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So, let's say copenhagen is right, and the quantum wave function collapses when a conscious observer is present.
The big bang is flawed, but WMAP and CMBR tell us that all things come from a single point in space.
so, for matter to exist before the universe gave way to consciousness, it means that an observer was present at the time of the creation of the universe.
so copenhagen interpretation requires a conscious observer at all times for matter to exist, or forces to interact with the universe.
therefore proving fundamental creationist ideology

now, let's say he's wrong - pilot wave / ether is proven right.
this would mean there is no need for a creator.
all physics makes sense, unified field theory can finally be laid to rest.

am i wrong in thinking this might be the case?

>> No.10500791

>>10500761
Yes. Both of your assumptions are wrong.

>> No.10500840

>>10500791
explain or stfu faggot.

>> No.10500844

Bro,U retarded but in a good way

>> No.10500850

>>10500761
>So, let's say copenhagen is right, and the quantum wave function collapses when a conscious observer is present.

Nope. It’s due to interaction.

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>>10500840
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9cgBF6BQ2TRB3Hy4E/and-the-winner-is-many-worlds

>> No.10500913

>>10500761
>QUANTUM
>CONSIOUSNESS
>THREAD
Based

>> No.10500918

>>10500761
That's not what Copenhagen says
>>10500864
Lesswrong is for Pseudo intellectuals

>> No.10501351

>>10500761
>The big bang is flawed
No

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>>10500761
The "big bang" was the moment that God's undivided white causal light, which is conscious and all things, acquired polarity. There is only one thing, which at that moment attained two states: still light and motional light.

>> No.10501402

>>10501390
a tranny furry schizo? yikes

>> No.10501484

>>10500761
Both are flawed. Copenhagen doesn't want us to think about the consciousness problem or the problem of what collapse means. Pilot wave is dumb theory that requires some hidden variable, a ftl way to transmit information from one space to another to explain the entanglement, its basically a bandaid classical mechanical way to explain QM but doesn't work out properly.

Just go with MWI that's the proper way to read QM and only requires simple wavefunction to explain QM.

>> No.10501861

>>10501484
many worlds is the worst shit ever and frankly doesn't even make sense, which is like the most basic property an interpretation should have.

>> No.10502024

>>10501484
There is no “consciousness problem”. That’s a popular misinterpretation of wave function collapse peddled by ignorant people and woo-merchants

>> No.10502445

>>10501861

I don't get how it doesn't make sense, it's not incompatible with our experience of the world.

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