/sci/ - Science & Math

The drake equation ignores how evolution works.

But once self-propagating systems have attained global scale, two crucial differences emerge. The first difference is in the number of individuals from among which the "fittest" are selected. Self-prop systems sufficiently big and powerful to be plausible contenders for global dominance will probably number in the dozens, or possibly in the hundreds; they certainly will not number in the millions. With so few individuals from among which to select the "fittest," it seems safe to say that the process of natural selection will be inefficient in promoting the fitness for survival of the dominant global self-prop systems. It should also be noted that among biological organisms, species that consist of a relatively small number of large individuals are more vulnerable to extinction than species that consist of a large number of small individuals. Though the analogy between biological organisms and self-propagating systems of human beings is far from perfect, still the prospect for viability of a world-system based on the dominance of a few global self-prop systems does not look encouraging.

The second difference is that in the absence of rapid, worldwide transportation and communication, the breakdown or the destructive action of a small-scale self-prop system has only local repercussions. Outside the limited zone where such a self-prop system has been active there will be other self-prop systems among which the process of evolution through natural selection will continue. But where rapid, worldwide transportation and communication have led to the emergence of global self-prop systems, the breakdown or the destructive action of any one such system can shake the whole world-system. Consequently, in the process of trial and error that is evolution through natural selection, it is highly probable that after only a relatively small number of "trials" resulting in "errors," the world-system will break down or will be so severely disrupted that none of the world's larger or more complex self-prop systems will be able to survive. Thus, for such self-prop systems, the trial-and-error process comes to an end; evolution through natural selection cannot continue long enough to create global self-prop systems possessing the subtle and sophisticated mechanisms that prevent destructive internal competition within complex biological organisms.

Meanwhile, fierce competition among global self-prop systems will have led to such drastic and rapid alterations in the Earth's climate, the composition of its atmosphere, the chemistry of its oceans, and so forth, that the effect on the biosphere will be devastating. In Part IV of the present chapter we will carry this line of inquiry further: We will argue that if the development of the technological world-system is allowed to proceed to its logical conclusion, then in all probability the Earth will be left a dead planet-a planet on which nothing will remain alive except, maybe, some of the simplest organisms-certain bacteria, algae, etc.-that are capable of surviving under extreme conditions.

The theory we've outlined here provides a plausible explanation for the so-called Fermi Paradox. It is believed that there should be numerous planets on which technologically advanced civilizations have evolved, and which are not so remote from us that we could not by this time have detected their radio transmissions. The Fermi Paradox consists in the fact that our astronomers have never yet been able to detect any radio signals that seem to have originated from an intelligent extraterrestrial source.
According to Ray Kurzweil, one common explanation of the Fermi Paradox is "that a civilization may obliterate itself once it reaches radio capability." Kurzweil continues: "This explanation might be acceptable if we were talking about only a few such civilizations, but [if such civilizations have been numerous], it is not credible to believe that every one of them destroyed itself" Kurzweil would be right if the self-destruction of a civilization were merely a matter of chance. But there is nothing implausible about the foregoing explanation of the Fermi Paradox if there is a process common to all technologically advanced civilizations that consistently leads them to self-destruction. Here we've been arguing that there is such a process.

>>10546973
intelligent life is extremely rare and ftl travel doesnt exist
easy

>>10546973
the aliens take over our planet and then use time machines to rob and destroy the true messiah. we are all slaves that are brainwashed to believe we are free,

>>10546973
Life is common, but FTL is impossible, so economic self-interest prevents civilizations from mounting the massive effort to travel the stars. It is never a beneficial investment, for any generation, to be the one that takes up the burden. The "beneficiaries" who'd step foot on other star systems would always be generations far, far down the line in the future. And then, one day, they go extinct.

The communications silence is due to the inverse square law that decimates undirected EM signals and the sheer impossible luck required to pinpoint a directed signal at specific planets for appreciable durations at coinciding civilization lifespans.

>>10546973
>Give me some unconventional ones
So: "make up your own retarded bullshit"?
>>>/x/

>>10546973
Here's a solution:

Leftists and the existence of lower races.

Lower races would no doubt be a certainty on almost any planet that evolved a specific group of life that has the capacity to develop advanced civilizations, because such a planet would have many environments that would cause divergence in any one species. Leftism, which is a maladaptive genetic psychological trait, will inadvertently, as a group, influencing the politics and the institutions of said species, allowing dysgenics to occur via the mass migration of the lower races, causing a decrease in cognitive genetic potential, preventing the ability for any species to achieve space travel.

>>10547200
Just imagine this:

A man approaches you and makes you this lucrative offer: Give him 10 million dollars now, and your 64th generation descendents will get 1 trillion dollars worth of assets. Is it in your best interests to take up the offer?

>>10546973
Earth is full of niggers and aliens are racist.

>>10547236
Interesting

Life at our level is rare. The large (but not too large) and reasonably stable star, the planet big enough to maintain a magnetosphere but small enough to escape from, plenty of water but not so much it leaves us with no dry land, the oxygen catastrophe, a bountiful energy capital in the form of fossil fuels. Our planet seems to be result of a number of random events lining up in just the right way for our civilisation to exist.

Plus, space is a lot of work and there's not really anything up there that isn't already present down here. I can't see us venturing much beyond our comfortable little shell around this planet.

>>10546973
Second one is retarded
>aliens are there and are super intelligent but choose to remain hidden

There's actually alien life on every single planet and moon. We just haven't noticed each other through an extremely long series of coincidences

There's actually alien life on every single planet and moon. We just haven't noticed each other through an extremely long series of coincidences , like dust storms just happening to cover up their cities every time we take a picture

>>10546973
Remnant life from the warm bath era propagated and spread, but only one or a few now essentially one civilization capable of surviving that era did so, they then survived within at least our local cluster and eventually reached the final question.

The answer broke them or ascended them, and now all that remain in reality are some eccentric ones who enjoy playing god by seeding life on many planets and coming back in a few thousand to a million years to have a look at the results.

Using their perfected technology they destroy any civilization they come across, punishing those who tinker with their work most severely above all.

I got this idea from “All Tomorrows” by C. M. Kosemen, with a few modifications of course.

>>10546973
We are in the buttfuck nowhere shitole part of the galaxy and we are looking for signals not even for 100 years. Also signals get fucked by distance/background noise.

>>10546973
intelligent life creates perfection in 2D
2D waifus cause the roasties to stop giving birth
population size plummets though personal happiness is fine, therefore no one cares
waifus are the common thread across the universe

>>10547236
>import third-worlders for decades
>Studies now show that IQ scores in the West are dropping
>Experts: HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
You might be on to something

>>10546973
Parasitic Sub-Species and Empathy. The Parasites are Jews and all the Africans, Hispanics, etc, that are on welfare. Whites are naturally empathetic and help them, but it ends up killing them. The Great Filter is Jews, and Niggers.

>>10547236
Hey thats whats happening to us
>tfw we got the gayest extinction event
Nuclear war should have happened a long time ago

>>10547236
Fuck off poltard, the “lower races” are the human relatives that we killed off ages ago

>>10547702
Kill yourself subhuman

>>10547702
No other humans were killed off. They died because of climate change and being bred out of existence.

>>10546973
1. There is an impending catastrophe and the solar system and its victinity have been evacuated.

2. Stellar radiation or the neutrino flow are disruptive to advanced technology, so advanced aliens tend to keep out.

3. Living on planets is seen as primitive, like living in the jungle. Advanced societies live on spaceships.

4. The earth is a prison planet where people are kept to evolve with prisoners as the breeding stock, so that the evolution of immortal aliens doesn't cease. (I'm pretty sure I came up wtih this one)

5. We cannot tell an artificial star form a natural one. Advanced aliens are in fact everywhere around us.

6. Something about our solar system is recognized as obviously artificial, or the human presence is easily recognized. Since we don't reply, it's assumed we don't want to be contacted and our right to remain isolated is being respected.

>>10546973
>Humanity isnt interesting in the slightest

>>10546973
>Fermi paradox solutions
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

>>10546973
Civilizations require a social consensus of equality to prosper, however equality does not create merit or advancement. Factoring in r/K theory, equality would be a deficit to humans, but also a necessity for more complex social order.

Civilization could be a temporary state of complex life, and evolution has no direction, so it could potentially be cyclical.

IQ scores are already declining, and we have no serious form of space expansion. There's no reason to believe any civilization is capable of advancing beyond a phase of international egalitarianism.

>>10547999
>The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
wrong

>>10547044
Most plausible solution. Its entirely possible that humans are the only intelligent beings in the entire galaxy.

>>10547386
Yeah we kind of take for granted how we have giant oceans of super energetic liquid under ground.
Also, imagine if earth were just a little bit heavier, and you had to launch a Saturn V just to put Sputnik in orbit. There could be advanced civilizations that are trapped on their planets.

>>10546973
Plot twist: Mass suicide IS how we upload.

>>10546973
There are only a limited number of naturally-occurring souls on a given planet. Once this limit is reached or the supply depleted, without conquering new worlds to claim their supply, the PCs will be overtaken by NPCs and the civilization will quickly fall.

>>10548050
That statement is literally correct. That's not how you prove a negative.

>>10546973
>essentially immortal
Actually that's kind of a good point. Mastering biosphere manipulation would necessarily mean they understood enough science to get their species to survive for very long periods, but we don't know how long.

Uh-oh.

Fuck.

I just conceived of a morphic field solution.

>>10546973
Nobody survives past the point when something capable of killing everyone is within the grasp of everyone.

>>10547044
>intelligent life is extremely rare and ftl travel doesnt exist
>easy

There could be intelligent life on a million planets in our galaxy and this would still be a viable answer. Without ftl, we'd never find them.

>>10549293
FUCK. That's literally an echo of the thought I had.

Actually, your whole fermi paradox is stupidity. I should call it as stupidity paradox. There are millions of planets where life exists, and they are regularly visiting the planet earth, communicating. Still there are a lot of tribes which communicate with aliens - I should not use the word aliens, it is an abusive word. Even the universe is a family for us, no question of aliens, let’s not use those words. Understand, life exists in millions of planets in the universe. And they are continuously, regularly visiting the planet earth, giving information, receiving information, communication. Even taking people there, coming here for tour, transportation, tourism, educational tourism, medical tourism, all this is happening in a full fledged way. The so called civilized society does not want to see this truth, even if they get some information, evidence, they try to suppress it. Still there are many tribes who have a live connection with different planets and their lives. Surely many planets and those lives have found us, we found them, connections do exist. Maybe sooner or later we will discover tons of evidences.

Also fuck darwin, aliens genetically created and evolved us and some gave us new technology.

>>10547014
>The theory we've outlined here provides a plausible explanation for the so-called Fermi Paradox.
Sorry, I just don't like the "Great Filter", surely not every world would fall prey to the same fate.
And this specific scenario suffers from the fact that a space-faring race wouldn't LIKE losing their home world, but they wouldn't REQUIRE it, either.
Anyone capable of showing up here could surely survive the death of their home planet.

>there should be numerous planets on which technologically advanced civilizations have evolved, and which are not so remote from us that we could not by this time have detected their radio transmissions.
Sorry, but that's just wrong (and pointlessly wordy).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#We_are_not_listening_properly
> with a radio telescope as sensitive as the Arecibo Observatory, Earth's television and radio broadcasts would only be detectable at distances up to 0.3 light-years, less than 1/10 the distance to the nearest star.
...and then there's the inverse-square law.
There COULD be a planet broadcasting 100 times as loud as us orbiting every star in the sky, and we still wouldn't hear a thing.

>>10549359
Right, exactly.

I knew I wasn't evil for not creating a ton of alien life with Earth as a pseudo-random basis.

>>10547044
It _could_ go the exact opposite.
Now I doubt ftl is a thing, BUT...
If life is plentiful, most planets would still have no space-faring people.
Most stars are red dwarfs, and a planet orbiting a red dwarf in it's ultra-close Goldilocks zone would have a radically different environment.
Maybe the galaxy is chock full of warp drive starships, but the local space empire is run by people that wouldn't find Earth a comfortable environment.
If we're well inside their borders, we could be short on visitors because our local overlords are keeping interlopers out, but don't bother with us themselves.

>>10546973
There is a phase transition shift going on in the universe where intelligent life goes from non-existent to super frequent.

This happens because once the first intelligent life form is physically and ecologically possible on one world, many other worlds also hit those similar conditions.

Therefore, we see no one else because space is massive and intelligent life is extremely recent as a whole.

This is a variation of us being the first, but with the possibility of aliens still there as it's a stream. Once the stream opens, you get many space faring civilizations in short order.

At the very least, if you need to bullshit a space opera novel that should help you. Even though w/ space opera you can make up ancients that uplifted everybody or something too.

>>10549455
Yuck. Did too much spacing, I look stupid. I'll see myself out.

>>10547219
>So: "make up your own retarded bullshit"?
The great thing about the Fermi Paradox is it's all based on unknowns.
There's got to be a million plausible explanations.
There's almost 2 dozen on the Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Hypothetical_explanations_for_the_paradox

Here's one: Most intelligent species never develop the required level of engineering.
Look at cephalapods, or cetaceans.
Both remarkably intelligent, but neither will ever develop metallurgy, or (probably) any other tech that leads to space travel.
Remember Fermi was talking about not just people, but people so similar to us they could conquer the stars.

>>10547236
Most people are too stupid to develop aircraft, but anybody with $200 can fly to Orlando.

>>10549379
>>>/x/

>>10546990
If we assume consciousness is non-scarce with regard to an intelligent population, then we can readily infer that information (memes) will not be able to accumulate in a manner that makes them destructively self-propagating. Thus, the only real emergence we can expect is a highly cooperative system, where memes that can tolerate the existence of other memes is plausible.

Thus, if we assume the contradiction, that most people are unthinking organic portals/NPCs, then we can trivially infer that they are the meme itself, and therefore only cooperative NPCs remain. This turns the world into a constructive self-prop world where consciousness is maximized, at the cost of the resource necessary to sustain all cooperating systems. Thus, whether cooperation maximizes particular diversity or not, emergence is maintained at the level necessary to —

I'm a shill for morphic fields and you are alive.
>>10546993
That just argues for modular design. I was embedded with that principle from birth.

Computing efficiency directly negatively correlates with temperature. Most intelligent species live in the void away from gravity wells and heat where computation is the most efficient due to how cold it is. We are looking in the wrong places

>>10547007
...Riiiiight, I see now.

Technology, is a form of shared creativity. An extension of economic agents trading values. A money-based construct will only lead to some base level of happiness, in high correlation with the needs of a population, after which point it'll be impossible to derive further benefit through technology. From that point on, only a further exploration of creativity can have any meaning.

In other words, risk.

Try new things.

>>10549494
Aestivation. Everything sufficiently advanced enough is waiting until the universe has cooled enough to make their energy usage as efficient as possible.
Using energy now is the equivalent of drinking when you're a baby.

If you hold off until trillions of years into the future, a joule of energy can simulate a civilization for the entire lifetime of the human species

>>10547236

Based and infraredpilled.

>>10549368
>>10549435
>>10549455
Literally my thought was, "Oh shit, what if civilization itself is a time-invariant morphic field."

Thanks for literally confirming psychic resonance and experimentally proving that my consciousness is the most advanced in (this frame of) existence.

>>10547241
No because my chances of procreation are highly diminished

>>10549494
>We are looking in the wrong places
We aren't looking anywhere.

>>10546973
Unicellular life is relatively common in the universe, but multicellular life is very uncommon because of the endosymbiosis Great Filter required to create eukaryotes. Intelligent life is exceedingly rare after this because of the amazing amount of coincidences that need to line up in order for a species to become intelligent and then dominate their planet and the surrounding stellar neighborhood. Humans evolved to have a large, conscious brain, hands with thumbs, and the ability to run for extremely long distances because they're able to sweat. Dolphins are intelligent, but they will never invent metallurgy or any other advanced technology because they have no hands to work with anything.

This seems like the most likely explanation, but I've had other ideas related to this. Such as there being a rough limit on ~1 intelligent civilization per galaxy.

Another idea related to the previous is that, in the far future, each galaxy's civilization becomes so advanced that they basically become gods and can manipulate space and time, create their own universes, as well as destroy them. They use this power to go back in time and somehow mask their past fledgling civilization from other, more advanced civilizations from other galaxies so that they could become the gods that they already are in the future.

>>10546973
An advanced civilization eventually "digs too deep" scientifically and spiritually. Think of Moria from Lord of the Rings.

>>10547236
Yes, I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter

>>10547702
>Lower races

This is not how evolution works moron.

>>10547236
The best hypothesis so far.

>>10547236
>”If the nazis won, we’d be in space right now!”

>>10550728
>This is not how evolution works moron.
True, dat: evolution always ensures all branches of a cladistic tree are completely the same in all respects. Well, maybe a skin color here, a MAOA gene there, but no difference is possible that would hurt the professed feelings of a leftist. It's a law of Nature, no exceptions.

The other possibility is that you misunderstood completely the dictum that all branches of a cladistic tree are equally evolved because they had the same time interval in which to accumulate changes.

>>10547236
So the answer to the paradox is: niggers and Jews?

>>10546973
We have already observed alien activity but retarded astronomers keep dismissing it because they think it shouldn't exist.

>>10546973
I've always had a problem with using soft filters as the resolution for the fermi paradox.
It just assumes way to much about the psychology of alien life and assumes all of them are just shitty humans with a caricature of contemporary problems.

>>10549293
I remember reading about some african tribe that had two different kinds of ghosts. The souls of people who have lived and died, and the souls of those yet to be born.
I always thought it was a pretty interesting idea.

>>10550827
>muh political euclidean boogeymen

>>10547497
>We are in the buttfuck nowhere shitole part of the galaxy
Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_habitable_zone

>>10547236
This post is the truth.

>>10547702
Neanderthals were actually more intelligent than Sapiens niggers from Africa. Humanity would be exploring the galaxy right now if they were not killed off.

>>10547999
Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It is not proof of absence, tough.

>>10546973
I single race of Super advanced God Like alien life does exist. They monitor all other planets developing life in the solar system (similar to how we monitor isolated uncontacted tribes), choosing to leave it alone as long as it is no threat to them. However, as soon as a new civilisation reaches a level of technology that could allow them to compete in the near future they intervene and wipe the civilisation out entirely.

>>10550837
Yes

Virtual Reality is far easier to develop than ftl travel so most advanced civilizations all live in virtual reality.

>>10546973
There was no need for intelligent life to form else where. The smartest being on another planet maybe like insects or lizards.

>>10550963
Not a solution because such civilization lives in both virtual but also real reality. They would attempt to expand to other stars, if for nothing else then for fun.

>>10549658
>Another idea related to the previous is that, in the far future, each galaxy's civilization becomes so advanced that they basically become gods and can manipulate space and time, create their own universes, as well as destroy them. They use this power to go back in time and somehow mask their past fledgling civilization from other, more advanced civilizations from other galaxies so that they could become the gods that they already are in the future.
So we could actually currently be masked from other civilisations by our future selves? That's assuming we're the ones who become Gods obviously, which is kind of unlikely

>>10550960
Do I need to start a "race realist" thread to keep the /pol/acks out of the Fermi thread?

>>10546986
/thread.

>>10551167
>using quotes on race realist

>>10549222
>Its entirely possible that humans are the only intelligent beings in the entire galaxy.

Only ones in our neighborhood, maybe.
There are at least 100 billion stars in the galaxy.
Never mind FTL limitations, just assume we invent warp drive tomorrow.
Let's say we build a thousand starships to explore the galaxy.
(for reference, we don't have a thousand ships in all the world's navies combined).
Assuming our thousand Captain Kirks each explore two star systems a week, that's a hundred per year per ship, a hundred thousand systems a year in total.
It would take a decade to explore a million stars, a century to explore ten million, and a million years to explore the galaxy.
Other estimates put the number of stars as high as 400 billion.

The vast number of stars makes starfairing neighbors likely, but also means we're unlikely to bump into them.

>>10549359
>something capable of killing everyone is within the grasp of everyone.
>something capable of killing everyone
Like what?
We coudn't kill everyone on Earth even using every atom bomb we have.
Your idea is possible, but it's also possible warp drive gets invented before the "kill everyone" weapon is developed on some/most alien worlds.
You also can't assume the aliens are plural.
Some kind of hive-mind wouldn't be susceptible to this issue.

>>10550991
Maybe for the time being, but I'd like to believe that humans are able to overcome any of the obstacles or disasters they encounter, even if it takes several million years.

For example, in the case of nuclear war, the planet would be devasted for tens of thousands of years, but there would still be bands of humans rolling around, similar to prehistoric hunter-gatherer groups. This would set us back thousands of years, but eventually we would return to being an advanced civilization, given enough time.

>>10549455
>once the first intelligent life form is physically and ecologically possible on one world, many other worlds also hit those similar conditions.
Planets enjoy Goldilocks status for billions of years.
Our own ancestors were just starting to bang rocks together 2 million years ago.
Assuming space-faring species only exist for millions of years, while their homes support life for billions of years, it seems unlikely all intelligent life is synced that close.

>>10546973
They just haven't reached us. It's not because it's statistically probable that it's paradoxal to not see a positive result.
The paradox is a meme for the masses

>>10549658
>but multicellular life is very uncommon because of the endosymbiosis Great Filter required to create eukaryotes.
You don't even need a Great Filter there.
Even if every unicellular world spawns eukaryotes, and eventually complex life, the time frame still means most worlds are unicellular (at least those orbiting G class stars like the Sun).
Using Earth as a model, life may have begun as far back as 4 billion years ago.
It took about 3.5 billion years to reach the Cambrian Explosion, and we've only got another billion until the Sun's hot enough to preclude liquid water on the Earth's surface.
That means a 5 billion year window for life to exist, and it took 70% of that time for complex life to emerge.

>>10546973
Our technical possibilities stopped selection in mankind. This will ultimately lead to a collapse of ourselves if we do not implement selection processes on our own. But if we do this there will be many different approaches from different cultures which will ultimately lead to a world war. Add scarcening resources to this and you have your solution, doom

>>10549658
>Such as there being a rough limit on ~1 intelligent civilization per galaxy.
Please share your math. I'm reading: concept-concept-concept-concept-concept-NUMBER.

>>10551186

>>10550824
But that's true, we only went to space thanks to nazis in the first place

>>10551302
>evolution does not exist

Retarded

>>10551250
>They just haven't reached us.
Or maybe they have.
Let's say there's been a million visits to Earth by aliens with the intent of contacting any intelligent life here.
I'm not talking about the occasional fly-by that we might still not detect or recognize.
I'm not talking about stealthy visits to mutilate cattle or probe a few hillbillies.
No, a MILLION "take me to your leader" style visits.
The Earth has been here for 4.6 billion years.
Let's say we only count the post-Hadean era, that's still 4 billion years.
So a million visits would mean one every 4,000 years on average.
All of recorded history is only 6,000 years, so we can expect one, maybe two visits in all of recorded history.
So maybe one or two stories of a god descending from the skies is an actual alien visit, and that's the level of record I'd expect from a million attempts to contact us in person.

>The paradox is a meme for the masses
Agreed

>>10551306
>we only went to space thanks to nazis in the first place
That's like saying we wouldn't have the telephone without Bell, or the car without Benz.

>>10551308
>>evolution does not exist

>>10546973
>Give me some unconventional ones
OK, space travel requires reaction mass, and practical space travel probably uses interstellar gasses (ISM) for reaction mass, so you do't have to carry your own.
We're inside a 300 light-year "bubble" low density ISM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Bubble
Perhaps the bubble is the result of intelligent beings using up the local ISM long before we evolved, or maybe it's a natural phenomenon.
Either way, it could restrict local interstellar traffic.

>>10551332
Yes? It's possible that we wouldn't have them without them. If you change history anything can happen

>>10551282
This is just an idea I came up with, this has no basis in reality

>>10546973
We are the precursor species.

>>10546973
Aliens are right here pretending to be human.
Earth is like an intergalactic safari resort for aliens and it is protected, so aliens can have vacations or make documentary shows etc.

>>10551270
It's also possible that many of these worlds never have their own Cambrian Explosion, and thus have relatively simple, homogeneous life that would evolve much slower than if they had had their own Cambrian Explosion.

>>10549554
>this frame of
Wait if that's true...

Fuck, I can't consider a time theorem that conflicts with my own perception of time. If I can't feel time in this moment, then I'll never be able to feel it.

>>10546973
There is no Fermi paradox. Sapient life is exceedingly rare to evolve in the first place.

>>10547236
>/pol/tard shit

Racists get the sword.

>>10547241
No, because 1 trillion won't be worth shit due to inflation, plus, if there's an average birthrate of about 1.5 across each generation which is pretty fucking generous, it'll be split between over 180 billion people.

>implying aliens don't exist and aren't actively studying our relatively young civilization in secrecy

>>10552350
The only way that would happen is if nanites were to evolve for some reason. Otherwise, the shared composition of organic matter necessarily implies that diversity will steadily increase with time, until a rapid increase that builds a new layer of structure where steady increase recurs.

>>10547702
Some animals are more equal than others

>>10546973
I like the first one.

>>10546986
What do you mean?

>>10547236
Better solution:

Nationalism and the existence of psychopaths

Psychopathy and nationalism, maladaptive genetic psychological traits, combine to cause genocides and endless wars. With the advent of nuclear technology, ethnic warfare results in planetary nuclear winter and extinction of all life. Only thanks to based commies killing 10000 billion right-wingers have we managed to avoid the same fate.

>>10553025
Psychopaths are also extremely generous when afforded the opportunity to be. The enemy you're looking for is sociopaths.

>>10546973
The universe was too hot or otherwise unstable until recently so all life in the universe is new and hasn't had time to figure out space yet.

>>10553144
I've always believed we were among the cosmic seed civilizations for metaphysical reasons, but the more I think about the empirical evidence, the more I start to suspect that we really are in the first generation.

>>10546973
We are the ET. Dinosaurs were the dominant species on Earth and we came here to destroy them.

>>10553144
This is just wrong. The universe had all the conditions for habitable planets to form for about 10 billion years. Those first population stars lived short lives. And it only takes few million years to colonize an entire galaxy even at sublight speeds.

>>10553694
>And it only takes few million years to colonize an entire galaxy

>>10551350
>space travel requires reaction mass
Just build orbital solar collector installations around the home star and equip them with big MASERs to propel light ships.
If you sent out von neumann probes to start constructing these and spreading to other star systems you could have an interlinked solar-highway across the better part of the galactic-metropolitan area in a few million years.

>>10553694
Without population III stars being in abundance there isn't enough metalicity in the universe for advanced civilization to form.

>>10553726
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/409936/where-are-they/

Various schemes have been proposed for how intelligent species might colonize space. They might send out “manned” spaceships, which would establish colonies and “terraform” new planets, beginning with worlds in their own solar systems before moving on to more distant destinations. But much more likely, in my view, would be colonization by means of so-called von Neumann probes, named after the Hungarian-born prodigy John von Neumann, among whose many mathematical and scientific achievements was the concept of a “universal constructor,” or a self-replicating machine. A von Neumann probe would be an unmanned self-replicating spacecraft, controlled by artificial intelligence and capable of interstellar travel. A probe would land on a planet (or a moon or asteroid), where it would mine raw materials to create multiple replicas of itself, perhaps using advanced forms of nanotechnology. In a scenario proposed by Frank Tipler in 1981, replicas would then be launched in various directions, setting in motion a multiplying colonization wave. Our galaxy is about 100,000 light-years across. If a probe were capable of traveling at one-tenth the speed of light, every planet in the galaxy could thus be colonized within a couple of million years (allowing some time for each probe that lands on a resource site to set up the necessary infrastructure and produce daughter probes). If travel speed were limited to 1 percent of light speed, colonization might take 20 million years instead. The exact numbers do not matter much, because the timescales are at any rate very short compared with the astronomical ones on which the evolution of intelligent life occurs.

>>10552605
Like you can even lift one, let alone strike someone with it. Also we have gunz you little lefty faggot.

The final stage of a civilization's lifecycle comes when industrial manufacturing has reached the level that all basic and luxury needs are met automatically and just in time. At this point the species transforms itself entirely into kemono girls. Perfection being achieved, further development is not possible.

>>10546973
We are the most advanced species in our explorable universe.

>>10551210
>We coudn't kill everyone on Earth even using every atom bomb we have.
we could if we wanted to, look up salted nuclear warheads

>>10546973
Over time, some civilizations embrace science and abandon god, thus bringing his apocalyptic wrath upon them.
Those that behave stay feudalistic and stick to the scientific dogma of the church, and never develop radio communication or space travel (and get wiped out by nature (asteroid impacts), or maybe they too fail God's high expectations somehow and get otherwise apocalypsed by him).

>>10554875
Expansion into space is still entirely possible at this point. The paradox still stands.