/sci/ - Science & Math

love that asian qt in the front :3

>>10543732

I was the only white male in my Graduate Statistics class.

Chinese student:
>I want to study STEM so I can gain a further understanding of science/technology

American student:
>I want to study STEM so I can work for Google

grad students in my department were less than half american. so many chinks who could hardly speak english..

Do these students stay in the US after they graduate?

Academia is optimizing for faulty metrics.

>Northwestern University
wtf even is this

>>10543732
>>https://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/project-management/overview/meet-our-students/current-students.html
Exactly 100 graduate students.
60+ from China.

>>10543732
It's settled science that asians have higher IQ's.
It's only natural that given the opportunity, schools will fill their ranks with the smartest people.
White people didn't realize AA was for their own protection.

>>10543732
Americans are lazy an immature. First and second generation immigrants are mature and hard working. But hey, don't feel bad about it though. Their kids would be fucked up.

>>10543732
y'all are forgetting that this is also the easiest way for rich foreign kids to get a visa

>>10543732
>Do American STEM graduate students still exist?
No
>Is this typical?
Yes
>Do these students stay in the US after they graduate?
Yes

My grad school freaked out after Trump got elected because a lot less foreign students applied to US schools, and that could cut our funding. Schools have a financial bias to entice foreign grad students - You can charge the shit out of them.

>Rebirth of the american dream.

>>10543732
My physics cohort is probably ~50% domestic students.

Yes this is very typical. My undergrad institution combined our b.s. and grad graduation ceremonies and none of the graduate degree recipients were domestic students.

This does lead to a slight brain-drain due to the amount of students that leave/only take partial or visiting positions in the US,which will (and already has) effect how much of a player the U.S. is in certain fields. Another issue is also the growing perception of STEM fields as belonging to foreign (specifically Asian-national) students which discourages domestic students from getting involved in STEM.

My experience has been fine so far. If you take the time to understand the cultural differences, foreign students aren't really different from us. Some know what they're talking about, some are just there for the ride.

Academia has a large stigma to it, most America STEM students want to go straight into industry and there are plenty of good pathways into that with an undergrad.

>>10543732
undergrad completion rates are something like 60 percent in the US and you're wondering where all the grad students are? have you ever seen a grad school application? the bar is insanely high.

>>10543742
they cheat

>>10544189
Why do you say that?

>>10543974
imagine paying for grad school

>>10544125
>2.5 GPA due to medical issues
>3.5 GPA in my major
>Can't even get a professor to talk to me
Should I kill myself?

>>10544270
no

>>10543789
Other way around, bud. Asians are the ones who are taught from day 1 to grow up to work for someone. Americans are told to "do what makes them happy".

>>10543732
>rack up student debt for 4 more years while being constantly stressed all for only a chance at a better life
>70k entry level job that only requires bachelor's degree
I may not have a doctorate in math but that shit dont add up

>>10544320
This is the case for CS anyway

>>10544270
Don't let what is said on the internet get you down.

>>10544320
I just abandoned my PhD I was about to start because I got offered 75k out the door. If you're over 25 and still thinking about pursuing a PhD you're wasting your time

>>10543742
Thts pretty average mate for an asian. But i guess in STEM a 3 can be a 6.

Current grad student here, getting a masters in Info Systems at a top 10 school for the track I'm in. The program I'm in is massively Indian and Chinese, with a few other Americans in the mix. It just seems really weird how few Americans there are. It is a bit discouraging though that so many Indian students cheat. I'm sure the Chinese students cheat as well, but I have more first hand experiences with Indians cheating. It's a pretty lonely road, especially considering the fact that I'm thinking of a PhD

The non American grad students don’t understand this key levy keeping American grad students viable: Being smart on paper and publication lines on your cv is worthless once American employers, including university departments, realize you’re so fucking socially inept you can’t walk in a building next to your peers without starting at the floor wall boundary.

>>10543789
American Student
>Studies just enough to get a job
International Student
>Studies just enough to stay in America

>>10544202
Have you never taken an undergrad STEM class or something? Everyone knows asian students (including indians) cheat.

>>10543898
>It's only natural that given the opportunity, schools will fill their ranks with the smartest people.
i don't think that's the trend anon

>>10543732
>Be Chinese American studying EE masters

All my classes are filled with chinese fobs and pajeets. God I hate it so much.

>>10544660
>including indians
I dont think so

>>10543732
>Do American STEM graduate students still exist?
Yes, not that many of us though

>Is this typical?
Very, minus the French

>What's been your experience?
It's not really that bad. American engineering students are just as irritating as any foreigners, t b h

>Is this an issue for the future of the American research/science industry?

I hope not. Hopefully it means I'll get paid well when I finish

>>10543732
It's a financial issue. Colleges pick international students because they're ineligible for aid and get deported if they get expelled.

>>10543732
> good STEM student
Good meaning will have a Masters degree in addition to their bachelors with a 4.0 GPA will work overtime and for below market rate.

>>10543732
Why would I want to go to grad school if my citizenship/visa status is not predicated on it?
>politics worse than average company
>can't as easily escape bad group as quitting company
>compensation is shit in comparison
>jump through hoops for shitty reward in dysfunctional system called academia

>>10544545

give some examples of "cheating" , cus i don't see how you can cheat at a STEM exam without being blatantly obvious

>>10543732
imagine the smell

>>10544109

Exactly. Why would I waste my time with a master's degree when the majority of engineering executives only have a bachelor's. CEO of Exxon Mobil has a Bachelor's in electrical engineering and an MBA, no masters.

International students have to get graduate level degrees just to compete with quality domestic undergraduate students. Also, a lot of companies really hate fucking with Visa sponsorship and the cultural differences of international students. The fact is, there are simply enough qualified American undergraduates that fit company culture and don't need sponsorship that a lot of Fortune 500's don't even bother with international students.

If you are an American undergraduate with at least a 3.5 GPA and you're not a social spastic it is very easy to find an internship/full time job with a quality Fortune 500 company.

My internship gives me full benefits, healthcare, 401(k), housing, and I get paid $25+ USD an hour. The company offers ~80% of interns full time jobs post internship. I had no prior industry experience when I interviewed, just some basic undergraduate research and some clubs and shit. The company also has a master's reimbursement program for full time employees where they will completely pay for your graduate degree.

If you are an American and you pay for a master's, you're an idiot. If you get a master's degree, you are signaling that you're a huge nerd who isn't capable of being a business executive. You will severely limit your upward mobility and will never make more than $250k USD a year for your whole life. And you'll be very very lucky to even get close to that $250k figure if you're a mediocre engineer.

>>10544998
what about an mba?

>>10545033
Middle management pre rec

>>10544857
The most notable ones are that during tests, students who were friends with the TA before the class communicate with them privately in Hindi. Just this Semester (we have half semester long classes), it's well known that a few previous students kept their finals to give to students taking the course now. The professor, surprisingly enough, didn't change much about the final, so kids could just copy paste. It's all so tiresome.

Lol how much latin americans there are in your grad schools? From the link I just saw a girl out of 100 people lmao.

>>10544998
Well, in a "micro" or short term scale this is good for americans because you can get jobs easier. But I think it will hurt America severely having so few natives interested in research/stem/ technological innovation. Yeah there are some chinks just doing for the visas but there are also some who are just soaking knowledge and will be back there to apply the knowledge and competing with you.

>>10544998
What's MBA stand for? I'm a foreigner so don't know these things...

>>10543742
shes pretty vile looking

>>10543742
>asian qt
you have some VERY low standarts for a qt anon

>>10543732
I don't buy that American grad students are "disappearing", at least not in the sense that there are less in raw numbers than there used to be.
Developing countries have shit education systems. India and China have something like 2.7 billion people between them and probably less than 10 universities that are actually good.
So you get a flood of graduate students out to every other country that will take them because their own countries can't support them.
The demographics in your department are a problem with India and China (and most other developing countries too), not a problem with America.

>>10544998
company?

>>10545684
Masters of Business Administration
You basically have to have one if you ever want to make real money. A bachelors in STEM gives you a high starting salary but low ceiling

>>10544998
An MBA is a Masters degree

>>10544998
>will never make more than $250k USD a year for your whole life
t. jew

This is a long con by the Chinese. They laugh about this behind our backs. They have state run programs designed to prepare students to get into Western graduate programs. I would not be surprised if this included falsifying CVs etc. How could an American institution possible validate any of it?

The objectives are two fold:
First sap knowledge from the West to ensure Chinese competitiveness
But second, and more importantly, ever chink that gets into a PhD spot, means one less Westerner PhD.

They are brain draining us by displacement, and we are too fucking up our own asses about diversity and inclusion to realize.

America got turned into a country of losers that want an easy life.
they will find any excuse to not apply more dedication into something as long as they get an easy life. when that easy life starts to crumble they will start to blame other people

>>10543732

Chinese spies.

>>10545775
>he fell for the "do what makes you happy" meme
Did you know perceived competence and aptitude in a field is a better predictor of long-term career satisfaction than how much your undergrad self liked the idea of the career?

Reality is that average american science graduates are woefully underprepared and are not very competitive, let alone prepared for grad school. There are some very bright and accomplished people, but those almost always end up at the top schools of their field, leaving 90% of the other schools to either be filled by near-failure of domestic students or a rather well trained and capable pool of foreign students. You know the rest.

>>10544967
Of your cum stained socks. ceiling-stacked piss bottles, and piled over burger wraps? Sorry NEET-kins, it's time you stop the shitposting and leave momma's race car bedroom.

>>10544434
Thank you for dropping out. You clearly had no idea what a PhD program is for.

>>10545806
Americans always blame everyone else for their problems. Its always someone else’s fault theyre lives suck ass.

>>10543732
because honestly most Americans I've seen in my life only want to at least get an undergraduate study and that's it. that or they just get their high school diploma and hit up a college or a community college and enter more technical side o STEM jobs. their parents don't constantly nag them about getting a reputable or high level jobs. while i had to constantly get nagged for why i didn't go the doctor route instead by my parents.

t. electric engineering middle eastern undergrad looking into getting into grad because i find it interesting and cool lmao

>>10543732
Isn't that because their government will sponsorship the tuition while americans have to risk end up in debts?
At the least here you can apply for a master outside of the country and you get a scholarship that covers tuitions and some funds, plus some countries offers private additional scholarship programs.

>>10544434
>tfw jewish-controlled fiat money is all it takes to convince you to give up on research
another donkey chasing a carrot

>>10545848
>perceived competence and aptitude in a field is a better predictor of long-term career satisfaction
go wash dishes for a living then m8

>>10543742
>qt

>>10546027
It's the opposite. I got a 90% scholarship for my program (probably because I'm only 1 of 3 of a minority group in the program ) while all the foreign students need to get loans / pay upfront

Top 10 universities have a lot of foreign students to pay for the poorer ones, this is done because foreign students have to pay the sticker price. That OP doesn't realize this indicates he is either not American or not 18 yet.

Anyway, no it's not a problem and no it's not an issue. Besides the fact that 9/10ths of all graduates are regular ass Americans, American society does not segregate "college" grads from "technical school" grads, as those distinctions do not exist in the US as they do in Europe. Especially with engineering, it is commonplace to see people work up into their position and do night classes. American STEM in general has more grads then jobs, this is a huge and growing problem especially as entry-level IT and Compsci positions are either automated or improved into self-service operations.

>>10543789

That only happens if the chink student is an actual immigrant and not a jetsetter faggot lounging on his parents' money. There's a world of difference between people who pay their own way and those that don't, this is the biggest divide in colleges and it transcends nationality. This especially applies considering the recent admissions scandals.

>>10545973

"technical" jobs are reputable, high-level jobs in America. I'm only a journeyman electrician and I was making about $100k/yr starting because of my Union until I got into a management position where I do drafting for more money. Meanwhile, college grads have to sit through 4 years of classes which they pay for, if not 5 if the school is suffering from capacity problems and forces bell curve grading then get dumped out into a competitive marketplace with little experience.

Again this is a difference between the US and Europe. In America, there is no distinction between "technical" jobs and "reputable" ones. College is literally for everybody, not just people who took the college career track at their highschool.

>>10544645
That explains why most foreign students pursue Masters and PhD

>>10544857
It’s common. Most often I see Asian students sit together and take the whole class time. At the end when the professor calls time and everyone stands up, they talk to each other and quickly change answers.
>>10543732
My feeling is it’s very dependent on the department. At my university, almost all the chemistry grad students are white males. Physics is mixed white males with Asians, and Biology is predominantly Chinese and Indian. No clue why.

>>10545848
No not really. There was a lot of pressure in my family to pursue engineering and it seemed decent enough so I just went with it. As far as undergraduate degrees are concerned, there are a LOT worse choices than electrical engineering so I'm not that bitter with my decision.

If I could go back in time with what I know now, I would have double majored in finance as well as engineering or done something like Finance + Mathematics or Finance + Computer Science. I am only studying math and science to make money and high finance is an industry where you can be making seven figures in your twenties. That's simply never going to happen as an engineer.

But you can still break into Big Business with an engineering undergraduate degree if you get an MBA and make $$$, albeit not in your twenties.

>>10543732
At least we get some asian qt3.14s

>>10544545
>>10545447
This is disgusting, and these indians or chinese always just help their own race.

Exam averages were suspiciously high in one of my grad courses, where about half the class was chinese and the TA was chinese. Hard not to suspect the memes about chinese being cheaters.

>>10546064
And researching in academia isn't chasing a carrot? I'll take the money of the private sector over academia/government research any day.

My signal processing professor went to Harvard and MIT for mathematics and was director of mathematics for DARPA for a time. Public school professors have public salaries. This guy was making mid $150k and he is a genius, hands down one of the smartest people I've ever met. The private sector would pay someone with that intellectual capacity millions a year.

I highly doubt that any newly hired FAANG engineer/computer scientist is anywhere close to this guy's level of brainpower, yet their starting salary is significantly higher than his seasoned career salary.

>>10543789
Actual American student:
>I want to study feminist dance therapy because it's my passion and I don't understand money and responsibility

yeah most to almost all of the students in my program are american citizens

>>10543789
>Asians
I want to study STEM because I want to become successful and help my family.

>Whites
I want to study STEM because I want to work at Google

>Latins/Blacks
You can't smoke the stem. Nigga you cray-cray. Just give me the bud.

>>10544998
engineers in general are not making anywhere near 250k a year unless you mean CS and even then that's only at big companies.

>>10543732
In my experience, women are the primary ones pursuing the academic track in STEM

About 1/3 to half of my CS professors were women and this is at a top tier school. Also, many of the professors were either working on their PhD or freshly received it because the compensation required for a fully credentialed CS professor is extremely high. Why?
>Industry is sucking up all the talent
>The province deregulated fees for international students and CS programs to bring more money in and instead of investing that money in the CS faculty, they just considered it general revenue and it got sucked up into better benefits/pensions for existing staff across all faculties
>The time & opportunity cost required to get graduate degrees is worth less than if BSc grads just spent those years in the labor market
>Nearly all of the R&D and innovation is happening in the private sector, not in the academy

>>10546564
>many of the professors were either working on their PhD
That doesn't make sense. Where the fuck can you habilitate before your dissertation? Do you mean "lecturers", rather than "professors"?

>>10546093
upgrading from Airbrush McToothwhitener

>>10546578
Everywhere, a Masters is the only basic requirement to lecture.

>>10546592
A lecturer is not a professor.

>>10546598
You can be a professor with just a masters

>>10546600
what kind of dumb nigger are you?

>>10546600
goddamn undergrads

>>10546605
Obviously not as dumb as you.

PhD is not required to become a university professor at the low levels. I have had multiple professors (not 'lecturers') that lacked a PhD.

>>10546617
do you go to hamburger university?

>>10546628
University of Toronto Alumni

>>10546617
>t. Trump university graduate

>>10543742
>thinking thats cute
Lmao at your life

>>10545906
Seething chink

>>10544434
26 here, finishing my master this summer. Is doing a phd worth it if you don't want a real job?

>>10544660
I'm a STEM graduate. I haven't seen this before.

>>10546668
That’s a terrible reason to do a PhD. Your odds of dropping out are pretty high if that’s your main motivation.

>>10546668
>if you don't want a real job
So you don't want to work and you don't want to study. What other options would you have besides NEETdom?

>>10545804
>white brainlet trying to cope

>>10546682
>>10546668
If your goal is perpetual neetdom, the best way to do that is work in the industry for 5-10 years, live extremely frugally and invest all the money in index funds. Then you can quit and siphon off 3-4% percent per year from your investments perpetually.

>>10546675
I also like science tho.

>>10546704
It's not that. I just don't want to deal with 'real life' shit like choosing 'proper' clothes, getting up before 12 am etc. (I'm computational)

>>10546704
Until the next market dive annihilates all your assets.

>>10546728
That's why you keep a mixed portfolio that includes bonds so that when the stock market dives, you sell your bonds and buy stock

Long term, ROI on the general market is about 7%

“The economy, as measured by gross domestic product, can be expected to grow at an annual rate of about 3 percent over the long term, and inflation of 2 percent would push nominal GDP growth to 5 percent, Buffett said. Stocks will probably rise at about that rate and dividend payments will boost total returns to 6 percent to 7 percent, he said.”

>>10546351
>And researching in academia isn't chasing a carrot?
No, it's not.

>This guy was making mid $150k and he is a genius, hands down one of the smartest people I've ever met.
How smart can he be if he didn't take the job that pays the most shekels?

white boomer professors being replaced by aggressively nepotistic gen x foreigners does not bode well for the american grad student.

apparently, decades of "progressive" critical theory did not leave us well-prepared for global competition. who'd have thought?

>>10546875
>who'd have thought?
thinking is sooo last millennium

>>10546907

if only. a little more careful thinking in the 20th century would have saved us from this hellish clown world.

Do we 'need' to fill these graduate student spots?

>>10544660
Can confirm this. It's definitely not all of them but a sizeable portion. They are pretty good at it too, last year two of the top students in my major told me that they were getting old exams (off limits) from the people who graduated the year before honestly it made me pretty sad

>>10546926
not necessarily
but what we do need is to fill our coffers
t. university

>>10543732
It disgusts me, seeing all their foreign faces and brown skin. Worse is the smell, usually. And the women are the perfect mix of ugly, useless, and narcissistic to be completely repulsive.

>>10545760
>Developing countries have shit education systems. India and China have something like 2.7 billion people between them and probably less than 10 universities that are actually good.
>So you get a flood of graduate students out to every other country that will take them because their own countries can't support them.

what's the difference between a chinese university filled with chinese people and an american university filled with those same chinese people?

>>10543732
I used to really respect foreigners but now I'm just tired of them. It's blatantly obvious they're just as incompetent as everyone else. Last few years it's been nothing but entitled and wealthy Chinese and Koreans who argue with professors and think themselves brilliant despite being absolutely mediocre in every way shape and form.

I dunno what the fuck is happening to the culture there but it's producing some of the most inflated egos I've ever encountered.

Whites are all spazz autismos with no social skills or older guys going for engineering, Indians are fucking terrible at everything and a whole group of 16 got expelled last semester for cheating on the PHYSICS 1 (retards) final, Chinese and Koreans have taken over.

I have my eye on three students. 1 kid from Norway (spazz), 1 Asian kid with legit potential who lacks confidence, and one older white guy who is never gonna pursue further graduate studies, but is probably an unrealized genius.

>>10546795
Listen man, there's phD in mathematics from Harvard smart. And then there's director of mathematics for DARPA smart. This guy was both.

He knows so much secret shit that he can't visit all of Eastern Europe till this day because the shit he knows is still not in the public domain.

All I'm saying is that if you think researching in academia is for smart people you will have a rude awakening when the real world hits you and your government has you developing military technology and you can't travel freely on the globe because the information you possess has drastic geopolitical consequences if it falls into the wrong hands.

>>10543732

I had no luck getting into a PhD program. I know minorities and females who had less credentials and worse scores yet were selected over me. Its just part of the business. Who knows what the world missed out with this rising tide of diversity? I dont think its that much of a big deal, theyre different but theyre still good thinkers.

I applied my education to business and im doing really well. Being stem is still big dick privelage in real life no matter what job you get and your skillset will help you flourish in anything.

The world needed some smarter service professionals and it wasnt fair academia is hogging them all. Shit i even know stem majors who resort to military and they get treated really well.

It is what it is

>>10543742
dude what the fuck

>>10544724
>t. "oh no, I've been found out"

>>10545767
>You basically have to have one if you ever want to make real money
>MBA

>>10546423
LOL

>>10547261
STEM .mil here.
The skillset has helped tremendously, knowing how to filter, sort, analyze and present data and ideas has been a boon.

>>10547642
MBA's by themselves are pretty useless, almost everyone agrees with that. If you're a nobody and you think that suddenly doors are going to fly open for you because you have an MBA from "BFE state school", you're going to have a bad time. What you're really getting is the ability to network with other industry leaders, if and only if you go to a competitive program.

Most of the time it's just another check box that has to be filled in order to hangout with the old boys at the top. MBA's are archaic in my honest opinion, but a lot of American corporate culture is so who's really surprised. Some companies still won't promote you to upper management unless you have an MBA. A lot of the time when this is the case they will offer to pay for it but it's still a pain in the ass.

>>10544125
Lad, idk what grad schools you are looking at but it isnt that hard to get into a normal ass grad school with a 3.0 and good gres(which anyone can do with enough adderall). Most white people probably just start working adter school and set grad school on a shelf if they ever want to go back. I am about to graduate from university with a bs in mathematics with a probability and statistics specialization, and when the options are either make 60k a year at my new job and the ability to climb the corporate ladder to make big bux while saving money and buying a house, or spend another 2 years getting more debt and starving, I can tell you which route I'm taking. International students typically have very rich parents who pay the outlandish rates it takes for them to go to american university, and grad school prolongs them not having to go back to their shitty non american country. It just makes sense for them. I know if I werent a burger I would try to spend as much time as I could in the best country in the world before having to go back to outloo country or slopeland.

>>10546628
yes

>>10547261
I got replaced today.
I was pretty bummed out about it.
But I think whoever replaced me was probably more happy to get it than I am sad to lose it.
So, whatever.

>>10543742
>qt
wtf? she is ugly as fuck lmao go out,incel

>>10548382
>it isnt that hard to get into a normal ass grad school
>normal ass grad school

I mean that's part of the problem too, you don't wanna go to a shitty program. but if you don't wanna do a shitty program you need to do the following:

>gre
>research experience
>better than 3.0 gpa
>find a program you like
>find a lab you like
>send an application
>multiple letters of recommendation
>interviews

while likely completing your undergrad. now, this might not seem like a lot to you but the thing is that all of these things come along with each other for a certain type of undergrad. if you knew what you wanted as a freshman and got into a lab early then you're likely also getting good grades, definitely have letters of recommendation, can pass the gre, and can manage this whole application system while finishing up your classes. if you had ANY hiccups along the way like transferring in and messing up your class schedule or not knowing exactly what you wanted, or having a lower gpa, or not getting research experience in undergrad, then any ONE of these steps can be missing and invalidate the entire system.

compound all of this with the likelihood that a college kid in the US is working while going to college and it's a very hard task to accomplish for the average student.

>>10546423
I'm not go to lie. That one was pretty good.

>>10543732
Some. All the others either took their bachelor degrees and left for work to pay off their debt or are off getting an MBA

>>10545693
>That index finger stump
I hope that's not your standart [sic] for qt

>>10547108
In my experience, Indians are either very good at what they do or very bad. I’m happy to know more from the former group than the latter. There’s a dude in my graduating class who got an acceptance to Berkeley for physics

>>10543732
How does it feel to know the US tax payer sponsors universities that just turn around and refuse to educate our own populace?

That pic just screams autism.

>>10544660
Where I go its all the Egyptian foreign students.

>>10551267
???????
Universities by in large educate the majority of domestic applicants. This is a discussion about graduate studies, which is and never was about “educating the populace” and more about training academics who have proven their competence through undergrad

>>10543732
>mfw mathematics has become so subspecalized it will take me 20+ years of research in order to produce any research of publishable value

>>10543742
My God, when was the last time you been laid? I would need a bottle of tequila and the whole cart of limes to want to fuck that.

>>10551311
Maybe in Women's studies you have a 90%+ domestic students, but in STEM, you're lucky to have 10% domestic students

>tfw not autistic enough to stare at numbers all day and go into health services instead
never gonna make it..

>>10544660
Asians (not Westernized people of Asian descent) are pretty good at rote memorization ( their entire written languages require it), but absolutely suck at applying the formulas or or stunned when the professor puts a new problem on a test that he didn't reproduce from old ones.

>>10551324
No dude, you made a statement about all students. Enrollment for domestic students is still in the majority in undergrad, from a pure numbers perspective.

But even in STEM, I'm from a top 15 school that has 30% international students. I was a STEM undergrad, and even in the classes with the heaviest concentration of foreign students, it was like a 40-60 splits between foreign and domestic students. Regardless, the top students in my class were usually the same type of character, foreign or otherwise: didn't really hang with the crowd that cheated (people who cheated incidentally did poorly on the exams since our professors draft up questions themselves usually), studied hard, and were a part of really good research programs.

Oh, also, domestic indians and asians are usually the best students among everyone, foreign and domestic. The ones in pure sciences and engineering research are there because they actually really like it, because everyone in this field has long since realized that there are easier ways to make money without working as hard.

>>10551338
Eh, I'm not too sure of this. The Asian grad students I work with when I write papers have some pretty clever solutions to the parts we agree to solve when we split up the work. I don't really have a complaint about them; we go out for drinks on the weekends

>>10551340
>Foreign asians are the best students
They literally cheat all the time and even pay people to go to their general ed classes like english or history. Chinese have a rep of just stealing ideas and their students are no different.

>>10551352
Can I steal this post?

>>10551352
Lol did you just misquote me?
>Oh, also, domestic indians and asians are usually the best students among everyone, foreign and domestic.
>domestic indians and asians
>domestic
Is what I said.

>>10543732
>Computer sciences
>Half is pageet
>other half is dog eaters

Laughably predictable

>>10546423
Kek

How do I find these international students to extort for money?

>>10551662
You have two options
1. Walk into any Freshman or sophmore class in a STEM field, 9/10, they are the one's teaching it
2. Listen to any undergraduate student complain about not being able to understand their professor's thick accent and ask for that professor's office number, 7/10 it's an international graduate student

>>10547108
>Chinese and Koreans who argue with professors and think themselves brilliant despite being absolutely mediocre in every way shape and form.
thats basically a description of millennials

>>10543742

>>10551338
>le Asians can only le memorize XD
>>>/pol/

>>10545973
Pursuing graduate studies in a STEM field is just as respectable as pursuing an MD. It's sad the majority of society doesn't realize this and are too fixated on the "le doctors are so smart" meme.

>>10543732
Want an actual explanation? It's for qualification upgrading.

Degrees from Asian universities are often not recognized/respected in North America, so they will do a Masters/PhD in North America to 'upgrade' their qualifications so that they can go into the North American job market.

>>10546351
Until I read your post I was convinced I would skip college and go the software route, but I'm realizing that money can come and go, but being able to work on technology decades now advanced is its own reward.
What do I do? Do I really need 10 years of higher education to work at darpa?

>>10546564
That last line is untrue, most r&d occurs at government laboratories such as Darpa

>>10546979
>>Developing countries have shit education systems. India and China have something like 2.7 billion people between them and probably less than 10 universities that are actually good.
>>So you get a flood of graduate students out to every other country that will take them because their own countries can't support them.
>what's the difference between a chinese university filled with chinese people and an american university filled with those same chinese people?
American one has better resources and better Chinese students.

>>10547108
What do you teach?

>>10547261
How are you suggesting in business? Don't all the jobs pay like 50k at most?

>>10548189
That's all changing though. The big companies and old boys of tomorrow will come from the likes of YC, a16z, sequoia, etc, all of which hate mbas.

>>10548041
How much do you make? What do your career products look like? How'd you get the job and what was your major?

>>10551242
Which Uni?

>>10551340
What are these easier ways to make money? Everyone keeps mentioning this but I can't think of anything.

>>10543732
Graduate school is just a way to US citizenship; If you can make decent money with a BS or do not work for an employer that will pay for it, there is literally no reason to go.

>>10544545
not science or math please don’t post if you’re not interested in staying on topic

>>10553126
Finance, Business, Nursing
Finmath research can be pretty cool, but unless you're a researcher for a firm, you're not touching any of the difficult stuff

>>10544443
This is well below average

>>10544857
You are clearly under 18

>>10544998
Brainlet, the post

>>10546726
Ok you sound like a faggot who will an hero at 25

>>10553032
He's not wrong you dumb kike

>>10553126
>nursing
Are you fucking dumb?

>>10543898
You guys are so dumb holy shit, almost forgot why I stopped coming to /sci/

>>10553214
I'm not competing with the braniacs in America. I went to public school as a kid lol. I'm just trying to make money. You really don't have to be that smart to make cash.

Most of them paid half a million dollars and went back to their countries with a useless degree. So thank them for keeping the universities alive.

>>10543732
the American educational system is not designed to educate Americans. America is the only place where smart foreign students are given huge stipends, rather than charged huge fees.
This is how it works: American schools make a boatload of shekels selling Americans "presigious" unchallenging bachelour's degrees based on the stellar reputations their schools have acquired by doing top-tier research. The best way to make a profit is to extract the most tuition while providing the least value, so these American graduates don't know squat, therefore the schools use this same reputation, along with some of the money extracted from the Americans to attract the best of the best students, educated in countries that actually care about post-secondary education. These students then continue to produce the top-quality research that's expected from American schools, and the cycle continues.

>>10544109
>this
Most STEM guys I know, mostly engineers, plan on going straight into industry, my department has an almost 100% placement rate, and then picking up a MS when an employer pays them for it, which is what all of my professors did.

>>10544236
Some of them even consider slightly above poverty living standards for students due to the ridiculous costs a good thing.

Imagine having a cup of ramen as dinner every day, all because you wanted to go to a """top 10""" school, lmao.

>>10543742
based and yellowpilled

>>10553197
>business
100k after 10 years is not good money.
>finance
either you're a trader/IBanker who graduated from an ivy league and work 100+ hours a wekk for 100-200k or you're a nothing back office IT monkey making 50k.
>nursing
AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

One more time: where are these "easier" ways to make money? Nothing seems to beat software right now.

>>10553206
t. assumes all south koreans actually look like airbrushed models IRL

>>10553286
which company is this? benefits seems to be disappearing faster than water in the desert.

>>10543732
I'm American born and raised but since I'm a chink I'm pretty sure you faggots would assume I'm some cheating international student too if you saw me on my department's grad student list.
Point is, I don't give a fuck about this "problem", even if it is one. Just looking at the image in that article, how do I know those students are actually international? Am I supposed to just assume not white or black = not born in the US? Fucking ridiculous, though I shouldn't expect any better from the NYT I suppose.
>inb4 /pol/tard gets on my case

>>10554540
Fortune 200 Tech company.

Benefits are not the norm but they still exist. I interviewed with ExxonMobil for an an internship. Exxon as well as the other names in Big Oil still offer employees pensions, on top of the 401(k) and other benefits. Plus those Big Oil pays interns $35 - $40 USD an hour and has a starting salary. This is what the employees I interviewed with were telling me and my friend who scored an internship at BP is making $35. Kind of funny but Exxon doesn't pay for housing for interns. Houston is cheap as fuck thankfully but I lol'd a bit when interviewing.

>>10543732
Got my law degree at one of Europe's best universities and every time I left tthe faculty building I saw nothing but chinks. They don't study law, for obvious reasons, but have essentially taken over all other fields.

>>10554576
but why would I fo that when I can make $50 per hour as a data science intern at Lyft? https://www.glassdoor.com/Intern-Salary/Lyft-Internship-Salary-E700614.htm?filter.jobTitleFTS=Data+Analyst

>>10544434

>>10554613
Exactly. Fuck Big Oil. The job is sole crushing and the money gets outclassed by Silicon Valley.

I'm not really tripping about my starting salary because my SO is trying to break into Big Law. So I most likely will have to settle for a company location were Big Law firms exist, i.e. NYC, DC, LA, SF, etc. Because whatever marginal difference in my starting salary is nothing to that of Big Law ($190k + $5k summer bonus with guaranteed 5-7% salary increase your first 8 years).

>>10543732

This isn't so hard to understand. China has 1.4B population, India has 1.32B population. US has 0.32B.

China and India are both emerging countries where higher education is becoming more and more valuable, but their universities are not as good as US/Europe universities, so they send their students abroad.

I was told by a Chinese student that it's way easier to become a prof. in China with a US PhD than it is with a China PhD. US grad degrees are just way more valuable for them whether they want to stay in the US or go back to their country.

Moreover, from what I've seen American students want to get into the industry as soon as they graduate from their BSc to compensate for the cost of American undergrad education. That is, they want to get their shekels back. European students are more likely to go for a MSc at least as they didn't pay a penny for their undergrad degree.

>>10553101
>American one has better resources and better Chinese students.

but those same students could study in china. and if all these students are self-funded and pay into our system as much as people are claiming, then i don't see a resource advantage in coming here either.

>>10554668
did she go to a T14?

cont. if they contribute a net positive in terms of resources and labor, then they'd have no reason to come here in the first place.


if their home countries are under-developed, but these people have the means to contribute a net positive even in a fully-developed nation, then wouldn't they be more comfortable staying at home? wouldn't they want to help their compatriots instead of traveling to a foreign land? wouldn't they be seen as leaders and pioneers for doing so? i'm not even mad, i just can't get into their frame of mind.

>>10554681
>but those same students could study in china
but why would they, when studying here gets them a better degree and the opportunity to participate in the job market here should they so choose?

>>10544998

As an international student (European, not Asian), I do agree it's way harder for internationals to find a job than it is for US citizens. It's not only about Visa sponsorship, they see it as a riskier hire because of cultural differences, language barriers, and the chance that Trump changes the legislation or you want to go back to your home country. They'd much rather hire an American brainlet over a smart international for any BSc level job.

However, I think you're overselling the chances to become an executive with a mere BSc. Sure, you don't need an MSc or a PhD to pilot the ship (your job is to manage the company, deal with people and make strategic decisions, not to deal with differential calculus), but not everyone can be an executive.

>>10553222
I'm 26 m8

>>10554714

ah, but that's quite different, there is no lack of human resources in america, so their interests then conflict with the interests of most americans. perhaps neither party are really aware of this, but it's a conflict of interest all the same.

very different reality from the "we-come-bearing-gifts" spin that most anons are putting on it.

>>10545906
>he thinks pursuing a PhD is a financially good decision

its okay, i'll enjoy being your manager when you graduate 7 years behind everyone else in terms of real world work experience

>>10544998
You're a fucking idiot. Get a master's abroad where even if you pay the international rate it's still like $5k a year.

>>10554751
If you know how much America makes from the international students , you might want more of them.

>>10546728
if the market collapses your cash's buying power goes down anyway. You are a part of the stock market even if you store your cash under your bed whether you like it or not. Might as well buy government issued bonds at least unless you like your money depreciating

>>10554785

if you say so, anon.

>>10554751
Right, but getting a graduate here doesn't force them to work here, it gives them the *option* to, *and also* improves their prestige and employability back home.

>>10554800

well, it's nice that they have so many options. what about the increasingly rare american grad student?

>>10554707
She is on target for T14, still in undergrad atm. Was chemical engineering for 2 years and kept a 3.8 before switching to Business when she realized law school is what she wanted.

Honestly she will probably go to something like USC or GW and try to get hella scholarship money and then muscle her way to top quarter of her class and bust into Big Law that way. Her practice LSAT scores and GPA are above the median at these places.

Obviously, going to a T14 almost guarantees Big Law placement but if you look at the top 20-25 Law Schools in each case the top ~20-30% of the class still places into Big Law.

>>10554668
>money outclassed by silicon valley
except where the big money is in oil a house doesnt cost 3 million

>>10554776
>$5k masters

What's the opportunity cost of that though? You would be leaving America for 2 years and miss out on 2 years of salary and industry experience. And again like I said, a lot of American companies will pay for master degrees.

But again, most executive positions don't require a master's anyways so if your ambition is high why bother?

>>10553241
No, nursing is just what women who don't want to actually learn any science do to pretend they are in a "scientific" field when they are actually just baby sitting.

>>10554832

Because maybe you want to be a scientist (i.e. solve problems) instead of an executive (i.e. sell solutions to problems that someone else developed).

>>10554847
I'm studying math and science to make money.

>>10554806
Not him, but that has way more to do with opportunity cost and the perception of higher education and upper mobility. Most companies people want to work for do not take kindly to PhD degrees, and the ones that do are research oriented anyway or very competitive. most people, even in stem, generally want to take a path of minimal (not necessarily the least, but nothing too hard) resistance to a good salary. Not many people are truly passionate past a paycheck

>>10553268
Yes. Go back to /pol/ where people are smart like you.

>>10554847
>be a scientist slaving away in a dungeon to get paid 60% less than the brainlet but social manager that presents and takes all credit for your work

>>10543742
I want an asian qt scientist gf to make some high IQ hapas.

>>10554558

I think it's an issue of statistics. Asian Americans are a small amount of the population. Sure, some might be, but I would be willing to be a lot more are foreign.

>>10553091
In my opinion, DARPA is the greatest collection of brilliant scientists that the modern world has ever seen. They are a huge factor into why the U.S. military is so dominant. You tell me what educational background you need to work there.

The way DARPA works is they will frequently give huge contracts to universities or private industry, so if they need a certain scientist with a research position at XYZ school they will just contract that University to develop the tech.

For example, DARPA awarded the Electrical Engineering department at my university $115M contract to develop a flexible display for combat communication purposes a couple of years back. It took so long to develop that by the time the technology was completed, smart phones had been invented, and it was much cheaper and more practical to have active military use their smart phones for quick communication.

However, I was told that about ~3000 US military officers still use this flexible display technology to this day. It literally looks like a pip boy from fallout, i.e. the flex display wraps around a module on your arm. The tech still has niche use in nighttime combat missions because the display uses the same technology as a black and white Amazon Kindle.

So in nighttime combat situations, if you needed to access a display screen for communication purposes, you could do so without casting any light on your face. Where as if your dumbass pulled out a bright smartphone screen you would be taken out.

>>10546378
Cringe

>>10549251
>that list
lmao rip. I don't know if i would go after a masters. But I wasn't satisfied with my undergrad. I also don't know what I want in life. but still I don't have any of that list lmao

>>10554668
Do lawyers really make that much money?

>>10555124
>DARPA is the greatest collection of brilliant scientists that the modern world has ever seen
DARPA is great but this is hyperbole. DARPA is mostly just "program managers" that task the actual research out to other parts of the DoD, universities, and industry.
t. actually works on DARPA funded projects

>>10543732
>A bachelor's degree in STEM already makes you employable
>American companies prefer to hire graduates of American universities
For this reason, there is no incentive for most American STEM undergrads to attend graduate school.

However, if a foreigner wishes to work in America, then it is almost a requirement for them to attend an American graduate school because their bachelor's degree from their country will slightly disadvantage them.

I go to a military college in the US which is 99% conservative and one of the largest departments is engineering. Physics is really small but has an excellent reputation and support.

>>10555816
Did you think people accept 80hr work weeks, being on call 24/7 for international clients and drifting into debt due to retarded law school fees to make 60k, a year or something? Given the amount of money code monkeys make, lawyers don't make remotely enough. Big law essentially turns you into a slave. Overtime on moments notice, high stress, huge amounts of responsibility, arguably the most competitive traditional job in existence. If law firms didn't pay well nobody but a few autists would wanna do this work.

>>10546795
>How smart can he be if he didn't take the job that pays the most shekels?
He is smart enough to realize that working on something more interesting/important is more valuable than a higher salary working on bullshit

>>10548382
Nothing but hot air from a deflated ego. Getting to a grad school is not just writing your name on a coffee mug and waiting to be called for your latte. It's as >>10549251 says: it's a comorehensive output of your achuevements as a graduate. If you falter in any of it, your chances drop disproportionately.

>>10544641
That's still better than the pajeets continuously hitting on every woman within a ten mile radius. And I don't mean the try to be smooth or bad pickup line hitting on, I mean the creepily leering stalker shit that they do that would get any white or asian guy thrown in jail.

>>10544660
The increase in security measures at my university exams (we aren't allowed bags anymore and have to keep our stationary in clear snaplock bags) Correlates strongly with the increase in mainland Chinese students attending my university.

>>10543732
Physics PhD student here.

>Do American STEM graduate students still exist?
Barely. Over 50% of each class I have seen for the 4 years I have been in the program have been chinese students. About 30% are misc. foreigners (usually Indian), and the last 20% (which is around 5 students, at most) are domestic.

>Is this typical?
Yes.

>What's been your experience?
Chinese students, while being generally kind and book-smart, fucking cheat like there is no tomorrow. Their education consisted solely of STEM classes throughout their academic careers, and for whatever reason, they feel the need to cheat on homework and exams. Never trust a chink (academically) as far as you can throw them. Outside of academics, read: research, the chinks are fucking lost. Their inability to think beyond book-problems is evident when they fail to produce any insightful, original research.

>Is this an issue for the future of the American research/science industry?
Absolutely. The chinks that stay are unable to think critically about things they didn't read in a textbook. They cannot think outside of the box. This will become a huge problem for the companies that hire them because their lack of higher-level thought will stifle the growth of these businesses. Not to mention these chink students are typically coached by, and operating as agents of, the Chinese government. One of their goals, aside from getting a good American education, is stealing science and technology from the United States and sending it back to China.

>>10556399
>Outside of academics, read: research, the chinks are fucking lost. Their inability to think beyond book-problems is evident when they fail to produce any insightful, original research.

I've noticed this, but only with respect to mainland China. The wealthier countries in 'greater China' (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore) seem to have a very different academic culture, and a lot more creative students. And, of course, ethnically-Chinese students from Western countries are pretty similar to other Western students.

>>10544189
Brainlet cope
Have sex juan

>>10545693
Posts a tranny. Get your iq and testosterone levels checked jamal

>>10543749
what uni?

were the white girls racist towards non-whites approaching them?

>>10555163
he's not completely wrong tho

>>10543789
No chink that is not the reason you do it.

>>10543732

Of course did you not get the memo?

Whites are just trash garbage so of course everything they built is here to server everyone else now.

>>10543898
>It's settled science that asians have higher IQ's.

Oh is it?

Should they not have the universities that we would want go to instead?

Why do a smarter people have to go to school where dumb people are.

Why are asian nations not superior in every way since they are superior?

>>10544202
Because it is well known.

Also their level of smartness they claim to exhibit does not manifest itself in other ways.

>>10543789
Completely wrong. In China, having a qualification from ANY western uni, no matter how shit, will put you ahead of ANY of the 10,000 applicants who only studied in China for a job. Everything a Chinese person does is about trying to get ahead of the other 1.3billion before the inequality gap becomes too wide.

>>10557384
If chinese are so inherently superior and smarter why is this case?

Why would universities founded, made for and ran by inferior people give them an edge?

>>10557400
In my experience with China, having lived there for 1 year, is that they aknowledge they are still behind the west, however, they are supremely confident that will not be the case for much longer. They still see the American way of life as the standard that they will inherit and carry forward. They also believe that the UK is entirely a mix between Oxford, Cambridge, Central London and Downton Abbey, and that a Master's degree from the University of Bedfordshire is not too far away as one from Cambridge.

>>10555163
dilate

>>10544660
Graduated with PhD about 4 years ago and as a TA proctored many exams. East Asians would cheat, but not nearly as much as the Indian students--they were by far the biggest culprits, and probably the worst at it. Some would even straight up talk to each other during exams to trade answers. I caught one handing their exam over the shoulder of the person in front of them once. The biggest group of western cheaters were the frat boys; they were too dumb to not think that sitting in a large group of men with the same frat shirts wouldn't make us savvy to the fact that they knew each other and therefore were more obvious targets for surveillance. They also had known test banks in the houses; I was the head TA for one of the labs, so I would drastically change the midterm and final every year or so to fuck with them.

>>10549251
>gre
>research experience
>better than 3.0 gpa
>letters of rec
These aren't difficult especially the 3.0 due to grade inflation

Fucking immigrants.

>>10558066
Have sex

>>10558041
What's your definition of research experience? I think that anon is talking about having an actual paper published to your name as an undergrad, not just working in a lab for a couple summers crushing up roots or something.

>>10558093
>actual paper
That's a bit rarer/harder to achieve. It's great if you have it, but it's not an application killer if you don't. Most people don't have a significant publication to their name prior to graduation. Sometimes research doesn't lead to a publication because shit just didn't work out in your favor. Some fields are harder to get published in than others.

Generally (can depend on field), they just want to see that you know how to do things and know what you're getting yourself into. Couple summers or semesters in a half-decent research lab should at least give you a half-decent idea of how to design an experiment/conduct yourself as a professional researcher in your field. If crushing up roots is important in your subject/lab of choice, then 2+ years of experience crushing up roots on your resume will make you an attractive candidate for a PI because you will supposedly be better at crushing up roots than the average graduate.

>3.5 to 3.6 GPA overall, biochem major w chem minor
>letters of rec from multiple people
>will have 3.5+ years of research experience in different research labs including 2 years in the subject I wish to study (organic chemistry) at a somewhat well known lab
>A in every organic chemistry related class I've taken
>other chems range from B to A-
>no papers
>one presentation
Am I good applicant?

>>10554806
The improved prestige isn't as big of a deal since dumb student do what their friends do and smart ones go to industry with the belief that they'll go back to grad school on the company's dime and are then caught in the golden handcuffs of not having to live like a grad student.

>>10554809
>not working remotely from Montana
Found the brainlet

>>10558520
Assuming you don't have some other glaring flaw yeah that's pretty good.

I think it's because "grad school" (without some kind of lucrative professional career track like medicine) is a meme now and basically a scam. They can waste their time all they want.

>>10554488
Imagine stressing yourself on the grueling path of getting into a top 10 university instead of going to your state school, using the internet to learn all the stuff your inferior but mostly adequate curriculum misses, and then producing great research work and BTFOing all the pretentious ivory tower faggots in top 10% of income that can afford that overpriced bullshit.

>>10544660
At my school they busted a Indian (punjabi) cheating ring, where all the students in the group would save and add work to a shared dropbox,

>>10558635
I went from state funded public highschool to my state funded public university. I am on a comfy academic scholarship because of highschool perframce and test scores that covers 90% of my tuition and brings my tuition down to less than $2k a year. I was able to be a part of a REU (Research Experience for Undergraduates) that was federally funded by the National Science Foundation over the summer that offered me free housing and a $4.5k tax free stipend. I learned about the REU by reading the honors college e-newsletter sent to every student at the honors college.

I did this over the summer in between my sophomore and junior year. I was able to leverage this research experience, in addition to a student club leadership role, at my universities fall career fair into a cash money Fortune 200 semiconductor internship. If I wanted to go the academic route the professors I worked with offered me to continue with research full time during fall/spring but I declined in favor of the private sector.

Point is, if you utilize the resources at your state school, you can be prepared for a solid track in academia or industry regardless of where you went to school.

>>10559142
Also I should mention that I was a physics minor when I applied to my REU and I switched it to business immediately after it finished. The professors I worked with told me that my physics minor was a huge factor into why I was even selected for my particular research project in the first place.

>>10557925
>so I would drastically change the midterm and final every year or so to fuck with them.
top kek
i love asking in the exam review "where did everyone get this particular answer from? it doesn't follow at all from the problem. can someone explain it to me?" knowing full well that people memorized the answer to the previous year's midterm.
i also like getting answers to homework problems word for word from the key that i wrote for the previous year.
my uni is 70% white and yet i saw no shortage of cheaters among them.

>>10559150
Why business instead of semiconductor engineering? What did physics have to do with the REU and did they even check to see if you did any physics courses?

>>10559150
Also I should add that I got into a non-flagship state university (UState City) with no scholarship due to my school not sending transcripts. I also have a scholarship to OWU, a basic liberal arts college with a 5 year engineering transfer agreement to WUSTL, CWRU, and Caltech. I'm not sure which I should choose, both come out to about the same price. (around 15k tuition, 15k everything else)

>>10559170
>What did physics have to do with this REU
Nanopore sensor devices and alogorithms was what I worked on. Think sensors that can detect biochemical agents by analyzing the signal produced by ion channels. We worked with artificial apertures in addition to bio-based apertures to mimick ion channel signals. My role was mainly on the signal processing side of things. This tech is also used in DNA sequencing but that's not what I worked on.

I was a sophomore when I applied so at that point I literally only had university physics 1 and 2 finished when it started. They took me on in hopes I would continue researching over the next two years of my undergrad. If I went through with my physics minor I would have had to take an extra 5-6 physics courses by the time I graduated.

Sucks for them but it's a dog eat dog world and I was able to get a comfy internship out of it.

>>10559198
>Why business
It's easy as fuck and it boosts my GPA. I have a 4.0 in my business minor. And honestly the industry guys I've interviewed with seem to like that I have it.

Also I like the idea of FIRE and some of the things I've learned in my business minor have been useful but it's nothing you couldn't pickup on Investopedia.

>>10559198
Wait what was your "main" major?

>>10543732
I get the whole thing with chinks and poos, but what's up with all the frogs?

>>10543732

>computer science graduate class
>3 macs visible in photo

NYU plz

>>10557419
If they can't get into one of the badass Chinese universities, they will try to go to America. If they can get into one of their big four universities then that usually gives them enough networking. The only schools they find better than their big four are MIT or Singapore NTU tier.

>>10546093
She was so hot in WWF or whatever back in her prime. Them legs mayne. Too bad her career ended the moment she started aging.

>>10560213
>>>/g/

>>10544998
Are we going to ignore that this college graduate is bragging about 25/hr lol

>>10560675
80% of this board is in undergrad or in grad school only because they are too stupid to get actual jobs

no where else would people brag that their take home pay is not even 44k a year (not even including state level taxes)

>>10558520
How did you get research experience as an undergrad?

>>10560675
he's an undergrad, it seems. internships are often summer jobs or worst case, short term right after graduating before stepping up to the big boy bucks. That's good money for a summer job in the US, yeah not great for full time.

>>10561914
Ask

>>10543732

You are at a major disadvantage career wise if you are an engineer who goes for a Masters out of school.

1. Vast majority of companies will not give you any salary increases for getting a masters.
2. You have to pay for two more years of schooling.
3. You also lose out on two years of earning income. This isn't the first two years of income you'll make in your life, but the LAST two which is huge.
4. Companies will generally pay for graduate school for say an MBA which is useful for an engineer to progress their career.

I have a coworker at work who slaved away at their Masters and nothing to show for it. It might be rewarding from a knowledge standpoint to know really specific things and do research, but that adds up to ~$400k difference down the road. Tell me what most people would have instead?

>>10545804
But their average IQ is significantly higher than that of white Americans, and there are 6 times as many of them.

There must be dozens of times more chinks with 130+IQ than whites.

>>10546423
cheeky cunt

>>10544700
Go out and get some pussy brooooooo

bump for fob asian qts :3

>>10562017
I would rather earn a bit less money over my career and work on cool research or product design projects rather than be a MS Office Engineer or a PR Engineer.

You spend 40h/week doing your job and much less time spending or enjoying your earnings. I'd much rather be happy during my work time and drink some beers with my friends than be utterly bored during my work time and drink expensive French wine with my friends.

>>10562038
>significantly higher
nice try Chang

>>10543732
Most students are outside America. The best schools are in America. This is common sense stuff.

>>10563858
Why do you assume work is like that?

>>10560200
French system is a mess.

>>10555855
There's a lot of lawyer jobs that pay abysmal salaries. I think one of them is working as public defender or prosecutor.

>>10548382
Attending grad school isn't worth it unless you go to an elite program and it's almost impossible to get admitted to one.

>>10543732
its all a scam to promote capitalist globalizaion, fools !

>>10545906
This, also the foreign grad students are in the top 1% of their country, so they concentrate here. It'd be great if more of them stayed here and worked instead of going back home to build the economies of enemy countries. I would prefer if we harvested the best foreigners and used them to crush our vassals economically.

>>10566269
Tfw can’t speak english and cheat on everything. H1B1 get.

>>10544434
Lol. Get good son I’m making $75k between grants, fellowships, and an RA position. Work about 40 hours a week, but I’m a PhD student so I also don’t pay FICA taxes. Already have a Master’s too.

>>10544998
Ask me how I know you’re a goddamn idiot.
There are technical positions for fresh out of university Master’s and PhD students starting between $130k and 200k, not including bonuses. CTOs tend to have MS or PhDs. Some people get MBAs and MS degrees. There are quite a few MBA/PhD people out there as well. If you’re a great engineer, business economics isn’t that hard to pick up. The problem is most people (particularly engineers) struggle with effective communication in person and via email. Being highly educated but not an asshole about it, and a token minority (Native American, Black, Woman etc.) makes you very attractive for promotions as well.

>>10543732
For the Asians, that degree is their only hope.
Meanwhile Kylie Jenner is the youngest billionaire in the world due to selling makeup products.
Scientists are comparitively poor.

>>10544236
I know a dumbass who went to grad school, became a teacher, and has 100k+ in loans and no rich man to pick her 30 year old cat lady self up.

>>10544545
Indians cut corners constantly.

>>10544700
I'm going to say this even if I get backlash: I only go to white or black male doctors. Americans. Preferably Christian.

>>10544998
Exactly.

>>10545660
A Chinese guy just saved Florida billions of dollars with little pay- he's a professor at the University of Fl. He cured a disease affecting citrus plants.

>>10545806
This is not true. America still has a work ethic that is unsurpassed by most nations.

>>10566771
which tier uni? How do you plan to finish your PhD in addition to a 40/hr workweek? What does your advisor think about you working in addition to your PhD?

>>10567925
and he won't see a cent from it.

>>10567980
I think he's saying his own research + RA amounts to 40h/week.

>>10568354
well then that makes we wonder how he hopes to complete it in a reasonable timeframe. Don't most PhD students work 60hr+ and still have trouble finishing on time?

>>10567905
>I'm going to say this even if I get backlash
stunning and brave

>>10568408
Thanks. Also I'm ok with women. Would not risk my life with a Muslim or Indian.

>>10568347
Yeah, he's a researcher

>>10544545
>Info Systems
>massively Indian and Chinese

Why is this surprising to you? It's exactly the kind of degree that a corporate Indian drone with no self drive or desire to create or lead would get. What do you even do in something like that?

>>10567925
that chinese professor cheated his way through college. an american could have gotten the opportunity to make that discovery but chink took is place.

>>10568572
now anon, this is a safe space. posting such things is dangerous thinking