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so yeah, basically neuralink delivered a fucking crazy new way to implant a neural interface in your head. Using a robot with fucking lasers that stabs your brain with a needle ever second.

>>10552647

This won't be abused to horribly oppress people. Nope, no chance of that happening.

>>10552740
>you lived to see nerve stapling become a real thing

What a time to be alive.

What's the theoretical bandwidth, though?
Is the brain of the animal able to process the signal after adaptation?

>>10552746
Stellaris was right

>>10552746
At least we don't have to deal with bloody mindworms.

What do you do when your brain staples are outdated and not compatible with modern technology any more? Tech advances so fast it seems like it would always be stupid to get an implant like this because a better one is around the corner

>>10552755
pretty goddamn high.
>>10552766
Hope that there's a new technology that's compatible with what you already got. But hey maybe you could get a 200+ IQ.

>>10552798
You'll have 200+ IQ with which to regret getting the Brainstaple 2.3 when the Brainstaple 3.0 came out a month later

>>10552766

As the most obvious application of this is for old people who need it to control other parts of their body (say to make up for damaged nerves or muscles), it simply wouldn't be made "outdated" as is the case with modern pacemakers. If the device wears out it is completely replaced with a new one.

Also, the tech doesn't advance *that* fast. It takes at least ten years to bring these sorts of products to market, and the healthier peoples' organs are (say because they choose to take a surgery sooner rather than later) means they would be more receptive of a replacement surgery if it's needed. This is how every other sort of implant works, brain implants are no different.

>>10552836
The most obvious application of this is mind control

>>10552842
Using this method to "control" somebodies thoughts would be insanely complicated. We simply don't understand the functioning of the brain well enough to target specific thoughts or ideas or implant specific thoughts. At best they could try to stop specific emotions from forming but it would just be like giving somebody brain damage, not mind control.

>>10552803
Compared to you still having 120 IQ and still undecided between the new 3.0 and the next one that could come out at any moment. Waitfags are fucking retarded.

>>10552803
but there might be 300+ IQ people by then who could work out how to upgrade your Brainstaple 2.3 to BrainStaple 4.3 Extreme Edition with ultimate forwards compatibility.
>>10552836
or in the case of paraplegics, it's not like you're ever gonna need new nerves for your arms and legs when they're already useless.
>>10552842
eh... not really. So while the process is probably scalable to more electrodes, cutting open the skull is not. Second, good fucking luck actually controlling other people's minds. I mean maybe you could stimulate people's pleasure centers to get them what you want to do? But that would be pretty hard, you'd basically have a high functioning drug addict. OP here, I just had to lead in with the Francis E. Dee style rant though, I just had to

>>10552856
>become early adopter of Brainstaple 2.0 beta
>design flaw that isn't discovered until it's already installed lets chinese hackers take over your brain
no thanks

>>10552855
Pre-calibation, sure.

>>10552866
More like pain centers.
It's not hard to make people do whatever you want when you can torture them by remote

>>10552867
Newer versions are not free from faults. That's not an argument. By that logic you'd be waiting for eternity.

>>10552873
>waiting for eternity
That's equivalent to never getting one. Not a bug.

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>>10552855
It's actually pretty simple and was outlined in a letter from sometime around the late 60s to early 80s
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>>10552627
Oh is see the new Halo is out of beta.

>>10553218
Sam hyde is that you?

>>10554318
Francis E. Dec

It's pretty funny to see people here to freak out about mind control. Guys, this is simply a novel delivery system for thin recording electrodes. It's meant to attenuate the inflammation response that comes with implanting electrodes. This system is not fundamentally different from may others that exist, it only makes doing what we can already do a little easier (maybe).

Besides that, the data quality isn't great going by figure 9. Pic related shows multi-unit activity recorded with a conventional depth electrodes. If you compare this to fig 9B you can already tell by eye that this new system has pretty low SNR. It's also kinda sketchy that there's no formal SNR analysis in the paper at all. The main advantage that I can see is that this system delivers many electrodes at ranging depth in a short period of time. But I'm not sure if that justifies the price of this thing, since you need an entire fucking robot to operate it. I wouldn't buy it I had the money, but that's just me.

>>10552627
>RHESUS MACAQUES
It's all rodent data from what I read, no macaque data are shown in the article. Only a skull is shown to scale in supplementary fig 4.

>>10554354
Each electrode could contain a microelectrode array and some processing circuitry, so that all the noise that comes from long wires can be reduced. They don't do this right now because it's expensive to make silicon at a small scale.

>>10554386
Fair point I guess.

I'd at least have stuck some pre-amplifiers on there to show good SNR if I were the authors though. Just seems a little sloppy.

>>10554404
do you have any idea how hard it is to make tiny preamplifiers on MEMS devices?

>>10554429
Making this whole device couldn't have been easy either. The point of the paper is to present a ready-to-use device, it's not a proof of principle paper. If making the hardware to get good SNR is a problem then the device is useless.

>>10552758
DON'T say it

>>10554440
there's no reason to make the hardware to get a higher signal to noise ratio unless this batshit crazy approach works and scales. Do you have any idea how batshit crazy what they did is? You need to crawl before you can run. We know how to make electronics for amplification and digitization(lower noise with longer wires!), but dealing with biology is hard.
>>whole device couldn't have been easy either.
no, it is MUCH, MUCH harder and more expensive.
>>it's not a proof of principle paper
it sort of is. It demonstrates we can implant these flexible electrodes in the brain scalably. Making one off silicon MEMS is fucking expensive.

>>10555297
>implant these flexible electrodes
But anon, this in itself is not new at all. The novelty here is that these electrodes can now be implanted *at depth*. Preamplifiers for these things already exist.

>>10552758
>>10552798
Well you both better be bloody goddamned sure that this isn't going to lead to chaos. Because that is the belly of the beast.

>>10552627

Sewing machines are for dresses, not your brain dumb dumb.

>>10552647
>neuralink
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>10552627
>LOOK AT THE PICTURE. SEE the SKULL, the part of bone removed

I recognize this reference

>>10552627
So how long until I can enter the matrix? I want my cybersteak.

I don't get it. This doesn't seem connected at all with neuralink other than the method may be a partial conencetion to brain to computer interfaces.

Can someone smarter explain the implications for this, alot of the mind control shtick seems overly far fetched

>>10556655
There are no consequences for BCIs, at least not on the short term for humans. This is a delivery system for more dense recording arrays across disparate cortical areas. This will help basic research a lot since it makes it easier to record brain activity at multiple spread out locations, which isn't an easy thing to do. Moreover, electrodes often result in an immune response because they damage neural tissue. This system makes it easier to deliver thin electrodes that do not result in such a strong immune response, so that chronic recordings can be carried out.

In short: it's a tool for basic science, not a mind control device.

>>10552740
I take it you have read Eudeamon?

>>10552870
They'll get stupid and ineffective from the stress and anxiety. Better to keep them happy and non-vigilant, probably less likely to burn out if they enjoy the work.

>>10552842

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by the way, OP worded his post in such a manner where it's obvious he's from one of those two boards. We're now getting to the point where neurology is good enough where we can repair the brain without invasive surgery or destructive therapy (chemo), yet all people do is bitch and whine about it.

>>10555297
>Do you have any idea how batshit crazy what they did is?
What exactly makes this 'batshit crazy'?

>>10556571
It's dum dum, not dumb dumb, you dumb ESL shitter.