/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10465635
Asteroid Mining and manufacturing. Bootstrap into space habitats around the asteroid belt.
Expand to Titan.
Reinforce an asteroid and mine out a colony and the means to grow, and a monument to Earth and the Solar System. Then fill the other end up with space nukes and pulse their way to alpha centauri.
Even if there aren't any planets you could live on, still plenty of resources to exploit, and you can begin to get eggs into different baskets.

L2 telescope to expand our scope via telescope interferometry. Also leo station for tourism.

I know this is a slow board, but there's a shitposting thread with more replies.
Shameless bump?
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>>10465715
Good show.

>>10465635
If this thread dies again, go for Space Economy as the title instead of "you are a space tycoon"

That aside, the Lunar Poles are the quick spots for fuel barons, but the first to figure out micro-gravity mining will head for bodies like Eros. There's a reason it's a ghost town by the time of the story in The Expanse, it's INCREDIBLY RICH in platinum group metals and after a few hundred years it's going to be expended.

>>10465896
If this thread dies I will just deem this whole board a hopeless black site and go back to /lit/ and jerk off to science fiction. Thanks anyways fren

t. /sci/ tourist

>>10465635
Probably around Earth's vincinity as I'll need to haul resources from there to further my plans (bioengineering).
Basically I'll construct a gigantic O'Neill Cylinder around the Earth and make it as close to a utopia as possible. Then I'll split the Cylinder into two sections. In one section I'll have genetically-perfect males, in the other females. The M:F ratio is 3:1. These "people" won't have had any social interactions as they're kept away from each other even without their own sections. Then on a random day I'll open all the doors and the inhabitants would be free to interact with each other.

Should make for an interesting show.

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>>10465635
Since Nasa and all the other space entities are planning on going to moon, I'm going to the moon too to support them.
Set up a base on the south pole, mine water ice, sell hydrolox, profit
The astro company could do work on a lander to transport fuel between the surface mining ops and the LOP-G's orbit, as well as work on some miners, habs, processors and electrolysis units.
This would bring new capability to all space craft that leave earth, enabling craft to refuel to come home, or to refuel to go farther. With excess fuel available around the moon, spacecraft will be able to make much more aggressive burns, reducing transit time to their objective, saving money through shorting mission duration. There are already economic benefits to be had with a lunar refueling platform and someone needs to make it happen.

>>10466508
Also, there are bound to be mineral or metal deposits somewhere on the Moon, it would make sense to mine these too since zero-g mining seems pretty difficult.

wish they deleted this crap again

>>10466655
>since zero-g mining seems pretty difficult.
There's just no precedent for it but its just a practical issue. Worst case scenario you just bring raw minerals into an artificial gravity environment like a big centrifuge and use traditional methods. You don't even need to worry much about polution and waste since you can just dump into space and you are so rich in raw material that efficiency doesn't matter as much.

>>10465635
Nobody needed to know that your first thread was deleted. We don't know the specifics of your kerfuffle, and the cosmos doesn't give a shit.

>>10466718
Why don't we just have impact fields setup on the moon a couple miles from underground moon bases? We could send out simple strap on boosters and just deorbit them into an impact field, then send out the mining crews who were hiding out a few miles away underground.

>>10465635
L5. HAIL ZEON!
>>10466655
>>difficult
any off world mining is going to be difficult.
>>10466737
How do you move an asteroid
>>10466718
why would you use traditional methods in space? Why would you use processes that require water, volatiles, and other materials that aren't cheap in space?

>>10466748
By moving small ones dense in valuable ore

>>10466748
>why would you use traditional methods in space?
Because you know they work. I'm saying you don't even need to wait to develop new refinement and manufacturing techniques to start exploiting the resources.
Once you begin asteroid mining in earnest your volatiles aren't even that rare since there are plenty of slushy carboniferous asteroids you can get to long before you need to start comet farming. You could even mine ice moons of the gas giants since part of my long term plan involves Titan you're in the neighborhood.
Shit you can even sell material to Earth for water if thats what youre hard up for. You've got to transition to a resource based economy once you start asteroid mining anyway, so its just as good as Space Credits for your space economy.
Moving asteroids isn't that tough assuming you don't mind waiting. Just use a gravitational tractor.

>>10466985
>>wait to develop new refinement techniques
>>once you develop asteroid mining in earnest ... volatiles... aren't ... rare
Sounds like a chicken and egg problem. Developing asteroid mining in earnest requires new refinement techniques. It will probably take less time to develop new techniques than to wait for the space economy to develop.
>>because you know they work
they might not though. We don't understand granular materials all that well, meaning facilities that process them aren't very reliable and can stop working if processing conditions change slightly. On earth we deal with the unreliability by having maintenance, but that's impractical in space.
>>gravity tractor
great now you have to wait literally decades to get your asteroid where you want it. In less than a decades time, processing techniques could be developed to make moving the entire asteroid obsolete.
>>carboniferous
I'm calling bullshit on the slush, most carbonaceous asteroids are sort of like coal in space. Also it turns out bag and boil doesn't work because it takes too long to heat them up. But hey, optical mining is being developed

>>10465635
Not a cent.
I would gut the company for all its worth. Every last dollar. Then, I would put all money and effort into taking charge of the state apparatus. Every single penny. If successful, I would make the state a dictatorial regime, headed by a single party, structured with a philosopher king reigning and having the final say. Then, get rid of all remnants of democracy and classical liberalism. Then I would plunder resource and asset rich countries and annex lands and nations in close proximity. Then I would get rid of the existing, inefficient, economic frame work and replace it with an AI driven command economy to direct all production organs to some greater purpose, which would be space travel. A estimate 30% of output will be used to further this end. It would put all these theoretical masturbatory muh space investments and space charity (le Tony starks) to shame. The command economy is not communist as I reject notions of egalitarianism and equality. Heirachry would be based on eugenic order.

>>10467022
... But mining in space is already a thing.

>>10467065
fucking socialist and dipshit

better to not go to space if you're going to do it unfairly. literal theft . they earned it. you have no goddam right.

wrong too. not a single socialist country ever went to space. never heard of a god damned venuezuala spaceforce. CHINA is capitalist now. russia is too. nasa is possible because of capitalism and supports it. " problem with socialism is eventually you rtub out of other people's money."

>>10467086
We have not used offworld material resources for any purpose besides research.

>>10465635
Mars lagrange.

Which is best? L2?

Lets go deeper then. Likely to be a shipyard at the closer lagrange point. This is so it can protect the habitat from being hit by the mass being launched from Mars.

Probably this shipyard will only be the second bona fide colony. The first being made up of a largely transient population on Mars.

>>10465635
Close solar orbit. Thick shielding, no windows, lots of passive solar steam punk electric generation.

>>10465635

https://www.space.com/51-asteroids-formation-discovery-and-exploration.html

>~1.1-1.9 million asteroids around 1km in size

Go grab a few of those bad boys and tug them into orbit around the Moon. Start carving out an interior surface so that it has a round volume, whose radius is 500meters and length is 750m. 250m of the outer surface in would be used as shielding against micrometeorites and solar radiation. The other 250m would be for manufacturing industry, research labs, recycling systems, electrical grids, superconducting fibers, etc.

While this is happening, simultaneously look for sources of hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen in the belt. Mine that and use it to build the life support systems of the asteroid colony, providing it with oxygen/nitrogen mix for life; hydrogen/oxygen mix for water, and hydrogen for fuel cells and fusion reactors. Build a dock on one side that's separated by a series of large, lockable, bulkhead doors. Also, add reaction engines for X/Y/Z axis movement.

Then from the rest of the belt, start bringing in materials to build an internal colony for around 750-1000 people. I'd also leverage 3D printing every possible area I can to speed up development and lower cost. Further, instead of allowing people to customize their own homes externally; I'd prefab green homes as much as possible. This keeps material requirements low while achieving maximum utility towards colonization possibilities. People can tweak to their hearts content on the inside.

Once all the infrastructure is stood up, I'd fly a crew in and fly the asteroid colony, I'd open it up for colonization: $100k per person if they're single or $250k for a family of 4. I'd imagine the cost for 1k people to immigrate into a space colony would then come to be around 1-200M. Assuming you relied on 3D printing and automation as much as possible, you might be able to squeeze development into a 150-175M cost bracket and take a $25-50M profit home.

>>10467135
>wrong too. not a single socialist country ever went to space. never heard of a god damned venuezuala spaceforce. CHINA is capitalist now. russia is too. nasa is possible because of capitalism and supports it. " problem with socialism is eventually you rtub out of other people's money."

Venezuala is capitalist, not socialist.

>>10468446
The moon is way too close to the earth and there will be very little development in earth orbit. Let me explain why.

Earth is a petri dish of competing nations. They will not allow development which could threaten their independence. It would be economic suicide for earth to attack the moon but it is much cheaper for the moon to drop things on earth.

This is before safety considerations. There is evidence that regular catastrophic events occur which also affect objects surrounding our sun. Nobody wants a huge orbital station crashlanding on the earth.

Nobody will trust the designs at first. Until the capability is demonstrated elsewhere earth society would not even consider it.

I imagine the moon will be exploited early on to provide bulk for radiation barriers. Later it may be militarised by the banks who will hoarde their space gold there in vaults.

>>10465635

Logical increments are as follows.

0. Establish an Equatorial Launch Ring. No, not that sci-fi nonsense you are probably thinking about. What I mean is a string of launch platforms on the equator, around 150 of them encircling the Earth, spaced ~250 kilometers apart. Then have SpaceX style reusable methane rockets continuously hop around the ring in the direction of Earth rotation, launching payloads with ever hop and landing on the next platform to be immediately reused again. It should be possible to orbit hundreds of thousands of tons of payload per year with this system. No need for RTLS also increases payload mass and reduces wear on the engines.

1. build large spinning space stations equatorial low Earth orbit - it is the only place where effects of cosmic rays are significantly reduced due to our magnetosphere, and also coincidentally the easiest orbit to launch to from Earth. Some prime real estate indeed.

http://space.alglobus.net/

2. Optional: space station with a propellant depot in frozen lunar polar orbit. These are rare low lunar orbits that are stable, and we need polar one to easily access lunar poles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_orbit#Lunar_frozen_orbits

3. Settle lunar poles. There is solar power available constantly at peaks of eternal light and also valuable volatiles frozen in permanently shadowed craters (hydrogen, and maybe also nitrogen and carbon). ISRU produce propellant and many other things.

>>10468707
4. Establish Mars surface base. See SpaceX plans for details. Here comes a crucial fork in our space colonization plans. Either Martian gravity is enough to support human life long term, including pregnancy and growing children. In which case Mars colony will become the focus of our efforts at this stage. Ir it is not and then we merely establish a modest base on the surface and go to the next step.

5. Colonize Phobos and Deimos. Put a spinning space stations around retrograde (for stability) orbits around them. Use local resources and ISRU as much as possible. Availability of volatiles on these moons is a big question mark here.

6. Colonize the asteroid belt (Ceres, Vesta, Pallas..), again with rotating stations in low retrograde orbits around the roids. Apply what we learned on Martian moons here, this time with plentiful volatiles available.

7. Expand to outer solar system, here you will probably need large rotating city-sized spaceships with heavy radiation shielding, or alternatively very fast propulsion systems. Now we are getting into real sci-fi territory and so I will cease to speculate further..

Go to mercury and build underground shelters.
Free metal and solar energy for everyone.
Use metal to make heavy suits for people not to turn into jello.

Die because there is no goddamn water on the planet at all.

I'd probably do what Bob Johansson did

>>10468713
>Die because there is no goddamn water on the planet at all.
Theres some in polar craters, you can also process rock to get water from hydrates. It's not easy and cheap, but you could make it work.

Get 10 wealthiest people on planet into rocket to get them visit a moon colony.

Accidental rocket explosion on low earth orbit.


Honestly if I inherited stuff like that, I would make closed biome stuff on earth to test out stuff.

And research base on moon would be first step.

Research base.

Colony sounds too imperial slave making shit. But I'll get a black astronaut to pick cotton on the moon just for fun.

>>10468709
How many successfull births did you have in low gravity? Pass the blunt.

>>10469567
How many unsuccessful ones have you had?

>>10469629
I guess we should try to find out before assuming that fully functional human embryo will develop in low gravity...

Has there been atleast mice on ISS?

>>10469761
>Has there been atleast mice on ISS?
Nope.

>>10469843
I'll get the mice and you get us space station.

We're going to be first to do that experiment, it can be ground breaking!

Really, why nobody tried? It's cringe that nobody tried. Even bigger cringe if somebody did and I just didn't googled it.

>>10469882
I hope they never put mice in space. Guaranteed they will escape and spread everywhere. I don't want to explain to another captain that I gave his ship rats.

>>10468483
Last time I was at a satanic sexual ritual with the Rothschilds they admitted they were planning to gold plate the moon and make it as bright as it used to be a very long time ago.

How would the problem of moving large quantities of resources and products back to earth be solved? pushing the thing out of orbit of the moon/another small heavenly body is relatively cheap. Do you use a disposable landing mechanism and deliver it to wherever you need on earth?

>>10470536
It's not worth investing in heavily. Very little will be sent to earth except currency, which is digital. Early on some high value materials will be dropped off a few times but after that all the money will be made and spent in space not on earth.

Earth will stagnate. The lower classes will leave for space because that is where the oportunities are. The rich and stubborn will remain and languish in a shrinking financial vortex which will go on for a very long time.

Growing the economy of earth is not the purpose. The purpose is economic growth on a scale not seen in thousands of years. If ever before.

>>10470557
I think you are correct, but I was thinking specifically of in the beginning where the extraction of raw material from asteroids and such would be relevant no? I just thought the idea of delivering from space is kind of interesting since every spot on earth is essentially the same distance in some sense.

Earth/Moon L5

Minimal station keeping and always trailing the moon.

>>10470562
Hmm, if it progresses beyond a few gold bars in dragon capsules then the easist way would be via mass driving specialty capsules straight for earth.

However I fear paranoid militaries will not like the idea.

>>10471334
mass driving things directly towards earth will be banned by all nations on pain of absolute nuclear assraping of everything and everyone tangentially related to you

there will be catcher stations to pick that shit up instead, and gently send it down as not kinetic bombardment missiles

>>10471342
Yes I agree. The moon would probably be a good spaceport. It's a nice big target with some gravity to help draw things into orbit. Anything heading directly at earth would probably be destroyed.

Is it possible to create magnetic tractor beams yet?

>>10471348
Nope
they're still trying to make them though, but it isn't working

Titan. The presence of hydrocarbons (especially a methane cycle), complex organic molecules, a mostly inert nitrogen yet high-pressure atmosphere, low gravity, water ice, possible water-ammonia liquid layer, and shielding by the magnetic field of Saturn will allow the exploitation of the resources, easier chemical synthesis of complex reactions not possible in Earth's atmosphere with the abundant raw organic molecules and hydrocarbons. The colony would be highly automated and industrial in nature. Think massive oil refinery/chemical plant but even taller and imposing due to the low gravity. The colony would export refined and synthesized products in high demand on Earth and be very profitable. Since rocky and metallic material is difficult to access, the colony might require importation of metals for infrastructure from near-Saturn asteroid mining. As much of the scaffolding and "cold-zones" of the industry as possible would be constructed of ice.

some nice Starship renders

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>>10471521
ugliest rocket ever designed, seriously.

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>>10471524
looks great tho?

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>>10471523
stop posting, i already puked.

>>10469561
Was this written by a 1990s AI or just some moron? It reads like moron text. Medication must be involved at least.

10471539
hello again fagboy
>>10471530
post more you glorious bastard, it burns the spammer like holy water
maybe he'll finally fuck off for good if we go further