/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10561005

>>10561005
What do you mean by ‘science’?

>>10561005
It is the precursor of actual knowledge.

>>10561005
Science is just applied philosophy

>>10561069
this anon knows something

I dont believe it would be desu, science is about trial and error and being able to test your hypothesis while philosophy is almost strictly perspective and deep thinking.

no, it's not

>>10561005
Science is the how.
Philosophy is the why.

>>10561005
If philosophy is science, then mayonnaise is an instrument

Check mate, /sci/

Both philosophy and science to be valid must use valid logic.

Science is a method created in Western Philosophy which derives validity from logic and mathematics.

Conversely, Eastern Philosophy lacks these features.

When people talk about philosophy they make a false equivalence of these two evolutionary forms of philosophy. You have to be specific about which one.

Science validates philosophies, as a method. It also IN-validates them.

So far, science is validating diverse philosophies of different aspects of the physical world like Chemistry, Biology, Physics, and Mathematics.

Science is IN-validating diverse beliefs like acupuncture, life after death, and whether a small, ground-dwelling endangered mammal's skin, when dried and crushed to powder, can have any direct effect on the human body.

Science is a philosophy

>>10561238
Science comes from philosophy in some way, but science does not validate philosophy at all.
When we talk about certain things, certain and precise information we are talking about science, but philosophy is not that way. Science describes and philosphy thinks.
You can't validate metaphysics because they're relative.

>>10561005
Science is a philosophy.
Philosophy has epistemology and ontology, specific versions of which are science.

metaphysics is
>saying bullets can't hurt you

Philosophy is
>wondering if it is true

Science is
>loading a gun

>>10561005
No, but science is built upon philosophy. So everything is philosophy.

>>10561659
This is what an edgy teenager thinks. Any actual quantum physicist has to deal with the concept of metaphysic. “We can only be sure of this percentage given this information”. Metaphysics deal with how we know about anything a la matrix. This is valid and a part of every science since we cannot be 100% sure of anything.

Science is for exploring what is most likely to happen given the information we got.

Metaphysics is the question of how of how we can understand or try to understand the wholistic concepts of the everything.

To be a good scientist you need a basis on how reality seems most likely to work.

>>10563121
not him, but you're saying science needs metaphysics to exist?
science needs philosophy but not metaphysics.

While science explains nature, what happens in our universe, metaphysics consists on interpretations of our reality. Metaphysics has no basis at all, is subjective

>>10561005 The opposite is false, it's just a scientific paradigm (materialism/empiricism)

>>10561005
its not a science more the reason why we got science

i would say it's the art of higher thinking and the school of knowledge about the art

>>10561069
You don't actually need any philosophy to do science, though. Most science is just justifications to continue acting and thinking how you were already acting and thinking before you started thinking about it.

science and philosophy are both ways of attempting to articulate the perceived underlying forces that motivate phenomena. in that they have significantly different objects and methods they are different

>>10563156
All philosophy is based on certain metaphysics inherently.

>>10561005
Only analytical

>>10561005
Science is a subset of philosophy, it's original name is Empiricism.

>>10561005
It is the one true science!

>>10561005
Absolutely not.
Science IS philosophy.
But philosophy is not science and definitely not A science.

>>10561134
/thread

>>10563553
Philosophy is to science as physics is to chemistry.

>>10561007
Is that photoshopped? She looks like a rat.

>>10565766
Not really

>>10567065
Definitely not

>>10564547
Good point. Metaphysics also has a certain role in science. The role differ somewhat. Its complicated.

>>10561005
philosophy is more of a religion

>>10563156
Metaphysics is a little diffent than what you think it is

>>10567065
kek

>>10563156
>science needs metaphysics to exist
It definitely does.
>>10563084
Historically false and metaphysically unattractive.
>>10561069
Too vague a statement to be useful.
>>10563530
>its not a science more the reason why we got science
I agree. Science is something you get after a while when you do philosophy.
>>10563553
>You don't actually need any philosophy to do science
Maybe not, but you cannot do science without getting some philosophy after a while.

>>10563087
is this what they actually believe

>>10561005
science is a philosophy.
Science is the practice of reverse engineering applied to natural systems.

>>10561005
Philosophy gave birth to science. Know your own history.

>>10567306
Here. If the history of Western thought is too much for you, read this children's book:
>https://www.amazon.com/Sophies-World-History-Philosophy-Classics/dp/0374530718
There is a nice audiobook version, too--very well narrated--if you happen to be reading-impaired.

>>10567258
It’s true. Do you know what epistemology is?

>>10561220
>he doesn't play the mayonnaise

>>10561220
>mayonnaise is an instrument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5jnftBQw2U

Checkmate, atheist.

>382 years later and philosophy is still stuck at "cogito, ergo sum"

There is literally no valid, logically consistent and irrefutable proof that anything at all exists other than some entity capable of thinking. Philosophy is like castle with no foundation, just a big gaping hole of nothing "supporting" all of their reasoning and logic.

>>10561069
>>10561005
Philosophy consists of quantifying and/or asking questions about the nature of life, existence, reason, etc. At some point, a philosopher said "hmm, these little thought experiments are cool and stuff, but I want to actually apply them IRL" and then you got this guy who set out to see if he could prove things based on what his thought experiments produced as most likely (ie a hypothesis). At some point way down the line, philosophers who set out to prove their ideas realised that they had to come up with a way to prove, that without a doubt, that their findings were 100% true and verifiable, thus you have people like Bacon, Galileo, Copernicus, and probably many others, who aided in the creation of what we now call the "scientific method". The moment the scientific method was created, was the day that philosophers started branding themselves as scientists.

tldr, science wouldn't exist without philosophers, and in a way, all scientists are philosophers.

>>10567067
well, she has the phenotype.

>>10563156
>>10561659
Metaphysics in philosophy doesn't mean what you think it means, you retard.

>>10561005
In the traditional Greek usage of science it is. Contemporarily, however, science has been redefined in accordance with empirical investigation. Philosophy can can inform this latter definition of science with ontology, hypothetical possibility, and logic, but it isn't strictly limited to it. Some philosophy is science and contributes to scientific investigation, but not all philosophy does this. So, no, philosophy is not science. It can be scientific, but the actual empirical investigation performed by science is distinct from the methodology used in modern philosophy.

>>10565766
Empiricism is quantitative and Philosophy as a whole is qualitative

>>10568711
Both empiricism and philosophy is both quantitative and qualitative.

It would shatter the hardcore empiricist quants face if he understood that the only truly quantitative field is fucking mathematics.

>>10568766
I see so many bugmen antirationalists believing that they can do science without metaphysics. I wonder where these views come from.

>>10568773
>I wonder where these views come from

>>10561005

It's occasionally useful speculation and opinion that, once being proven or disproven to mirror reality, should be passed on or discarded accordingly.

Case in point: Marxism. Absolutely decimated by Zipf's Law. Time to trash that shit.

philosophy is what is thought today to be religion. Religion outweighs rational mind.

>>10561007
>>10567067

>>10568435
this

>>10568435
>382 years later and philosophy is still stuck at "cogito, ergo sum"

t. someone who has never read philosophy and doesn't even know what it is

>>10561005
Is there any philosophical theory that argues against cleaning your room and taking a bath every day?

>>10568976
Name one thing you can prove aside from that something exists which is capable of perception.
You can't

>>10568798
Probably

>>10561005
Descartes, a FRENCH philosopher literally invented real science.

>>10567222
Trips of veracity.

>>10561005
Yes. It is the science but it's often combined with logic in universities looking at the master programs available.

>>10561238
It still hasn't decisively invalidated acupuncture because when used to treat some ailments the acupuncture treated patients respond better than one who got placebo acupuncture. Though in some cases it can also be invalidated.

>>10570252
Okay but to be fair he's not *that* kind of French philosopher.

>>10567067
Of course it's shopped. /sci/ is the new /pol/.

No! I prefer to call philosophy theorizing, which can only become science when tangible results are achieved and can be repeated regardless of who is carrying it out. Opinions can differ in philosophy and theory and science can unite them via tangible results!