/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>10498498
IT IS I, PYTHAGORAS ! WHO IS SMARTER !

>>10498498
Christopher Langan

I have had multiple girlfriends in the past, present and future.

clearly tesla has a superior intelect

>>10498507
based beard.
mega-IQ confirmed.

It's ya boy

lil minecart

>>10498498
https://youtu.be/fJltiCjPeMA?t=141

Over 7 billion of them.

>>10499122
Newton comes nowhere near a top 10 all time. Dude was a christ worshiper and whose work in physics was literally motivated to prove that God exists. Also, like half of his work is on alchemy.

>>10499212
>Dude was a christ worshiper
Not defending Newton, but this is irrelevant. Maxwell was a Christian too, and was extremely smart.

>>10499228
Not to Newton level degrees. I didn't mean to imply that anyone who believes in God isn't intelligent, just that Newton's only desire was for God. Dude was spooked beyond all known levels.

>>10499209
/thread

>>10499242
Is it possible Newton was more afraid of the Church, especially since he was dabbling in heresy with his work on how the world works? He may have been very sensitive to make sure what he said was couched in religious terms so it would be acceptable to the Church lest his career got ruined. Just a thought.

>>10499212
>>10499242
Clearly his faith gave him a transcendental level of intuition, and I say that as an atheist

>>10499242
>Newton's only desire was for God.
This is marker of being a true big brain though, not just an autist human calculator. To become closer to God is purest motivation a human can aspire to.

>>10499182
I saw a local article about that kid. Guess he's a math prodigy or some shit.

>>10499311
cringe

>>10499343
What is a higher motivation? What use is all the technology in the world if that power isn't used to enrich your soul? What else are you looking for?

>>10499242
>Newton's only desire was for God
And that is exactly why he was the smartest.

>>10499374
benefiting the future of humanity. because, like, you know, humans actually exist, and they will appreciate you for contributing rather than being a selfish cunt obsessed with fairy tales

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>>10498498
he's dead lol

>>10499387
Based

>>10499387
What do you think desire for God is if not that? There is great value to be found in myth and fairytale, even if it can't be quantified. Working for the benefit of mankind without selfishness is quite literally "doing God's work" anon.

>>10499387
Humanists can fuck off.
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>>10499514
Calvin was a main theologist of this topic. The issue comes down to whether theologically it is better to “do good works” or to have “faith alone.”

my perspective is that faith is worth jack shit, good works are what one should value in life, and if god exists (which i see no evidence of) he should at least put my good works into his heaven equation

>>10499259
I think this was definitely true for plenty of people, but just from reading some of Newton's work and intention and followers like Clarke, it just seems like he was super-committed to God.
Maybe the other anons are right though, maybe his God-drive was what activated his genius gene (and his thousands of hours working on alchemy keke).

>>10499563
Doing good works is clearly superior. Faith without action is not faith, but the desire for faith. Framing the question in this way is problematic I think, as you are trying to weigh sources of value (reward in this life and reward after death) that are fundamentally disparite. Faith in God to me means faith that "good" has value at all outside some base hedonistic framework (I want to feel pleasure and avoid pain). So on one hand I totally agree with you. On the other, the idea that faith is worth jack shit seems foolish. Whether it is faith in God or anything else, you have faith that "good" and "truth" are real and worth working for. You see faith as an obsticle to that end, I see it as the only way to get there. If you truly don't believe in any sort of higher power why do you put any stock in the experience of others above your own?

>>10499600
honestly i'm done with the theology argument. in fact that's against the rules here.... but just to answer your question:
>If you truly don't believe in any sort of higher power why do you put any stock in the experience of others above your own?
i'm not sure i do. in fact i think scientists are the best at not taking claims at face value, but instead analyzing the logic involved and making sure it clicks with their own theoretical understanding of reality. being skeptical is GOOD in science; not so at church.

and also, hedonism is not the only reason an atheistic person (not that i am one, i consider myself an agnostic) would value good works. it is easy to imagine a person who values 1) future fame past their lifetime, 2) benefiting humanity, just because they're a nice person, or 3) because they have some selfish interest in their offspring and future descendants, regardless of their own pleasures and pains

>>10499621
I think those are all common explanations, but that without a God they are simply weak minded bullshit. The meme that the church doesn't benefit from any skepticism is blatently false. If people were never skeptical about the nature of God then religion would never have been invented. There cannot be belief without skepticism. Working in theology does require you to hold certain axioms to be true if you want to advance your understanding though. Math is established on common sense axioms in the same way. 1=1 just because it does. 1=1 because it just feels obviously true. In the same way you use the basic axioms of math and end up at calculus and string theory, you use basic axioms like God exists and God is good etc to make (good) religion. Yes it's all dogma, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential to be logically consistent. There is debate to be sure about what axioms about God are true, and I think everyone should decide that for themselves. I think it is unwise though to say that you shouldn't force yourself to decide an answer for yourself just because alternate explanations exist.
To be clear I'm not suggesting you are some fedora fool. The way most people approach religion today is honestly disgusting. I just want to clarify what I mean more clearly.

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>>10499242
Almost every single one of them were supremely God worshiping, wtf are you talking about pseud brainlet.

Planck was the smartest.

>>10499966
It's pretty common for autismos not to understand nuance, so I'll chalk your stupidity up to your condition.

>>10498503
No. me

>>10499451
Theres literally nothing wrong with this image
t. not /pol/

>>10499451
tfw, you get old enough and realize that if this man's got a S.O. he's basically got a better life than most people

>>10499212
>half his work is alchemy
>the other half is infinitely more impressive than everything you will do in your entire life
must hurt losing to someone who wasn't even trying

>>10498498
He himself declared Gödel his superior.

>>10499212
Ok, so as a minor hobby and hobbled by Christcuckism he managed to achieve more than most people in history

>>10499545

There is nothing outside man. No, it is no sort of a defense of anti-humanism, to observe the truth that people do better when they posit something larger than themselves. Rather, this only demonstrates an intrinsic deficiency in the organism.

>>10499105
Stop trolling musk is a lucky idiot.

>>10500358
Is this suppose to mean anything? Professional academics are publicly humble about their work. Saying or implying that you're the best makes you look like a pompous ass.

>>10499212
If only he had the great enlightenment that is having your opinion on something, the great things he could have done....

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>>10499311
> To become closer to God is purest motivation a human can aspire to.
well I have god complex and that is the only thing that keep pushing me to try my best beside a competition

>>10499387
>benefiting the future of humanity. because, like, you know, humans actually exist, and they will appreciate you for contributing rather than being a selfish cunt obsessed with fairy tales

>>10499311
>>10500835
The only way to get closer to God is to become God via the Singularity.

>>10498498
jacob barnett

>>10498507
Lo! This, Gentlemen, is now a Gore Threade!

>>10499990
no, me

>>10500461
cringe

>>10499985
I'm not autistic, you're just not intelligent.