/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10478096
Youre an idiot

I have no rebuttal, and OP is correct, based and about as redpilled as it gets.

/thread

>another retarded iq thread

>>10478103
sorry, only accepting arguments today, no bullshit.

>>10478108
>>10478109

>when even OP and his 500 character post has the meme-HD's stumped.

i guess dogma is a bitch sometimes.

>>10478109
You didn’t give an argument.

>>10478170
>imagine thinking you can even formulate an argument based on the limited data we have on the observable universe

What I am merely pointing out, is that I do not claim to know the answers, while academia ignores the scientific method every single day, and makes wild speculation presented as evidence, and backed by rube goldberg resembling formulas.

Well, I guess maybe my argument is that academia is low IQ, but is this really an argument at this point, or a fact? This we at least have some solid evidence for.

>>10478197
(and i dont mean all of academia, there are some who have become self aware of the wasted time, and have tried to break the mold, but they dont last long in academia thereafter.)

>>10478197
>Well, I guess maybe my argument is that academia is low IQ,
Have you ever considered that you, and not the rest of the world, is the one with the low IQ?

>>10478096
>t. jesusfag

>>10478096
>>10478197
>>10478204
I mostly agree with you here, but IQ has equally fallible methodization so you should really avoid throwing the word around so much. Also I would not necessarily say it’s most of those in academia being inept is the issue, but moreso there’s probably a complacency and indifference amongst them to where correcting improper practice is too much of a bother - even if they are spending their lives on these things.

>>10478197
You are, in part, correct. I'm in academia and this mindest definitely persists. There are enough exceptions though. They only "forget" scientific methods when it's about funding and they need to do it that way unfortunately.

>>10478278
of course, that is part of not being low IQ, you do not suffer from dunning kruger. you can never assume you are smart, you can only try to use the scientific method to make better conclusions than those who didn't, and when you do this you at least know you are smarter than that person most likely.

>>10478283
thats a topic for another thread, please dont shift this one.

>>10478317
correct, IQ isn't the best measure for intelligence, but we don't really have a way of quantifying intelligence yet. I should have said "mentally handicapped in relation to others"

>>10478391
ah, i see we have a man who thinks. group hug.

>>10478611
>I should have said "mentally handicapped in relation to others"

or maybe "critical thought challenged"

>still no attempts at refuting the heat death being a fairytale of tardoids

its like the meme-HD's enjoy their fables.

>ahem, didnt you see the "dr." before my name. please, observe the bigboy badge, nevermind the actual knowledge!

>>10478611
>yet
Or ever, most likely. Shit is too nuanced to represent it with one metric.

>>10478096
>braphole
stopped reading there, it started so well, a shame you had to insert low IQ tier memes in there

>>10478695
true.

>>10478721
oops, that was ineffective, care to try once more?

>i cant refute, so ill just change the subject

t. acamemeic

>>10478721
>use my bigboy words! dont you know I only care about -sounding- like i know something!! how dare you!!!

>show up to thread hoping someone would prove my physics degree valid
>turns out OP was right, and ive been scammed

the bittersweet life it truly is.

>>10478754
uh hey there pardna! uh i mean howdy! sure is a funny farm out there ain't it be?!

"does snuss"
"hit tobacy pipe"

"uh, sheeit, guess we done been had."
"welp, time to go back to the damn corn sortin board, farkin crap"

>go to the university they said
>learn they further suggested
>become "certified" with actual knowledge they said
>

they never said it would end like this though.

I find myself truly in awe of OP's stunning disproof of Thermodynamics
which somehow manages to sidestep the confusing mind hurt ouchie formulas >rube goldberg resembling formulas.
His technique of vaguely stating something, with no justification to speak of
and ignoring the hassle of statistical significance
will certainly overtake the current naive methodology of testing and verifying our models.

I can see now, it is obviously much more substantial to just listen to OP
since he clearly has much more experience with the bounds of physics than anyone
despite his total lack of credentials and knowledge on the subject
and total inability to make a solid statement pertaining to whatever subject he's been talking about
...to the point that I remain in a fog as to in which posts his actual position lies.

This day will be remembered forever, the stand made against academia
for their despicable use of rigorous testing that OP hasn't looked into (but I'm sure he understands anyway)
This is the day that OP proved all scientists wrong, by literally not making any points at all.
Incredible.

>>10478828
>my word salad substitutes for the lack of an argument for the foundation of thermodynamics existing as we know it in any scale other than the ones we interact with.

>>10478828
>>10478872
pwned. yep, word salad is the best they have. based and redpil

>>10478828
>OP is honest about not knowing the entire truth/contents/energy systems of the universe, and further states that the current academic explanation is speculation, and just dishonest dunning kruger tier "sell me some damn textbooks already nonsense"
>haha! see OP! we were right after all! if you cant tell us something better to believe than we will get ANRGY!

>>10478828
>ad hominem
>appeal to authority
>changing subject
>not addressing the main point
>passive aggressive sarcasm because he lacks any real rebuttal

oh it shows, dr.

its all true... literally no one can refute OP. wtf.

Particle phys. here, OP has a point about real evidence. I tend to just try to keep my job, and work on the meaningful things, try not to think about the big picture being rubbish. maybe it is a closed system, maybe we guessed correctly using the smallest sample size ever used in an experiment. but my gut tells me no, we are just wrong, like most times we have tried to guess what the universe it. the problem is, the universe is big, and to think we even have a clue is.. dunning kruger. this is why i like particles, they are small and i can see them in front of me.

sadpepe indeed.

All these people defending the heat death argument. i can only imagine their shame as they come to the realization of their impressionable mind.

hopefully they learn to think, instead of read, absorb, and bully others into their learned doctrine just because they paid a large sum for the privileged to learn the doctrine.

>>10478096
>Imagine looking through the telescope at a quasar blasting its braphole, and not thinking to yourself "hmm, wish I had some way to measure the output of that energy so that I can determine if it was a displacement/transformation of energy elsewhere in this system I believe to be closed. Hmm, also wish I could actually do that without knowing the total energy in this 'closed' system"

Define energy. Other then that your post is spot on.

>>10478391
This is how CERN and Elon Musk gets billions of dollars to do nothing. Paid to chase shadows.

>>10478721
Lol what a weenie.

>>10478767
It ended how it started and progressed. You agreeing with the group herd mentality. Did you expect the group to tell you to not listen to what they say? How else would they get paid?

here here

>>10478096
>Imagine thinking IQ is a meaningful measurement of anything.

>>10478899
>Define energy.

OP here, thats another thing. and true. we take so much for granted, without actually having a real foundation.

>>10478096
>i dont understand the second law of thermodynamics

please kys

inb4 magnetic perpetual motion zero point unlimited energy from jesus magic

>>10478914
>i am lost and having trouble with the concept behind the thread

keep trying sir! you will get there!

>>10478914
Where does the disorder go? Does it "expand" into "not the universe"?

>>10478096
Please prove Quasars are violating the conservation of energy.

>>10478924
>thinking this high school kid can tell you a damn thing about the universe

>>10478921
if you pay pal me $200 i will send you the plans to build an unlimited perpetual motion magnet zero point energy machine you can assemble with parts bought at any walmart. Its gaurenteed to work, and its a secret all the "university people" and "liberals" are hiding from you. I discovered the secret in a revelation from Jesus while I was deep in prayer. Please respond asap with the money, ((they)) are onto me and wont let me keep giving these plans away for much longer.

>>10478924
What the fuck are you saying?

>>10478927
>Please prove

and this is how academia gets away with it, people like you looking for answers NOW, instead of accepting the fact that science is about finding the best guess.

>>10478934
>and this is how academia gets away with it, people like you looking for answers NOW, instead of accepting the fact that science is about finding the best guess.

Nope. This is how burden of proof works. We’ve never observed a violation of the conservation of energy, so please prove quasars violate it. I’m waiting.

>>10478934
quasars dont violate conservation of energy or the second law of thermodynamics. Its a simple conversion of gravitational potential energy and angular momentum into high energy radiation and some high energy particle discharge.

>>10478933
Entropy aka "the universe is expanding". Only with the caveat that the "into" has never been explained. So I just call it the "not universe" since no one here is gonna break it down into simple terms.

>>10478927
>violation
In galaxies you see all types of matter. Matter being these little dynamos dubbed "atoms", the first being hydrogen and helium. A quasar has boatloads of this emanating from it.

>exterior of galaxy has incoherent and many types of matter
>center of galaxy has more coherent types of matter, the first stages of matter

It couldn't possibly be because it's ordering itself due to pressure mediation or anything. Imagine that, order in the universe. Can't have that.

>>10478946
>there is no other scenario except we know everything

gtfo out out out

>>10478955
>Entropy aka "the universe is expanding". Only with the caveat that the "into" has never been explained. So I just call it the "not universe" since no one here is gonna break it down into simple terms

Entropy is not cosmic inflation.

>In galaxies you see all types of matter. Matter being these little dynamos dubbed "atoms", the first being hydrogen and helium. A quasar has boatloads of this emanating from it.


Wow almost like that’s what it is made of.

>exterior of galaxy has incoherent and many types of matter

What does “incoherent and many types of matter mean to you”? And prove it.

>center of galaxy has more coherent types of matter, the first stages of matter

OOOOOOh, you mean stars in the core have lower metallicity! I dunno maybe? Don’t see how that matters.

>It couldn't possibly be because it's ordering itself due to pressure mediation or anything.

Pressure is functionally nonexistent in space except within planets and other large objects like stars. How could it make stars in the core have lower metalicity? By what mechanism?

>Imagine that, order in the universe. Can't have that.

What? Order and chaos don’t exist. They’re silly human concepts that live only in our heads.

>>10478951
>i actually think i know what quasars are and their fuction

and you are very sure of it too!!

>>10478971
>>there is no other scenario except we know everything
>gtfo out out out

No idea what you’re saying. I never said that, whatever the hell it even means.

>>10478972
please, we all have the textbooks, no need to become one for us to flip through.

but how about the actual empirical evidence? look up the word empirical before answering.

>>10478974
>quasars are white holes that violate conservation of energy

proofs or gtfo. all evidence suggests they are highly dense fast rotating objects that eject aggregating stellar dust

>>10478978
>please, we all have the textbooks, no need to become one for us to flip through.
but how about the actual empirical evidence? look up the word empirical before answering.

You didn’t even say what empirical evidence you wanted. Of what? Frogs?

>>10478974
Active galactic nuclei that are very bright. This should be somewhere on one page of your sixth grade science textbook I know you have in your backpack

>>10478977
you dont even understand the own gymnastics you practice. Ill call you the blind pole vaulter.

>>10478983
>all evidence

well hey, if you are sold then you're sold! ladies and gents we have a customer!

>>10478972
>Entropy is not cosmic inflation.
Then where does the "disorder" go? It becomes ordered again, obviously.

>Wow almost like that’s what it is made of.
Wow! Descriptions are not explanations.

>What does “incoherent and many types of matter mean to you”? And prove it.
Neutron: Turns into a proton after 15 minutes of isolation, part of an "Atomic nucleus". How it differs has been dubbed "neutral charge", but other than that I fail to see how it's different than a proton.
Proton: another part of an "atomic nucleus"
More protons and neutrons mashed together: Sounds to me like an incoherent bunch of fucking protons and neutrons. Makes all the other elements too. I fail to see how all the other elements are just hydrogen/helium smashed together.

>OOOOOOh, you mean stars in the core have lower metallicity! I dunno maybe? Don’t see how that matters.
No I am talking about the actual center of the galaxy. Where there's an alleged "black hole". So far the best explanation to a "Blackhole" I've found is "the absence of force and magnitude".

>Pressure is functionally nonexistent in space
You are "in space" currently. What is the pressure outside your house right now? Now compare that to "space" (filled space). It's a DIFFERENT PRESSURE YOU MORON. A MEDIATION OF PRESSURE.

>except within planets and other large objects like stars. How could it make stars in the core have lower metalicity? By what mechanism?
Coherency. Like a fucking magnet.

>What? Order and chaos don’t exist. They’re silly human concepts that live only in our heads.

Order is empirically observable you dunderhead. Chaos doesn't exist because how would things come about to be ordered? How would the ball your currently standing on spin into said ball? How would you have a functioning body structure if everything was chaotic? You wouldn't, you'd be nothing other than a hunk of random shit. FFS go look at a goddamn anthill if you want to see some "order".

>>10478985
>he used the gradeschool textbook as his argument

>>10479020
or should I say product instead of customer. now this is getting really deep, heh.

>>10479024
>denying evidence makes me smart
no you are actually really dumb
but i can help you out... for a small one time payment of $200 i will send you the secret magnetic free zero point energy system that ((they)) dont want you to know about.

>>10478932
kek

>>10479021
>Then where does the "disorder" go? It becomes ordered again, obviously.

There’s no such thing as “disorder” or “order”. All entropy means is that over time, the amount of energy that’s actually usable declines, which is true.

>Wow! Descriptions are not explanations.

Don’t need to be.

>Neutron: Turns into a proton after 15 minutes of isolation, part of an "Atomic nucleus". How it differs has been dubbed "neutral charge", but other than that I fail to see how it's different than a proton.
Proton: another part of an "atomic nucleus"
More protons and neutrons mashed together: Sounds to me like an incoherent bunch of fucking protons and neutrons. Makes all the other elements too. I fail to see how all the other elements are just hydrogen/helium smashed together.

Make a car from hydrogen. I fail to see why you’re so stupid that you literally just can’t understand that things become other things when arranged differently.

>No I am talking about the actual center of the galaxy. Where there's an alleged "black hole". So far the best explanation to a "Blackhole" I've found is "the absence of force and magnitude".

Black holes are regions of spacetime where gravity warps spacetime to such an extent that all light cones lead further towards the center. Sagittarius A is our black hole.

>You are "in space" currently

No, I’m on earth. You’re being literal because you have autism or think pedantry looks smart.

>What is the pressure outside your house right now?

Approximately 14.70 psi.

>Now compare that to "space" (filled space).

What the fuck is “filled space”? The pressure a mile beneath me is higher and the pressure a mile above me is lower but neither are “filled”.

>It's a DIFFERENT PRESSURE YOU MORON. A MEDIATION OF PRESSURE.

We know pressure changes depending on how much material is pressing from above you. That’s irrelevant in outer space.

This thread is proof that everyone on /sci/ is a retard

>>10479021
>Coherency. Like a fucking magnet.


Pressure and magnetism don’t care about coherency, whatever that is supposed to be. Pressure is just the force of the material above, which is water in the sea and gas on the surface.

>Order is empirically observable you dunderhead.

No, entropy is.

>Chaos doesn't exist because how would things come about to be ordered?

Neither exist.

>How would the ball your currently standing on spin into said ball?

The earth is spherical due to gravity, not its spin.

>How would you have a functioning body structure if everything was chaotic? You wouldn't, you'd be nothing other than a hunk of random shit. FFS go look at a goddamn anthill if you want to see some "order".

An anthill, like everything else, is only “ordered” subjectively, as order is not a real measurable thing.

>>10479022
>he used the gradeschool textbook as his argument

Nope.

>>10478914
404 argument not found

>>10479021
>Neutron: Turns into a proton after 15 minutes of isolation, part of an "Atomic nucleus". How it differs has been dubbed "neutral charge", but other than that I fail to see how it's different than a proton.

You’re an idiot. A neutron is composed of one up quark and two down quarks, whereas a proton is comprised of two up quarks and a down quark.

what are you fucking idiots even arguing about
spell it out very clearly, what physics are you contesting and for what reason

>>10479064
>There’s no such thing as “disorder” or “order”

Anthills bro. Also:

>Time

You speak of it as if it's a phenomena or something that exists. It doesn't

>Don’t need to be.

Then I'll just go on the street an start asking a homeless nutcase what he think. He can describe whatever he thinks that's how reality works right? I want an explanation, not you describing what is there and then leaving it at that. That doesn't tell me jack shit.

>Make a car from hydrogen. I fail to see why you’re so stupid that you literally just can’t understand that things become other things when arranged differently.

Sure why not? Just change the gyromagnetic ratio and you can have whatever you want. It's all the same shit.

>Black holes are regions of spacetime

Nice. "Spacetime". Two words with no meaning conglomerated into one that still doesn't make sense. What properties of space and time allow it to give a "region" where blackholes are allowed to happen?
>where gravity warps spacetime to such an extent that all light cones lead further towards the center. Sagittarius A is our black hole.

What property allows "spacetime" to be "warped by gravity". There is still no explanation to gravity btw, but I'll let that one slip.

>No, I’m on earth

Which is where?

>You’re being literal because you have autism or think pedantry looks smart.

No, I am being literal because I am using "empirical evidence". Earth is in this region dubbed "space" last time I checked.

>What the fuck is “filled space”?

What the fuck is "empty space"? What the fuck is "space". How about we meet halfway and call it a MEDIUM.

>The pressure a mile beneath me is higher and the pressure a mile above me is lower but neither are “filled”.

They're empty?

>We know pressure changes depending on how much material is pressing from above you. That’s irrelevant in outer space.

So "outer space" is "nothing"? From nothing comes nothing.

>>10479080
if you dont know why this >>10478914 is the correct answer to >>10478096 then you are too dumb for this conversation

>>10479089
the OP thinks that quasars are white holes that violate conservation of energy. because he doesnt like the "evidence" that people at "universities" came up with.

>>10479075
>Pressure and magnetism don’t care about coherency,

Hahahahaha. Coherency is literally the only thing that defines a magnet. Otherwise all you have is an inert chunk of steel. Quantitatively the magnet and a the same chunk of non-magnetized material are THE SAME. The only thing that separates them is their QUALITY by the COHERENCY of the iron atoms.

>Pressure is just the force of the material above, which is water in the sea and gas on the surface.
And what the fuck do you think space is? Nothing? Dumb.

>No, entropy is.
proof please. Where does the "disorder" end up?

>Neither exist.
then what exists? Nothing? Inertness? Explain yourself.

>The earth is spherical due to gravity, not its spin.
Not letting you slip by on this one. What causes gravity?

>An anthill, like everything else, is only “ordered” subjectively, as order is not a real measurable thing.
>look at all these ants marching in order bringing back food and following their leader, who in turn makes more of them to follow the same order.
>but no, it's all in my head!

Wake up! You're sleeping right now! This is a message hidden from them, you're not in the real world right now! You have to wake up!

>>10479081
>A neutron is composed of one up quark and two down quarks, whereas a proton is comprised of two up quarks and a down quark.

Fields are not particles.

>>10479106
>Anthills bro. Also:

They’re not ordered except in your head.

>You speak of it as if it's a phenomena or something that exists. It doesn't

Prove it.

>Then I'll just go on the street an start asking a homeless nutcase what he think. He can describe whatever he thinks that's how reality works right? I want an explanation, not you describing what is there and then leaving it at that. That doesn't tell me jack shit.

Here’s an idea. Go to Google, and search “How quasars work”. Get back to me once you find a satisfactory source. Here’s some help.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/the-universe/black-holes-and-quasars

>Sure why not? Just change the gyromagnetic ratio and you can have whatever you want. It's all the same shit.

The what? Let’s see some peer-reviewed literature detailing experiments where hydrogen is mystically turned into something else by changing the “gyromagnetic ratio”.

>Nice. "Spacetime". Two words with no meaning conglomerated into one that still doesn't make sense.

Oh boy it didn’t go to college. Space is the three-dimensional metric scale in which stuff moves about. Time is what a clock reads. Spacetime is their combination as a four-dimensional manifold.

>What properties of space and time allow it to give a "region" where blackholes are allowed to happen?

They’re allowed to happen anywhere where there is sufficient density of mass for all light cones to lead towards the center of gravity.

>What property allows "spacetime" to be "warped by gravity".

Dunno. It just happens. You’re welcome to get to work formulating an explanation and making a prediction with said explanation.

>There is still no explanation to gravity btw, but I'll let that one slip.

Wrong. Gravity is explained by general relativity, but I’ll let that one slip.

>Which is where?

In the universe.

>>10478096
Since the jews took over academia through nepotism, science stopped being about reality and more about thought experiments of thought experiments.

>>10479140
>They’re not ordered except in your head.
Cringe

>>10479106
>No, I am being literal because I am using "empirical evidence". Earth is in this region dubbed "space" last time I checked.

Nope. Empirical does not require being a pedantic little kid.

>What the fuck is "empty space"?

Space without any matter in it.

>What the fuck is "space".

The three-dimensional metric scale within which stuff moves about, or the vacuum that exists beyond atmospheres.

>They're empty?

No, and neither are they filled.

>So "outer space" is "nothing"? From nothing comes nothing.

Wrong. Outer space is the vacuum beyond atmospheres. There’s no matter pressing down above you in outer space.

>Hahahahaha. Coherency is literally the only thing that defines a magnet. Otherwise all you have is an inert chunk of steel. Quantitatively the magnet and a the same chunk of non-magnetized material are THE SAME. The only thing that separates them is their QUALITY by the COHERENCY of the iron atoms.

Magnets are magnets because they’ve been polarized. No one calls it “coherency”.

>And what the fuck do you think space is? Nothing? Dumb.

Outer space does not press down onto you from above.

>proof please. Where does the "disorder" end up?

Disorder doesn’t exist, so it ends up nowhere except in your tiny mind.

>then what exists? Nothing? Inertness? Explain yourself.

Matter, energy, and the spacetime they play games in.

>Not letting you slip by on this one. What causes gravity?

Mass warping spacetime. Go to high school science again.

>>look at all these ants marching in order bringing back food and following their leader, who in turn makes more of them to follow the same order.
but no, it's all in my head!

I hate to break it to you, but as far as entropy is concerned, life is extremely “disorderly”, as it constantly reduces the useable energy of the universe.

>Wake up! You're sleeping right now! This is a message hidden from them, you're not in the real world right now! You have to wake up!

Please see a doctor.

>>10479125
>Fields are not particles

Particles are field excitations.

>Cringe

Cringe. Yikes.

>>10478721
Go blow it out your braphole faggot

>>10479106
>What property allows "spacetime" to be "warped by gravity".

Spacetime isn't warped by gravity. Gravity is the apparent result of spacetime warping, which is caused by energy and momentum.
Energy and momentum alter the geometry of spacetime in a manner specified by the Einstein Field Equations. Specifically, the curvature at each point in spacetime is encoded in a mathematical object called the Riemann tensor, which characterizes the curvature of the spacetime metric (which you can think of as a kind of distance formula for spacetime, a la Pythagorean Theorem). Without any energy or momentum (in a vacuum far from masses) the metric becomes the spacetime interval for special relativity. When there is mass present, objects will follow the curvature of spacetime according to the Geodesic Equation.

All of this won't mean much without a background in differential geometry, but feel free to look up the concepts I referenced.

>>10479186
Inb4 “that expalantion is baed n dum”

>>10479140
>They’re not ordered except in your head.
Well whatever religion you're practicing, I suggest you don't.

>Prove it.

Okay. Time is a measurement. Measurements don't have properties and are not a phenomena because they cannot be known by the senses. Their "existence" relies on thoughts and intuition, both of which mean absolutely nothing to phenomenon that exist in reality. Time is as real as an idea, and ideas are not how reality works.

>Here’s an idea. Go to Google, and search “How quasars work”.
>"We can't observe black holes directly, but we do see their effect on surrounding material"

Shadow chasers.

>The what?
"Go to Google, and search "gyromagnetic ratio".

>Let’s see some peer-reviewed literature
>I want group think to explain it to me because I'm a moron.

Have fun waiting another century.

>Space is the three-dimensional metric scale in which stuff moves about
You're talking about math. I'm talking about actual "space".

>Time is what a clock reads.
Right. A measurement. Measurements have no properties. A clock is a battery and a motor, it's not filled with "time" it's perturbations and polarity switching. That's not "time"

>Spacetime is their combination as a four-dimensional manifold.

I'm talking about reality. Not describing it with math.

>Dunno. It just happens.
Nice description.

>You’re welcome to get to work formulating an explanation and making a prediction with said explanation.
No that's you're job moron. The burden of proof lies on you to prove the made up shit you're saying. Otherwise you're just another religious nutcase imho, because that's the same shit they do.

>Wrong. Gravity is explained by general relativity, but I’ll let that one slip.

No it isn't explained by general relativity. The effects of it are described.

>In the universe.
>space is in the universe.

How much space?

>>10479112
>i dont understand what OP was actually saying, therefor he is saying X, because.. well because!

>>10478096
Anon the heat death is based on the fact the universe wont stop expanding meaning distance between points are slowly increasing. Eventually at some point every subatomic particle in existence will be too far way to interact with others meaning energy will never exist again thus the "heat" death.

black and white anime poster is actually based and redpilled, the only one patient enough to spoonfeed real critical thought into the stupid dumb PHD scum.

>>10479228
heat death is enthropic equilibrium
the big freeze is loss of contact

>>10479228
>t. it was real in my mind while i read the lecture notes and imagined it being empirically based, and actually feasible to extrapolate to the entire reality we call the universe.

yes, i understand the "argument" behind heat death, and why people seem to follow it blindly, but that doesn't mean it is any good. also the word you are looking for is entropy, which is just a concept, and a word which can never really be proven to exist on a large scale. ever.

>>10479161
>Nope. Empirical does not require being a pedantic little kid.
No it requires using your senses. Look "up", then look "down" then differentiate it.

>Space without any matter in it.
So nothing? Doesn't exist. There is no "absolute zero". Hence the term "filled space".

>The three-dimensional metric scale within which stuff moves about
Measurements don't have properties. How does stuff move in what has no properties?

>or the vacuum that exists beyond atmospheres.
AKA a pressure mediation. No true "vacuum"

>No, and neither are they filled.
So a "medium"?

>Wrong. Outer space is the vacuum beyond atmospheres. There’s no matter pressing down above you in outer space.
>this thing called a sun isn't influencing your motion.
Space is full of atoms and EM. It's not "empty" in the slightest.

>Magnets are magnets because they’ve been polarized
That's a description not an explanation. A magnet is indeed polarized, a homeless bum could tell me this.

>Outer space does not press down onto you from above.
Of course not, space has no properties.

>Matter, energy, and the spacetime they play games in.
Shit explanation. Mentioning the playing of games then telling me I'm acting like a kid. I love it.
>Mass warping spacetime
So the cause of gravity is mass? But doesn't gravity attract mass? Which is it? How does mass warp that which has no properties?

>I hate to break it to you, but as far as entropy is concerned, life is extremely “disorderly”, as it constantly reduces the useable energy of the universe.
And I hate to break it to you but you still have not explained where all the "usable energy of the universe" goes to. Does it just dry up?

>Please see a doctor.
I was about to tell you the same thing. You just don't know what to believe in do you? No chaos, no order?

>>10479215
>Well whatever religion you're practicing, I suggest you don't.

Not an argument

>Okay. Time is a measurement. Measurements don't have properties and are not a phenomena because they cannot be known by the senses. Their "existence" relies on thoughts and intuition, both of which mean absolutely nothing to phenomenon that exist in reality. Time is as real as an idea, and ideas are not how reality works.

Lmao. No. Time is measured. It is not a measurement.

>"We can't observe black holes directly, but we do see their effect on surrounding material"

Yep. And?

>Shadow chasers.

Not an argument.

>"Go to Google, and search "gyromagnetic ratio".

Doesn’t allow you to magically turn hydrogen into a car.

>Let’s see some peer-reviewed literature
>I want group think to explain it to me because I'm a moron.

I’ll ask you again. Let’s see some peer-reviewed literature. The more you avoid, the stupider you look for trying to play on the science board.

>You're talking about math. I'm talking about actual "space".

Yes, actual “space” is a three-dimensional metric scale within which stuff moves about.

>Right. A measurement. Measurements have no properties. A clock is a battery and a motor, it's not filled with "time" it's perturbations and polarity switching. That's not "time"

Wrong. Time is measured. It isn’t a measurement.

>I'm talking about reality. Not describing it with math.

Math describes reality lmao.

>Nice description.

Thanks!

>No that's you're job moron. The burden of proof lies on you to prove the made up shit you're saying

Nope. I never claimed to know why mass warps spacetime. Nice try, little guy.

>Otherwise you're just another religious nutcase imho, because that's the same shit they do.

They also refuse to cite-peer reviewed sources and attempt to shift the burden of proof, which is exactly what you’re doing. What a religious nutcase.

>be PHD
>turn off the mind brain head switch
>put silly letters in front of name indicating his new brand

for vvhat pvrpose?

>>10479215
>No it isn't explained by general relativity. The effects of it are described.

Nope. It’s explained by it. Gravity is caused by mass warping spacetime.

>How much space?

About five quarts.

>>10479186

Energy and momentum alter the geometry of spacetime in a manner specified by the Einstein Field Equations.

A "field" has no quantity. Also:

>light has a speed

No.

>(which you can think of as a kind of distance formula for spacetime, a la Pythagorean Theorem)

Oops.

>>10479244
>which is just a concept
gravity is just a concept too you fucking loon
so are numbers
so are atoms, the fucking things that make you up are nothing more than concepts in out model

you seem to have a total fucking lack of knowledge of anything regarding physics
you cannot prove the sun exists
you cannot prove that the earth exists
you cannot prove that we dont live in the matrix
you cannot prove anything at all

thats not an issue since science is about predictions, not truth or proof
but there is SIGNIFICANT justification for entropy you fucking waste of space.
maybe if you had actually learned some of this shit in school you would know how entropy is derived
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy#Definitions_and_descriptions
pick up a fucking statistical mechanics book and read it cover to cover before you spout shit about things you literally don't know
if you dont then just kill yourself right now because you'll never learn anything like that

>see thread
>uh, this ain't gon b gud for dem accy's

>read thread
>oh for fugs sake! they're gettin ob-ob-obliturayteed

>w-wait a tick
>here we go
>
>nope, dem boys don got their sheeit fargin fugged hard
>why dey so furkin stupid dumb and retarded bums?
>ah shet, theys a' fuggin lost thur dayum criticul thoughts in they darn heeeds!

>>10479280
>a line is fuzzy
>lets fuzz EVERYTHING ELSE so it can still fit my damn narrative

fucks sake, you need your dogma in tact, keep it lmao.

>>10479280
>im noticeably rattled, and here's why:

>>10479258
>No it requires using your senses. Look "up", then look "down" then differentiate it.

Yep. Doesn’t require being literal about words when you know exactly what they’re supposed to mean.

>So nothing?

Wrong. Space is a thing.

>Doesn't exist.

Wrong. Most space is empty.

>There is no "absolute zero".

Wrong. Absolute zero exists, it is simply unachievable.

>Hence the term "filled space".

No such thing as “filled space”. There’s always more room.

>Measurements don't have properties. How does stuff move in what has no properties?

Spacetime has properties.

>AKA a pressure mediation. No true "vacuum"

Nope. AKA a partial vacuum.

>So a "medium"?

You can call it that if you like.

>this thing called a sun isn't influencing your motion.

It is. And?

>Space is full of atoms and EM. It's not "empty" in the slightest.

Yep, yet it’s not pushing down onto you from above. It is simply not dense enough.

>That's a description not an explanation. A magnet is indeed polarized, a homeless bum could tell me this.

Nope. It’s an explanation.

>Of course not, space has no properties.

Wrong.

>Shit explanation. Mentioning the playing of games then telling me I'm acting like a kid. I love it.

I figured it’d be an analogy you understand.

>So the cause of gravity is mass? But doesn't gravity attract mass?

Yes, and yes it does.

>How does mass warp that which has no properties?

Spacetime has properties.

>And I hate to break it to you but you still have not explained where all the "usable energy of the universe" goes to. Does it just dry up?

No, it becomes thermal energy which is radiated into the environment as photons.

>I was about to tell you the same thing. You just don't know what to believe in do you? No chaos, no order?

Sorry, but I don’t believe subjective qualities exist objectively.

Never go full faith, when you're trying to go full science. otherwise you become one of the people arguing for fortune 500 academia in this thread.

many such cases.

>Years of academic "research" down the outhouse portal in a single /sci/ thread

i would ask if it will ever recover.. but I think I already know the answer. heh.

>>10479304
>>10479300

Samefag troll.

>>10479296
>Wrong. Most space is empty.


look at this dude! he is omnipresent throughout the entire universe, known and unknown. ok everyone, god is here. pack it up, we were so wrong!

>>10479261
>Not an argument
"in your head" is not an argument either.

>Lmao. No. Time is measured. It is not a measurement.
What is being measured? What properties of time are measurable? The frequency that something occurs is something? No, the "something" is measured using time and other units of measurement you twat.

>Yep. And?
>we measured this shadow and felt the effects of it, therefore shadows exist
>even thought they are a privation of light
>an absence is something
Am I going to fast?

>Not an argument.
You're right, it's not an argument. It's a fallacy of reification. You've been doing it nonstop and it's becoming tiresome.

>Doesn’t allow you to magically turn hydrogen into a car.
>yet

> Let’s see some peer-reviewed literature. The more you avoid, the stupider you look for trying to play on the science board.
Ahem. "Not an argument"

>“space” is a three-dimensional metric scale
>space is a measurement
Analogous to one yes, in that is has no properties

>Wrong. Time is measured. It isn’t a measurement.
Not an argument. What is a property of "time" that can be measured.

>Math describes reality lmao.
Yeah it does.That's all it does. It describes it in terms of quantification. Descriptions are not explanations.

>Nope. I never claimed to know why mass warps spacetime
So you don't have an argument.

>They also refuse to cite-peer reviewed sources

Their entire existence is solely due to "peer reviewed sources". They're all religious nutjobs circle jerking their like minded peers. They're too dumb to figures shit out on their own.

>>10479265

>Gravity is caused by mass warping spacetime.

And what property does "spacetime" have that can be "warped".

>>10479306
oof, yea. yea, you may wana try that one again.. this time.. well lets say this time a little less.. uh badly. heh.

Imagine if university was free (somehow), and people could go without becoming massive debt slaves, and feeling a emotional need to support the "knowledge" learned because they have to justify the amount of wealth lost attaining it.

I wonder if the dogma would be as smelly and fucking penetrating.

I think I understand it now. I cracked the code. You see, it's the path of least resistance. You see, a well-adapted, open-minded individual goes out in the world and keeps learning, knowing that he does not understand yet today, but maybe a little more tomorrow. That not his lack of understanding reflects bad upon his intellect or character, but his humbleness and curiosity makes him worthy of partaking in this greatest of human endeavors, called science.

But then there are the hermits, the basement dwellers, the disgruntled ones. Our friends left behind in the dark, for which we are know ashamed if we meet them in public. You see, these people start with the same itch as you and I. They read formulas they don't understand, They see a mysterious universe all around us, and so many gaps in our knowledge right in front of us. They have a hunch of how little they know, as we do. But what does this little man, this ant of a thinker do? He points his fingers and cries out all the rest of his fellow man. For in his world, discrediting Galileo to CERN is the easier path, the choice with less consequences. Because no one on this blue pale dot of ours will ever bat an eye of any remark this creature manages to gurgle out of his sore throat, except he himself when he cries himself to sleep.

In a world where only you really know that you are there, who would you accuse of possessing too low of an intellect to grasp the modern day challenges of science? Yourself, or the entire academic community, a mere abstract group of study book shovelers who never really seem to ponder the deepness of it all like you do?

>>10479307
>look at this dude! he is omnipresent throughout the entire universe, known and unknown. ok everyone, god is here. pack it up, we were so wrong!

What’s the cognitive dissonance like? It’s a simple fact that, even in something dense like metal, there is great empty space between the component molecules. Most of space is just the void between stars and galaxies, and the particle density is extremely low there.

>What is being measured?

Time.

>What properties of time are measurable?

What time it is.

>The frequency that something occurs is something?

Admitting the existence of frequency is admitting the existence of time. Sad.

>No, the "something" is measured using time and other units of measurement you twat.

No, time is a thing that we measure. lol

>we measured this shadow and felt the effects of it, therefore shadows exist

Yep. Shadows exist.

>even thought they are a privation of light
>an absence is something.

Yep. And?

>Am I going to fast?

No, you’re just retarded. Something that is merely an absence of something else is a thing.

>You're right, it's not an argument. It's a fallacy of reification. You've been doing it nonstop and it's becoming tiresome.

Nope.

>yet

Prove it’ll ever happen.

>analogous to one yes, in that it has no properties

Wrong. Space has properties.

>Not an argument. What is a property of "time" that can be measured.

What time it is.

>Yeah it does.That's all it does. It describes it in terms of quantification. Descriptions are not explanations.

Don’t need to be.

>So you don't have an argument.

Wrong.

>Their entire existence is solely due to "peer reviewed sources".

Nope. The Buddhist faith was not created by some prehistoric journal.

>They're all religious nutjobs circle jerking their like minded peers. They're too dumb to figures shit out on their own.

Sounds just like you.

>And what property does "spacetime" have that can be "warped".

It’s dimensions.

>>10479323
Not sure the ad hominem punched hard enough there. the appeal to authority was based and redpilled in its effectiveness until ya done darn diddly started punctuating so poorly you almost insulted yourself.

jfc.

>>10479309
Samefag troll.

>>10479323
sos, nice post. i agree, autistic NEETs who lard as physicists are the FUCKING WORST

>>10479323
>i lack decent arguments, but here's a taste of my impotent rage and regret:

>>10479323
lol, nice post. i agree, autistic NEETs who larp as physicists are the FUCKING WORST

>>10479343
>sos
look at this accy literally calling for help because he doesn't know how to proceed with the rebuttal...

>>10479343
>sos, nice post. i agree, autistic NEETs who lard as physicists are the FUCKING WORST

>sos
>lard

mind sharing with the group?

>>10479323
It’s the “privy to secret knowledge” ego boost that keeps conspiracy theories alive.

>>10479340
>yo..
>yo SHIT!
>ok, so.. im kinda really unsure how to rebuke anything, so time to start with the boogeyman distractions

>>10479344
you havent offered any arguments faggot

>>10479353
Samefag troll.

>>10479351
no one is buying it ya darn diddly boomer holy shit, calm down with the CNN headlines. good lordy lord.

>>10479354
>yo FUCK THIS GAY THREAD
>i dont CARE if there is tons of info posted above
>i will NOT read it!!!

oh, it shows sir.. haha it shows!

>>10479338
>I learned the top 3 argumentative fallacies that are too crazy to miss. You'll be amazed by number 2!

>>10479343
I used to wonder how may layers of LARPing is actually going on. Now I think it's just one. One layer. No irony.

>>10479344
Give me a proposition and I'll give you an argument

>>10479356
Samefag troll yet again.

>>10479361
>>i dont CARE if there is tons of info posted above
thats the issue you fucking shit
theres too much of you wasting all the fucking space without enough actual talking
i cant fucking find anyplace wheres theres an actual topical statement being made
fucking tag it

>>10479365
haha its the ole "make them repeat themselves so I can try over and over to make them forget they're right" tactic.

I think I am just fine with my stance sir!! I will wait for anyone to produce anything new to BTFO!

>>10479366
>>10479368
>im still angry, sigh and here is yet again... why I am emotional and rattled about this topic:

i mean, im not angry... its almost like this really hits home or something with you fellers.

>>10479373
tag an argument

>>10479373
Nah, you’re seething. Why bother hiding behind your cope when everyone can see how much you’re crying?

Prove quasars violate the conservation of energy. LOL

>>10479375
>>10479377
getting old guys, look, i dont care if you want to keep the dogma, i really dont! I have no need to repeat myself as if I require approval for my sovereign thoughts.

>imagine being indoctrinated so hard, you cannot even be happy with your own ideas, and become increasingly enraged when you cannot win over others with the shitty foundations they have built in.

good lord it shows sir!

>>10479384
tag an argument

>>10479369
You're intellectually incredibly dishonest and the only person that you're playing is yourself. Academia has its obvious, serious and well-known and discussed flaws. Heck, it's one of the favorite topic of many scientists I've met. You are not special, more wise of revolutionary by pointing that out. Agreed, from a distance it probably seems like a bunch of morons, especially if you've read some nice clean theory about the scientific method and whatnot.

But the reality is, science is the best bet we have. Just look at its fucking results. Its a ridiculous joke to even have to point that out.

You have a childish and sterile notion of science, and your approach seems scholastic at best.

Really, I meen it, get out of your bubble and out of your ass.

>>10479335
>Time.
Circular reasoning

>What time it is.
Does not pertain to the universe

>Admitting the existence of frequency is admitting the existence of time.
>a break in activity is time
No

>No, time is a thing that we measure.
using what? Measurements don't have properties.

>Yep. And?
Non-sequitur

>Something that is merely an absence of something else is a thing.
There is no "something else" in absence. It is absent, like your brain.

>Prove it’ll ever happen.
"the sun"

>Wrong. Space has properties.
???I've only asked about 10 times. No one has named a property yet. Is it cold? Is it hot? Is it wet? Is it dry?

>What time it is.
Circular reasoning, again.

>Don’t need to be.
No they don't, but it's not a distinction without a difference. An explanation would make me take what you have to say seriously.

>Nope. The Buddhist faith was not created by some prehistoric journal.
>what are the sutras

>Sounds just like you.
I am not a part of any group that would have me as a member.

>It’s dimensions.
Space and time have no "dimensionality" because they have no properties. Measurements aren't dimensions, they describe and quantify dimensions.

>>10479386
If you read the thread, you would see that it has already been explained that I am not trying to prove anything at all about outer space, or the many phenomenon it contains. I am merely stating that mainstream science lacks true critical thought, and most likely IQ (or whatever metric of intelligence you prefer)

respectfully, sir.

>>10479384
That’s nice. Prove quasars violate the conservation of energy.

>>10479323
underrated

Most great minds I've witnessed were disillusioned by academia and went for a job in the industry. So there's that. Anecdotal evidence, but I know these guys don't lie.

>>10479392
Science only cares about accurately modeling reality. Sorry it doesn’t make sense to your peanut brain

>>10479392
why are you making a claim about a topic you don't know anything about?
You aren't involved in mainstream science

So tell me, how much iq does it take to make a statement about something you dont even know?

>>10479395
ah, he has good self esteem. its good to pat yourself on the back for your efforts, dont let anyone take that from you sir!

>>10479398
i will have to apologize to you sir, as I really do not think we are on the same level of discussion here. I did try to bring you toward the same level (not implying above or below) just merely the same step. but it was my failure in the end I suppose, I couldn't bring you there no matter how hard i tried. and i guess this is fine, i guess we are all truly different, i cannot force someone to do the impossible. and i do not fault you for it.

>>10479397
>yo heres my new ad hominem

and its shiny and new! very neat.

>>10479400
I hope he quotes me and screenshots it, I'm phone posting and can't be bothered. Take the empathypill and accept difficulty as the standard you seek.

>>10479403
neat

>>10479407
Thanks! Now delete the thread and commit suicide.

>>10479416
rolling

>>10479416
>yo ah fuck haha, yo delete the heretic, haha damn dawg, yo he be a witch or some shit haha

>>10479437
Haha lol

Prove quasars violate the conservation of energy.

>I'll call out respected scientists for no reason
>woooaaah, getting backlash must mean youre all indoctrinated
maybe have some justification next time
...rather than literally nothing at all

damn, well id love to stay and quite literally, and (quite literally) repeat myself verbatim - ad infinitum.. and have new precious anons show up every few seconds putting up a weak fight before settling back in their comfy chairs to observe and hopefully learn a bit.

but, this heretic is tired, and the inquisition sure is tiresome after a while.

now please, now PLEASE haha, please do take this time, and do some thinking of your own!

ah, now THAT .. was based and redpilled!!

>>10479437
it's more fun if you resist a little. please tell us how stupid academia is and walk us through how they fell out of your grace. It'll really make us angry!

>>10479458
see >>10479447
and realize calling yourself a heretic is fucking retarded
you dont have those qualifications

>>10479467
Well, you seem pretty butthurt. Id say hes heretical to your anus at least.

Heretical rectalosis, see a doctor

>>10479471
>see a doctor
Md, not phd of course:) dont want to add malignancy to the mix ;)

>>10479471
>butthurt
>been watching idolmaster songs for an hour straight
>smiling my ass off this whole time
>only tangentially paying attention and tabbing back in here
it's literally impossible to be butthurt when watching imas dude

>>10479480
>hes fully anesthetized. This is good.

>>10479471
>>10479480
the absolute state

>>10479487
Be nice, hes trying to shake the university programming. Give him time.

Weird. I don’t see any evidence presented that quasars violate the conservation of energy.

>>10478096
Iq retard

>>10478096
>>Imagine even wasting time on exploring the idea of a closed system without first determining that it is indeed closed.
We do know it is effectively closed, though.
With the rate of expansion of the universe closed pockets will form such that even if the ENTIRE universe isn't closed there will be areas cut off that will not have any energy input and they will suffer heat death.
You should use your imagination a little more.

I didn't know berserkposter was here. This thread would have been fun if I had gotten here sooner.

>>10479600
What's stopping you now? You'll even have a head start. See you tomorrow afternoon granted all my posts aren't deleted.

>>10479323
nah I disagree. I have a simpler theory, they're just fucking retarded. I've lived all of my life surrounded by idiots and if there's one thing they hate is the realization of their own stupidity, they'll do anything possible to avoid coming to terms with their lack of intelligence including inventing their own theories about the world around them.

>>10478108
Based "another IQ thread" poster!

>>10479626
deez niih finna get dabbed on

ITT: some retards argue against one of the most fundamental assumptions of all of physics, which also happens to have a wealth of evidence suggesting it is correct, whilst providing fuck all evidence of these laws being violated.

>>10479597
I really do not understand how you fail to think, in so many different ways.

Maybe the k-12-uni "programs" are extremely potent to certain individuals, effectively causing cellular necrosis in the areas of the brain associated with sovereign thought.

Heres the thing:

I have no trouble understanding the reason WHY you think you are making a statement that is sensible, but I also know that it is flawed. You are basing an idea off of observations made in 3 dimensions, in a localized area, and using human thinking.

Here is how I myself go about thinking. I look at the past, see everytime a human has come to a "conclusion" about reality, and continue onward through history until I see the next person learn a new puzzle piece that makes the old "conclusion" look like so absurd you can't even imagine people used to believe it.

Now we are in the information age, things are not so fuzzy anymore. We now know that we are so very limited in our scope as humans, and as 3rd dimension beings, that we are only seeing a fraction of a percent of the entire puzzle. And to think you have a conclusion for the totality of the puzzle, based on your single piece, is... immature. best word to describe it is immature.

I am smart enough to know I do not know. This is the most enlightening one can be at this point in history, as a man. If you simply will not let your ego accept this, I applaud you for rationalizing your false conclusion so well that you find comfort in it, be comfy!

>>10480569
>look like so
look so*
>enlightened

yo, ah shit, yo as fuck !!, (yo dawg i need to proofread muh shit more dawg!!)

seriously tho, so many replies to get to, and I must help those trying to get to a better understanding of reality (because I am trying as well! it is a constant struggle!!!)

(but we will stay vigilant!!!!!))

>>10480588
>(but we will stay vigilant!!!!!))
(and based and redpilled!!! ([sir!]) )

did OP BTFO everyone? wow

>>10478283
...Heat death is also supported by several Christian denominations you retard

>>10478096
Unironically based and Jesuspilled

>>10478611
> IQ isn't the best measure for intelligence, but we don't really have a way of quantifying intelligence yet.
Funny that people like to say this with zero justification where IQ has a huge evidence base for it being a phenonenal quantification of intelligence.

OP is a retard

>>10483088
theres a difference between knowing where to draw the line between science and philosophy

and completely throwing the scientific method onto the train tracks and letting it be destroyed i the name of dogma.

sir.

>>10478283
Every Christian believes this universe will end, you fucking idiot.

>>10483061

Source? And don't link anymore bullshit waste of time journals.

An intelligent person probably wouldn't spend their time on 4chan discussing how 'intelligent' they are and debating over an out-dated metric.

It's laughable the amount of shitposting that goes on in here but the sad thing is, among the trolls, there are genuinely people who believe in this pseudoscience bullshit. That they're 'intellectually superior' to the layman. You're not. You're an average person who's stuck in this constant confirmation bias cycle reaffirming your own thoughts with the idiots that surround you.

>>10480569
That sounds nice but there was nothing in that to refute what I said but "we was wrong before".
Being wrong about thIngs in the past doesn't mean that EVERYTHING we predict will be wrong, you're just using it as an excuse.

>>10484025

>>10484066
>i am too lazy to read a long stupid gay thread with words and gay ass shit in it dawg: but heres my uninformed post about something regardless:

oh it shows, dawg, haha, yep, oh dawg it shows!

>>10484289
So you still have nothing.

>>10484336
you're childrens tier ignorance isn't going to serve you here friend.. you must actually learn and put forth effort to thrive in this thread!

>>10484492
>you must actually learn and put forth effort
>coming from the guy who insults academia

>>10484496
well, if you want to talk about things other than the topic, and instead focus on me.. you could have pointed out that i said "you're" instead of your (because of autocorrect).. but you instead chose to be mad about me insulting the church of your dogmatic beliefs.

yeesh.

>>10484520
>everyone telling me im stupid means they're dogmatic
theres another option you should look into
you have yet to back up or justify anything you've said in this thread

>>10484526
hey friend! (Still here despite participating in the topic?) thats ok!

I really do not care if you refuse to seek knowledge, and I do not care to sway you sir. (but please, do calm down, just because your core foundations that you've picked up in the expensive university system are wrong, doesn't mean all is lost!)

Now, if you need to stick around and continue to sidestep, refuse to read the whole thread, and ramble on ignorantly.. please do so if it makes you feel better (my good based friend!!)

>>10484492
I don't want to thrive in this thread, I just want you to provide a reasonable argument as to why I am wrong.

>>10478096
This is why our efforts would be better spent trying to create or destroy matter out of nothing. Both trying to find out the total energy in the universe and trying to disprove conservation of energy are retarded, but one of them seems less retarded than the other

>>10478096
>40 posters
jesus christ, OP

>>10484596
>Both trying to find out the total energy in the universe
It's zero.

>>10484597
indeed, well.. cant really blame the meme-HD's, i didn't expect many of them to walk into a losing scenario for them.

much respect for those who tried, at least they had courage.

>heres your diploma
>that'll be your entire nestegg saved from a lifetime of your parents work.
>cant pay?
>thats fine! heres the choice of lifelong debt programs you can pick at your discretion!
>oppressed?
>that is fine too!! here is the choices for your next door neighbor to enter his or her lifelong debt program!

>please welcome our new meme-HD!

>heh nothin personelle kiddo.. ya see.. uh. heh.
>yea see,, well... heh. heh,.
>yea, ok well the deal here is this.. heh
>ok ill say it
>yo dawg, the deal here is that when education becomes a for-profit enterprise, with kickbacks for the investor akin to a ponzi scheme.. well kiddo... heh
>well in that case the actual learning becomes useless, more-so attracting the new recruits.
>and heh..well
>well in that case.. heh, the learning cant be TOO hard.
>heh, haha, yo dawg, uh, heh, yea thats bout it dawg haha.

>>10484674
>with kickbacks for the investor
and i aint talkin bout no darn diddly student being the investor! uh heh!