/sci/ - Science & Math

> Faster-than-light communication is impossible.

you never know

Bump.

>>10579646
I agree.

This list should be fixed.

>correct and incomplete

Why do you care? Why do you want to change everyones mind? You know it wont help. Your post does nothing but create more pessimism. Differential brainlets are everywhere, whether they know it or not. And they are important. The person who manufactured your phone might think earth is flat, all scientists are satan worshipers and CERN is a shrine, the moon landing and space are fake and Stephen Hawking sacrificed his ability to move for satan. It doesnt make a difference. If you think people will fall in line because it makes sense and is empirically backed then you are wrong. People believe what they want to. But does that mean they dont serve a purpose? They create a social cocoon. And we dont need everybody in STEM. We need running water and shieet. Chill out and do your work.
And stop posting again and again. This thread should be for science discussions, your shit is wasting thread space.

>>10580685
>thinking that incomplete and incorrect are contradictory
Are you colored?

>>10580685
>thinking that incomplete and correct are contradictory
Are you colored?

>>10580685
Axioms to be considered correct until proven incorrect

>>10580685
Just never post on this board again.

>>10580741
When it come to theories of physics, yes they're contradictory. They describe how the universe works. If they fail to, they're not correct, and will eventually be replaced. Newtonian mechanics is just plain wrong.

>>10580746
We already know that both GR and QM will be replaced eventually, because they both fail to describe the universe completely.

>>10580673
If by fixed you mean stickied then yes.

>>10580752
Theories of physics are models that are either accurate or not. If they are accurate they are correct, but all known theories of physics are also known to be incomplete. See the Asimov essay in the OP.

>>10580752
A theory does not need to describe the whole universe to be correct, you nigger.

>Newtonian mechanics is just plain wrong
>>>/x/
And never come back.

>>10580789
>If they are accurate they are correct
I would disagree. At what degree of accuracy constitutes correctness? Lots of simplified models exist in engineering for example that are close enough, but certainly aren't the correct way to describe the underlying physics.

>>10580790
Please explain how Newtonian mechanics is correct when it is, literally, always wrong. If you mean it is accurate for most purposes, I would agree.

>>10580842
>oh hey I got an answer due to careful observation and studying models for why said process happens
>but its wrong because I am not analysing every single conceivable variable even though I have no way of analysing every single conceivable variable feasibly.

I like this post when I see it

The statement that a theory is correct if it yields accurate predictions is slippery slope fallacy.

>>10580752
If it wasn't for newtonian mechanics, 4chan wouldn't exist.

>>10580685
hypothetically, we have a world where humans subsist primarily on the milk from cows. No one knows why humans are able to subsist on a cow milk diet, but we know that hypothetically this must mean cows milk has properties that aids in human nourishment allowing it to be a staple and primary food source, due to studies of drinking cows milk compared to other animals milk and seeing that humans are the healthiest when drinking cows milk.

Hypotehically, at a later point, with more complex and rigorous methods for testing the properties of cows milk, we find that cows milk in fact has essential supplements a human needs in order to be sustained. Hypothetically, cows milk may have a protein a human needs in order to break down a vitamin from another food source properly that would aid in the synthesis healthy white blood cells. Later, humans develop methods to extract and reproduce more of the essential protein as a supplement for those who may not be able to obtain cows milk and thus no longer need it specifically.

Thus, part is is correct but incomplete because we dont know why the foodsource is needed but we know from evidence that it is in fact necessary for human sustenance. Part 2 is complete because know the mechanics behind why the food source has such a positive impact on human health.

HYPOTHETICALLY

>>10580985
>we know humans need water to live
>we know humans cant drink dirty ass dank water with bacteria n shit in it or theyll get sick
>nuh uh distilled water is super clean but bad because osmotic pressure leaches vitamins from your metabolism so youre wrong we can drink any water

this is what you sound like

>>10579646
>Approved vaccines are sufficiently safe and effective.
https://icandecide.org/government/FDA-Production-FOIA.pdf
>Upper respiratory and gastrointestinal infections were reported in about 55% and 40% of vaccinees respectively.
Oh yeah, real safe for a 1 year old to get.
>get MMR
>sick for 42 days
>still at risk for measles
>get second MMR
>sick for 42 days
>still at risk for measles
>pray and have faith in the magic medicine man's healing powers
>get measles anyways
>sick for 4-5 days
>fully immune for life
>blame anti-vaxxers

>>10579646
fuck u science is happened when someone poured money over the companies shit!

>>10579646

OP needs to grow a brain.

>Big Bang cosmology

>Energy-from-nothing generators wrongthink

>Likewise it is impossible to extract work from the zero-point energy of the vacuum

I propose that we stop accepting obviously contradictory statements as gospel truth. How can 'people' seriously accept these three points as true?

The fact that people like OP are living, breathing and, God forbid, in positions of power is a testament to the sad state of our civilization.

Modern 'fundamental' physics is a complete joke. It is not correct, it is not complete (the only thing OP got right) and needs to be seriously rethought. If 99% of the universe is unobserved/dark, then your theory isn't just incomplete, it's garbage. Especially when it contradicts itself.

>>10579646
>it is impossible to extract work from the zero-point energy of the vacuum.
Proof?

>>10582957
Zero-point energy is the energy that a particle has because it is localized, raising its kinetic energy due to momentum uncertainty. So it is the energy it has from being trapped relative to being free. To release this energy, you open (or expand) the trap. The problem is that you have to put in energy to build the trap in the first place. You can only get as much energy out as you put in (first law of thermo), but even then you'll have losses along the way (second law of thermo). Quantum field theory isn't magic.

You realize how bad things are when you actually have to say these things

>>10579646
good list

>>10582944
Is zoology garbage because it only describes 0,1% of what's in a lake? Sure, the rest is water and the zoologist doesn't even claim he can describe it, but REEEEEEEE

>>10582944
>If 99% of the universe is unobserved/dark, then your theory isn't just incomplete, it's garbage.
Dark matter is likely just a weakly interacting particle and dark energy has a simple effect, despite it making up so much of the universe energy budget. Just because you do not understand it does not mean it is garbage.

>Especially when it contradicts itself.

No contradiction as inflation does not happen under current conditions so there is no free energy. Conditions during big bang were different.

You are just another fool who does not understand the concept of a domain of validity. OP is written exactly for fools like you.

> OP is a faggot.

>>10582944
Please explain the contradiction. Current cosmology says nothing before the first fraction of a second, and everything after that is perfectly in line with all of physics.

>>10579646
>Faster-than-light communication is impossible.
It is though. But nothing useful can be transferred over entangled particles.

>>10583993
That's a correlation, not a communication.

>>10583180
>forgetting about us mycologist, botanist, and microbiologist that can help the zoologist describe 40% or more of a lake
I am offended, sir.

>>10583382
based
also have sex op

>>10579646
Earth is flat

>>10579646
Based facts poster

>>10583172
That list should be a common starting point for discussions, not a bog to get stuck in. Sadly, it's often the latter.