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Is there any hard proof that Life could form naturally out of chemicals interacting under the influence of electricity and radiation? Why hasn't this kind of environment replicated in a lab scenario ever given rise to simple forms of Life?

Considering the tendency everywhere is for entropy to increase (things to get less complex), isn't it illogical to assume that Life (increased complexity) could form "by itself"? We would need other examples of self-organizing complexity other than in biology to prove that this is possible.

>> No.10507091

>>10507084
>isn't it illogical to assume that Life (increased complexity) could form "by itself"?
no, because "we" exist therefore it happened, and if you attribute it to God then you must also believe that God (a complex being) must have come from something

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10507104

>>10507091
>no, because "we" exist therefore it happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
>and if you attribute it to God then you must also believe that God (a complex being) must have come from something
I'm agnostic, used to be atheist until I studied Biochemistry and got BTFO at how beautifully structured and genius Life systems are. If evolution created all of this, it just goes to show you how amazing reality and the universe is, that it could create all of this on its own. If some kind of advanced consciousness created it, it goes to show you how insanely intelligent that consciousness is or was.

>> No.10507124

>>10507084
>the tendency everywhere
No, that tendency IN CLOSED SYSTEMS etc etc read a fucking book.

When you think thermodynamics contradicts the existence of life, you throw out the epistemology of thermodynamics first. Then you consider why your assumptions were shit.

>> No.10507138

>>10507084
>Is there any hard proof that Life could form naturally out of chemicals interacting under the influence of electricity and radiation
No.
>Considering the tendency everywhere is for entropy to increase (things to get less complex), isn't it illogical to assume that Life (increased complexity) could form "by itself"? We would need other examples of self-organizing complexity other than in biology to prove that this is possible.
Shut up.

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10507143

>>10507124
>IN CLOSED SYSTEMS
The universe/multiverse is a closed system. Since "everywhere" is a closed system, your point is completely illogical and retarded.
>>10507138
Brainlet response

>> No.10507156

>>10507104
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
its not a fallacy, our existence is proof that a form of structure came from entropy or otherwise a being who would have as well, based on what we understand

>> No.10507181

>>10507156
>>10507143
>>10507138
>>10507124
>>10507091
>>10507084
https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/sciencecommunication/2012/09/21/hydrothermal-vents-origin-of-life/

>> No.10507207

>>10507143
Empirical observation of a cosmic closed system has yet to occur.

>> No.10507388

>>10507084
>Considering the tendency everywhere is for entropy to increase
Life is a "force" whose property is to _increase_ the complexity of its surrounding environment.

>> No.10507754

>>10507104
>NADT+
Why is the plus sign there? This isn't even a molecule.

>> No.10508545

>>10507084
>Why hasn't this kind of environment replicated in a lab scenario ever given rise to simple forms of Life?
Well, do you think the scientists would be alive by the time stuff started happening?