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Based

>back
you mean for the first time

MARTIAN CIVIL WAR WHEN?
THE SANDS MUST RUN RED WITH EARTHER BLOOD!

>only 2 replies
>basically old news
>stickied
wot

>>10537669
Dated April 9, 2019. How is it old news if it was just announced?

Based

>>10537653
I'll believe it when this survives the next election. It'll get shitcanned by the next potus

>>10537653
>BACK
lol

>>10537653
>2024

Will we even have a country by then still?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxMPWIljoSg

>>10537653
I'm so hyped for this. I can't wait to see where this leads us.

>>10537671
>He doesn't live in the future
Thanks to tacytonic computing I can shitpost in any era in human history.

>>10537671
Pence alluded to the 2024 timeline a couple weeks ago, so even if NASA can't actually meet it, they were pretty much obligated to commit to it at least in words.

>>10537707
Straight back to the 60s.

The Gateway concept seems cool, but this all looks like it's just dick waving. At least say it's toward some future goal, like a moon base or something.

>>10537707
>I can't wait to see where this leads us.
absolutely nowhere just like the last 6 times

Hopefully it's going to be an Academy Grad. Go Navy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_educated_at_the_United_States_Naval_Academy

>>10537729
I hope to God chair force doesn't take over US Space Navy. There's no fucking reason for them to be a separate branch anyway, especially now that every infantry squad is gonna get their own drone support.

>>10537735
USAFA is a christian cult. Did you know that they don't teach evolution there?

>>10537743
More like a golfist cult.

>>10537743
>Gigantic Air Force magic space sword being presented.jpg

>>10537653
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Space Force permanent moon base when

>>10537723
This. Funding gets *cut* after missions succeed, so why would anyone want to make actual progress towards losing their job?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Reminder if you don't get /fit/, you won't be a part of the Founder master race.

>>10537759
what are some zero-g sets i can add to my routine

>>10537653
What's the point? What's there to do on the Moon? Are we getting some mining resources facilities like the one in "The Time Machine"? Is it time to fear the moon breaking in half?

>>10537653
>2024
Isn't SpaceX going to Mars then? Who gives a shit about the moon.

>>10537766
Moon has helium for fusion power and science shit.

>>10537677
Trump will win the 2020 election so the next president won't be in office until 2025.

>>10537677
Nah. You forget that JFK was the one who started the Apollo program, and Nixon ended up reaping the benefits. Nobody's gonna shitcan something that will put them in the history books.

>>10537763
Read the article, the mission directive is all about virtue signalling by putting the first woman on the moon.

>>10537653
AND THIS TIME THEY'RE GONNA FINISH THE JOB

>>10537775
the superior gender

>>10537668
>the duster scum forgets quantity has a quality all of its own

>We will move forward to the Moon, this time to stay. And then we’ll take what we learn on the Moon, and go to Mars.
Guess Mars will be 2040 at earliest if at all.

>>10537775
Well then, seems a small step for the literal space porn to take off from there, completely new market to exploit.

>>10537775
>>10537795
Honestly, unless otherwise ordered I expect crews to undercut crazy political aims imposed on them.

For example, the ships designed for travel to Mars all require a crane to drop both people and cargo to the surface. The landing party will and basket are big enough to have several people simultaneously set foot on Mars. This makes the other bits about who should go first a moot point.

>>10537797
I expect Mars will not be on NASA's schedule. Their hand will be forced.

>back
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>10537653
Waste of time and money unless they intend to construct something there.

fuck nasa and fuck the moon hope the shuttle blows up again

Imagine how things would have gone without the Outer Space Treaty.

>>10537797
The first space porn will be made onboard a SpaceX Starship™

inb4 meme man lands someone with another roadster on there in two months and has them do some donuts

>>10537814
Its not, that's how the Americans will prove to the world that their prism program/ social prediction and engineering system is economically better than China's oppressive social credit system.

>>10537839
>We pointlessly landed on a rock therefore our economic system is better

Nope.

>>10537707
No matter who the pilots are you can be sure that only black wymyn of color walk on the moon :^)

>>10537854
>Trying to insert 2016 YouTube “””skeptic””” canards into a discussion of space exploration

>The president directed NASA to land American astronauts on the Moon by 2024

>>10537866
We already went there decades ago. It’s just rocks.

>>10537721
A moon base sounds nice and all, but a gigantic telescope built on the moon when?

>>10537866
>impeach Trump
We don't give a shit about Trump. >>>/lgbt/ is that way.

>>10537711
Pfft, judgioing from the woy yau tok, yaura usyging a mark 5 taccomp at bast. Stap lyving in da past future.

>>10537653
How is something that's been done already a "challenge"? Travel to another universe, do something. No, Mars isn't interesting. It's just a red Moon that's a little further away.

>>10537902
>t. ivan

Aeiou

>>10537653
>one small step finally done by a human instead of a cis white male

>>10537867
>>10537853
Why do you hate rocks so much?

>>10537908
erbrbrbrbrbrbrb

>>10537899
To put guns on the moon.

thread theme https://youtu.be/FQ26ySnBzrg

>Both phases rely on the Gateway, which will serve as a reusable command and service module in lunar orbit. Initial development for the lunar outpost calls for a power and propulsion element plus a habitation capability to support access to the surface by 2024.

>NASA will soon begin sending science and technology investigations to the lunar surface through its Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS). By the time NASA sends crew to the Moon, many CLPS deliveries will be complete, with the first one happening by the end of this year if a commercial lander is ready.

tl;dr Trump wants to go to the moooooon and NASA won't approve it until they have a plan B in orbit in case something goes horribly wrong. Also, this is basically telling the SLS team that NASA admin is ok with doing Orion on non-SLS vehicles if they don't hit their marks.

I wonder what the XS-1's influence on this will be considering it flies in 2022.

>>10537924
I like rocks, but checking out moon rocks isn’t cost-effective compared to checking out the rocks in my front yard.

>>10537677

Bush Sr made the same prediction in 1990 by 2000 but relied upon the USSR's partnership, this didn't happen when the USSR collapsed in 1993. Bush Jr sort of made the same promise of lunar landings by 2016 but lacked both a vehicle and a lander due to Orion's redesign. Trump has almost everything he needs except a lander and a lunar orbiter.

Birdenstine is the real player in all this since he's the one constant across Bush Jr, Obama and Trump. This is pretty much his project.

The absolute state of the US. Struggling to achieve what their ancestors did for the first time.

Imagine the message they're sending to the world, that US aerospace technology hasn't significantly deteriorated since 1969! Truly a state in decline.

I hope China's autism triggers another space race.

>>10537766
>he believes the timeframes that Elon just pulls out of his ass and never lives up to

you called?

Based

>>10537884
>we
/sci/ is full of retarded liberals who are pissed at trump

>>10537908
snaaake

>>10537671
Pence and Bridenstine formally announced this about a week ago.

Great

More government spending

the collapse of the american economy couldnt come sooner

Fucking idiot Trump taking NASAs attention away from studying climate change.

>>10537994
>>10538007
fuck off

>>10538009
kill yourself

>>10538012
fuck off faggot

>>10538013
NO U

>>10537721
Better the 60s than today!

>>10538007
Climate change is a solved problem: reduce China's emissions. Unless you're willing to go to war over the environment, you're not going to ever push the solution.

>>10537771
I thought /sci/ was the smart board...

>>10537908
mama mia, poppa pia, baby got the diiiiiiiaaaaaaaa reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea

>>10537775
What do you think her first words will be?
Probably something like
>One small step for Women, one giant leap for Equality.
And yes, I know woman should be singular, but she'd probably make that mistake.

85TH for we never went to the moon trust your heart you know I am right.

>>10537653

which director is going to fake it this time?

>>10538069
M'Knight Shamalama DingDong

The twist is, we find dead NSDAP and alien bodies.

We should bring along a Cosmonaut as a gesture of good will

>>10538078
We should incorporate USA into the boot pattern. So any American footsteps on the moon are observable as such.

>>10537959
>the one constant in all this
>bridenstine

You are aware that Trump just appointed him like a year ago right?

>>10537688
>2024
>Kanye gets elected
>Livestream on the moon
I'm fucking ready boys

>>10537653

I want to remind /sci/ that this ambition would never have even materlalized if Trump had not been elected president. Women cannot think about things that actually matter-what I mean by this specifically is that you would never ever have had such a push if Hillary had won (and blessedly, she did not). This is clearly a vanity project of his (Trump's), and that is a good thing. I am constantly delighted in my right voting for the man, and in his deputizing of Pence to see after the space aspiration (may he (Pence) win in 2024, though demographic declien augers ill).

I would above all be delighted to see that the entirety of first batch of lunar landings, literally presided over by Nixon, were followed by a plaqure bearing, among other names, Trump's. Let it be a tacky golden plaque. I even have a suggestion for the next words, since I've spent time thinking about this (it should be a refrain, singing and validating the praises of what occurred before).

"Another small step, another giant leap for all humankind. We return to our Moon in peace." That's what I think, anyway.

>>10537854
My bet is the first crew is four with one black man and one white woman. The woman will be a pudgy little dyke. Mission commander and pilot will be white men, one old enough to have grey hair. Screenshot this.

>>10537775
>not getting put on the flight just to drain your balls into a hot astrothot in zero g

>>10537960
And yet nobody else has pulled it off.

>>10537866
Trump ordered NASA to use coal.

>>10538130
yeah but you don't need women for that, they're sending up Navy guys, right?

23 trillion in debt and they say fuck it build a space force. use it to gain the americans love as they use the tech to enslave and rob people and rack the debt up even higher that starts as some b.s. publicity stunt.

knowing nasa these days they're just gonna blow up the ship again

gullible and naive

>Weeks old news stickied

Fuck jannies

implying

>>10537653
But Alfred Hitchcock is long dead, how will they do it ?

>>10537653
>soon

>>10538134
And even if NASA is lobotomized these days, no other nation has anything like the US' private aerospace industry. Fuck, if SpaceX's DearMoon project stays on schedule (manned lunar free return flight in 2023), they could be on-target to have NASA charter a surface mission in 2024 even if everything else the agency does goes to complete shit between now and then.

>>10537653
Please finance fundamental research for any kind of space colonization first (artificial gravity, ISRU, etc.). Putting some footsteps there and fucking off again because you don't have the tech to stay will be as useless as it was 50 years ago.

I hope this time they will not meme this event by putting a meme flag

>>10538221
they will, anon. They plan on having a station orbiting the moon for continual moon missions

>>10537653
Ok so is it just me or does this picture look SUPER fake......?

Exploration and knowledge never needs a reason
I don't care who puts who on the moon, even if it's Stalin himself, as long as we manage to put a telescope there

>>10538247
super is a understatement.

The Americans might think they were the first to achieve space flight, but they weren't the first, or the second, or the fifth, or the 30th. They were they... 95th. And no, the soviets might have reached space, but before they beat the americans, an english man named Nigel Birtwistle was in fact the first man in space, and he did so in the 1920s using a prototype tank developed by the Royal Navy under supervision of the queen herself.

>>10538265
>a prototype tank
so he rocket jumped into space?

>>10538019
Ah shit

>>10538247
because you can see the stars

>>10538247
are you retarded?

>>10538116
ok

>>10537900
This is some advanced shitposting right here

They said the same thing in 2016

Just wait lol in 2022 when everybody forgets about this, you'll see a news article "NASA going to the moon in 2026!"
Then in 2024 when everyone forgets again you'll see "NASA going to the moon in 2028!"

rinse and repeat for all eternity, it's a scam and fools are falling for it hook line and sinker. Some people are going to donate and support NASA and get no results.

>>10538243
LOP G and the whole NASA architecture is an abortive joke of a pork barrel. They will just end up buying a few BFR seats.

>>10538298
NASA cucks can't even afford to LOOK at the BFR

>>10537735
>US Space Navy
What the fuck are you even talking about

>>10538296
/sticky

They better deliver a shit ton of meteorites

>>10537653
why the fuck is this stickied? It's still just a bunch of vacuous PR.

I'm honestly not excited in the current political client. It is apparent that anything that comes out of this will be underscored by a pressure of virtue signaling whatever demographic accompanies the trip to the moon. Which I will say, I am not opposed to women or blacks or whomever joining the mission, and in fact I welcome it, but I am not looking forward to the progressive propaganda that this will fuel that will inevitably ruin the momentous occasion of the first manned return to the moon in decades.

>>10538354
climate*

>>10538345
mods confirmed for desperate moon landing believers and nasa fanboys

>>10538357
Shhhhh
Let them have their containment thread.
We don't need them at /sg/

>>10537653
EARTH IS FLAT

>>10537775

Oh no! The calamity of mentioning that female astronauts exist!

>>10538387

But the Moon isn't.

>>10537866
>Conquer the Moon
Do Americans think the moon is some foreign empire?

Cant wait for 1 Mission to go wrong and they pussy out of it

>>10537653

That does it, I'll never say a bad thing about Trump ever again. I hope he wins second term.

>>10538404
>Trump doesnt win second term
>New President cancels it

>>10538404

Earth is flat

>>10538422

>>10537721
>it's just dick waving
this

>>10538026
China is reducing emissions more then USA.

Anyways this is fucking pointless since climate change happened thousands of times before humans were ever here. Even if we cause another mass extinction it's nothing new for the planet.

>>10538439
thers no climate change

>>10537908
JOHN MADDEN!

>>10538439
>China is reducing emissions more then USA.
I dont believe this for a second. We are talking about a people that kill off entire species just to get a part for their bullshit medicine. A country that is trying to grow as big and strong as possible as fast as possible. A government that has complete control over its media and can say what ever it wants.

>>10538450
China is supporting EVs and renewables in huge amounts, meanwhile in the US there are still states lobbying to fuck over people who put solar on their houses and make mass efforts to short Tesla.

>>10537653
>inb4 the chinks announce that they just did this

>>10538453
as much as i fucking hate the chinks, this is true, but it's evident that they're only doing it for the profit and not because it's simply the right and better option

>>10537959
>>10537774
>>10537771
I hope you all are right. I'd love to be alive for another moon landing.

>>10538458
Everything is done is for profit, the question is what has the least amount of collateral damage and is actually a good investment. The amount of waste caused by special interest groups in the us is astounding.
>Hey let's write legislation that fucks over millions of consumers and forces them to waste money
>Nobody will vote for that!
>We'll just bribe the senator in our state
>Suddenly becomes "the road freedom act" app citizens must let shells CEO fuck their wife if they own a Tesla, sorry that's just the American way.

>>10537658
>>10538069
Is there something they could do to create absolute proof that they went there when they go this time?
They might as well get rid of the fake moon landing nutcases.

>>10537721
Space race was dick waving and it gave us tons of amazing things.

>>10538450
This has nothing to do with muh morality and environment. They just see it's the future. If your population lives in a polluted wasteland it makes them less productive and happy and unhappy population starts to questing the government.

>>10538450
>We are talking about a people that kill off entire species just to get a part for their bullshit medicine.
maybe but smog is so out of control in china not even the rich can avoid it.

>>10538181
Debt is only a problem when the government wants it to be.

>>10537763
The goal of the new program is to land near the poles and ultimately establish a base or bases.
At the poles there are craters in permanent shadow that contain lots of water ice, and peaks with permanent sunlight. That means you can have 24/7 solar power and convert the water ice into rocket fuel.

>>10538505
so whats the utility of a lunar base?

>>10538482
you can already proof, that they were there the first time
they astronauts installed a mirror on the moon, and if you send a lightbeam to it, it gets reflected

>>10538508
1. Produce fuel and send it to lunar orbit to refuel interplanetary ships.
2. Lunar science and low-G science.
3. Helium 3 production eventually.
4. Beating the Chinese.

>>10537763
>What's the point? What's there to do on the Moon?
LEBENSRAUM of course

>>10538528
>Produce fuel
from what?

>>10538482
>Is there something they could do to create absolute proof that they went there when they go this time?

Live stream video of astronauts painting giant letters on the moon that can be seen from Earth with the naked eye.

>>10538538
they should draw a dick

>>10538534
Water ice. Melt it and run it then through an electrolyzer and bam, rocket fuel.

>>10538543
They already did that on Mars

>>10538528
>Helium 3

How many fucking morons read a Reddit thread about this and believed it was a realistic option?

Also

>Sending a methane powered rocket ship to lunar orbit, using nearly the same amount of fuel as it would take to get to Mars only to not be able to refuel because no one will be using fucking hydrogen

>>10538439
>China is reducing emissions more then USA.

>>10538546
If you can't produce methane you might as well fuck off. Who is going to use Hydrogen? NASAs dead end moon architecture? Lmao.

>>10538551
>>10538557
You can make methane from shit and organic waste.

>>10538551
Helium 3 is a long term future goal of course.
Starship is using methane but other spacecraft could use hydrogen.

Building a Lunar base will also be good for developing techniques to build a Martian base, where the risks will be much higher.

>>10538559
>Bro just make like, a thousand tonnes of methane per rocket from a handful of dudes poop and some plant offcuts lmao

>>10538564
Helium 3 from the moon is a non starter. Do you know the amount of regolith you will need to process using as yet undeveloped refining methods to produce a tiny amount of helium 3? Again did you just read this shit on Reddit?

No one is going to be using Hydrogen on anything other than throwaway probes because it ruins fucking everything it touches, any reusable craft will be using methane. Again do you know anything about this or are you getting information from Reddit?

>>10538552
It's going to be really funny when in 10 years China will be the world leader in green tech while USA still runs on coal.

This is what oil lobby does to USA.

>>10538026
You do realize this applies to the US, a country notorious for dragging their feet on climate policy, as well right?

>>10538566
Challenge accepted!

>>10538589
You don't know anything about China at all it seems. Like completely nothing. I bet you couldn't even find it on a map with labels.

>>10538439
>>10538453
>>10538589
LMAO at your life

>>10538663
Now normalize by population count to get the per capita pollution

inb4 no budget

>>10537759
I have a partially torn ACL and ADHD treated with adderal. Also my fission is short-sighted. Feel like it all adds up to reducing my chances to going anywhere in space and nothing. And so I may have a physics degree I don't actually have a career in sciences for engineering.

>>10538450
> I dont believe this for a second.
Well it's fucking settled then isn't it? Dumbass.

>>10538685
>blatant lies are settled

>>10538676
This. They will restrict their budget even more.

>>10538439
>ven if we cause another mass extinction it's nothing new for the planet
But it's something new for humanity you retard
Life will persist, sure, but civilisation won't have an easy time
Worldwide famine as crops don't get the weather they need, migrating invasive species and disease, increased natural disaster rates, port cities getting assfucked are all consequences that our species won't like

>>10537653
Dumb

>>10538719
Spotted the reptilian.

>>10538630
>world leader in production of wind turbines and solar panels already
>billions invested in green tech

Okay burger-kun.

>>10538685
>Well it's fucking settled then isn't it?
Yep

JOHN MADDEN
JOHN MADDEN
JOHN MADDEN


FOOTBALL

>>10538730
World leader in oil imports and worthless "green tech" exports you mean. Wind and active solar are memes and do not help the environment.

>>10537653
>Back

>>10537668
mark my words, we'll use B-52's, AK's and M2 brownings on Mars.
pic related

>>10537959
>This is pretty much his project.
Until he gets #MeToo'd.

>>10537653
Isn't this just a massive waste of resources or is there some sort of big return on investment that I don't understand?

>>10538482
Flat earthers exist, you can do so much to give proof/facts to some people. Maybe send them there without a suit.

>>10537653
Well fuck me sideways and call me a bitch it's about time

meh while usa is going to the moon europe will be visiting a fucking blackhole motherfcker
>>10538743

>>10538069
They'll just reuse footage from that Transformers movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsjYKySGtb4

Waste of taxpayer money.

>>10539719
What the FUGaeiou

>>10538069
Tarantino

>>10537653
>NASA'S GOING BACK TO THE MOON
Back to a Hollywood studio to shoot more footage?

>>10539813
reminder that the technology to fake the moon landings did not exist in '69

>>10537653
why is it so hard to get back on the moon when it was made 50 years ago? the technology is so much better

>>10540055
of course it did brainlet

>this is sticky
>Falcon Heavy launch thread isn't
>first ever BH image isn't
What the fuck jannies

>>10540114
>>first ever BH image isn't
It was for the announcement

>>10540101
>the Moon was made 50 years ago
El em aay maoh

>>10540124

>>10540109
it didn't, but it's okay, doing research is hard, and you're free to believe whatever retarded bullshit you want

>>10540101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk8vILOaLpg

how can they go back when they never went to begin with?

http://www.unz.com/article/the-moon-landing-a-giant-hoax-for-mankind/

>>10540134
and what part of technology did not exist back then exactly?

>>10540142
sounds like bullshit

>>10540101
Everyone will now be watching with social media

Oh boy cant wait to see what they did to Area 51 wince 69

>>10537971
>Elon states 5 years from now
>cost is "$5 billion"
>delivers 7 years from now
>cost is $5 billion

>Rest of the Aero industry states 10 years from now
>costing "only" $5 billion
>delivers 16 years from now
>cost is "reasonable" $80 billion


REEEEEEE ELON LIE

>>10540176
you don't need to know all that, tech is actually exactly the same as it was 50 years ago, not like you have the internet at your fingertips
you should just keep embarrassing yourself instead with shit opinions

>>10540320
well, you're the one making the ridiculous claim that the technology didn't exist back then...

ugh, all the cool space shit happening today and THIS is the thread the mods sticky?
>First image of a supermassive black hole
>First Falcon Heavy commercial launch
>First flight of Stratolaunch carrier plane, larger than Spruce Goose

>>10540352
>ridiculous claim

>>10540376
the blackhole thread WAS stickied, you braindead pussy. And the falcon launch is in 9 hours

>>10540378
outlandish really
film cameras did exist back then, you know?

>>10538069
Nolan

>>10538450
>>10538552
yeah, sounds funny. It's only true because China is so damn polluted in the first place, so they have more room for reduction.

A reminder that China raided the Oak Ridge laboratory for all the cool nuclear plant designs we were to chicken to develop. They will be selling us practical power reactors within a decade.

>>10538109

bridenstine worked for the GOP in the 00s, was elected to congress in the 10s and is now NASA director. This is all because of his lobbying efforts, for better or for worse.

>>10537763
it is a possible place to put humans in once big corporations ruin this earth.

>>10539524
Unlike the Apollo missions it seems to be about investing in sustainable infrastructure so that regular trips can be made affordably. It would free up nearly all lunar samples we returned but currently have locked in a vault for scientific study and if subsequent surface missions end up with limited scientific use, the infrastructure could in theory be turned over to companies (it seems like it is already going to be partially funded by companies) for commercial use, which could open the doors to the first attempts of space tourism and mining.

Overall looks like a pretty kick ass mission if it can get funded, but only time will tell if it is actually very useful

>>10537653
What a waste of resources just fcking kill all americans already

>>10540449
Preach it, brother. We should use the funding to feed poor niggers instead.

>sending man to the moon in the 1960s
>holy shit this is the greatest endeavor in human history
>we will have to invent shit that never existed before
>we will have to hire all the brightest minds in the country
>it will be difficult, it will be expensive, but with determination we will succeed

>sending man to the moon in the 2020s
>dude just buy a ticket from elon musk lmao

>>10538549
I wonder if the Apollo guys drew any dicks
do we have the resolution to check?

Have you accepted the queen of mars as your new ruler yet?

>>10540477
Thanks for admitting that this is useless apart from making idiots Musk fans go "woah space is so cool man"

>>10538756
>Green energy=bad
>Fosil and coal=good
Totally not a brainlet guys

>>10538116

Hilary being a foid has nothing to do with it because she's a retard who couldn't even convince berniecrats to vote for her.

>>10540523
>green energy
>kills bats
>wastes resources in non recyclable panels
>more or less a scam to get nations to stop developing.

meanwhile nuclear energy

>safest form of energy generation in deaths per terawatt
>3 times less less co2 pollution than solar meme panels
>better than any other energy generation method

>>10538439

>China is reducing emissions more then USA.

they built America's entire coal capacity last year, you must be kidding

>>10537908
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>>10537653
For real this time. It is a good idea if humanity is to achieve colonies of other extra terrestrial bodies such as Europa or Mars. What's more, it would be great if all heavy industry were moved to the moon or elsewhere so Earth can heal and be a paradise again.

>>10539423

He already was and it didn't matter because he was a big bad evil climate change denier, oil industry shill, gay zapper, pretty much everything liberals hate. However, he's there entirely because Democrats use him to wring NASA money from Republicans.

That's his entire job and why he is there.

>>10540637
>colonies of
I mean colonies on

>>10537653
waste of money, space is fucking gay.

>>10537729
Funny way of saying air force

Whats the point though

>>10538129
A black, a mestizo, a goth girl, a cripple, and a mascot/sidekick animal

>>10540508
You need jesus in your life you spawnosatan.

>>10540506
If they were really ambitious with their dick art, yes.

BASED
>>10540716
kys

>>10540770
so we know that they didn't draw any BIG dicks, okay

>NASA
lol can't wait to aee diversity fail again

>>10537669
Not stickied.
>FUCKING MANDELA EFFECT, BOYS!!!

>>10537759

>>10541519
it was just recently unstickied
that's a thing they can do, you know

>>10537902
Last time, we took a look around, then said "Fuck it" and never went back.

A challenge would be to not just go there, but actually explore in detail, build facilities, etc.

Columbus faced a challenge in crossing the Atlantic. That did not mean it was not a challenge for those who came after him to explore, live and work in the New World.

>>10537953
>I wonder what the XS-1's influence on this will be if it flies in 2022.

FTFY

It well may, and I hope it does -- but the future often does not go as foreseen.

>>10537959
>Bush Jr sort of made the same promise of lunar landings by 2016 but lacked both a vehicle and a lander due to Orion's redesign. Trump has almost everything he needs except a lander and a lunar orbiter.
So Trump is in the same position GWB was? So we can all get back to our regular lives...

>>10537987

>>10541544
>Falling for the Caramel Jew's tricks

>>10538076
The twist is, they find Kubrick's film crew, dead.

>sticked, then un-sticked
The fuck is happening?

>>10538078
Late in the Apollo project, when they were brainstorming ways to rekindle public support for the program, that was discussed.

>In some timeline, Fred Haise and Alexei Leonov landed on the moon on the Apollo 19 mission.

>>10538116
Nah, every president announces something like this, and then fails to expend any political capital to make it happen. Hillary would have been no exception.

>>10538172

>>10538247
Clearly CGI.

>>10541519
Shill for the lizard people detected.

>>10538247

How can they go back somewhere where they've never been before?

>>10541544
>Shill for Lizard People detected.

Why dont we use a moon base to launch operation to Mars, You can save shit tons of fuel because you dont need to escape Earths Gravitation.
They just need to find a way to make Fuel on the Moon

can /sci/ figure it out?

boards.4channel.org/wsg/thread/2726211#p2790216

>>10541631
oxidizer on the moon is easy, but fuel on the moon means hydrogen, which doesn't play well with things like storage, or spending time in orbit
need to bring your own methane/carbon to make methane

>>10541635
astronauts had extremely dark sunglasses on to prevent being blinded
that's why their helmet visors are gold

>>10538056
Probably
>Hey neat, I’m on the moon

>>10541631
>You can save shit tons of fuel because you dont need to escape Earths Gravitation.
Bullshit. All you've done is add another gravity well to escape for literally no reason.
Go look up Robert Zubrin and mars direct. He had a mission plan to get men to mars with two launches direct from earth that NASA hated because it didn't stop at muh ISS and they needed to funnel all manned missions through it to justify its operating expenses.
He eventually had to change the mission to include the ISS and it added a third launch to do exactly the same thing.

>>10538399
Helium 3 is the oil of the future

>>10541652
True, if the moon is a waystation for your mission.

If the mission originates there, though...

Admittedly, that advantage doesn't really emerge until you have a working population and industrial base on the moon. But you can't get to that without first going back.

You lads ready for the United Worlds of America?

>>10541724
and by united worlds of america i mean the united lobbyists of america

>>10541724
FUCK YEAR!!!

>>10541746
>>>/pol/

>>10540214
whoever modeled that set is a retard

>>10538069
Only one choice

>>10541832
The U.S Air force unironically did.

>>10538181
>can print money
>can wage war with impunity
>petrodollar

Why is debt a problem again?

>>10540101
>>10540142
We scrapped all the hardware and tooling for Saturn V+Apollo when we switched to STS, which had no lunar capability. Therefore we lost the "technology" to go to the moon.

The same situation happened when we ended STS and started working on SLS. The shuttles themselves were stripped and sent to museums and all the equipment and infrastructure to build and service the shuttles has been replaced with stuff to support SLS.
We lost the technology to send humans to space at all and haven't done so for the last 8 years.

Of course we could restart the Apollo program or the shuttle program, but it would take years and many billions of dollars to do that, and then you'd end up with old technology.
The better option is to develop a new program and new hardware, which is what SLS was supposed to be, except it got fucked by politics.

>>10541846
I was referring to the position of the Earth.
Apollo didn't land at the poles. The Earth was high overhead not low on the horizon.

>>10541589
>then fails to expend any political capital to make it happen
To be fair, with the SLS lobbyists in Congress it'll be hard to do anything for an ambitious space program politically because it could disrupt that contractor cash flow.

>>10541929
also it got fucked by boeing
apparently industry is reluctant to hire people out of Boeing due to the culture at Boeing being horrible and not promoting good work or advancement

>>10541847
Because all it takes for the petrodollar (and the us economy) to collapse is everyone deciding to sell on the open market or switch to a basket currency.

>>10538399
You conquer frontiers though.

>First, we are focused on speed to land the next man, and first woman, on the Moon by 2024
Why not just send the most qualified astronauts?

>>10542185
What's wrong with challenging ourselves, eh?

>>10541971
>apparently industry is reluctant to hire people out of Boeing due to the culture at Boeing being horrible and not promoting good work or advancement
Got a source on that? I mean I already dislike Boeing but thats a whole new level of dumb.

>>10542070
Can't sell on the open market or switch currencies if you get invaded.

>>10542234
a friend, he worked for Boeing out of Charleston
said that every project he worked on ended up killed because he was trying to actually accomplish something there and it turned out, every single time, that nobody used the software he was working on

>>10542247
Sounds like Google. It's not a bad thing. Sometimes you work hard on an experimental product that never gets anywhere.

>>10542256
it was all old shit that they never bothered to throw out, and instead just hired somebody to keep the lights on

they'll cancel this altogether unless the JWST is in danger or something

Believers, what's the unequivocal proof that we went to the moon, the one proof that would satisfy all reasonable skeptics?

>>10542247
>every project he worked on ended up killed because he was trying to actually accomplish something there
I don't understand how that gets a project shutdown?

>>10542296
because nobody used it, everybody who could potentially use it had already moved onto something better, and it was only being kept around because killing it was too much paperwork and hassle and making waves is bad
can't be having people do work now, can we?

>>10542305
Probably needed to be upkept in case of emergency during transition to new software.

>>10542294
>If the Apollo moon landings were faked then the Soviets would've known
>The Soviets confirmed that the Apollo moon landings happened
>Ergo, the Apollo moon landings happened

>>10540101
designing the capsule would be easy with modern electronics and fabrication techniques but you still need a big rocket and all the infrastructure that entails, and NASA has nothing close to the Saturn V right now

>>10542319
well they all got killed, so obviously not
he was just the first person to actually attempt to perform work, he was very salty when he left

>>10542328
if designing the capsule is easy then why is Orion so overweight and overbudget?

Seriously, banned for cracking a joke about women. Mods are literally redit tier faggots.

>>10542359

Because that is the AMERICAN way

>>10542494
Mods are gods.

Cool, ban me for calling you what you are, you limp dick faggot. Imagine being an unpaid mod. My ban will only last 3 days, your sad life is forever.

>>10542701
Calm the fuck down. I got wrongly banned for posting "copyrighted content" even though I never visited the boards where that is a bannable offense, and I didn't get pissy like you.

Go outside. Talk to some people. Pet a kitten.

>>10542735
Blow me you passive loser

>>10542741
Only after a nice date and if you keep it trimmed down there, sweetheart. I'm a classy fellow.

>>10542745
Go back if you want joke police

>>10542773
You're the one throwing the hissyfit though.

>>10542815
Could you be more of a beta male

>>10542825
could you please be less of an annoyance

>>10537751
SOME FOLKS ARE BORN

>>10542832
>anime
Pottery

>>10542861
Go be triggered somewhere else kiddo.

>>10542294
Didn't they leave behind a mirror? So people could shine a laser at one specific spot and measure its distance from the earth.

>>10543411
they left a set of retroreflectors

>>10538026
China, and India. Europe and US can't do it alone.

>>10538056
It will be a really long winded, unfocused, sanctimonious spiel that will go on and on.

>>10538078
If you put a roll of Russian made toilet paper on the craft, they would take credit for the entire mission and say the Americans stole technology from them. And the roll of toilet paper would have holes drilled in the wrong place, and catch on fire halfway through the mission.

>>10540273
>>Rest of the Aero industry states 10 years from now
>>costing "only" $5 billion
>>delivers 16 years from now
>>cost is "reasonable" $80 billion

This is what happens today with the projects started 10 years ago. I think the delays and prices will grow exponentially

>>10538482
You can see the Apollo landing sites through a telescope.

>>10543554
no, earth based telescopes can't see the Apollo sites, but we do have remote imagery of them
I forget how

>>10543565
Maybe hubble.

>>10538482
They aren't really nutcases, they're just part of a clique just like almost all humans want to be part of a special clique. Theirs happens to be based on a slew of poor conjectures, and they'll never leave it no matter how much evidence is produced because the point for them (as with most humans) is not whether or not what they believe is true, but that they get to be part of a club with a bunch of other people.

>>10543661
hubble is a space based telescope and I'm not sure if it can focus on objects that are as close as the moon

>>10537653
They will send a nigger and a woman ain't they.

Thus ends the sticky, youre all fags

>>10538526
>sending a mirror to the moon is the same as men
>implying they just didn't accidentally find a reflective rock and claim they put it there
absolute state of /sci/

>>10541942
>Apollo didn't land
True.

>>10538399
idk what americucks think but building a base in the moon would be a gigantic step in visiting other planets.

>>10538663
That picture shows the pollution index not the rate at wich these countries are reducing emissions.