

>>10590813
>people are bullying me for being an annoying loser oy vey it’s like annudah Shoah
would you people just give it a rest?

>>10590868
woman=predator
It's not that complicated, senpai.

am I an idiot for doing Comp Sci with a minor in Cybersecurity?

>>10590843
No it’s isn’t

>>10590876
You are: >>10590425

>>10590878
You made a grammatical error. You lose.

>>10590314
This is a ranking by minimum difficulty to graduate. Not by difficulty of the subject material itself when studied properly and with great effort, because 99% of subjects are difficult if you work hard and perform at the highest level possible in them.

>>10590880
fuck

>>10590876
No, that's huge money if you're good at it. A lot of firms are laughably behind when it comes to security, and they're waking up, so they're very hungry for it.

>>10590554
>highest growth from starting salary to mid-career salary
>not the highest mid-career salary
>no indication of the growth from their mid-career salary to their peak salary
Doesn't that just mean philosophy majors are really underpaid in the beginning of their careers?

>>10590902
It means philosophy majors who go to secondary school (read law) make far more money than ones who don't. So much so that they offset the median salary.

>>10590425
>>10590627
>solid-state physics to the right of the (arbitrary) "barrier of intelligence"
>Q+V mean of 313
>chemical engineering and aerospace engineering to the left of the (arbitrary) "barrier of intelligence"
>Q+V mean of 313

>>10590902
I went to the source data and put this together.
>>10590908
If you're going to law school, wouldn't you be better off doing something like political science? Then you can get one of those cushy Judge jobs and make real money

>>10590902
They are, but that's the case for most majors, especially outside of STEM, and especially in humanities. Lawyers make a lot of money later in their careers. Many lawyers are philosophy undergraduates. It's also important to remember that engineers work 50 hour weeks regularly for that increased salary. Many people do not want to do that.

>>10590923
>anything with a barrier of intelligence
>anything but masturbatory trash
You shouldn't be surprised.

>>10590876
>minor in Cybersecurity
Yes, you are

>>10590937
It becomes a problem when you look at overall career earnings though. If you do a rough calculation of 10 years at starting, 10 years at median, 10 years at peak (mid career +50%), then philosophy isn't a great major if salary is your primary motivation and you are decent with math.

>>10590991
Chemical Engineering is so high because of petroleum. The chemical engineers who. aren't working with oil companies are not. making as much.
Computer Engineering could be due to the fact that few companies like that exist and the are all located in expensive areas. Computer Science companies are concentrated in San Francisco Bay area and Seattle, two of the most expensive places in the world.
Economics is the most popular major at Harvard and probably other well connected, respected schools, and obviously they will have high salaries no matter what.

>>10591008
I don't see your point. It's median salary, so, for example, chemical engineering salaries would only be heavily influenced by petroleum salaries if petroleum jobs were the bulk of that major's jobs. And if that's the case, then it is a high paying field overall.

Same with the other majors you mentioned.

Hell, philosophy is even worse than Chemical Engineering. There's a $74,200 salary difference between the 75th percentile ($127,000/year) and the 25th percentile ($52,800) median mid-career salaries, just $200 away from being the worst and implying there's very few people in that field actually making the big bucks.

Chemical Engineering has a $55,700 difference between the 75th percentile ($143,000/year) and the 25th percentile ($87,300) median mid-career salaries, meaning the top people still make a shit ton of money but the average person is pretty close

>>10591041
I'm not taking about philosophy at all silly. it's not a good choice if you want to be employed.

>>10590314
Unbelievable tier:
Pure Math
Physics

God Tier
Applied Math
Electrical/Chemical/Mechnical Engineering
Medicine
Law

Great Tier:
Computer Science
Philosophy
Biology
Chemistry

Good Tier:
Accounting
Finance
Economics

Meh Tier:
Political Science
History

Shit Tier:
Education
Management
English

Suicide:
Gender/X Studies

>>10590844
Holy shit based

>>10590429
Meming hard aren’t you

>>10592388
Is it meming or memeing?

>>10590318
what if its computer science with lot of physics?

>>10590884
>quantitative econ
kek'd yeah this is pretty accurate

>>10592512
CS with alot of physics, how?

>>10592618
this uni offers engineer title instead of licentiate and they really put emphasis on it, so right now besides normal programming, data structures and algorithms/math, we're having normal physics, contemporary physics and use of IT in experiments and metrology

>>10590429
>physics more math than math
almost fell for this bait chart

>>10590318
>separating econometrics and "economy"
What

>>10590377
>Philosophy

Are yinz trying to correlate majors with eventual careers?
English theoretically leads to creation of writing, whether it be scripts, books, news, or reports.
Theater could lead to acting on TV or in film.

Are they retarded majors? Most of the time. I don't think people should bash those who have a vested interest in them and are also intelligent people who don't rely solely on the information they learn in their undergrad coursework. A lot of the shit learned in humanities provides a mediocre foundation for networking and jumping into the field, which is by far the most important part for getting meaningful and gainful employment.

>>10590318
>accounting above marketing
Will never be true and I say this as a marketingfag who regrets my field and is going back to school for a different degree

>>10590314

i'm not so sure about chemistry being god-tier. i see stories about chemistry PhDs not being able to find jobs, chemistry bachelors making $40,000 a year in the slim chance they can find a job

>>10594721
they're ranking them by difficulty, even then chemistry is nowhere near as hard as aerospace engineering or theoretical computer science.

>>10594721
We're talking purely about difficulty of completing the major in this thread. Nothing else. Hence my chart is the most accurate. >>10590884

>>10594711
>neuroscience
what does that even mean? neuroscience is psychology-tier unless you are a licensed neurologist which is not the same thing

neuroscience = works at mcdonalds, doctor = doesnt work at mcdonalds

>>10594738
Probably referring to the actual study of neurons, which is a research role. Definitely makes sense to have it on the same level as medical and pharmacology, whether it should be that high is anyone's debate.

Also, this is a troll ranking, considering that comp sci is on the very bottom. Please disregard it.

>>10590884
This is kind of retarded and you are ranking things in a way that makes absolutely no sense other than Engineering good and everything else bad because you don't understand it.

>>10594747
It makes complete sense. The hardest subjects are those in which you have to create working prototypes on a short timeline. These kinds of courses will give you very real chances of getting a 0, and can easily consume upwards of 40 hours in a week as a single class.

The next hardest courses are those where the student pool is so competitive that you will fall flat during curving unless you study for insane hours to memorize things before the test.

Then regular hard sciences and difficult problems follow.

>everything else bad because you don't understand it.
This is not a ranking of good or bad. This is not a ranking of intelligence, and it is not a ranking of difficulty of understanding the subject material.

It's a ranking of how difficult it is to graduate as that major. Read the fucking OP. You are not in the thread you think you are in.

>>10590602
Literally inspect element

>>10594752
You're just positing what you already believe to be the case as the natural conclusion of an assumption you interpolated into the OP. There is no reason to agree with you or even debate what you're saying. Projects with subjective grades creating useless programs or devices will never be as difficult as math intensive majors.

>>10594760
The grades are only partially subjective for those kinds of projects. There is a precise rubric of tasks that have to be completed by whatever device or program was assigned as the project. Often, if you have an error in your program or machine, it will cause a catastrophic failure and cause you to fail all of those criteria. This can make you lose 50-100% of the grade.

Tell me, mathfag. If you fail to get a question correct on an exam, does that bring the exam grade down to a 50%, how about a 0%?

If you mess up a minus sign, does that make your entire proof invalid, and worth 0% credit?

Generally, math is much more forgiving of small errors and gives partial credit. Often, project based engineering courses can and WILL give 0's.

>>10590319
Based Orbulon