/sci/ - Science & Math

Most importantly there aren't multi-billion dollar corporations with a vested interest in making sure nobody believes it. The oil lobby spends insane amounts of money on disinformation and bribing politicians

>>10543425
The oil lobby is promoting Climate Change dumbass, it makes oil more valuable.

>>10543453
yeah that's why oil companies spent decades suppressing evidence of climate change

>>10543418
yes

>>10543418
Yes
>>10543453
That doesnt make any fucking sense

>>10543453
you are a special kind of slow

BLACK SCIENCE MAN BAD

>>10543453
>every politician who we have records of having taken campaign contributions from oil lobbyists also has voted against climate change related laws
hmmmm

Public: Wow, first images of a black hole, that's interesting.
Black asshole: LOOK AT ME! WHY ISN'T EVERYONE LOOKING AT ME? I'M BLACK SCIENCE GUY! LOOK AT ME!

>>10543524
>promote climate change to increase oil profits
>promote alternative energy over nuclear
>base load power totally dependent on fossil fuels
>bribe politicians not to restrict fossil fuel sales so profits can be realized
>trillions and trillions of profit
hmmmmmm

>>10543418
Doesn't this guy have anything more important to do than make political posts on Twitter?

>>10543850
is that a joke?

>>10543418
he's a retard but he's half right
the ones producing the most pollution since the start are big companies tho

>>10543564
god i fucking hate niggers

>>10543418
Why is nothing sacred? This is one of the most significant scientific achievements in decades, and yet everyone is still blathering about "Brexit this", "Trump that"; "climate change this", "conspiracy that; etc cetera.
What is wrong with everyone? Why does political discourse have be a puerile, continuous polemic against anything, even the most tangential.

>>10543455
false flag bro, open your third eye

>>10543453
kek

>>10543850
He's more of a celebrity than scientist, keeping his name in the news by making simple statements about complex issues is pretty much his job.

>>10543418
There is literally nothing wrong with warming the earth.

>>10543418

Observational studies are much different than ones trying to determine causation.

Hot take: carbon emissions are causing climate change AND the people who constantly publicly complain that "we need to reduce carbon emissions to stop climate change" are just blatant fucking liars, thieves and hypocrites who want more power and influence for themselves. The concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

Look at the UN climate change framework, which mandates that the US and EU send hundreds of billions of dollars to China as charity in spite of China being the world's largest economy. They will then use this money to protect the environment and reduce carbon emissions by building new generation coal power plants that emit 10% less carbon than the old coal power plants did. Please, somebody tune out all of the denialists and big oil shills and address THAT elephant in the room.

https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/climate-change-2/
https://unfccc.int/topics/climate-finance/the-big-picture/climate-finance-in-the-negotiations

>>10543418
>produced

Careful wording because the black hole pictures aren't real, they're computer generated. Scientists are lying in both scenarios.

He's right, but of course he couldn't take a moment to just enjoy the black hole photograph. He just wanted to be condescending and argumentative as usual.

>>10543943
>Ctrl+f China
>0 results

>>10543418
this fag still relevant?

>>10543935
You also can't point a bunch of telescopes at the concept of anthropogenic global warming and take a picture of it.

>>10543893
Climate change shouldn't even be a political belif in the first place

>>10543959
Because it's listed as one of the "developing country parties"

The greens are the countries entitled to climate development funds, $100 billion a year collected from the grey countries

>>10543978
How the fuck did Mexico end up on the bad side of that deal?

>>10543968
You can also observe certain gas' concentration in the athmosphere and their source with the aid of a suitable instrument, dumbass.
You conservative braindead retards have to make the same leaps in logic as sjws with their gender shit to justify """scientific""" arguments shilled by fucking oil companies.

>>10543968
1. Invent time travel.
2. Create deviant timeline.
3. Measure climate without humanity.
4. Bring satellite with you to take pictures.

>>10543897
>t. literal retard

>>10543978
China may have one of the largest economies from and absolute scale, but it's dogshit as far as standard of living is concerned. The paris agreement would stipulate that a certain percentage of clean energy would be required to be invested in by the developing countries in order to receive the funds. Secondly, think of this as reparations for, oh I don't know, making 3rd world places inhospitable? Global warming will basically destroy India and Africa at a certain point, those places will not be able to sustain human life, think about where the people would have to go to get away from the repeated droughts.

>>10543996
Considering that is physically and theoretically impossible, it makes your post meaningless and applicable neither physically or theoretically.
Nice try though, try hard.

>>10544052
I mainly use time travel as a rough heuristic to give people a sense of how impossible something actually is.

"It'd be easy with time travel" correlates pretty neatly with, "This was never going to be possible."

>>10544063
>I was only pretending!
Sure.

>>10543418
Neither of those statements are conclusive at all, so whatever. Science is starting to become religion

>>10544049
Well, glad that we've settled the matter that it's not actually about protecting the environment or curbing emissions, it's about reparations.

>>10543418
>>10543425
Many of us find it curious that the policy proposals for global warming are the same as those as proposed for global cooling, and the union of those are aligned perfectly as the venn of radical communist policy.

>>10543978
>Mexico not in the deal
What in the fuck? Gib infrastructure funds.

>>10543418
If they really cared they would support nuclear energy. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/04/nuclear-energy-is-50-better-than-solar-for-lifetime-co2-emissions.html

>>10544077
But muh radiation and meltdowns

>>10544075
>>10543985
Mexico joined the OECD in 1994. Sorry Jose, you're a first world country on paper now.

>>10544081
Y-yay.

>>10544080
Scary stuff

>>10543978
Being American: fuck giving them funds to cheat. Even after we stated we would be leaving the Paris Accords we're making a joke out of the EU in terms of emission reductions.

If someone figures out fusion power I'm all for selling reactors to these states, but beyond that...

/pol/ btfo

>>10543893
Because he's right. We need to do something about climate change and the longer we delay the worse it'll get. He's using a very important scientific discovery to promote what is fundamentally the most important decision humans have in front of them. It's a good use of public discourse.

>>10543481
BLACK SCIENCE MAN GOOD

>>10543453
>scaring people into not buying products that are powered by oil makes oil more valuable
ok

>>10543943
mild take at best, everyone knows government entities can be corrupt but that's not an excuse to not do anything. moreover the west created the beast that is china, you people just couldn't resist cheap manufacture of goods(most of the CO2 comes from this).

>>10543893

The achievement is worthless. Who cares about a black hole that isn't even in our galaxy? In what universe is this useful intelligence?

>>10544110

Laughs in artificial intelligence development. We won't have time to suffer from climate change at the rate things are moving.

>>10543425
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/shell-oil-climate-change-risks_us_5ac628d9e4b09ef3b24440d5
In 1998, Shell Predicted It Would Be Sued Over Climate Crisis Someday

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=new+york+sues+oil+companies

>>10544052
>>10544065
You're a special kind of retard, aren't you?

For someone who pretends to be science, he sure loves his fallacies. Jamming if this then that, argument from authority and strawmen, and implying looking at a pic is somehow equivalent to completely changing your lifestyle, oh and making it out like all scientists are one entity that should be wholely either believed or not believed, in a single argument is pretty impressive.

>>10543908
hes literally made millions (google says ~$5m) from all of his tv appearances, books, speeches etc. what was his actual thesis even about?

>>10543850
>>10543893
climate change is only "political" to anti-science luddites

>>10543978
wew, are uzbekistan and armenia really giving money away to fucking argentina for this shit? armenia can barely keep the lights on from chronic fuel shortages, meanwhile a trillion argentine cows are literally farting glaciers into the sea.

just another reason on a very long list of reasons to hate arg*ntina.

>>10543425
t. Conspiracy retard.

>>10543418
>Scientists:
>Scientists say
>According to scientists
You ever get past these words at the beginning of a paragraph you are functionally retarded.

No, the sun is the biggest factor when it comes to climate. Everything else is just a byproduct of the sun's interaction.

Climate change is real and is a good thing. It will make geopolitics more interesting

>>10543453
That makes 0 sense

>>10543453
>mom get the camera i posted it

>>10544049
>making 3rd world places inhospitable?

They're already inhospitable toward human life.

>>10545294
>>10544068

Think of the mass immigration to hospitable countries when water runs out. We're seeing it happening now in cape town, where are all the poor people going to go? It's going to be fucking nuts wherever you live in the world.

>>10543418
All worship le science! Le true religion!

>>10543418
Whatever your opinions on climate change this post is retarded beyond conception
1)What the fuck do black holes have to do with climate change?
2)It is the most blatant appeal to authority fallacy imaginable

>>10545476
He’s pointing out the acception at face value of scientific achievements by people for one thing and their rejection of it for another that conflicts with their pre-existing bias. Goddamn.

>>10544049
>China may have one of the largest economies from and absolute scale
So then why are we throwing money at them? Surely its social reform that is necessary?

>>10543897
>false flag bro, open your third eye
>anything that's counter-intuitive must be true

>>10544049
>>10545480
A country with a GDP of $14 trillion needs international aid to fight climate change.

Also they are going to use this aid money to build new coal power plants that emit slightly less carbon than existing coal power plants.

If you disagree with this you are an illiterate moron who works for the oil companies and your dangerous views endanger all life on Earth.

Having watched Tyson a few times, I can tell you he likes neither of these camps. Which is something I agree with, accepting or denying something at face value is dumb. My perspective on climate change is that the cause is broadly irrelevant, but we need to slow down and REVERSE the process since the future of our species requires our planet to be able support us, at least until we figure out how to leave it. Whether or not we're using organic compounds as an energy source also doesn't matter if we can figure out how to fix our atmosphere.

This video from years ago is just as much, if not more so, an image of a black hole as the black spot in this new still frame
>Stars orbiting Milky Way SM black hole
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ9IZF8Qdno

>>10545494
>Also they are going to use this aid money to build new coal power plants that emit slightly less carbon than existing coal power plants.
Yeah sure I guess we'll just trust the chinks on that one, even though I wouldn't trust them to boil a fucking egg without cutting corners

>>10543418
Isn't cooling the climate globally the same as warming it? Can't anyone see the contradiction in this?

>>10545503
I want to say this in the most polite way possible by 4chan standards but the point kinda went over your head. Even if the coal plants work to every most optimistic standard they're still by far the dirtiest, most heavily emitting heaps of shit possible, but the environmentalist movement is so fucking schizophrenic that it's actually congratulating them for building coal plants, like this thinkpiece about how based China is saving the world and destroying Drumpf by building a shitload of new coal plants

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/reports/2017/05/15/432141/everything-think-know-coal-china-wrong/

>>10545554
I'm aware you weren't in support of sending money to China for that purpose to begin with. I was just making a statement that, even if we were to assume building the coal plants would somehow work, the Chinese would be the last people I would trust to do it properly.

>>10545575
I see.

Now that you mention it, I suppose the most expedient solution would be to just continue building the exact same fucking coal boilers you have been for a century, slap a new sticker on them saying "next generation green technology" and order anyone manufacturing them to publish documents saying they reduce carbon emissions by 10%.

>>10545479
Except that the picture is literally only to be taken at face value because every single thing related to astrophysics is wholly irrelevant to humanity and anything we do on earth. If you tried to make policy changes or some shit based on the black hole picture there would be different reactions. Its a completely nonsensical comparison and only a literal nigger would make that argument.

>>10543564
Man it's just twitter he didn't write an article or publish a video... it's just him phoneposting on the toilet reminding people that the same scientific principles applied to render this image of a blackhole IS ALSO pointing to man-made climate change....

this issue has become so politicized it's just sickening

>>10543425
>insane amounts of money on disinformation and bribing politicians
No it isn't. It's investing a pityfully small amount of money on disinformation and reaps disproportionate results. People are just gullible and lap up everything that's sold to them as a "hidden truth". It makes people feel special.

>>10545523
Not necessarily, because if cooling started right now, it’d only be reversing the warming trend rather than actually cooling the world.

>>10545651
He wants people to ask further questions. Why does the black hole look like that? How did we take a picture of something that emits no light? How big is it? Etc.

>>10543418
Why is the debate about climate change? Pollution is undeniable and a far better bipartisan approach. Also easier to quantify in dollars

>>10545670
Pollution as a metric makes china/india/assorted shitholes even more obvious as a problem

>>10543978
What the fuck?
I did not vote Flappy the Penguine so Antarctican tax payer dollars could be spend on third world development programs.

>>10544096
>Being American: fuck giving them funds to cheat. Even after we stated we would be leaving the Paris Accords we're making a joke out of the EU in terms of emission reductions.
It's pretty easy to reduce emissions when you're producing literally twice the amound of CO2 per capita than other industrialized nations.

>>10543893

Because he's accurate in his assessment. You don't even need to go down the black hole route to show the absurdity behind anti-climate change. People will take scientists word on the color, wind speed and gas composition of Jupiter despite never experiencing it or doing the work themselves but they will question climate change of earth. This is despite the fact the science behind assessing Jupiter is the exact same as assessing Earth's climate.

>>10545667
people do ask questions like that
the amount of times I have read the second one is infuriating

>>10545700
see>>10545651 you retarded ape

Nobody is going to object to anything regarding Jupiter because unless its orbit is going to collide with earth or something it doesnt fucking matter and wont affect humans. There isnt talk of taxes and subsidiaries based on the color of Jupiter, thats why nobody gives a single fuck about it and takes the information at face value. Stop making retarded comparisons

>>10543425
>he doesnt think there's a carbon tax lobby
>he doesnt think there's a "green" tech lobby
cute

>>10545702
Yeah but the questions are from genuine interest and looking for answers, unlike climate skeptics.

>>10545723
>He wants people to ask further questions. Why does the black hole look like that? How did we take a picture of something that emits no light?
People do ask those questions
>Yeah but those questions don't count
nice moving the goalposts

>>10545664
This.
Politicians are worse than street hookers. Some of them can be bribed for as little as a couple of grands.

At least hookers are being honest about their business model

>>10545717
>green tech lobby
must be insanely powerful, given their funds

>>10545670
>>10545683
This, global warming is just a red herring.

Pollution, soil erosion and deforestation are actual threats to the current biosphere, while increasing global temperature and rising sea levels (projected at worst to be +5m) are adaptable conditions. However the former issues are not and need be undone either by hand or in time by nature itself.

>>10545717
I don't see how politicians being idiots on both sides have to do with climate science itself
The "green lobby" has peanuts compared to the fossil fuel interests and they're also the ones fueling anti nuclear paranoia.

>>10545755
this desu

>>10543418
Liberals love this straw man argument.

Not agreeing with the solution =\= Not agreeing with the scientific conclusion

>>10543418
ye my nigga right, fucking white people

>>10543418
We will never fix man-made climate change as long as China remains a country. Anybody who still preaches about climate change without mentioning china is pushing an agenda or looking for a government handout.

>>10545817
>without mentioning china
Most of them outright praise China because they make up the majority of carbon emissions now and they intend to continue increasing emissions until at least 2030 but they "have strong leadership" unlike the US.

>>10545832
fucking chonks, we should just nuke em

>>10545832
>leftists praise a communist dictatorship
shocker

>>10545850
hol up
>drains Aral sea
hol it right dere now
>causes largest nuclear meltdown in history
lemme correct the record
>orders all sparrows to be exterminated
nobody cares about the environment more than communists

>>10545716

Anon you just validated the entire issue concerning the absurdity of anti-climate change. The fact you even admitted that people will take science at face value unless it involves taxes and subsidiary highlights the core problem aka human interest specifically economic interest.

>>10545743
Just trying to get at the jist of what NDT is saying. It's a dumb and badly worded tweet, but climate change deniers are undoubtedly very frustrating to the scientific community.

>>10545865
>not caring about things that have 0 impact on you, direct or otherwise, is absurd behavior
nah. Not caring about irrelevant garbage (ie anything related to space, especially things lightyears away) is completely sensible.

THANKS DRUMPF

>>10545886
He's not really saying anything helpful or meaningful at all. Maybe he could have just not said anything and let us enjoy the black hole pic.

>>10545886
>scientific community
reddit post

>>10543418
i dont care, i just think this guy is a faggot. 'changing the risk', I swear

>>10545927
lmao this is some next-level fearmongering

Isn't this literally the definition of a non-sequitor?

>This is an image of a black hole
>Therefore global warming exists

>>10543893
>Most important scientific discovery
Lol wat. There is literally no new scientific content. All they did was stitch together some existing data to make a nice image. No one learned anything new about black holes from the image.

>>10546080
The biggest thing that came out of this from what I've seen is that it confirms to some extent the theories surrounding black holes and supports general relativity.

>>10546087
No. There is no new information in that image. Things like the relativistic doppler effect can be measured directly without their imaging algorithm. Literally all they did was make a figure.

>Response: "Oooh!"
more like
>Redditors: "Oooh!"

>>10545832
Pretty wild how china has a billion more people than the US. Not to mention the fact that a massive % of China's emissions are due to US outsourced manufacturing if emissions are caused by US companies creating goods for US consumers is it the US that's responsible for those emissions or China?

>>10545554
Tell me how efficient coal plants are worse than less efficient ones.

>>10546126
It's a good thing Gaia considers factors like that while She's deciding whether or not these specific gigatons of carbon will affect the climate

>>10546132
Because you're still expanding fucking coal, "clean coal" is dirtier than every single form of power generation EXCEPT regular coal

>>10546067
Maybe this 5 minute tweet is too complex for you;
People people can trust scientist to find proof that black holes exist, but they (Americans mostly) dismiss the same scientist when they tell then climate change is a thing because they want to live in ingnorance.

>>10546147
Non-sequitor. The existance of black holes has nothing to do with global warming

>>10546159
The thing they have in common: scientific consensus

>>10546164
Another thing they have common: They are primitive, speculative models that will certainly be replaced in the future.

>>10546159
Listen here you dense motherfucker, it's not about black holes having anything to do with climate change. It's about Americans purposefully ignoring scientific research and 2+2 logic when the conclusions are not something they want to hear.

>>10546140
Try again, just name off some of their alternatives to supply power to their billion inhabitants.
>natgas not an option
>renewables are increasing, but take time to make
>would you trust chinks with nuclear power?
They're doing the best with what they got.

>>10546176
Listen here you dense motherfucker, just because Person A tells you X and you believe, does not mean you need to believe Y from Person B on an unrelated point.

>>10543418

No. "Climate change science" isn't actually science. They are behaving very much unlike impartial, objective scientists and very much like old timey geocentric universers who want to burn anyone at the stake who says the Earth revolves around the sun.

>>10546200
>Believing people
>Not studying their research to see if it's grounded on logic
This is why you can't understand the tweet, you are basing your beliefs on cults of personality and assuming others are doing it as well

>>10546213
T. Anon's ass

>>10546217
Yes, the average person is an expert in non-linear differential equation modeling and reviews climate models on a regular basis.

>>10546213
Care to provide evidence?

>Scientists: We've produced the first-ever image of a supermassive black hole, 55-million light years away
>Reponse: Oooh!

>Statistics: Blacks disproportionately commit the most violent crime
>Response: That conflicts with what I want to be true, so it must be false

>>10546237
>Admits the average Joe doesn't have enough understanding of complex subjects to reach informed conclusions on their own
>Somehow still believes denialist opinions from some nutjob on Facebook or /pol/ are on equal grounds with renowned scientists, (aka the people who study natural sciences most of their life and to get a better understanding than average of the way the world acts).
I bet you would not be arguing against climate change if their conclusions were not that you have to stop polluting the environment and depleting the resources of the Earth as if they were infinite.

>>10546284
I'd probably believe them if they didn't keep telling us the ice caps are 8 years away from melting and all the polar bears are dying for the last 40 years.

>>10546198
See? They're doing their best, and the climate will recognize this and not change as a favor to them.

>>10546277
It isn't false, but the people that use this argument on 4chan conveniently choose to ignore the sociocultural context of this fact to start some sort of racist rant that concludes on "hang all them niggrs"

>>10546277
>here are the historical social why blacks are disproportionately more convicted and arrested
>this conflicts with what I want to be true

>>10546302
Which scientific body made that claim and when?

Anthropomorphic climate change is fake news. All part of "they're" plan for a one world government. Give them a thing the whole globe can fear and the global elite will take over

>>10546302
Could it be that governments have made hundred of changes these last few decades that have managed to slow down or reverse the damage done to the environment to some degree.
If you want an example of this check the ozone layer, it's been recovering from the damage done by aerosols after a few compounds were banned, had we not done that the warnings of its damage and destruction would have stayed the same, now it's no longer the case.

>>10543893
>This is one of the most significant scientific achievements in decades
damn, we have a picture of space hole. So incredible.

>/sci/ believes the 97% meme
I thought this was supposed to be the smart board

>>10546340
/X/

>>10543418
>logical fallacy
>"scientist"

>>10546348
>Monkey smells book
>It's not impressed

>>10546358
Not an argument

>>10546358
more like he smells a book on black holes and isn't impressed because he read the millions of books on black holes that came before

>>10546369
>Not obtaining sexual gratification from obtaining newly fresh pics of holes in the universe
Ashamed of you son

>>10546319
>>10546309
"No, there is no way genetics can cause deleterious emotional and rational behavior among a population"

"The fact that no black diaspora has ever successfully integrated into any modern civilization, anywhere on the surface of the earth just proves that they all need to import waaay more black people until they recognize how awesome they are"

>>10543453
>it makes oil more valuable

Stop posting affirmative action "scientist" who only got to his college for Caribbean ballroom dancing.

>>10546405
>Nobody:
>You: why are you ignoring genetics!
Here is the thing about genetics, they don't solve every problem you have with one part of the population, specially not when you need to ignore the parts of said population that are well adjusted and don't align with your theories for them to work.
First of all, genetics don't work in isolation, hence the saying nature vs nurture, environment plays a factor in the way people develop, genetics play another, they are two legs of the same creature.
>Diasporas
No group that stays separate from the rest (aka what happens with equal but separate policies, aka apartheid, aka nationalistic policies) will ever integrate if they are not allowed to, nor this integration will happen overnight. This theory of your that people can't integrate to foreign environments again, only works if you choose to ignore the places where integration has happened so much that is not even something that people notice. Example, Irish/Germans/russian people on America, ex black families in London that arrived 100 years ago, ex, Argentinians

>>10546465
Did you just quote a fucking Facebook meme at me, then cite London's black population as a model minority? Literally kill yourself.

>>10546126
>implying china doesn't profit from those companies existing within its borders

Why the fuck haven't we had a nuclear revolution yet?
If carbon emissions are so important to cut down surely nuclear power is the way to do it without sacrificing standards of living?

>>10546472
Get dabbed on genetics boy

>>10546489
Yes

>>10543967
no lol

>>10546489
Solar and wind good
Nuclear bad

>>10545111
>studies show
>studies suggest
>new research proves

>>10546686
NUCLEAR BAD!

>>10543418
the ice age ended and humans weren't around to help with that warming process. i'm tired of these b.s. tax grabs that fix nothing and make greedy political jerks rich because the voters were to stupid to know how this all works. the americans cant fix anything, all they can do is scam people and make money through war.

>>10543418
global warming was a term made up so they wouldn't get sued for saying pollution. have some balls and call it what it is and if they try and sue counter sue for fraud and public endangerment. for christ sake... al gore tried this shit and with what he was saying we should all be dead already.

>>10546802
>the americans cant fix anything, all they can do is scam people and make money through war.
That's a fair point, but why deny man-made climate change?

>>10546823
it's only part of the problem. the ocean contribute far more than people. why singularise it to humans when it's all life on the planet that is doing it.

>>10543911
Except, you know, mass human migration as coastal cities eventually are flooded. Or the damage to ecosystems already proceeding at a disastrous rate. Nope, nothing's wrong here and carbon dioxide is just food for plants.

>>10546901
Because we are raising beyond natural levels, causing a feedback loop.

>>10546901
>the ocean contribute far more than people
citation on that claim?

>>10546911
If you have to ask that question, you're out of your league. He's going to school you really easily.

Climate science is incredibly complicated. Simply comparing two numbers won't tell you what's going on.

>>10545782
Denialists are denying the scientific truth of anthropogenic global warming. Denialism seems to currently be more prevalent than anti-environmentalist opposition to proposed solutions. There's a lot of overlap between the two in people, but less in logic.

>>10546947
Considering he started participating in the thread by stating the cookie cutter denial argument that since glacial-interglacial cycles happen naturally as if that has disproves our rapidly accelerating warming and CO2 levels and complaining about muh taxes and making a sweeping vague statement with no sources about CO2 sources I don't see how I'm out of my league.

Is it warming again? I can't follow the party line so fast.

>>10546967
you left out methane gas which come from living and decomposing life. the levels today are though the roof. when it breaks down it still leaves hydrogen gas in the air. global warming has to deal with all greenhouse gases that are put into our atmosphere.

>>10543453

>>10546967
Well fine.

A basic thing about the oceans is that they can absorb CO2 and become acidic. That is, unless they warm up. When warmer, they cannot hold onto that CO2 and start emitting it. So they are re-emitting stuff humans already emitted. It's complicated.

>>10546995
t. been in a coma since 1980

>>10544077
Who the fuck doesn't want nuclear (besides the general public LARPing that it's the Manhattan Project)? Nuclear is superior to practically every other feasible method of generating energy we have at the moment.

>>10546489
oil lobby made sure everyone feared nuclear and supported wind and solar.

>>10547436
Every time there's a meltdown the media acts as if the world is ending.

>>10547563
I doubt it.
I think the same sleazy CEO psychos that bounce from major corporation to major corporation will work for literally anyone who pays them enough, whether its oil, agri, mining, weapons, or nuclear. I also don't think those same sleazy CEOs are above slagging industries they previously worked for to promote whatever industry they're working in now.

>>10547436
>WE WANT GREEN ENERGY
>ok, nuclear then
>NOOOOOOO

>>10543453

>>10546906
That's a feature not a bug

>>10543453
That would have the opposite effect since the demand for oil would decrease while its supply would remain the same therefore decreasing the value

>>10543453

>>10543418
Maybe if scientists actually went after the people and countries responsible, instead of middle class american families, they would be taken more seriously.

>>10543943
>the US and EU send hundreds of billions of dollars to China as charity
Canada, NZ, Iceland,and Australia asked to send also: and not just to China but to "needy" country, a huge number of which are Muslim and a huge overlapping number are African.
>...and WHAT happens if these countries, and their large populations were to somehow be on equal economic footing as the US and Europe?
>...and WHAT HAPPENS if these countries and their large populations were to somehow be on equal economic footing as the US and Europe??
>...and WHAT HAPPENS IF these countries and their large populations were to somehow be on equal economic footing as the US and Europe???

pls see:
>>10543978

>>10543985
wrong religion?

Neil smoke deGrasse Tyson

>>10548573
So you think the Paris Accord's non-binding suggestion to cut emissions (with an obligatory decades-long requirement to pour trillions into 3rd world dictatorships and Islamic theocracies) is...a bad idea?

>>10543418
Takes a great moment in space science to fucking evangelize about something which has been occurring since literally before the human species even existed. All the rest of the fucking anthropogenic climate change evangelists also completely ignore any positive climate shift before the industrial era of which there were two, both of which are greater than the current one, both of which happened in the last ten thousand years which itself is a mere fraction of the geological history of the planet. They ignore that abrupt warm spikes generally tend to be followed by either small or full sized ice ages and that pattern has continued since before the first human being opened their eyes for the first time. If fucking climate doomsday cultists hate humanity so much and think we're causing so much harm, I suggest they immediately and without delay kill themselves and save the planet one polluting human.

>>10548869
>global accountability is more bills

Time for a Halloween's End: Science Edition reboot?

>>10543418
Send complains to China and India fat black man

>>10549189
But social media is so "woke."

>>10543418

>>10543418
>We've produced the first-ever image of a black hole.
>Black science man: Wow!
>We've also concluded that iq scores and personality measurments vary among different population groups, and we believe them to be mostly heritable.
>Also Black Science Man: This conflicts with my beliefs, so it must be false.

This guy is so full of shit.

>>10543425
I worked for an oil company many years ago. They were buying up every type or renewable and electrical technology they could get their hands on with the intent of releasing the products when it became economically viable to do so. See BP for an example, rebranded to Beyond Petroleum.

>>10543418
I'm not a denier but this is retarded, obviously people are going to be more suspicious of discoveries that someone stands to benefit from.
fuck off black science man

>>10543418
Daily reminder that if first world stopped all emissions it would barely made a dent in overall effect.
Exterminate Savages.

>>10546309
>>10546465
oh, someone linked a reddit thread

>>10546906
>mass human migration as coastal cities eventually are flooded
the solution is always walls

>>10543453

>>10549728
You mean "Dependable Petroleum", right?

>>10543850
>political

>>10545850
>China's has the biggest economy in the world
China is capitalistic!
>China does something I dislike
CHINA MAN BAD AND GOMMUNIST

>>10543418
>Look at this thing we did
>Cool
>Look at this highly politicized topic in science where confirmation bias runs rampant and people who provide counter evidence are actively suppressed and shunned
>Hey I have some doubts about some of the info they reported

>>10550165
>>10545850
Deng threw all of the actual communism into the trash and then the country became a superpower overnight for some reason

Unfortunately the Chinese also kept the word "communist" stamped on everything

>>10546995
warming=majority opinion since 1950 retard

>>10548986
have you tried reading the scientific literature?

>>10549758
>US not first world
Based

>>10546352
>he believes 97% is a meme
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002
learn to read,mongoloid

>>10543943
>>10545494
>>10545583
>>10545832
>>10546140
>>10546489
>using "carbon" instead of "carbon dioxide"
please stop

>>10543418
What reproducible experiment does climate change propose?

>>10543418
Climate models are not representative of observed data, meaning the models are innately flawed. Furthermore, there has been no proposed solution that doesn't involved artificially hindering industrial and technological capacity of America.

I trust my university, and specifically the college of science, in their capacity.

Global warming is real, but there's not enough accurate data for such a consensus. It's all based on models that are proving to fail at assessing the situation.

>>10543418
Yes. is not even in question here.

>>10543453

>>10543564
deGrasse Tyson isn't black

SCIENTISTS: Everybody who commits professional sexual misconduct shout be fired !
RESPONSE: I don't like that , I think there should be an exception if you are not white.

>>10543418
What the fuck is this guy's problem?
>goes after boomers
>looks retarded when trying to put forth any complex argument
>rapes a girl while talking about astronomy

>>10543850
Define political

>>10551175
what is he?

>>10546126
Yeah buddy I'm sure it's just the USA buying what China creates. And if it weren't China it would be some other country, or conglomerate of smaller countries, creating the majority of imported goods.

Take your irrational nation-hate somewhere else.

>>10546465
>will never...nor will happen overnight
Looking at the past few years of social politics in the USA I'd say that groups will force segregate as a natural behavior, and nothing any philosophical nitwit says can change that.

>>10546340
weak bait

>>10543893
how can you lump climate change with all that bullshit that barely matters?

>fakes image of black hole
Hey that's pretty cool

>fakes global warming
Yeah I don't buy it

>>10551080
Your image is not representative of the models or the observed data, meaning it's innately flawed.

>>10550872
What part of climate change is not reproducible?

>>10551080
>Climate models are not representative of observed data, meaning the models are innately flawed.
But that's wrong.

>>10552962
>1980
Every time

>>10550537
>ignoring methane
Please stop.

>>10552964
>Dumb denier meme
Every time

>>10552964
Weird how you didn't care about this graph that started at 1979 >>10551080 but a graph that starts at the exact same time is somehow problematic.

Stunning News: Widely accepted historical climate data shows the planet has undergone massive temperature swings over hundreds of millions of years
or
"Earth likes being hot one epoch and cold the next and basically, you're fucking retarded"

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been

>>10549728
Of course, they know people will wise up eventually. It's a controlled fall, nothing more.

>>10553056
>Temperature change of a few degrees over hundreds of millions of years
>Temperature change of a few degrees over a few hundred years
Yes clearly these are the same thing, no need to look into what's causing them and what their effects are.

>>10553138
>he claims ice core data is correct
>he argues on the assumption that the temporal resolution is finite enough to prove himself correct
I think you're on the wrong board.