/sci/ - Science & Math

Here are some of the Brain size and IQ correlation studies he linked me and I believe them so I can't debunk that part of his argument.

http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/Big-Brained%20article.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2668913/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976341500250X

This + The PHEℕOTYPE
http://www.livescience.com/3862-bigger-brains-smarter-people.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJBF_H56Oc

>>10516494
If brain size alone determined intelligence, small dogs would be untrainable, and dolphins would be eating chinese as sushi instead of the other way round. Also women have smaller heads than men.

>>10516494
>How do I show to him that this is a faulty argument
call him the R-word, that usually does the trick when biology deniers run out of arguments

>>10516509
>f brain size alone determined intelligence
He never said brain size alone, it's just one factor.

>small dogs would be untrainable, and dolphin
We're only talking about humans here and all of the studies were done in humans so this argument doesn't work.

The avg difference between east asians and Europeans is larger than the avg difference between blacks and europeans.
Yet I bet he would argue that the east asians are an "uninventive race" and their brand of intelligence is somehow still inferior to europeans.

I really think there is a difference in types of intelligence. For example black people are way over-represented in the creative & music industry and I'm not only talking about hip-hop either. Think rock & roll, jazz, blues, electronic (DJing), techno (rave & warehouse), house (detroit techno)... all started originally by african-americans.

This takes a different kind of creative ability... you could just as well call it "intelligence"....

Link him to the wikipedia article on scientific racism and call him a pseudoscientist, that ought to do the trick.

Actually here's a better idea, link him to the RATIONALWIKI article on scientific racism.
He'd be so utterly blown away he wouldn't know how to respond.

>>10516521
Maybe asians have more white matter, you don't know.

>>10516526
White matter is not what gives rise to high levels intelligence.
The current conjecture is the dendrite complexity and the growth of finer and finer dendrite "hairs" will give rise to genius-like intelligence. This is more correlated with intelligence than brain size and white/grey matter.

Read here: https://sapienlabs.co/dendrite-complexity-and-intelligence/

>>10516536
Nice.
Brain size still explains some of the black white IQ gap though even if it's a small amount.

>>10516536
lol that’s wrong

>>10516542
Sure, but we also can't say if the variation in brain size is genetic.

>>10516509
Hereditarians do not claim that brain size alone determines intelligence.

>>10516542
Lol they also differ in white and grey matter distributions

>>10516494
>argument with some race realist

There's far greater variation within a race than the differences between averages from each race.

>>10516603
>80 quadrillionth repeat of Lewontin's fallacy

>>10516494
Just out of curiosity, what's the standard deviation of that graph OP?

>>10516606
>if I call an objective fact a fallacy, maybe people won't notice

>>10516521
I have to say, I didn't think you were right but I looked it up and its accurate.
I think being creative can aid an intelligent person but do not think that just creativity alone influences intelligence

>>10516494
>Okay so we can all agree blacks have a smaller brain size than whites and asians(pic related)
Do you have a study or what? When was this done and how did they measure?

Don't believe pictures OP.

fuck off.

>>10516494
Your pic related isn't all that meaningful without error bars.

>>10516494
its true that blacks having smaller brains does not inherently mean they are dumber because the ones with largest cranial volume are inuit who are clearly fucking stupid

also, largest mammals such as whales also have larger brains yet they are dumber

the way how you discover whether africans are inherently less intelligent than whites or asians is via IQ testing or by looking at their contribution to innovation. both turn out the same, their IQ test performance is a lot worse and their contribution to innovation is insignificant and in fact when you look at statistics a country with 10 million whites and 10 million blacks is less innovative than a country with 10 million whites so their net contribution is actually negative

>>10516635
look up the studies yourself you lazy idiot. when you are too lazy to look things up yourself and clearly have zero prior knowledge on the topic you should just shut up

>>10516858
Lol

>>10516665
This picture is incorrect, /ck/ gets it's fair share of /pol/ invasion

>>10516867
/ck/ and /an/ are very much in the pink at this point unfortunately.

The correlation between intelligence and brain size is .33. IQ doesn't take only into account intelligence meaning the difference cannot explain the difference accurately. Also IQ has social factors as well no matter what people try to say.
https://childmind.org/article/teenage-marijuana-use-affect-iq/
https://nihrecord.nih.gov/newsletters/2012/06_22_2012/story4.htm
Also remember that High School GPA>IQ when it comes to determining success

>>10516570
Of course we can.
Even black people in Africa have smaller brains while Eskimos have larger brains.

>>10516619
It's obviously a fallacy, and embarrassing one at that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

I thought you people are supposed to be scientists?

>>10516857
>the ones with largest cranial volume are inuit who are clearly fucking stupid
Inuits have the best spacial awareness in the world, this has been studied extensively.

>also, largest mammals such as whales also have larger brains yet they are dumber
we're talking about humans alone here

>>10516871
>unfortunately
How is right wing invasion a bad thing?

>>10516894
>Also IQ has social factors as well
Which is why these studies control for social factors, brainlet.

>Also remember that High School GPA>IQ when it comes to determining success
IQ predicts high school GPA quite accurately

>>10516938
Oh my, somebody publish this post in Nature.

>>10516494
my guess is you were the race realist all along

that false flag tho

>>10516494
IQ is not science or math.
>social '''''''''''sciences'''''''''''''

>>10516945
>How is right wing invasion a bad thing?
I don't care about regular right wing people. It's /pol/ specifically, and their obsession with race and Jews when I just want to talk about cooking and animals.

>>10516946
You're ousting yourself as a /pol/tard OP. There are differences but not enough to go crazy over or start linking it to "blacks do more crime" or that blacks are total brainlets.
>IQ predicts high school GPA quite accurately
You mean moderately. Also What does that have to do with GPA determining success better mostly because effort is a significant variable in it?

>>10516951
why don't you?

>>10516952
>>10516954
>my guess is you were the race realist all along
Hmmmmmmmm.....

>>10516961
>You're ousting yourself as a /pol/tard OP.
im not OP lol
>There are differences
Whoa get a load of this alt right neon nazi

>or start linking it to "blacks do more crime"
But that would be the sane and rational thing to do.

>>10516961
>but not enough to go crazy over or start linking it to "blacks do more crime"
Why not?
Environmental variables have totally been debunked.
Why is race the best predictor of crime and not economic status or % of single mothers or anything else?

>>10516940
Lewontin's Fallacy is that we cannot reasonably accurately correlate an individual's regional origin based on their genetic contents. This is plainly false based on a wide variety of evidence.

However, the idea that the rejection of Lewontin's Fallacy lends credence to the theory of race is also patently false. If we're going to provide evidence for races as a true biological classification, what we need to show is this:
Starting purely with genetic information from many individuals across the world (Key: without any initial presupposition of race), can we separate these individuals into groups which are significantly more homogeneous within than between, and which roughly correspond to the usual sense of race? (White, black, Hispanic, East Asian, Middle Eastern, and a few others)

The answer seems to be no, race (at least anywhere near the sense we usually mean it) has not been reconstructed purely from first principles in genetics.

I'll just leave this here.

>>10516603
that defies all common sense. it's such an incredibly stupid thing to claim. does your diet include lead?

>>10516984
>Environmental variables have totally been debunked.
Have they?
>Why is race the best predictor of crime
Is it? I thought it was IQ.

>>10516990
>Starting purely with genetic information from many individuals across the world (Key: without any initial presupposition of race), can we separate these individuals into groups which are significantly more homogeneous within than between, and which roughly correspond to the usual sense of race? (White, black, Hispanic, East Asian, Middle Eastern, and a few others)
Yup.
See pic related.

Also:
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/variation-within-and-between-races/

>>10517002
You could have done the same analysis for countries of origin within Europe alone, and would succeed. Self-reported Germans will in fact, be genetically German. Doesn't mean they are different races.

>>10517000
>I thought it was IQ.
Nope, it's race.

>>10517002
Your article depends on presupposed subpopulations. If you read what I wrote, that's not what I'm talking about.

>>10517008
>Doesn't mean they are different races.
Now you're just splitting hairs.
They're different population groups and we should be able to go forward and talk about these groups without whining about semantics.

>>10517008
call them what you want

>>10517010
How does your pic demonstrate that?

>>10517021
Okay it doesn't specifically mention IQ, but Education level is related to IQ and it's one of the lowest ones.
It doesn't matter anyway because this data shows education level, poverty level, class etc etc don't explain away black crime rates.

>>10517014
>They're different population groups and we should be able to go forward and talk about these groups
We do... All the time... The groupings can change depending on what you're discussing. But biology won't be able to tell you what groupings are "valid" for all cases.

>>10517033
Even in your own chart there are several predictors that are stronger than race.

>>10516494
You could just admit that he's right.

http://www.unz.com/jman/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/

>>10517040
sorry, posted the wrong one.
Also btw "Urban" basically means black as well.
Look under the beta column.

>>10517034
>But biology won't be able to tell you what groupings are "valid" for all cases.
But it can. We can study these groups based on things like IQ and crime rates etc.
Why couldn't we do this?

>>10517055
>We can study these groups based on things like IQ and crime rates etc.
>Why couldn't we do this?
We can, and we do. Differences found do not define the groups though. Again, differences can be found in all sorts of groupings. Just think about how many ethnic groups are in Africa alone. You think they're all the same because of their skin color?

>>10517053
i cannot help but notice that he has stopped responding

>>10516977
>im not OP lol
Who cares. Either way you dont belong here. Go back.
>Whoa get a load of this alt right neon nazi
Ethnicities do exist, but race doesn't. The point is that the differences between humans outside of sex are insignificant.
>But that would be the sane and rational thing to do.
No because the problems are much more related to non-genetic factors.

>>10517067
>Differences found do not define the groups though.
They show that certain groups are more likely to carry genes that determine specific behavior that we study though.

>Just think about how many ethnic groups are in Africa alone.
But they are all much more closely related than africans as a whole are to europeans as a whole.

>>10517067
no one said all the myriad ethnic groups in africa are the same

>>10517091
>but race doesn't
Modern science debunks that, see this thread.
>The point is that the differences between humans outside of sex are insignificant.Literally all of the data shows them to be extremely significant though.
>No because the problems are much more related to non-genetic factors.
Absolute bullshit, see:
>>10517053

You people will never actually look at the data because you're wrong.
also pic related

Modern race denialists are going to be regarded like flat earthers are today in the next few decades.

I can't wait for all the butthurt.

>>10517096
>Modern science debunks that, see this thread.
No it doesn't. You don't even know how to classify Arabs on race because their no defining line on it. Once you factor in that like 95% of humans aren't "pure", the whole concept kind crumbles apart
>Absolute bullshit, see
Yes and that chart shows that there are separate factors that could also impact results.
>also pic related
Pic related doesn't factor in that blacks get imprisoned easier than whites even if they do the same crime. There are plenty of studies that prove this

>>10517092
>They show that certain groups are more likely to carry genes that determine specific behavior that we study though.
I'm all for identifying those genes. The groups I would care about are the group that has the genes, and the group that doesn't. I don't care to make a group FIRST and then later say which one has the higher RATE of the gene.
>But they are all much more closely related than africans as a whole are to europeans as a whole.
>africans as a whole
>europeans as a whole
See, this is dumb. Why group it like that? There is surely more similarity from Mauritania to Spain than from Mauritania to say, Botswana.

>>10517089
I stopped responding because he keeps changing the data to fit his narrative.

>>10517121
>classify Arabs on race
lol they also cluster nicely using self identified genetic cluster
you're wrong
>Once you factor in that like 95% of humans aren't "pure"
Bro, we do admixture studies to figure that out, it's not that difficult.
>Yes and that chart shows that there are separate factors that could also impact results.
No, they show that race is the number one thing that determines violent behavior, not poverty, not education level etc
>Pic related doesn't factor in that blacks get imprisoned easier than whites even if they do the same crime.
This isn't even fucking true, it's just more propaganda.
When a criminal is sentenced for a crime there are more relevant factors than the crime he just committed. Other variables, such as how he presents himself in the courtroom, and the likelihood that he will commit another crime in the future, also play a role. If we hold these things constant, we see that Blacks and Whites gen the same sentences for the same crimes.

This was the finding of Beaver et al. 2013. In this study, researchers compared criminal’s sentencing time after controlling for their verbal IQ and their self reported history of violence. They found that holding these variables constant completely eliminated the racial cap in sentencing.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913000470

>>10517157
>Other variables, such as how he presents himself in the courtroom
This is considered in those studies.
>and the likelihood that he will commit another crime in the future
Wtf? Is this based on race?

>>10517124
>I don't care to make a group FIRST
These groups have been part of humanity since forever, we're just studying was was intuitively known.
Guess what, human instincts were pretty much accurate.
Africans are typically more violent and have lower IQ.
>Why group it like that?
Why are you pulling the old continuum fallacy card?

>>10517148
>I stopped responding because he keeps changing the data to fit his narrative.
prove it then
>>10517164
>This is considered in those studies.
which study? It's mine shows this as well yet debunks the idea that there is racial discrimination in the criminal justice system.
>Is this based on race?
No, past criminal behavior.
This is the biggest one that the studies you leftists like to spew don't take into account.

Tick Tock race denialists.

>>10517096
>1985
lol

>>10517183
So what?
I thought you guys said cops were even MORE racist back then?
This should reinforce my point.

>>10516494
You lost the argument. Time to rethink your position and maybe accept defeat.

>>10517170
>we're just studying was was intuitively known. Guess what, human instincts were pretty much accurate.
Wew lad. This is a science board.

>>10517192
We studied what human instincts produced and it turned out to be accurate, we used science to study this.

>>10517189
>This should reinforce my point.
explain

>>10516494
> no error bars
> no sample size
> raw numbers not adjusted for body size.
> differences of 2%.
> correlation
Learn how to read data, then talk to him

>>10517176
>No, past criminal behavior.
Oh. Obviously this is controlled for as well. Google it. First result I found:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/?utm_term=.3c5c75a22b61

>>10516494
Have you ever seen 16 cubic centimetres? Protip: take into account how 16 cubic centimetres fails to account for the general intelligence gaps between groups like women vs men compared to (race) vs (race). Take into account the standard deviation in just one race.

All those studies seem to report significant but very weak correlations in general. Significant but weak is often insignificant and weak. IQ tests and any proxies for g are too fucking unreliable to even measure such small gaps in intelligence.

>>10516945
>how is right wing invasion a bad thing
Want to know how I know you came here after the 2016 election?

>>10517189
Does current data not support your claim or something :^)

>>10516494
Stop arguing with data! He’s going to win if you look at data because science is racist. I recommend calling him a loser incel and then blocking him before he can reply

>>10517183
>human nature has changed in 30 years
lol

>>10517245
Shut up smooth brain, it's people like you whites average lower than they could

>>10517157
>lol they also cluster nicely using self identified genetic cluster
you're wrong
The fact that you need self identification means it's not real. Literally any retard can call themselves black because there's no scientific line on it
>No, they show that race is the number one thing that determines violent behavior, not poverty, not education level etc
Do you think it could be I dont know...a combination of factors? Retard
>This isn't even fucking true, it's just more propaganda
Read a book because I'm not explaining basic facts to you

>>10516955
>>10517243
>muh /pol/ is leaking

Leftist ideas only thrive in censorship. That's why the nazis, the commies and so on all censored free speech to the extreme. Did you know that nazis too banned IQ because IQ tests proved that jews have higher IQ than their 'aryan' ideal?

Intelligence has been thoroughly studied and it is a simple scientific fact that africans have low intelligence. YOU are the ones who bring politics into this by trying to ban science and claim that magically every ethnic group has the same average intelligence. You are the ones who should fuck off /sci/ for not allowing actual scientific discussion.

>>10517293
>The fact that you need self identification means it's not real.
actual 75 IQ post

>>10517318
>Intelligence has been thoroughly studied
kek, daily reminder that social '''sciences''' are fucking bunk and completely unreliable by any metric.
>muh IQ
>muh g
>muh dikk
disgusting subhuman.

>>10516494
so far no ones going to help you argue a false point, if you dont know why its a faulty arguements and want to prove it as one anyway, thats a bad place to start. perhaps you dont have a logical reason to believe what you do. Logic first, beliefs second. Not the other way around.

>>10517331
Fuck off with your science denying, idiot.

Studies about group differences in intelligence have higher replication rates than medicine or engineering and almost as high as material science, chemistry and environmental science + geology.

>>10516494
>defending things you don't actually have the data to defend
>giving /sci/ the stupidest bait I've ever seen
Kill yourself either way.

>>10516665
>reddit are the good guys

i don't like this at all

>>10517351
psst, dont respond to bait

>>10517351
define intelligence, the mechanisms that create it and the ways it can be identified and quantified.

>>10517318
>Bastion of free speech
>spamming jew memes 24/7
>any real discussion is instantly derailed
>on constant state of alarm
>raided by discord trannies but can't tell the difference in quality of posts
>cannot sensibly tell apart schizo posters from stormniggers

>>>/pol/

>>10517356
>soviet russia were the good guys
Surely you're joking, Mr Faggot!

I am superior, but demonstrating it is beyond my ability

>>10516494
>all that concern

>>10516665
>bongs
>/lgbt/

Daily reminder that a fucking gene that affects how you experience the taste of Cilantro differs between race. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A FUCKING SECOND.

Race deniers, tick tock. I bet all race deniers are black. Which reminds me, a bunch of blacks on reddit on r/blacktwitter are engaging in something revolutionary. The first attempt at racial segregation on the internet with its expulsion of whites from the board. Black people don't have empathy, and black people are not intelligent, and that's why blacks make these type of threads.

>>10516494
why are you even engaging those arguments? what you should be doing instead is showing him that we are all inferior to the Jew genetically and by every other metric

to the Jew we are the nigger and niggers are also niggers everyone is a nigger to the Jew and there is no difference

>>10517318
>getting shit on = getting censored
kys

>it is a simple scientific fact that africans have low intelligence
stormnigger, they gamed the statistics to get the results they wanted. the same claims you make about climate scientists right?

>extrapolating results from the "draw a man" test given to children who had never held a pencil
>children accustomed to having their faces marked for ritual purposes didn't remove the researcher's mark from their face for the mirror test
>taking samples from hospitals for malaria-infected children (protip: malaria is known to cause brain damage in over 50% of victims)
>private school that tested high IQ: rejected because a private school. a private school that tested low IQ scores: representative!
>samples from a school for the retarded located in Spain used as a proxy for average IQ of Equatorial Guinea
Pic related: high IQ = unrepresentative, low IQ = representative, regardless of study methodology or soundness.
Source:
Jelte M. Wicherts, Conor V. Dolan, Han L.J. van der Maas, The dangers of unsystematic selection methods and the representativeness of 46 samples of African test-takers, Intelligence, Volume 38, Issue 1, 2010, Pages 30-37, ISSN 0160-2896, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2009.11.003
>In light of all the available IQ data of over 37,000 African test-takers, only the use of unsystematic methods to exclude the vast majority of data could result in a mean IQ close to 70. On the basis of sound methods, the average IQ remains close to 80. Although this mean IQ is clearly lower than 100, we view it as unsurprising in light of the potential of the Flynn Effect in Africa (Wicherts, Borsboom, & Dolan, 2010) and common psychometric problems associated with the use of western IQ tests among Africans.

>>10517844
>races have different traits, THEREFORE, they MUST vary highly in intelligence as well and environmental factors have no effect
no real reason to bump the thread if you're just going to make the same arguments debunked 1000 times before.

>>10516521
The difference between Africans and Europeans is huge. The continent of Africa is full of animals. If you disagree, fucking go there I dare you.

>>10516494
if you aren't a Jew you are a nigger now THAT'S race REALism no argument see ya

>>10517408
>cannot sensibly tell apart schizo posters from stormniggers
Even worse, since NZ, they cant even comprehend the parallels between Tarrant and, say, Islamic radicals slaughtering french concertgoers. /pol/ is nearly identical to radical Islam across the board in how they "think", and now killing children to spread their beliefs is OK.
To their credit, I saw a good amount of people calling Tarrant a faggot, but I feel like everyone with any semblance of a brain got the fuck out of there. I will absolutely not be surprised if we see real life 4chan party vans in places like the UK or Australia. This entire site is a fucking honeypot
>inb4 Muslim loving leftist jew shill

>>10517844
Dude what the hell are you on... I know what you're trying to say but you go about it in such an obfuscated way that I doubt you know anything about this subject. The cilantro thing is stupid because it depends on regional cuisines also it tastes like soap to some people across all races.

There's also a gene that makes you sneeze when you look at sunlight found predominantly in white people.
Also known that some genes makes different races more or less susceptible to certain diseases. The infamous lactose intolerance in east asians. Native americans metabolize ethanol (alcohol) poorly... etc etc.

No one is saying there is NO difference between races. All you have to do is look at them and it's very clear that some people have the genes for skin pigmentation and some people don't.

Middle Easterners share the same set of genes for white skin as Europeans - East Asians acquired white skin independently. Different set of genes can achieve the same overall result.

Populations have to be isolated for a long time to evolve unique traits but human migrations occurred throughout history and with something highly conducive for survival like intelligence the selection pressure is highly in its favour.

Again I'm NOT saying there's 0 (zero) difference between the average intelligence between human populations but it's really not that dramatic.

>>10517857
>no no no africans can't be dumb that's impossible ok so maybe american blacks are but AFRICANS AREN'T YOUR RACISTS

>>10517792
nice try but it's true what they say, the left really can't meme
you need to use a more expressive image
a standard format would be a fat neckbeard faggot sitting at his desk, he says the top text in a bubble.
then you use the rest of the image to imply the bottom text
>mom entering the room with a plate of tendies
>a welfare check on the desk
>a syringe and pill bottle on the floor
>a bookshelf with some middle school algebra books and a book about greats of western civilization
>maybe blacked.com visible on his monitor
etc

>>10517889
>but it's really not that dramatic.
>i mean it cant be because if it was my feelings would be hurt :)

>>10517901
>believes intelligence is heritable
>proposes that it's possible for american blacks to have less intelligence than their ancestors
you're retarded even for a stormnigger

>>10517889

>I'm not saying there's no difference but there's no difference

>>10517912
imagine thinking that's what i was proposing. race denialists are such a joke.

>>10517912

Reread what you just said and have a good think about it.

>>10517918
>>10517923
So is that your counter argument?

>>10517905
>greentext
>reals > feels
Put more effort in your posts this isn't /pol/

>>10516494
Probably too late but I'd argue that there are confounding variables affecting brain size such as socioeconomic/nutritional discrepancies during childhood between the groups. Brain size is just one factor of many in determining intelligence. Some cetaceans and birds have more neurons than humans and many large mammals have more voluminous brains, what matters more is processing speed and connectivity.

>>10517862
Yes, you black dumbass. It does imply that races vary in intelligence. Even more so, because a gene for tasting cilantro would not have been strongly selected for in any environment, intelligence would be. And if such a minor gene varies by race, then racial equality in intelligence is a 100% impossible, along with all behavioral trait, because everything is genetics, and only black dumbasses buy into environmental determinism. Your dumb ass repeating that its debunked, doesn't make it debunked.

Genes are the framework, magical environmental effects don't matter if you don't take genes into account. End of discussion. Intelligence is highly heritable. So it varies between race, racial equality is built on a pseudoscience. Show some more fucking respect for your genetics, they are the mechanism that allowed you to even exist in this universe in the first place.

>>10517975
put some more effort into your posts and i'll put more into my replies

>>10517994
But there was no environment or scenario's when humanity was at it's most separated that would encourage or not encourage intelligence specifically. Hell in all environments being intelligent is always a positive.

>>10517918
You can tell he's black. Blacks are prone to narcissistic behavior. All they do is flood any type of threads with the same post, they'll insult you with muh /pol/, then they post stupid shit about how its debunked or post some pretty dumbfounded post like this >>10517912


They need to be reminded they aren't winning anyone over,but promoting hostility towards blacks.

>>10516521

>average difference between East Asians and whites is larger than difference between whites and blacks

This is false though, Singapore, Japan, etc are all in the 105-108 range, Whites in the 97-103 range. Blacks are in the 70-85 range

>>10518007
Get a life.

>>10518011
he's talking about brain size.

>>10518013
Oh my b, this is why I normally just lurk instead of posting

>>10518012
have sex.

ITT a bunch of niggers arguing about whether niggers are niggers

bow to the Jew you idiots

>>10516494
For one, brain size doesn't matter. It's about the connections of neurons. I believe there have even been studies showing that smaller brains are more efficient.

There are WEAK correlations between brain size and intelligence. People who don't have an agenda know this.

>>10516494
I'd also like to point out that IQ isn't technically genetic. People don't actually 'inherit' high intelligence. However, they do inherit the ability to *develop* a high IQ. What truly matters are the conditions necessary to develop this: environment, schooling, nutrition, etc.
Good luck getting a race realist to admit that.

>>10516509
If you use brain-to-body-mass ratio instead of just brain size, the racial differences still emerge.

>>10517889
>No one is saying there is NO difference between races.
Why do you guys have to be so dishonest?
Half this very thread is about denying the existence of races. Leftists love to repeat how race is "just a social construct".

He was right about your kind, even when you get defeated in argument you just go and return to your default idea the day after as if nothing ever happened.

>>10518003
>Hell in all environments being intelligent is always a positive.
If that were true all animals would be super geniuses. It's probably a matter of energy consumption.

>>10518130
true. There's an equilibrium involved. Brain power is not free. As a matter of fact, it is extremely expensive in multiple ways. The first that comes to mind is calorie consumption. The brain, despite weight ~3 lbs, comprises about 20-25% of BMR calories. If a tribe of humans can survive 'well enough', on average, by being smart enough to use basic tools and work together to hunt, the only additional evolutionary pressure comes from climate change or other humans

>>10516509
Where did you get all of those assumptions from?
You should know that the human cerebral cortex is much thicker than any other specie's. This is why we have higher intelligence compared to animals.

>>10516990
>Starting purely with genetic information from many individuals across the world (Key: without any initial presupposition of race), can we separate these individuals into groups which are significantly more homogeneous within than between, and which roughly correspond to the usual sense of race?
Why??
Do you know how genes and phenotypes work?
You have millions of recessive genes with no phenotype showing that is gonna be passed around, while the traits that are selected from may be ascribed to just a fraction of those.
You are basically saying that there is no validity in the concept of race based on the genes that were actively selected from because there are millions of other dormant genes that don't even show in the individual.

>>10517203
>> raw numbers not adjusted for body size.
They're all random samples. Black people tend to be larger than whites and asians so the results should be reserved.

>>10517204
>washingtonpost
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man I'm posting actual data while you're posting tabloids.
My study proves you wrong anyway.

>>10517243
>posting the same cringe image that gets mocked all the time on /v/ and /tv/
>WE HATE YOU
Yeah, a few asspained redditors from /qa/ hate us.

>>10517244
>or something
like I know right totally!!! :^)

>>10517354
Why do you think this is bait

>>10517293
>Literally any retard can call themselves black
kek almost nobody is going to do that and the ones that do account for the small amount of data that doesn't cluster
fuck you people are embarrassing and coming up with all of these dumb excuses
why the hell would a black guy call himself white?
why the hell would a white guy call himself black?
if it happens it's extremely rare

>Do you think it could be I dont know...a combination of factors?
I never said it wasn't a combination of factors. I said race is the number 1 factor, the largest factor.

>Read a book
Not an argument.
You couldn't refute my point.
Try again next time.

>>10517857
>they gamed the statistics to get the results they wanted
Holy shit you people are insane.

>IT'S JUST A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY TO MAKE BLACK PEOPLE LOOK BAD
You people are the equivalent of creationists or flat earthers.

>>10517862
>no real reason to bump the thread if you're just going to make the same arguments debunked 1000 times before.
It hasn't been debunked.
In fact, the genetic basis of IQ have implications beyond just the scope of cognition. It can predict how likely a person is to recover from brain injury, as well as to preserve and recover their cognitive abilities.

>>10517857
>>extrapolating results from the "draw a man" test given to children who had never held a pencil
>>children accustomed to having their faces marked for ritual purposes didn't remove the researcher's mark from their face for the mirror test
>>taking samples from hospitals for malaria-infected children (protip: malaria is known to cause brain damage in over 50% of victims)
>>private school that tested high IQ: rejected because a private school. a private school that tested low IQ scores: representative!
>>samples from a school for the retarded located in Spain used as a proxy for average IQ of Equatorial Guinea
>Pic related: high IQ = unrepresentative, low IQ = representative, regardless of study methodology or soundness.
>Source:
>Jelte M. Wicherts, Conor V. Dolan, Han L.J. van der Maas, The dangers of unsystematic selection methods and the representativeness of 46 samples of African test-takers, Intelligence, Volume 38, Issue 1, 2010, Pages 30-37, ISSN 0160-2896, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2009.11.003
>>In light of all the available IQ data of over 37,000 African test-takers, only the use of unsystematic methods to exclude the vast majority of data could result in a mean IQ close to 70. On the basis of sound methods, the average IQ remains close to 80. Although this mean IQ is clearly lower than 100, we view it as unsurprising in light of the potential of the Flynn Effect in Africa (Wicherts, Borsboom, & Dolan, 2010) and common psychometric problems associated with the use of western IQ tests among Africans.


It wasn't just Lynn and co that did racial IQ tests, countless others have. Also SAT scores can EASILY be converted into IQ and used as data for other studies.

If you deny the black white IQ gap, you're literally denying science.

Even leftists that argue against racial realists have already conceded this point and moved on to EXPLAIN why the black white iq gap exists by environmental factors or whatever.

>>10518124
>Why do you guys have to be so dishonest?
This is their default position. If you ever got in an argument with a leftist, you should know this.

>>>10487328

>>10518003
>Hell in all environments being intelligent is always a positive.
In all enviroments having the ability of telekinesis is a positive too.

>>10518287
Hmm what is this supposed to mean?

>>10517844
Lol so fucking stupid. So much for being high IQ white master race

>>10516665
You totally ignore the best board, /sci/ I now hate you and everything you stand for.

Tell him that Africans have less surface area of folds of the brain which proves they're actually smarter than whites and asians.

Brain size=/=higher intelligence you faggots. Your brain is mainly made of glia and that's where the differences in size come from. IQ is also a meme. It's a test to see the capabilites of the individual for problem solving and finding patterns.

>>10517293
The topic of self reported race vs genetic ancestry has been thoroughly studied. Turns out to be about 80% accurate in some of the most mixed populations like Brazil and Mexico. It's much more accurate in more homologous areas. Take that for what you will.

>>10517912
American blacks are smarter, on average, because most of them have some white raped into them.

>>10517992
Lel just look at the best koreans vs the cucked koreans. The cucked ones are taller, stronger, smarter etc etc etc. Because cuckery is good.

>>10518003
Nope. It's pretty dumb to get knocked up at 14, but that thot will have more offspring than you and that's what matters in the game of genes.

>>10518262
Why indeed. Well it's because they get privileges. Like free school and the ability to say words forbidden to the rest of us.

Whity keeping him down, but he's > 80% white.

>>10518426
>Why indeed. Well it's because they get privileges. Like free school and the ability to say words forbidden to the rest of us.

What? The "positives" of being black are outweighed by the negatives.

>>10518262
>kek almost nobody is going to do that
You're missing the point. The fact that someone can self identify means that the concept of race itself is vague at best. Even the categories aren't clear cut. What race do middle easters or maxicans fall under?
>I never said it wasn't a combination of factors. I said race is the number 1 factor, the largest factor.
But race isnt the actual issue. The social economic problems are more, but are made up of more than one factor.
>You couldn't refute my point.
Like I said, I'm not spoonfeeding you basic info. It's proven that blacks are put in jail easier than whites for the same crime. In fact one of the anons posted a link in this thread

>>10516494
It's not a faulty argument. Admit you're wrong and move on with your life.

>>10516992
Underrated

>>10518449
>The fact that someone can self identify means that the concept of race itself is vague at best.
holy shit lol you don't understand the point of the study at all
read it again before you say such ignorant bullshit
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1828730/pdf/1471-2164-8-68.pdf

>>10518449
>What race do middle easters or maxicans fall under
Not him but to answer your question (because you see the be arguing with a /pol/tard) Arabs are technically part or the Caucasian race. Mexicans aren't a racial group but most people in Mexico are a mix of Caucasian and indigenous American.

>>10518449
>The social economic problems are more
the socioeconomic problems are the smallest factor in the black white IQ gap, race was time and time again proven to be the biggest factor
man you're pathetic

>It's proven that blacks are put in jail easier than whites for the same crime.
But it's not. This was debunked in this thread.

In this study, researchers compared criminal’s sentencing time after controlling for their verbal IQ and their self reported history of violence. They found that holding these variables constant completely eliminated the racial cap in sentencing.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913000470

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Can someone explain the HUGE difference in IQ between Ashkenazi Jews and white people?

Why is the difference in IQ between Ashkenazis and White people. Higher than between White people and Black people?

I thought you guys said "Ashkenazi Jews are just caucasians". If that is true why do they have on average 20 points higher IQ than white people meaning white people are closer to black people in terms of intelligence than to Ashkenazi Jews?

Really makes me think... Does this mean white people are actually inferior untermensch? hmm...

>>10518481
>I thought you guys said "Ashkenazi Jews are just caucasians".
Nobody said that.
Race realists acknowledge the fact jews are typically smarter than whites.

>Does this mean white people are actually inferior untermensch?
Why do you think everyone who supports the theory of evolution is an evil nazi or something?

>>10518484
Because these type of threads always have dumb image macros of black population booming and the average IQ dropping in the world. While that already is happening due to white population growing.

If it weren't for Jewish people white people would still be living in Medieval Castles, having never truly grasped physics and started an industrial revolution.

>some people unironically believe genetically different populations of humans that were separated for tens of thousands of years with different environments with different evolutionary pressures somehow magically managed to have the same level of intelligence and personality traits
How the fuck is this even possible? It would have to be a comic joke of a co-incidence.

I mean, Europe had a period where they aggressively killed all of the murderers for a few hundred years.
Do you honestly believe this wouldn't have had an reduction in the number of genes that cause violence?

You'd have to deny evolution to believe this.

>>10518486
>If it weren't for Jewish people white people would still be living in Medieval Castles, having never truly grasped physics and started an industrial revolution.
Is this a joke?
The vast majority of inventors and scientists were european whites, not jews.
Jews contributed too, but it was mostly whites.

>>10518481
This image is embarrassing.
Is this the best /r/chapotraphouse can conjure up?

>>10516992
Leftists can't debunk this.

>>10518496
54% of global PhD holders are Ashkenazi Jewish. Almost 40% of all scientific nobel prices (even if you exclude economics, peace and literature) has been awarded to Ashkenazi Jews.

Hell the most prominent scientist in almost every single field is an Ashkenazi Jew and all the great scientists are Jewish or have Jewish ancestry.

Newton, Einstein, Von Neumann, Feynman, Heisenberg, Planck, Tesla, Maxwell, Webb.

You can name more and more and more. All of these had Jewish ancestry or were straight up Ashkenazi Jewish. If it weren't for these Ashkenazi outliers pushing humanity truly forward humanity would still be stuck in the medieval era.

Ashkenazi Jews are only 0.006% of the global population yet have 54% of global PhDs, 40% of scientific nobel prices and almost every single historic scientist had Ashkenazi blood.

This small 0.006% of the global population is carrying the entirety of human progress on their backs. And white people are simply leaching off of them like parasites.

And yet you "people" have the audacity to claim as if you are superior to any other race even though you never contributed to innovation yourselves?

Imagine instead of white people we had 3 billion Ashkenazis. How far would humanity have been by now. Would even a single scientific invention be done by a white person in such a world?

I think it's time for white people to shut the fuck up, sit back and let the Jews steer humanity to the right future before you fuck it up some more. Imagine how many Einsteins, Von Neumanns and Heisenbergs were killed by the Nazis.

You're white so we know you don't have the mental capacity to realize this. We don't expect you to suddenly become as smart as Ashkenazis. We're just asking you to stop chimping out and get out of our way while we are bringing humanity towards the next level.

Unlike you we won't genocide you or anything, just sit back and enjoy the ride you absolute white skinned monkey brainlets.

>>10518527
oh god oh FUCK

>>10518527
>Heisenbergs
I don't get it isn't he the bad guy? Why wouldn't we want people like him dead?

>>10518527
Damn

>>10518527
Kek

>>10516945
>How is right wing invasion a bad thing?
Let me put it to you this way: at least the furries never killed anyone.

>>10517902
My writing abilities far exceed my artistic ones, on top of the fact that I had to make it on a trackpad, and its purpose was to get people mad on a right wing subreddit

>>10516494
Your first mistake was arguing with racists.

Racists are killed, not talked to.

>>10518421
qt

>>10518254
If race affects people in the way /pol/ claims, it should pe possible to construct a model that predicts race from first principles.

You know, I think I'm starting to understand Holocaust criminalization, because I wouldn't mind if race deniers and IQ deniers got sent to jail for their beliefs. Anything to exterminate the genes that causes them to deny genes in the first place. They are intolerable, and they only believe what they believe because of far left ideology, and they don't care. They are sick in the head, there is no humanity in leftists, anti-racism is fucking evil.

Honestly, maybe we should increase genetic awareness in people, if people understand genetics more, then the retarded argument used to deny race (hur more variation within then between) would be immediately out of hand because of how stupid it really is when you even understand how genetics works. So many people are ignorant of genetics, I bet they don't even know the difference between DNA and RNA, or what a protein is.

>>10518602
lol stop putting niggers on a pedestal they just become violent and confused

>>10518612
>If race affects people in the way /pol/ claims, it should pe possible to construct a model that predicts race from first principles.

You can.

You can even go smaller, and make predictions based on ethnic background.

And you can even go smaller, and make predictions based on individuals. Because genetics is the framework of all biological organisms. Only communist and left wingers deny this, and they deserve to be tortured for denying this and excommunicated from humanity. How can our species go to the stars if such an evil strain of thought is allowed to persist? That is how much they piss me off.

I'm surprised race deniers and commies don't even deny genetics. I mean, I guess they don't do it because it'll make them look too fucking stupid. Maybe they would have done it back before we knew about DNA. I mean, left wingers are the only type of people to send geneticist to fucking death in the USSR, so that says something about them. But it shocks me they don't. All their bullshit arguments to discredit race can be used to discredit race.

After all
1)Genes and genetics were coined decades before we even knew what DNA was. So it was based on just some guy observing physical variation among offspring. Thus, the concept precedes the science, so genes aren't real
2) What even IS a gene anyway? You unfurl the DNA, all you see is just a really long ling of nucleotides. Were does one gene end and another begin?
3) All attempts to suggest that a trait is associated with a gene are all done via GWAS studies. Essentially just indirect correlations. Correlations not causation.
4)Pseudogenes prove genetics is a pseudoscience
5)Genetics is evil because hur dur nazi, eugenics, and only right wingers could coin the concept of genetics, because they needed a concept to prove that inherentess and hierarchies are normal.

Do you know why animals and babies should behavioral differences despite not being conscious of it? Its cause GENETICS drives their behavior.

>>10518481
>>10518492
>>10518496
>>10518486

Why is this negro larping as a Jew?

A.Jews are also genetically more prone to neuroticism, and this genetic trait clearly causes A.Jews to be more unpleasant to be around with, and themselves. They are so neurotic, and the way Jews act regarding Israel is eye-opening. Yeah, fuck that. Oh, they have a higher IQ......Who cares? I'm more jealous of Asians then Ashkenazi Jews. Finnish people are the Europeans with the highest IQ, but they weren't responsible for all of European accomplishment.

I don't even know what this stupid negro is trying to accomplish, I mean, thanks. You finally understand that genes determine everything, and they cause societal differences between groups. Black people are repulsive to look at, nothing will change that either. You are prototype humans, the distance between humans and blacks is over 60000 years of evolution, and it shows.

>>10518256
>/v/ poster
Return to your reddit containment board immediately

>>10516509
>small dogs would be untrainable
In my experience small dogs are less trainable.

>>10518656
“Black people are repulsive to look at”

Nope. They are more attractive to me than any other race, and I’m white.

>>10518802
Based

>>10518513
>recent history
either way you're still wrong, look at the image I posted and the study it's from

>>10518527
>>10518513
Why do you people think race realists hate jews?

The IQ gap is very easily explainable by the fact that black kids grow up eating Doritos and soda for dinner whereas white kids eat very good foods and have their parents read to them at night.

>>10516990
>tarting purely with genetic information from many individuals across the world (Key: without any initial presupposition of race), can we separate these individuals into groups which are significantly more homogeneous within than between, and which roughly correspond to the usual sense of race? (White, black, Hispanic, East Asian, Middle Eastern, and a few others)

We can do exactly that. Pic related.

>>10518602
>>10517992
>>10517856
>My friend was making this argument to me, help me prove him wrong
equals
>Here's an argument, prove me wrong
Stop bumping /pol/tard IQ threads, or if you must reply, put the word "sage" in the "Options" field so it doesn't bump the thread.

>>10518822
All white achievements have also been in recent history. Technology & innovation cannot prosper except in stable societies with scientific enterprise.
The smartest kid on earth will not figure out shit unless there is a functioning system to pass generational knowledge hence modern achievements are entirely due to this "scientific enterprise", in contrast to the lone genius or polymaths of antiquity which you can easily find white and non-white in equal proportions

>another race thread

Lemme guess, most of the thread is just shit-flinging from retards who think that the child stages of cognitive development just don't exist at all and that genetics determine exactly how you will act in life.

Even if you just claim that potential intelligence isn't 100% genetically equal for all people (which is true), it's never going to create as big of a chance in behaviour as the child stages of growth will. Even dogs require generations of consistant selective inbreeding to produce an animal that will act in a certain way, which all goes away when they're allowed to actually breed outside of family. If anything, even if you believe in race realism, it would be way more realistic to dilute the "undesirable" genetics of races across the populace and destroy their group identity in the process rather than whatever race war mass-culling the stormweenies in this thread are not subtly trying to hint at.

>>10518612
>it should pe possible to construct a model that predicts race from first principles.
It is possible.
You just have to track which genes were actively and/or consistently selected for reproduction throughout thousands of years that are particular to a group of individuals.

>its another "muh IQ" thread

>>10518994
You could just prove him wrong.

>>10518513
>Heisenberg, Planck, Tesla, Maxwell, Webb.
none of these people were kikes though

>>10518513
>Newton, Tesla, Planck, Heisenberg, Maxwell.
None of them had jewish ancestry. You must be on drugs.

>>10519012
>Technology & innovation cannot prosper except in stable societies with scientific enterprise.
Only whites are capable of conceiving societies like this.

>>10518824
Probably has something to do with fractional reserve banking and massive racemixing propaganda.

>>10519172
China and Japan are unstable?

>>10519176
>China and Japan are unstable?
Even Iraq was stable at a certain point, but they needed a dictatorship to maintain that stability.
Only whites are capable of creating stable societies with a high level of individual freedom.

>>10518952
There are studies that show a strong genetic component.

>>10517886
You must be literally retarded. Yes, they see the parallels between Tarrant and Islamic radicals, and in fact these parallels are a good thing in their view. There is nothing wrong with giving literal invaders a taste of their own medicine.

There is quite a large parallel in that Jihadis engage in a realpolitik and are disconnected from the liberal paradigm put forward by the status quo, and so do white nationalists in a certain way. Islamists are the only Muslims being honest about the game that is being played, and in the same respect white nationalists also display that honesty.

>>10518527
That must be why they need whites to survive. Must be why they need to piggy back on white nations to do anything of value. Also, have you ever heard of nepotism? Jews are some of the most tribal people on the planet, and this has been demonstrated in the context of academia numerous times. We dont need Jews. We'd be better off without them.

>>10519169
This.

>>10517886
Their gov't and their media made it clear that they are not deporting the invaders nor pumping the breaks on immigration.
Not only that they are going out of their way to silence valid critiques on immigration and to hide the crimes commited by the invaders.
What else did you expect to happen?

>>10516521
Yeah but it's the music industry
Legitmate talent and innovation aren't well represented in the mainstream

>>10518513
>Newton, Tesla, Planck, Heisenberg, Maxwell,
WE

>>10519025
I would suggest you actually read up on the science before spouting that nonsense. If you're looking for a fairly easy introduction to the realities of how genetic traits influence behavior, The Blank Slate by Stephen Pinker is a fairly politically neutral start (albeit Pinker is primarily of the Noam Chomsky school of thought linguistically he does a pretty decent job of being honest about the political ramifications of the works involved). There are a massive amount of studies cited within the book, and if you have the time it would be worth reading a few of them, primarily the ones referenced during the chapters of the book discussing children and the arts.

If you're not familiar with the concept of a Stochastic process and how variance and expectation values are determined given a probability distribution, a textbook on probability might also help you understand the implications of genetics on behavior (a primarily Stochastic process).

>>10519252
WUZ

>>10516521
>could just as well call it "intelligence"....
Now you just need a way to create great civilizations on that foundation, as well as create unprecedented surpluss of resources, safety, individual freedom, huge life expectancy, etc
That's where it gets tricky.

>>10518477
You're clearly not getting this since you think I'm talking about your study.
>>10518478
>Arabs are technically part or the Caucasian race.
How about you go to Saudi Arabia and tell them that they're white then. See how that goes.
>Mexicans aren't a racial group
They aren't one because race is too vague to properly categorize them
>>10518480
>the socioeconomic problems are the smallest factor in the black white IQ gap, race was time and time again proven to be the biggest factor
No it hasn't.
>In this study, researchers compared criminal’s sentencing time after controlling for their verbal IQ and their self reported history of violence. They found that holding these variables constant completely eliminated the racial cap in sentencing
>posts one cherrypicked study
>claims IQ was the most important despite needing to use multiple factors to "narrow down" the search
So you're telling me whites dont want to admit when they've done anything violent then?

>>10516494
Call him racist and say that he is like hitler, works every time

>>10519258
KANGZ

>>10519262
>They aren't one because race is too vague to properly categorize them
Ironically, white people are literally a hybrid race to begin with. There were distinct races in Europe that eventually merged to form what we now know as Europeans. It's all arbitrary nonsense. The original races of Europe were more closely related to present-day Asians and Africans.

>>10519303
>Its all arbitrary nonsense.
Wow, this has me convinced: I need more brown people in my country to increase the crime rate and reduce social cohesion. Great insight, anon.

>>10519189
what evidence do you have that Japan is an authoritarian hellscape?

>>10516509
Dolphins are probably smarter than most humans right now though anon.

>>10519303
>The original races of Europe were more closely related to present-day Asians and Africans.
Source: your ass.

>>10519303
You are a smart guy right? You do realize that brown person is not a black african right? You do know that dark brown skin originated from a paleolithic common ancestor in Africa right? I mean you see Abos and Negritos with it right? So you think just because it has dark brown skin then its a nigger right? Its not a nigger or an abo its an unknown extinct racial group because NIGGERS HAVE NEVER FUCKING LEFT AFRICA YOU STUPID FUCK.

>>10519312
Only let in the good ones. Problems with social cohesion is on you. Not my fault you spazz out over skin color.

>>10519341
>>10519349
Don't care about skin color. I'm talking literal genetics.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature17993
>For example, my laboratory discovered in 2016, based on our sequencing of ancient human genomes, that “whites” are not derived from a population that existed from time immemorial, as some people believe. Instead, “whites” represent a mixture of four ancient populations that lived 10,000 years ago and were each as different from one another as Europeans and East Asians are today.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

>>10519361
Semantics all "races" today are mongrels of "Races" from thousands of years ago.

How much genetic distance is required to qualify as a race? That being said only an idiot think there is no difference between us and Sub Saharans.

>>10519361
>on you
The Putnam studies would like to have a word with you, beta cuck. The fact is that most whites (read: people who have adequate testosterone levels) prefer to live among their own people.

>>10519361
>Only let in the good ones.
Thats too little to genetically destroy us so they let in some good ones while flooding us with the bad ones then claim the bad ones are the minority compared to the good ones, when anyone who has been around them knows its the other way around. Simply visit a black country and notice how many braindead idiots are allover the place compared to the actual intelligent people.

>>10519387
Love Putnam. He says people eventually get over their irrational fear of foreigners and society ultimately benefits.

>>10519405
>my data says that diversity negatively affects social cohesion
>but lmao just give it some time brah
>I'll bet this is a good thing after all
Okay

>>10516494
im a black and white jewish persian living in germany.

From my experiance Intelligence can be used in meny ways.

It also has alot to do with upbringing.

Most asians have constant pressure from their parents, they have to learn and study while "blacks" and others are offten brought up in a very different maner.

So its more of a cultural thing has more to do with dedication and what makes sense to achive.

Like as example people from the Middle east nearly never go into natural Science but nearly always go for course of studie in the economy field.

So if your Parents dont think that you could ever study something and get wealthy you most likely wont.

Also meny blacks who have a degree dont get taken for the job what also discurages other younger blacks to try the same.

>>10519411
Do you want to cite Putnam or not? You can't just choose the parts you want to believe.

>>10519320
None. He just wants to hide the fact that Europe isn't that great and has only been a global burden for over a century

>>10519361
>haha social cohesion doesn’t even matter just like ignore them :) like why do you even care? it doesn’t matter just be happy :)

>>10519421
which white country are you squatting in while posting this?

>>10516505
>balding mean smart

>>10519320
Not today, but they were before western influence and technology.

>>10519412
>So its more of a cultural thing has more to do with dedication and what makes sense to achive.
Wrong, plain and simply.

>>10519106
We've done it a million times.
At worst, they retreat into logical fallacies or unfalsifiable assumptions
At best, they let the thread die and start another one six hours later
They are as bad as science vs religion threads at this point

>>10518974
I'm seeing greater variance within races than between in that image anon

>>10519461
And Europe was had a feudal society with a many local kings given off little fiefdoms and ruled over the land and its peasants with the blessings of the church and the pope. Vikings went around raping and looting exactly like the tutsi and hutsi niggers killing each other in Rwanda.

West Europe has always been a barbarian backwater compared to the Mediterranean & Near East which has maintained technological superiority for 5000 years of history.

Get the fuck out of here..

>>10519418
Well, yeah you actually can. If his data displays one thing, but then he personally proposes something not directly related to his data (or even an analysis of his data that you question the validity of) you can very easily both cite his data on one topic and question his interpretation of another.

>>10519486
What is this supposed to mean?

Why is this thread on /sci/?

time and time again /pol/ comes here to shitpost, gets BTFO, makes another shit thread, and the cycle repeats
when will you stop?

>>10519778
It shows that IQ is grounded on traits that are not teachable or a result of culture, and that it's significantly tied to your brain's 'horsepower'.

>>10519633
Sure, but the point is that whites created the civilizations that they created without other races taking them by the hand. That is not true for the others.

>>10519259
>sure Micheal Angelo was a great master artist
>but would he have been great artist had he been born to a quadrupligic leper in a small serf town of potato pickers???
>therefore Micheal Angelo is not really a genius
Reaallree meks u thing

>>10517318
>cleanliness and order only thrive in a specially moderated environment
>how do you explain that dirt, disorder and degeneration thrive in free and open environments!!!
Shitposting takes no effort or thought. It signals a flaw of character and mentality, not a virtue.

>>10518270
>It wasn't just Lynn and co that did racial IQ tests
Actually Lynn didn't run any of those studies. Lynn aggregated the data of IQ tests from other scientists. It is clear you haven't even skimmed a single paper, not even the seminal paper which the famous 70 IQ figure is derived.
The linked article presents a mountain of evidence showing that he cherry-picked the studies that would produce the result he wanted. They analyze his data, and they examine his stated reasons for the inclusion or exclusion of each and every study he used.
You faggots always want citations, but when you get one, you won't even glance at it.
Eventually, people stop answering your shitposts, then you claim you're being ignored or filtered.

>If you deny the black white IQ gap, you're literally denying science.
The text you quoted actually refers to the black white IQ gap. What they disagree on is the size of the gap. Did you even read the post you responded to?

>>10518265
This is /sci/. Don't ignore the link to the paper, open it and at least glance at the abstract. It's from the same journal Lynn himself published in.
Here it is again for you: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2009.11.003

It's not a "massive conspiracy", it's a small group of white supremacist academics, mostly American, furiously publishing in the twilight of Jim Crow laws, trying to prove the negro subhuman.

>>10517994
>It does imply that races vary in intelligence
And yet the number of traits that are the same between races dwarfs than the number of traits that are different. Thus, variance in one respect does not necessarily imply variance in another.
>>10518007
>he's a narcissistic black dumbass
Also, please refrain from using logical fallacies to bolster your argument. Thank you.

>>10519903
You are not looking at things holistically. You are saying that being able to play jazz well makes someone intelligent while disregarding the fact that they cannot help the disfunctions in their group that, if left to their own devices, would be unable to produce a civilization in which jazz could be appreciated and invoiced from.

>>therefore Micheal Angelo is not really a genius
Sure, you could say Michelangelo was a genius. But maybe he was just talented. I certainly think he was a genius. He made a remark saying that he remembers every single stroke he ever made. That suggests he had a some kind of photographic memory, or something like that.
But you have to be able to differentiate talent from intelligence, otherwise you might as well call people like Michael Jordan or Leonel Messi geniuses. This is why IQ is important. IQ is a representative of intelligence, not of talent. Inteligence is what it takes to make great civilizations, not talent.

>>10519863
>'horsepower'
*innate 'horsepower

>>10520047
>Inteligence is what it takes to make great civilizations

No it isn't the sole reason.

>>10520047
>disregarding the fact that they cannot help the disfunctions in their group that, if left to their own devices, would be unable to produce a civilization in which jazz could be appreciated and invoiced from.

It would have popped up sooner or later in places with a similar background. West Africans gaining access to European instruments would produce something that isn't jazz but close to it. Especially as contact between them and Euro music increases.

>>10520058
>No it isn't the sole reason.
It's one of the key reasons. I never said it was the only reason.

>>10519443
If by "white" country you mean the United CHADS of America, then UCA is the answer