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10545691 No.10545691 [Reply] [Original]

Is it true that this one girl is majorly responsible for the black hole image? I am a brainlet and never come to /sci/ but everything I see on social media says “she wrote the algorithm to create the image” and it seems like people are talking out of their ass. Enlighten me.

>> No.10545696

She lead the team (she still had one of the more important roles but she didnt do it by herself)

https://bhi.fas.harvard.edu/people/andrew-chael

>> No.10545713
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10545713

>>10545691
>>10545696
The second co-leader of the EHT imaging group is Kazunori Akiyama with the first being, Andrew Chael.

https://bhi.fas.harvard.edu/people/kazunori-akiyama

http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-haystack-first-image-black-hole-0410

Looks like MIT's social media twitter account didn't collaborate with MIT's own news office since in reality, Katie Bouman did not lead any team at all or was a leader at all.

The actual leaders were Kazunori Akiyama and Andrew Chael.

Notice how before this social media shilling on twitter, the MIT article only mentioned Katie Bouman once at the very end of the article.

http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-haystack-first-image-black-hole-0410

>The Haystack EHT team includes John Barrett, Roger Cappallo, Joseph Crowley, Mark Derome, Kevin Dudevoir, Michael Hecht, Lynn Matthews, Kotaro Moriyama, Michael Poirier, Alan Rogers, Chester Ruszczyk, Jason SooHoo, Don Sousa, Michael Titus, and Alan Whitney. Additional contributors were MIT alumni Daniel Palumbo, Katie Bouman, Lindy Blackburn, Sera Markoff, and Bill Freeman, a professor in MIT’s Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science.

How long before this MIT article written by MIT themselves gets taken down and rewritten to give Katie Bouman a whole paragraph to herself?

When will the mainstream media take responsibility for inaccurate reporting? Why is there such a glaring difference between one of MIT's twitter accounts versus their own press release?

Why were the 2 leaders: Kazunori Akiyama and Andrew Chael completely ignored by everybody else?

4 teams around the world.

American team was ked by Kazunori Akiyama and Andrew Chael.

Nowhere it is mentioned that Katie Bouman led the American team, just only these 2 males who were co leaders.

Where did this Katie Bouman was leader originate from? Even MIT's own news article doesn't mention this.

http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-haystack-first-image-black-hole-0410

>> No.10545720

>>10545691
>>10545696
>>10545713
http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-haystack-first-image-black-hole-0410

>Teams at both Haystack and Max Planck then began the painstaking process of “correlating” the data, identifying a range of problems at the different telescopes, fixing them, and rerunning the correlation, until the data could be rigorously verified. Only then were the data released to four separate teams around the world, each tasked with generating an image from the data using independent techniques.

>“It was the second week of June, and I remember I didn’t sleep the night before the data was released, to be sure I was prepared,” says Kazunori Akiyama, co-leader of the EHT imaging group and a postdoc working at Haystack.

>All four imaging teams previously tested their algorithms on other astrophysical objects, making sure that their techniques would produce an accurate visual representation of the radio data. When the files were released, Akiyama and his colleagues immediately ran the data through their respective algorithms. Importantly, each team did so independently of the others, to avoid any group bias in the results.

>“The first image our group produced was slightly messy, but we saw this ring-like emission, and I was so excited at that moment,” Akiyama remembers. “But simultaneously I was worried that maybe I was the only person getting that black hole image.”

>His concern was short-lived. Soon afterward all four teams met at the Black Hole Initiative at Harvard University to compare images, and found, with some relief, and much cheering and applause, that they all produced the same, lopsided, ring-like structure — the first direct images of a black hole.

Not even MIT's own press release mentions Katie Bouman as a leader or even a co-leader.

>> No.10545721

Tb h this is no different from when an academic supervisor takes all the media attention and credit for work that one of their phd students did. I believe this is wrong, of course, but this is what happens in academia.

>> No.10545724

>>10545720
Oh I did not know that. What the fuck who is behind this.

>> No.10545726

>>10545696
>She lead the team
no, she didnt.

>> No.10545727

>>10545721
she is not even from the astrophysics field

>> No.10545728

>>10545713
she lead the coding team

>> No.10545729

>>10545721
Thing is the whole project was a collaborative effort of hundreds of scientists on a global scale, it's not like it was just one research group in a university.
The idea that any one person should get all the credit is just stupid.

>> No.10545733

>>10545726
meant coding team>>10545727

>> No.10545740

>>10545691
>https://bhi.fas.harvard.edu/people/andrew-chael
^ the real MVP
>>10545691
Probably not, but DYOR
http://i.4cdn.org/sci/1554987981229.jpg

>> No.10545751

>>10545733
>>10545728
Funny because she neglects to mention any leadership position on her resume.

>> No.10545768

>>10545728
>>10545751
It's amazing, I've done more advanced stuff programming ipad apps in house to save my employers money. Her position and newfound fame are nepotistic in origin, if I had to guess.

>> No.10545783

>>10545768
She has the same college advisor for both her masters and PhD program.

I thought it was encouraged to go find a different advisor and different university for your PhD

>> No.10545789

>>10545729
she's going to get the Nobel prize, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it

>> No.10545795

>>10545783
It’s not a hard rule though

>> No.10545796

>>10545768
>nepotism
Her wikipedia page (lol) says she's from Purdue's university town. Could this be her father?
https://engineering.purdue.edu/~bouman/personal/ShortBio.htm

>> No.10545803

>>10545796
Oh, he literally has a "Katie" section on his homepage.

>> No.10545815

>>10545796
hahahaha nice. I wonder how many of his accolades are coattail-powered

>> No.10545818
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10545818

>>10545796
>>10545803

>> No.10545827

>>10545691
>social media
GTFO Faced-kook

>> No.10545842

>>10545691
she played a big role on 1 of 4 teams doing independent analysis. her phd was on improving these methods of analysis. so she probably played a big role

>KATIE LITERALLY IMAGED THE BLACK HOLE HERSELF IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT HER
no

>> No.10545860

>>10545691
She was a key figure yes, but in no way was she alone. So props to her, but american nu-bloggers are putting her on a pedestal for some reason, despite the effort was made by 4 teams and not just the one she was leading.

>> No.10545862

>>10545860
>She was a key figure yes
Has this been established?

>> No.10545869
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10545869

Don't you forget me.

>> No.10545870

>>10545862
Yes, but like others have mentioned, it was a team effort and plenty others contributed a lot to the discovery as well, if not more.

>> No.10545875

>>10545862
yes? she has multiple first author papers about the imaging and other non first author papers

but there are obviously other people contributing to it aswell see >>10545842

>> No.10545877

>>10545869
>old white man
lol who cares

>> No.10545880 [DELETED] 

>>10545691
prepare to get banned for that OP
The kike mods here are absolute fucktards
Her media coverage is super artifical and inflated because there is an agenda to push

>> No.10545888

>>10545870
>>10545875
Yeah, but what did she actually do? Reformat some data?

>> No.10545891

>>10545691
Here have a link to the algorithm she developed:
https://www.cv-foundation.org/openaccess/content_cvpr_2016/html/Bouman_Computational_Imaging_for_CVPR_2016_paper.html

>> No.10545897

>>10545891
Didn’t some nip develop it and put it on github?

>> No.10545916

>>10545691
There was about dozen teams all around the world decoding the image of the black hole. They was working separately on different algorithms.
When the teams finished they compared the results with each other. There was three images which was looking the same. So all three teams deserve the credit.

>> No.10545922

>>10545916
See >>10545652

75 Institutes participated

DON'T LET MIT STEAL THE GLORY

>> No.10545971

interferometry with large arrays of telescopes isnt fucking new you brainlets
and obviously improvements are made along the way when pushing the boundaries of any technology, and she worked on that

>> No.10545977 [DELETED] 

>>10545916
But are they Jewish, connected and female
I think not

>> No.10545997
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10545997

Heres a pic of the top github commits of her team from the first black hole thread
>90 commits vs. Chael's 566

>> No.10546011

>>10545997
this doesnt mean anything

>> No.10546019

>>10545691
>that nose
I guess that's your answer

>> No.10546020

>>10546011
850 ksloc - 131 ksloc vs 2.4 ksloc - 1 ksloc

>> No.10546021

>>10545720
She said she led one of the four teams in an interview.

>> No.10546031

>>10546020
she worked on improving the techniques, doesnt mean she wrote the final code. that andrew chael guy is a grad student, shes a post doc so it makes sense he did more of the raw coding...

>> No.10546032
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10546032

>>10545691
Here's the whole team. Imagine working your ass off for one of the most remarkable projects and one qt getting the whole spotlight.
>oh n no no HAHAHAHA

>> No.10546042

>>10546031
https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/commit/e70cf5ff93a2ac24e199c9cbbddd449311f12df6

>> No.10546051

>>10546032
>qt
your standards are low

>> No.10546053

>>10546032
Imagine thinking anybody besides incels care

>> No.10546055

Why do we care about who made the imaging algorithm so much? Why not who designed the telescopes? Who made the lenses? Who found the black hole? Who launched the satalites?

>> No.10546056

imagine being so butthurt at the idea of a woman being successful that you made this thread, damn you're pathetic

>> No.10546058

>>10546032
>One of the most remarkable projects
Lol, this shit is a marketing gimmick. What new insights does their heavily filtered CG image give into black holes?

>> No.10546059

Have you thanked her yet?

>> No.10546070

>>10546058
It's a monumental support of GR, and the result of years of very careful astronomy. Why are you even here?

>> No.10546071

>>10546051
MIT was like my private school but only the nerds who are at best average. MIT post grads are probably all the ugly people who couldn't find a husband/wife. For an MIT post grad she's fine.

>> No.10546076

>>10545713
PROTIP: I've spent about 5 years in academia
Being the project lead doesn't mean you did the majority of the work, it usually means you did quite the opposite and just got your slave PhD students to do it for you.

>> No.10546077

Why do people care lmao. It's not even a real black hole.

>> No.10546084
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>>10546042
that code is literally a package andrew chael made, probably so that all of the previously developed code was in one place.

even just look at the files
># Code Author: Katie Bouman
># Date: June 1, 2016
and yet shes not listed as a contributer. actually it even looks like she disabled an old github account where she worked on this stuff.

stop saying shit none of us know anything about.

>> No.10546094

>>10545696
led

>> No.10546100
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10546100

She didn't even "invent" the algorithm, lol. Pic related.

>> No.10546104

>>10546084
>woman's contributions to meme science shown to be overblown if not outright phony
Seething.

>> No.10546114

>>10546100
First author did all the work.
That's the rule.
Other authors are just their out of courtesy
Doesn't matter if you're second, or 99999th, only first author matters

>> No.10546117

>>10546084
That Github account of hers has been around since 2013. No deletion

>> No.10546127
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10546127

>>10546100
She's first author, retard.
You need to go back.

>>10546042
>>10546020
>>10546104
Pic related

>> No.10546128

>>10546070
>New support
Such as? Again, what new insights did the image produce? If it is one of the most important scientific discoveries of the decade, you should be able to list something from their paper.

>> No.10546134

>>10546117
why doesnt it show up in the names of contributers then? why isnt it listed as her current github account, klbouman?

>> No.10546136

>>10546114
>>10546127
>First author did all the work
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

First author only means that she wrote the paper.
It does not mean that she did all the work with the algorithm, it only means that she wrote it up.
>>>/pol/209608682

>> No.10546138

>>10546114
first author is the student you brainlet
last author is the supervisor who did everything except the busy work
at least that is how 90% PhDs are done these days

>> No.10546145

>>10546136
>First author only means that she wrote the paper.
.t somebody who has never written a paper

That's not even close to reality.
First authorship is traditionally given to the person who did the most work.
Last author is given to the supervisors who did nothing but correct typos

>> No.10546149

>>10546128
>If it is one of the most important scientific discoveries of the decade
It isn't. But it is one of the more important achievements of [a couple years ago]. Stop calling it a discovery. The photo further confirms gravitational lensing and beaming, as well as the existence of black holes (obviously). So, what are you even doing here?

>> No.10546153

>>10546138
>Supervisors
>Doing anything of value
Pick one
My supervisors did nothing but listen to status reports and proofread my papers

>> No.10546154

>>10546136
Imagine being this confident and ignorant

>> No.10546155

You faggots are painfully naive and trusting for being men of science.

>> No.10546160

The black hole is going to eat us?

>> No.10546165

>>10546149
>The photo confirms
No it doesn't. We have a measure gravitational lensing and beaming 100 different ways. This "photo" tells us nothing more than we knew. It is a pretty figure, thats it.

>> No.10546166

>>10546145
>traditionally
>TRADITIONALLY
Freudian slip. YOU don't have a degree.

>supervisors who did nothing but correct typos
>correct typos
I have never in my life seen a supervisor who corrected typos.

Alright, faggot. It's obvious that you don't even have a degree at this point. Stop talking shit.

>> No.10546167

>>10546155
Tell me, oh enlightened one, what I am naive of.

>> No.10546170

>>10546145
First authorship is given to whoever's career they're most interested in boosting. This doesn't have to correspond to who did the work. Welcome to 2019 grandpa.

>> No.10546171

>>10546165
>the photo further confirms
>further
Thanks for conceding my point. It is impressive mostly for how difficult it was to obtain. Now answer my question.

>> No.10546180

>>10546166
.t supervisor who does nothing of value but talks big so he doesn't lose tenure

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>>10546136
>First author only means that she wrote the paper.
>unironically links to a fellow LARP from /pol/
Maybe you'll get more accurate info if you talk to someone who is actually in academia.
"If I did all the hard work for a publication, I'd let someone else take first author." -- said by no one ever.
But kudos for not trying to hide where you came from.

>>10546138
>the supervisor who did everything except the busy work
I'd say nice joke if I knew you weren't joking

>> No.10546184

>>10546170
>t. never worked in an academic setting

>> No.10546187

>>10546145
>>10546153
>>10546154
There are two kinds of relations you can have with your supervisor:
1. You get to do what you want - with your own ideas, and then it's like >>10546153 say.
2. The supervisor has a lot of his own ideas but does not have the time for them. So he gives you one. In that case, all the hard work is already done, you just have to do the grunt work.

>> No.10546192

>>10546171
>Further confirms
No no no. The New Horizon dataset they used has already been studied and confirmed these things. All this group did was massage the data into a figure. We learned nothing new from this image.

>> No.10546194

>>10545691
Most likely, someone else who was competent (male) did her job or her contribution was actually miniscule, and they are giving her the credit in order to score brownie points in this political climate (we need moar wimmen in stem!!!1)

If you can't see something odd about them pushing a prepubescent-looking woman's face in front of some "amazing" scientific achievement then you need to be aware of the pathetic political climate we're in now and how these people are trying to exploit it.

>> No.10546195

>>10546153
yeah, I'm sure she just came in, identified exactly what unaccounted for work needed to be done on the project, and came up with the solution all independently while her supervisor just proofread
lmao no, if you're working on a large long term astronomy project as a student, all you are doing is the gruntwork assigned down to you. I'm sure everything was already laid out for her before she even came onboard

>> No.10546196

>>10546076
>I've spent about 5 years in academia
So you're a grad student
Wow, what a """pro""" tip

>> No.10546199

>>10546136
you obviously arent in academia

the last person on the paper, William T. Freeman was likely her PhD supervisor. he probably came up with the idea of the project (which is never very specific), and set her off in the some direction (possibly wrong) with some papers of the current techniques used. the supervisor in a large group is generally really busy, so she most likely had more supervision from some post-docs, probably the one you posted that picture of on the paper. the student ends up doing basically all of the work, spending huge amounts of time, trying 1000 things that dont work, and getting a bit of guidance from other members of the group who are likely listed on that paper

>> No.10546205

>>10546181
Anon, I know lots of professors who would KILL to get someone to do the busy work for them on their Ideas where the hard work is already done.

The reality of this world is the following: If you are REALLY good. Then you have 10 Ideas that are worth a Ph.D. at every time. And after that 10 more.

And you just don't time for them.
It's a godsend to have someone do the grunt work. Even if you just get second author.

>> No.10546206

>>10546192
>massage the data into a figure
But that isn't fucking true. This is a radio photograph.

>> No.10546212

>>10546196
>5 years in academia
>Hasn't graduated
Christ, how much of a failure are you, anon?

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10546215

Imagine being so cynical that you have a negative reaction to top level astronomy

>> No.10546219

>>10545720
Bouman getting all the credit is a reddit I fucking love science psyop. Real world academia knows it was a big team effort.

>> No.10546220
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>>10546205
>do none of the work
>claim lion's share of the credit
>"I'm an idea person"

>> No.10546225

>>10546199
>the student ends up doing basically all of the work, spending huge amounts of time, trying 1000 things that don't work, and getting a bit of guidance from other members of the group who are likely listed on that paper
Yes. That is exactly how I mean it.
Do you even read your own post?

>Oh supervisor, I tried a,b,c,d and e - as you said - and it hasn't worked. What should I do now?
Well, let me think... Try v,w,x,y and z now

>> No.10546230

>>10546206
Lol no.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&q=would+a+neutron+star+be+a+black+hole&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiH18O4qcjhAhVI2qwKHbL5Af0QBXoECAwQAQ

>> No.10546232

>>10546220
>do none of the work
But that isn't true.
>>>/green frogs/

>> No.10546235

>>10546212
P-please don't remind me anon
>mfw stuck in ABD

>> No.10546238

>>10546230
>google search of something irrelevant
Oof

>> No.10546240

>>10546206
this is not true

>> No.10546249

>>10546170
>First authorship is given to whoever's career they're most interested in boosting.
This is correct, and extra authors are often thrown in who either did nothing or very little

Notice how Chinese papers always have at least 8 names on them

>> No.10546255

nobody would be questioning this at all if she was male, shut the fuck up

>> No.10546256

>>10546056
it's bizarre, you guys should be encouraging women to do more of this stuff, maybe they'll finally stop being useless whores who barely know how to cook and clean.

>> No.10546266

>>10545691
They just took a picture of something already known to exist, nothing surprising there

>> No.10546276

>>10546225
my point is that while the supervisor might have some vague "big ideas" there is still a ton of shit to figure out to make it all work

>> No.10546278

>>10546255
If she was male there would probably be a group picture of the people who contributed. And, hopefully, none of them would be wearing a racy anime girl shirt.

>> No.10546282
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10546282

Anyone got her nudes? I need a supermassive fap.

>> No.10546292

>>10546240
Cant link articles because of retarded span recognition. Search "nature.com blackhole pictured for first time"
>the first fucking paragraph
>event horizons radio telescope
Then search "nature.com how to hunt for a black hole"
>observed at a wavelength of ~1 mm
Learn the absolute basics before weighing in, please

>> No.10546307

>>10546278
>probably be a group picture of the people who contributed
Interesting how there is one

>> No.10546314

>>10546307
Yet this is not the picture which is being plastered across the media. Curious.

>> No.10546318

>>10546314
Yea I guess it's her fault

>> No.10546327

>>10546276
Yes, that's why she had a second guy at MIT who is there to tell her what to do.
Even a monkey can try out different parameters.

>> No.10546328

>>10545691
>that nose
she just jewed the credits from the guys who actually did it

>> No.10546333

>>10546318
It will be when she goes along with it.

>> No.10546336

>>10546318
I'm not sure who is saying that. It is mostly that the media works by farming the most clicks possible from the idiot rabble who in turn respond to whatever is most sensational or which confirms what they wish to believe.

>> No.10546338

>>10546055
This. While we're at it, why not debate about adding the computers that did the computation to the acknowledgments. That is what this whole thing is feeling like.

>> No.10546342

>>10546336
The topic of this thread is how she is a fraud/undeserving. Are you pretending to be slow

>> No.10546355

>>10546342
The thread actually seems to be a debate about what ratio of the work she can take credit for, which is probably impossible to tell from the outside. The only reason this is an issue is because of how the media, composed of non-scientists, has handled this story.

>> No.10546361

>>10546032
nobody is in good shape

>> No.10546362

>>10546055
Because the imaging algorithms were a novel technology. Radio telescopes and computers and satellites are not.

>>10546355
There isn't any reason to doubt she is responsible for the amount of work she and her colleagues claim she is responsible for. Who gives a shit about media.

>> No.10546365

>>10545691
Is it just me or is she EXTREMELY hot

>> No.10546368

>>10546365
is this really what americans are attracted to?

>> No.10546370

>>10546205
>where the hard work is already done.
but the hard work hasn't already been done
you seem to think a research lab is like a team of monkeys with a puppeteer controlling their every action

>>10546225
professor is usually thinking very high level so the conversation goes more like
>I tried a-e to implement X and none of it worked.
>OK, look into Y instead.
far from being told exactly what to do, student has to figure out how to do it, and usually even has to argue to the professor that his approach to Y will work.

>>10546212
it's not about how long it takes to get the PhD moron. it's about productivity
7 year ABD with 10 journal papers >>> 2 year PhD with a dissertation and a conference paper

>> No.10546375

>>10546368
Post what you're attracted to.

>> No.10546377

>>10546149
>But it is one of the more important achievements of [a couple years ago].

Stop kidding yourself, it's just a way to beg for more funds.

>> No.10546380

>>10545875
>first author
well yeah her last name starts with B

>> No.10546383

>>10545818
heh

BBC

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10546385

>jew
>nepotistic
You don't say?

>> No.10546388

I won't completely diminish her contribution. She obviously did something to contribute.

The thing that annoys me more is how people like her are media whores who deliberately gives journalists the impression that they independently made some big break through. Sabrina Gonzalez Paterski is another one.

As long as they give a oneliner about "thanking their team" no one can pin them down for being dishonest.

>> No.10546391

>>10546362
>imaging algorithms were a novel technology
No, they weren't. That was just an application of neural networks on a different subject. It's really nothing special.
Just download tensorflow, run it on some data. Change a few parameters and you will get the same result.
Here is the paper: https://people.csail.mit.edu/klbouman/pw/papers_and_presentations/cvpr2016_bouman.pdf

There is absolutely nothing revolutionary or anything about that.

>> No.10546393

>>10546377
Okay. Name something more important or impressive from the past 3 years

>> No.10546403

>>10546393
Everything LIGO has discovered

>> No.10546408

>>10546393
The shit I just took.

>> No.10546414

>>10546403
And thats literally in the same field of black hole astrophysics. With a completely new and revolutionary experimental tool with massive potential for future improvements.

>> No.10546416

>>10546391
I can guarantee that you wouldn't put this person in doubt or minimizing their achievements if it were a man

>> No.10546417

>>10546370
>you seem to think a research lab is like a team of monkeys with a puppeteer controlling their every action
No, that's no longer the case because stuff was automated.
A research lab is a bunch of monkeys pressing buttons, to get automated monkeys to do the job.
And then report the result to the master.

>> No.10546418

>>10546403
>ligo
Yeah, probably. I say photographing a black hole is in the top 3. It isn't trivial.

>> No.10546426

>>10546416
I wouldn't talk about it. So? That's not an argument.
Everyone knows that there are 6 goriillion ways to get a Ph.D. with an application of neural networks, simply because it can be applied to anything and everything.
Nothing of it is impressive.

>> No.10546428

ITT butt blasted incel undergrads

>> No.10546437

>>10545768
>Her position and newfound fame are nepotistic in origin, if I had to guess.

No shit, just look at her nose.

>> No.10546461

>>10546428
It's hilarious how /r9k/ comes out of the woodwork here literally every time there's a woman in the news. Their pathological hatred of women runs so deep they can't even entertain the idea that a woman might have done something useful without flying into a steaming rage.

>> No.10546466

>>10546461
If what she has done deserves all the media attention, what does the rest of the 4 teams deserve since they did almost all the job?

>> No.10546468

>>10546461
Can you entertain the idea of 1=2?
I can. But that does not change the fact that it's a garbage idea.

>> No.10546470

>>10545713
Of course (((Katie Bouman))) would try and take credit for someone else’s work. It’s as if a certain group of (((people))) have been exhibiting these kinds of traits for thousands of years.

>> No.10546471
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>>10546327
Interesting perspective.
I've heard probably hundreds of students whine about their professor not giving them enough guidance, and I always remind them they're working on stuff that's hardly ever (or never) been done.
I've also heard professors complain about students expecting to be told everything.
I've certainly never heard a student complain that their professor is too hands-on except in the sense of "that guy actually makes us log our hours / sign into the lab at 8 am every day"
This must be field-related. What field do you work in?

>> No.10546478

>>10546468
Do I have to be autistic to understand this post

>> No.10546487

>>10545796
https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/katie-bouman/

>Her father, Charles Bouman, an engineering professor at Purdue University, told the Journal & Courier his daughter had told her family a big announcement would be coming on Wednesday, but said she couldn’t provide details.

>> No.10546497

>>10546471
Machine Learning.

>I've also heard professors complain about students expecting to be told everything.
Yes, that's exactly right.
But have you also heard about the professors who actually DO spend hours explaining their students everything after they ask?

>I've certainly never heard a student complain that their professor is too hands-on
Isn't that trivial? This is supply and demand.
There are students who want to do their own thing, those are rare.
There are students expecting to be told everything, those are common.
The students who do their own thing will just get left alone because there are enough of the other category. They won't complain.

>> No.10546503

>>10546497
Also, I want to clarify.
Many professors first spend hours explaining their students everything after they ask.
And then complain about it later.

>> No.10546515

chael wrote 94.444% of the code

>> No.10546516
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>>10546487
>>10545691
>>10545696
Her East Asian husband

>> No.10546526
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10546526

>>10546515
This Chael?

>> No.10546536

>>10546526
LGBTQ i know the meaning until that, what the fuck is the IA for, do they include robots (heh) now

>> No.10546540
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>>10546418
>photographing a black hole
>photograph

Pic related, brainlet.

>> No.10546541

>>10546536
Intersex and asexual?

>> No.10546542
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10546542

>>10546516
What's with jews always marrying east asians?

>> No.10546546

>>10546428
>>10546461
Why are you scared of finding out the truth?

>> No.10546547

>>10546542
jews are always ahead of the curve. jews used to marry into respected white families, but east asians are the future

>> No.10546548

>>10545783
>different university for your PhD
what? why?

>> No.10546555

>>10545691

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ab0ec7


Yes she did create an algo and contributed to this project.

But the thing is so did many others. In fact she isn't the first one to create a thesis on the imaging technique. See Honma. Other algos were also used.

So while she did contribute, so did many others. To say only she contributed or played the most important part is really a disgrace considering the massive number of authors in the project.

At least thats how I see it. Any experts wanna chime in. The actual source is here. Not shitty journalist secondary sources

>> No.10546563

visualization is the most brainlet part of science anyway

The fact that the masses adore this bitch is further proof of the retardation of the crowd

>> No.10546569

>>10546555
yes it's shitty and unfair to the co-authors. This is all because of the "we need more women in science" meme and this destruction of science should be exposed in the mainstream. also nice trips

>> No.10546588

>>10546478
no, just not retarded

>> No.10546604

>>10546526
yes that guy wrote 850.000 lines of the 900.000 total lines of code

>> No.10546610

>>10546516
not surprising since both races are backstabbing morons

>> No.10546649

>>10545888
200 line python script

>> No.10546657

>>10546056
> idea of a woman being successful
Wrong. I'm butthurt because it's not fucking fair to get all attention because you are a woman unlike others.
It's depressing.

>> No.10546662

>>10545691
>majorly
ugh

>> No.10546683

>>10545768
Yeah shes a kike afterall

>> No.10546687

>>10545691
If this bitch gets away with the credit, after it has been proven she did next to nothing compared to the other people behind this project, then my interest in science is DEAD. The practice has become a joke and a farce.

>> No.10546688

>>10546256
>it's bizarre, you guys should be encouraging dogs to do more of this stuff, maybe they'll finally stop being useless wuffers who barely know how to bark and guard the house.
This is how you sound.

>> No.10546703

>>10546687
yikes

>> No.10546705

Fuck this media circus

It's like that time when a scientist got fired because certain individuals didn't like the shirt he was wearing. that had bikini models on it.

>> No.10546724

>>10545724
Probably the usual suspects. A collusion of media outlets to promote shill women in STEM.

>> No.10546730
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10546730

>>10546516
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK WHY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIOII

>> No.10546737
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>>10545724
>What the fuck who is behind this.

>> No.10546747
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>>10545691

>> No.10546757

>>10546703
Kindly go jump off a fucking cliff, you bastard.

>> No.10546762

>>10546747
Oh jeez

>> No.10546764

>>10546604
see >>10546127

>> No.10546765

>>10546542
>shut it down!
>PING PONG GONG
>not now honey the goyim are waking up

>> No.10546769

>>10546747
This would have been a lot funnier if you didn't go full tard and reference muh (((articles))) as evidence.

>> No.10546776

>>10546757
>kindly
What a reddit thing to say. If your interested in science is motivated by reporters, then you are better off abandoning the field (actually, the field would be better off).

>> No.10546781

Are all of those retards who are defending this unironically kike shills? I mean, how could a sane person not see how idiotic this is?

>> No.10546783

>>10546388
>She obviously did something to contribute.
Not guaranteed in the slightest. I have seen examples of full professors who never did any research, but who magically got their names to appear on publications.

>> No.10546791

>>10546076
Doesnt mean that the report she was team lead is any more accurate regardless of work load.

>> No.10546792

>>10546747
Well done (whoever made the pic). Need to pass this around. Hate this fucking farce and the destruction of science and men's career avenues.

>> No.10546799

>>10546776
Then I will. The field doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

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>>10545691

>> No.10546809

>>10546781
They're just shabbos goy cucks.

>> No.10546862

>>10546555
She seems like a cool person and I'm happy for her that she's getting her time in the spotlight, but the media really can't help but push the "great person" narrative - whether it be a man or a woman - at the expense of the huge team of people around the world whose cooperation makes all this possible.

>> No.10546869

https://twitter.com/SaraIssaoun/status/1116304522660519936

>> No.10546888

>>10546056
Let me tell you about the butthurt. It's about being fascinated with space and black holes in particular since you were young. Spending recess in the library to read up on the stuff and the science around it.
Then as an adult you're in your car going to work and the radio talks about this new discovery, but they shoehorn gender and politics in the discussion with the black hole being barely a sidenote and you shut off the radio in frustration.
Then during your break at work you look it up online, but all you find are articles using the black hole as a stepping stone to talk about gender and politics, with some shitty le black hole jokes here and there, and after 4 pages of that bullshit you give up and go back to work.

I just wanted to hear about space, not your obsession with men and women. Why is nothing safe from this bullshit?

>> No.10546893

>>10546888
Seeeeeething.

>> No.10546909

>>10546461
Buzzfeed tier argument
> why is this particular woman receiving all the attention when it was a concerted effort of hundreds of scientists across the world?
> lel r9k incel xD

>> No.10546922 [DELETED] 

>>10546076
>I've spent about 5 years in academia
I'd be willing to bet that's easily below average, just on this board.
My buddy spent 17 years in university becoming an oncologist.

>> No.10546933

>>10546869
that AOC subtweet

>> No.10546938

Why should anyone go into this field of study if their work is just going to stolen by some bimbo? It's not worth the effort.

>> No.10546941

>>10546136
>First author only means that she wrote the paper.
Not in Canada.

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>>10546249
>Chinese papers
mfw

>> No.10546976
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>>10546318
>>10546333
>>10546336
KATIE BOUMAN FACEBOOK POST:

>"Watching in disbelief as the first image I ever made of a black hole was in the process of being reconstructed," she wrote in the caption to the Facebook post.

>"I made"
"I made"
>"I made"

>> No.10546981

Typical jewish self-promotion-over-others & jewish self-interest by the ENTIRELY jewish owned media in our countries.

This woman now has international recognition, they will never go back and correct the article, this girl won over everyone else, her career is boosted 1000x theirs.
Of the twenty-four(24) senior administrators of the Ivy League colleges and universities, twenty(20) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 83%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews and spouses of Jews are over-represented among the senior administrators of the Ivy League colleges and universities by a factor of 41.5 times(4,150 percent).

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10546994

>>10546941
>thinking that differences in author-ordering style appear along geographic lines

>> No.10546998

>>10545691
What's a black hole?

>> No.10547025

Look, we all know the media needs another layer to this to keep it interesting. They need a story. Talking actual facts/science won't get you on the air for more than a minute. You need a figurehead. That's what she is.

She did work on the project though, so it's not like it's a total crapshoot. You may not like how the game is played, but that's how it is.

>> No.10547032

>>10546020
>>10546011
>>10545997

There's no way it was 800k code. He probably just took raw data or something and committed that.

>> No.10547035

>>10547025

Post truth society. All that matters is the narrative.

>> No.10547040

Why is everyone butthurt about this woman? If it was a guy literally none of you guys would care enough to shitpost.

>> No.10547042

>>10546516
That is the perfect representation of AMWF and its amazing dynamics

>> No.10547045

>>10547025
>resign, goy!
>you can't win anyway!
>that's just how the game is played!
>They are just acting in your interest!
Imagine if Hitler thought like that.

>> No.10547072

>>10546542
Work them to the bone and then claim credit for their work.

>> No.10547078

>>10547040
its like the retards that spam elon musk shit

>> No.10547101

>>10546994
Just talking from experience, kid.
I'm not going to claim I know what goes on in India and China, I'm sure it's all above board and such, of course.
Those pointless "geographic" lines.
(btw, I think you meant 'political' or 'geopolitical')

>> No.10547158
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10547158

>>10547101
Everyone who has had even the slightest contact with academic publishing knows the ordering of authors varies with the field and not really with geography.
>(btw, I think you meant 'political' or 'geopolitical')
I'm pretty sure I'm speaking with a child right now.

>> No.10547181

>>10546747
more info on this?

>> No.10547194

>>10546393
IBM Summit, Sunway TaihuLight, Commercialized 10 nanometer lithography, mainstream reusable rockets, CRISPR Cpf1, Wendelstein 7-X plasma discharge, EAST tokamak 100+ second plasma stability...

>> No.10547198

>>10546032
>qt

>> No.10547203

>>10546516
Holy fuck, those noses. Wtf, they are going to create the most hideous Elliot Rodger to ever walk the Earth.

>> No.10547242

>>10547032
or just entire libraries
it's very rare to write 1000 lines in one day that do go into production

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>>10546799
IFLS seething detected

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>>10546963

>> No.10547298

black holes aren't real

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>>10547042
amwf are the autismo couple, never met one that didn't make me cringe

>> No.10547321

It's hard to say who is more retarded in this whole thing: mainstream media or 4chan. Both are being complete fucking retards, but on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

>> No.10547354

>>10547321
>i'm calling both sides retarded so that must mean i'm exempt

>> No.10547373

>>10545796
ayyyeee, shout out from Purdue

>> No.10547393

>>10547354
Mainstream media for saying she was the one responsible for everything. 4chan for thinking that the guy who "wrote 850,000 lines of code" was responsible for everything. Nobody writes even a tenth of that much code in their entire lives.

>> No.10547427

>>10547393
>Nobody writes even a tenth of that much code in their entire lives.
That's a weird thing to say. It's certainly too much for one man to maintain as a single project.

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>> No.10547441

>>10547393
Terry definitely wrote more than a tenth of that for templeos

>> No.10547472
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>>10547194
nice. mfw.

>> No.10547494

>>10546032
Is it established to be the whole team? Kind of hard for me to accept this because there are multiple locations of telescopes the whole teams is like something over 100 people "big". I guess the low-lvl workers aren't in this picture, only decisionmakers, am I wrong?

>> No.10547502
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>>10547181
>more info on this?
Basically, idiots think data tables in the codebase counts as "lines of code".
Pic related.
https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/commit/886b07b8a00d142b23a70537511c79bef85e0042

If a girl had put this file in the repository they'd have figured it out real quick. So there's a portion that are disingenuously outrage-peddling and a larger group of retards repeating it even though they know fuck all about programming

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>>10545696
This she is single handedly responsible. Sorry /pol/fags and incels but this is an uncomfortable reality, women are better at science than men and make up 70% of university students in America.

>> No.10547509

>>10547494
One of the teams, I think. The team of which KB is member.

>> No.10547545

The woman shouldn't get any hate. She didn't do anything wrong, it's the media that's overhyping her

>> No.10547551

I want to widen her black hole's Schwarzschild radius.

>> No.10547581
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>>10547545
Damage control failsafes ACTIVATED

>> No.10547586

>>10547581
Anon's probably right, tho.

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10547596

>>10547586
Samefagging subroutine ENGAGED

>> No.10547599

>>10547581
Incel rage mode
ACTIVATED

>> No.10547604

>>10547596
>Look I claimed someone was someone else with absolutely no evidence

>> No.10547618
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10547621

>>10547596
also
>>10547604

>> No.10547627

>woman does something
>half of /sci/ collectively melts down
Jesus christ /sci/, you're no better than /v/.

>> No.10547641

>>10547618
Damn. But you're going to get ignored anyway

>> No.10547643

wtf is she the new einstein

>> No.10547657

>>10547618
Sad how this will get ignored by everyone.

>> No.10547667

>>10546355
>>10546862
>>10547025
>>10547321
>>10547393
>>10547545
>>10547586
FULL DAMAGE CONTROL

>> No.10547674

>>10547618
wow

>> No.10547675

>>10546563
Unless it’s biology or something that currently can’t be seen like dark matter.

>> No.10547680

>>10547667
Imagine being this stupid that your only means of communication is degraded to /pol/-tier memes.

What's wrong with this post >>10546355 ?

And please, for your response, try to use the only sophisticated skill that separates you from a mere animal.

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10547687

>>10546355
>>10546862
>>10547025
>>10547321
>>10547393
>>10547545
>>10547586
>>10547680

>> No.10547696
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>>10547680
Women aren't human.
Any attempt at pretending they contributed anything to science is just on the same level as pretending that dogs did.
And everyone knows this.
The only ones who would unironically shill something so retarded here are JIDF, NPC's and Roasties.

>> No.10547697

I don't get it.
Did she lead the team or not? From all the headlines it seems that's the case.

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>>10547680
>wh-what's wrong with pinning this on the cis white media
Begone, you have no power here.

>> No.10547701

>>10547687
>>10547696
>>10547698
Good thing most of you are coming out of the /pol/work only when shit like this happens or you're simply merely pretending to be retarded for funsies.

>> No.10547704

Friendly reminder to ignore the lone /pol/ shitposter who is just looking to be an "epic troll" on /sci/ of all places.

>> No.10547706

>>10547697
there was no single team, she was a lead member of one of four teams working on imaging

>> No.10547708

>>10547697
She was a big part in the development in the 3 algorithms, but was not the leader of the whole team.

>> No.10547717

>>10547708
She didn't even put leader on her own resume.

>> No.10547728

>>10547701
Name one(1) important thing that women invented.
>In before Pierre Curie didn't actually do all the work

>> No.10547751

>>10547717
if she did she'd be getting scrutinized for that too -_-

>> No.10547774

>>10547680
You think you better than me? Come visit me in Zürich and I will smack your ass

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10547794

>>10547774
Oh, yea?
Well, now you said it. Tell me where we will meet, I will fucking ring your head like a bell! Pic related, it's me with my trusty bat.

>> No.10547814

>>10546542
both are sociopathic monsters.

>> No.10547821

>>10547794
Ah, of course it's a germ. Have you already sucked Mutumbos chocolate log for today?

>> No.10547834

>>10545691
la creatura.....

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10547838

>>10547821
His name is not "Mutumbo", his name is Ali, and he is a very kind man. Why are you racist also, or what? Fucking nazi, go back to /pol/. /sci/ is a save space, you are not allowed here.

>> No.10547844

>>10547821
I am serious. It's enough with your stupid jokes. You want a fight. Give me your address, FUCKER.

>>10547838
Lol, fucking baiter.

>> No.10547849
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10547849

/sci/ absolutely SEETHING a woman is smarter than them.

You go girl.

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>>10547300
let me censor that for you

>> No.10547866

>>10547618
https://twitter.com/SaraIssaoun/status/1116304522660519936

>> No.10547873

>>10547618
/thread

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>>10545691

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>>10545728
She did an incredible job, just look at the code she contributed

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>> No.10547902

>>10546776
"the field" is built upon competition of egos and desire for accomplishment. Undeserved credit tarnishes these unwritten rules and can therefore lead to demotivation. The blame lies in the media for singling out one person out of the whole team(s). But if you're mature enough to accept that the world is unfair you won't let such a thing affect you.

>> No.10547908

>>10547888
Now show the printscreens for the rest of the 2400 lines of code!

>> No.10547909

>>10547888
Please tell me you cherrypicked that.

>> No.10547913
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10547913

SHUT IT DOWN

>> No.10547920

>>10547908
kek

>> No.10547922

>>10547503
quit false flagging dumbass or at least make it less obvious

>> No.10547941

>>10547913
I honestly did not see this one coming. Fuck i love it when women turn "against themselves".

>> No.10548017

>>10546282
Katie Bouman nude (NSFW): >>>/i/572674

>> No.10548021
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>>10548017
Someone post this to twitter. The media outrage will be nuclear.

>> No.10548023

>>10547888
this looks like python but I can understand all the $ and {{ and r' stuff. why does power get passed to str()?

>> No.10548031

Male Scientist:
>So how did you come up with the cure anyways?
*stops to include his friends and peers*
>It was actually the efforts of our whole team, and we have them to thank for it. What we did was...

Female Scientist:
>So how did you come up with the cure anyways?
*throws her entire team under the proverbial bus*
>Honestly, creating the cure was hard, but with spirit and determination I got the job done! Any other questions?

>> No.10548038

>>10548023
It's to print a number in scientific notation, in Latex format. "power" is just a variable representing the power of ten to use.

>> No.10548044

>>10548031
she made a social media post saying the media story was bullshit and the entire team deserves credit, but you go ahead and make up facts that support your shitty worldview

>> No.10548049

>>10548038
>python to output latex
yikes, glad I'm not a researcher

>> No.10548085

>>10546542
Well California does have the highest asian american population so you can't really blame him heh

>> No.10548100

>>10548049
Matplotlib supports latex in plot legends and diagrams.

>> No.10548171

>>10545691
she's the queen of science and the sole reason any of us exist. This is the most important thing that has ever happened to this race. All Hail this random roastie!

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>>10548017

>> No.10548192

>>10548021
yeah, link to 4chan directly. it'll be like "4chan alt right anti feminist cult photoshop scandal" or some shit. I hate modern media.

Also, how is this shit talked about this much. All you're doing is playing into the media's game. This is exactly what they want: to get people talking and to get more attention and clicks. Don't fall into this shitty trap they've set up, I thought it would be more difficult to influence /sci/ emotionally.

>> No.10548203

>>10548192
>/sci/
>implying
You need to go back

>> No.10548307

>>10545724
>What the fuck who is behind this
C'mon man. Do I really have to say it?

>> No.10548325
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>>10548192
>The Media planned this shitshow with malice aforethought in order to gain precious hateclicks
Equal parts crazy and retarded.

>> No.10548378

>>10546365
She looks like a fucking keebler elf, mate.

>> No.10548520

>>10546365
She's a goofy looking girl next door. Then dont come more plain jane than this! If you're attracted then that's ok, I am too. But saying flat out she's extremely attractive is fucking bullshit

>> No.10548534

>>10548520
thats much more attractive to me than instagram makeup bimbo girls to me

>> No.10548545

>>10548325
I'd do the same thing if I was in their position.

>> No.10548556

>>10546976
>>10547902
>The blame lies in the media for singling out one person out of the whole team(s).
Does it tho?
lookie here:

>>10546976
>KATIE BOUMAN FACEBOOK POST:
>"Watching in disbelief as the first image I ever made of a black hole was in the process of being reconstructed," she wrote in the caption to the Facebook post. (British Broadcasting Corporation)

>> No.10548560

>>10545713
yeah (((where)) could it be

>> No.10548603

>>10548556
Having to think about how society will react is artificial scarcity.

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Me bald head hurts

>> No.10548620

>>10548520
>She's a goofy looking girl next door.
A lot of birth defects in your neighborhood?
>>10548545
>I'd do the same thing if I was in their position.
The conspiracy you're proposing is impossibly huge and sinister, without much payoff if any. But you know who COULD plausibly bring about something along these lines for her own personal gain..?

>> No.10548621

>Big scientific announcement
>Media promotes woman who contributed towards a vital aspect to the work as a female STEM role model
>Brainlets take it to mean she was solely responsible
>4Chan implodes with accusations of nepotism, fraud, Jewish conspiracy (>>>/x/)
Calm down crayon-munchers, it's just the media attaching themselves to an easy to report part of the story, once one of them have it it's easy for the rest of them to copy and that's exactly what's happened, there must be hundreds of near identical articles on her right now.

>>10548556
Do you think she made that post on her personal FB with the thought that millions of autismos would put her under the microscope? Do you think she made it with the intention of making the same claim as the media hype train she had no idea was coming?

>> No.10548635

>>10548621
>the media did it
Conspiracy theories belong on >>>x

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>>10548635
It's a conspiracy to suggest the media wrote the news articles that started this?

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>>10547284
>I love asian women!!!

>> No.10548655

Journalism DOES NOT EQUAL NEWS.

>> No.10548670
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>>10548649
Come off it, nazi boy. We all know "the media" is a /pol/ dogwhistle for "the jews". You can fuck right off with that shit.

>> No.10548685

>3 different algorithms
>900k lines of code in one of them
>All for some shitty mudgy picture of radio wave concentration mapping
How does that shit make any sense.

>> No.10548686

>>10548621
>>Brainlets take it to mean she was solely responsible
Here are some headlines for you:
>CNN: That image of a black hole you saw everywhere? Thank this grad student for making it possible
>BBC: Katie Bouman: The woman behind the first black hole image
>c|net: Meet Katie Bouman, the woman who transformed our view of black holes forever
>Globalnews: Groundbreaking black hole photo was made possible by this 29-year-old MIT grad
>Vogue: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Tells Scientist Behind The First-Ever Photo Of Black Hole To “Take Her Rightful Seat In History”
>Yahoo: The first image of a black hole was brought to you by Katie Bouman — and Twitter is making sure no one forgets it
...and so on

>> No.10548688

>>10548670
Its not a dogwhistle when the terms can be used interchangably because they are equivalent.

>> No.10548694

I don't think some 20 year old science qt really did that, no.

>> No.10548698

>>10548621
>Do you think she made that post on her personal FB with the thought that millions of autismos would put her under the microscope? Do you think she made it with the intention of making the same claim as the media hype train she had no idea was coming?
Seen these?
>>10545818
and
>>10546487
>>Her father, Charles Bouman, an engineering professor at Purdue University, told the Journal & Courier his daughter had told her family a big announcement would be coming on Wednesday, but said she couldn’t provide details.

>> No.10548738

>>10548686
>The headlines of hype media are overhyping her
Shock. As I said, you'd be an idiot to take them to mean she was solely responsible.

>>10548698
>Seen these?
Honestly I don't understand what the point is? Her dad is an engineering professor, so what? He's dadposting about his daughter that he's proud of, it's conspiracy tier thinking if this is evidence for nepotism.

>> No.10548760

>>10546416
were this person a man this thread would not exist since they would not be receiving a disproportionate amount of credit

>> No.10548780

>>10546981
*knock knock*
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/672/text

>> No.10548790

>>10545691
>Ctrl+F "phenotype"
>0 results

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>>10545691

>> No.10548812

>>10547794
lmao my wrists are thicker than your arms pussy boy. Meet me in oceanside california on sunday april 23rd and ill make sure you are fed through a tube for the rest of your life

>> No.10548836

>>10547032
IIRC 550k was one big dump.
Doesn't change the fact that he still wrote by far the most code and the most meaningful code.
>>10547040
see: >>10548760

>>10547393
the fact that most of them weren't "real" lines doesn't take away from the fact that Andrew was far more influencial to the project than Bouman.

>>10547502
You're completely correct. This still doesn't prove or even indicate that Bouman's work was anywhere near as important as Chiel's. If you have evidence to the contrary, present it.

>>10547545
see: >>10546976

>>10547618
>>10547913
banned and deplatformed in 3... 2... 1...

>>10547680
ad hominem is still better than no argument

>>10547697
she was a member of one of many teams who created the image of the black hole.

>>10547941
crab buckets and whatnot

>>10548738
It's not about people thinking she was solely responsible, it's about people thinking she played a larger role than anyone else.

>>10548044
link? Good if true.

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>> No.10548893

>>10548883
I'm sure they all did their bit of tasks like this if your time was so worthless that you wanted to go and search them out

>> No.10548936

>>10547849
god no please stop im trying to no fap and lanita makes me rock fucking hard

>> No.10548937

>>10547902
>if you're mature enough to accept that the world is unfair you won't let such a thing affect you.
that's stupid. if you're mature enough to accept the world is unfair you might still decide it's better for your happiness to go find an area which is unfair in your favor

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>>10548893
>I'm sure they all did their bit of tasks like this if your time was so worthless that you wanted to go and search them out
Why does this species of shill always throw in unneeded qualifiers like "worthless"? Is it some kind of deliberate psychological technique? Or is it just their natural rage and nastiness leaking out ever so slightly?

>> No.10548953

>>10548945
It was needed to emphasis how pointless it is targetting this woman for no good reason

>> No.10548965

>>10545691
Seems like not everybody on the Event Horizon team is happy with all the attention on only Katie.

https://twitter.com/smervosh/status/1116346971260846080

See, this tweet. New York Times is now backtracking but unfortunately, New York Times only wants to interview the other women on the team.

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>>10548945
it's deliberate but calling it a 'psychological technique' is too generous. they're just assholes who can't argue a point and resort to attacking people. this is natural for assholes who can't argue points but is reinforced because they're been trained to argue like that by their entertainment

>> No.10548974

Someone needs to tell the LGBT community that Andrew's rightly earned credit was stolen by a cis. That's the only way to solve this.

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>>10548965
screenshot

>> No.10548988

>>10545691
No, she was mostly useful and didn't do shit.

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>>10548836
>If you have evidence to the contrary, present it.
Funny how you niggers didn't care about this when MIT credited her with the algorithm 2 years ago

>> No.10548999

>>10548987
>giving people more credit than they deserve while ignoring the others is wrong
>let's fix this by giving the rest of women more credit and ignoring the men

>> No.10549006

>>10548965
>>10548987
Quality journalism is only possible when you have agenda other than just spreading actual information.

>> No.10549008

>>10548974
this.
at least as a starting point.

>> No.10549010

>>10548996
Of course. People get dredit for what they did. She worked on the algorithm, she got an appropriate amount of credit (little to none from normies). Why would that warrant attention?
The problem is when she becomes the figurehead/big kahuna of an interdisciplinary project to which she did not contribute a commensurate amount of work.

>> No.10549015

>>10548996
Funny how MIT barely mentioned her here:

http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-haystack-first-image-black-hole-0410

???

>> No.10549020

>>10548996
>>10547618

>> No.10549022

>>10548987
>>10548999
If you go on twitter, seems some scientists or professors are already using the words "media lionizing only one member and ignoring the rest" "media trying to portray some lone genius"

It seems not everybody is happy with this media rush that happened in less than 24 hours.

Bet 99% of people can't name the director of EHT who started this whole shit in the first place compared to Katie.

MIT is also pretty shameless as well or possibly Cal Tech. Due to the press, nobody knows that more than 70 other colleges were involved.

>> No.10549028

>>10549022
>If you go on twitter, seems some scientists or professors are already using the words "media lionizing only one member and ignoring the rest" "media trying to portray some lone genius"
how did you find these tweets? i've only seen this one >>10547913

>> No.10549029

>>10548996
this article is literally about a paper she wrote during her phd, so the "algorithm" referred to in this article is literally hers

but to say she developed THE algorithm for the black hole imaging is wrong, although she played a big role

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>>10549022
Don't be naive. Experienced scientists know how science reporting works.

>> No.10549334

>>10546391
Applying a known solution to a problem in a creative way could be "revolutionary".
Like finding a way to reduce one problem to another.

The thing is that saying "the person that created the algorithm to do X" with a reserch team of 200 people, a coding team of 3 dudes that commited most of the work and a solution designed by a chink and none of those people receiveng any credit send the whole thing directly into clownworld.

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>>10549043
>Experienced scientists know how science reporting works.
1) why would they?
2) no one is taking about "science reporting", the subject here is reporting in the mass media
3) they're scientists, not media analysts, why would they know anything about any type of reporting? The livelihood of movie producers, for example, depends on reporting, but scientists livelihood doesn't. Scientists have zero reason and very, very little opportunity, if any, to know anything first-hand about reporting.

>> No.10549852

>>10548044
I'll believe that if you posted a link or a screenshot before the thread get pruned.
But I'ts been hours and nothing so...I call bullshit.

>> No.10550033

>>10548967
>the wrong people are manipulating us!!!!