/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10452664
join a cult

>>10452664
start a cult bro

be born a jew

>>10452673
Okay but I need a name.

What's Latin for something like "Order of the Best Frens"?

>>10452673
Not OP, but how to do this? The crux of the problem seems to be that you want an inner circle of people who are motivated and skilled at gaining power over others, but you don't want them to be able to displace you as the Leader. What kind of information asymmetry or organizational structure can help with this? Anyone got any tips?

>>10452679
Try asking the former president of south korea, she was in a cult like that

>>10452679
>What kind of information asymmetry or organizational structure can help with this?
never gonna make it brah
You become a cult leader by being a bigger sociopath than the other guy. You don't get to be a socially awkward sperg and solve the problem with logistics.

>>10452697
Not true. She was in politics. The group you may be referring to was the influence people felt through her of the two boys playing league of legends in her ear. That was me and Faker. You have no clue what youre talking about.

>>10452697
Is it possible to do without any religious wackiness? I read Hannah Arendt's The Origins of Totalitarianism, which has some good tips based on the Nazis and the Russian Communists, but it's not clear that their techniques are usable if you don't get to murder your opponents, which is out of the question. Something like Scientology is a totalitarian organization that's closer to home and AFAIK hasn't intentionally had anyone killed, but also has some element of religious wackiness. Each of these groups had leaders that maintained power for a long time, how did they do it?

>>10452703
I'm not a socially awkward sperg, but I would never in a million years get near a true cultist sociopath without a method for keeping him under control

>>10452703
>logistics
You don't know what logistics is, do you.
>You become a cult leader by being a bigger sociopath than the other guy
The window of opportunity for new cults is largely closed in the US, so in any case it doesn't really matter what made them tick.

>>10452706
There's not much difference between an organised people with a government and a religion. They both start their value and belief system from asserted fundamental and unprovable axioms. Of course this difference is going to cause eaxh grouo to view the other as a wacko cult.

>>10452708
>The window of opportunity for new cults is largely closed in the US
Why is that? I think the atomization of society and the normlessness and meaninglessness that a lot of people feel in modern life provides a fertile ground for organizations that could provide that meaning

>>10452674
literally this

>>10452717
The Internet and things like Jonestown and Scientology becoming widely known.

>>10452708
nxivm
liberal arts academia

>>10452727
I think you're probably overestimating the degree to which access to outside information has to be a problem. It makes things easier if you can totally cut someone off from all information, but as you say it's not practical anymore and it's immoral anyway. Instead, people have to want to be in the organization because it provides something for them. Scientology still exists and high level Scientologists certainly have access to external information, yet they're sticking around because they're getting something of value to them.

>>10452717
Globalization means the ability for an entire planet to enforce (through violence and coercion) the status quo on a global scale.

>>10452732
Are you from 100 years in the future or something? It theoretically may get to that point, but we're obviously not at a point where that ability exists today. The globalists couldn't even stop Trump getting elected.

>>10452731
>Scientology still exists
It'd getting smaller and smaller as we speak.
>and high level Scientologists certainly have access to external information, yet they're sticking around because they're getting something of value to them.
Sure, but one of the things of value it provides is not being hated by and losing social relationships with the other people who are already in the cult. It's different if you're thinking of joining now.

>>10452734
Your mind is so small.

>>10452740
>I have strong opinions on abstract matters that I don't bother to check against empirical reality

>>10452738
Scientology is old and busted though, and everything about it is a product of the 1950s. It hasn't aged well. That doesn't imply that it must be harder to start an equivalent organization today, though that may be true to some degree. Certainly you couldn't get away with starting the exact same organization today, some degree of outside the box thinking is required

>>10452743
You cant even comprehend Why You may be wrong.

>>10452664


Become a vegan

>>10452664
The jews.

>>10452750
I would ask you to tell me Why, but based on the quality of your responses so far I can't bring myself to care

>>10452734
>babby's first controlled opposition
>>10452730
>nxivm
It shut down before becoming anything more than a bunch of groupies agreeing to BDSM stuff. Sure, it could be considered a cult, but it never consolidated its power.
>liberal arts academia
Doesn't fit the definition of a cult even if it displays cult-like behavior. If anything it's a religion except without anything supernatural.
>>10452751
>Become a vegan
See above. Too large and decentralized to be considered a cult.
>>10452748
Well, so far nothing has taken its place. Since Waco the powers that be seem to have decided they don't like private organizations gaining too much autonomy (if we are to believe Jonestown wasn't run by the CIA).

>>10452761
>babby's first controlled opposition
>powers that be
Take off your tinfoil hat bro. There is nothing to suggest that Trump was expected or desired by any elite organization, except for the GOP which was stuck with him once he got the nomination. In any case, I'm sorry for even bringing Trump into this, I don't want to talk about politics.

>>10452761
>>nxivm
bankrolled by one of the most powerful people in the world
convinced countless women to mutilate themselves, serve as sex slaves, and provide blackmail material on theselves
we really won't know how deep the rabbit hole went until the ongoing court case is over. there's likely going to be a superseding indictment that is released in the next few weeks

>>10452664
be the type of person you want to attract

>>10452769
>>10452761
also, there's literally an active cult in NYC. it advertises on the subway. people still get suckered into it though. it's called the school for practical philosophy. a cursory google search will tell you that it's a cult. but that doesn't stop them from recruiting new people.

>>10452768
>implying

>>10452769
>bankrolled by one of the most powerful people in the world
Yeah but that's kind of the point. When you need to pour millions of external money into marketing to get a decent following that means the cult isn't self sustaining. Unless it actually made more money than it costed to run.
>>10452773
>every self help business is a cult

>>10452664
cult

Click

>>10452674
/thread

>>10452772
This doesn’t work. I have literally never met another human significantly like-minded to myself.

>>10452664
>radical and highly motivated individuals whose only allegiance is to the interests of the group and the acquisition of superiority over all others?

Welcome brother, you're finally ready.
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t166635/

>>10452985
are u the type of person you'd want to hang out with

Click the link secret NASA files http://MyWorkingHour.com/?userid=841982

>>10452664
Clones...

>>10453224
Yes.

>>10453320
well ok i guess you shouldn't be like what you want to attract

>>10453375
Heh

>>10452664
That's unironically what the freemasons are for. They ain't stonemasons... MAISON

>>10454392
They're puppets of the jews, not really independent though

>>10452761
One good recent non-Scientology example of a cult is the Bay Area rationalists. They are a weak cult in the sense of the lack of totalitarian organization, but they've definitely got the "radical and highly motivated individuals whose only allegiance is to the interests of the group and the acquisition of superiority over all others" down. I personally can't stand them or anything about their culture, and I'd literally join Scientology before I'd join them, but is there anything to be learned from how they formed? One thing is that a lot of their activity is online.

>>10455977
I was involved with them for a while. If they're a cult then Eliezer Yudkowsky is the weakest cult leader I've ever seen, because everyone in that community believes he's kinda nuts and even cringey (although sure the majority of them are cringey lefty nerds themselves) even if he does come up with interesting ideas sometimes.
It's true that his "MIRI" institute gives me cultish vibes though, but I think that's just because Silicon Valley millionaires live that vibe, and he wants to scam money out of them.

If anything what you're talking about is a collection of loosely related cults (MIRI, CFAR, EA, cryonics, the SSC blog, etc)

>>10456211
Like I said, lack of totalitarian organization. From what I can tell, this is mainly because Yudkowsky sincerely believes himself to be a "good guy", and "good guys" don't start cults. The ingredients for a solid cult are there - promises of esoteric abilities, specialized jargon, purported goal of saving/changing the world, etc. It's possible that Yudkowsky would have lacked the skills to run a proper cult anyway, but he could have made a solid crack at it if he tried. Of course his cult would still have consisted of cringey nerds, but that comes with the territory of what they choose to focus on.

>>10456211
>>10456224
>promises of esoteric abilities, specialized jargon, purported goal of saving/changing the world, etc
To continue this line, I think a comparison with Scientology is instructive. Scientology also has these features and is similarly focused on expanding human ability. There really are a lot of parallels. I'm personally deeply fascinated b Scientology - it's clear that L Ron Hubbard couldn't into the scientific method for the life of him despite his conviction that he was doing "science" on religion itself, but the man was unquestionably a true genius. It's stunning what he managed to create, and the organization's (and his own) descent into madness is incredible to read about.

>>10452664
You have /sci/,anon

>>10455977

>>10458036
Would be better if the chad side was written in faggy LessWrong jargon, with Lots of Capitalization

>>10452664
Learn to make psychedelic drugs and give them out to people for free. I can guarantee you will amass a very serious cult in just a couple weeks.

>>10456224
>The ingredients for a solid cult are there - promises of esoteric abilities, specialized jargon, purported goal of saving/changing the world, etc.
Problem is his fan base is actually smart. They can go on google scholar and use sci hub and are skeptical of supernatural ability claims. Plus again, he's a cringey fat fuck and anybody can see that. Hubbard was charismatic and fit.
On the other hand scientology is a bunch of hollyjew low IQ boomers that'll believe anything if you spice it with new age bullshit.

>>10452664
To start a group like that requires that all members of the group contribute something, always. If someone is no longer necessary to the grop, you will be discplaced. Consider the First Trimvurate. Crassus, Pompey, and Caesar all started out in a mutually beneficial relationship. But when Caesar got the upper hand and no longer needed them, they were simply got rid of. The problem is if you want to start such a group, how will you be useful, and how long will your use extend?

>>10460020
I'm not entirely convinced that high intelligence makes you immune to cults or indoctrination. The problem with something like Scientology for smart people is that Hubbard was one of those cranks who liked to build up elaborate theories based on minimal or no empirical evidence. I can easily imagine a much scarier Scientology that dispenses with the crankitude and is otherwise mostly identical.
>>10460585
This goes back to my original question >>10452679. Purges of executive leadership seem to be a universal feature of these kinds of organizations, but the charismatic leaders at the top somehow manage to purge without getting purged themselves. How?

>>10452664
>cults in 2019 that aren't tied to genetics
You could try investing until you laugh together with your bros anon

>>10452707
Do you understand that the spire is that that they are attempting to undermind by being with each other instead? Have you ever left that fake country in there or are you still on the urgot the thors used to "make" you take when you wanted to get fucked by someone else anddidn't understand these men were sent here to die and with the diseases they had in them in tow as the demon child you would spawn to stay here in the world with them for eternity. FOR WINNING AGAINST THE RELIGION YOU STUPID FUCKING GUITAR PLAYING RETARD ALLEGIANCE KRYPTONiTE TO COCK WHORE

get paid your lousy 50 for a pic by a sperg that likes it anyway and pays alice 2000 for a lay and gets pics and is okay with it! You try that. Nasty shit. She even poops on stream sometimes. IT's fucking gross dealing with emma rohan my boat to the bank with ccofeee in my anus and bullets flying over head. 11!

>>10461876
Mentally ill people don't get admitted into the cult, we need superior humans not dead weight

>>10461876
Like literally your ancestors won but you wanted to have sex and it totally went over your head and you keep just wanting to have sex. It's okay you are like 40% of the female population. The other 60 live to be over 60 about 90 percent of the time. Not you.

>>10461881
mentally ill people tend to generalize the status for a cult a lot better than you've been doing for that korean gimmick with the old white man jew for a shield. Like you are forgetting we arae simply donning armors of you people. No one likes your scent. You smell like fucking matza dipped in hot sauce.

>>10452664
Well genetics kinda puts a damper in that goal and a group like that is kind of a really shitty thing to do if you think about it

>>10461890
>shitty thing to do
Why?

>>10452664