/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10439507
Delet the thread you fool, this technology must remain a secret if you want an edge over your competition.

>>10439515
This, so fucking much.

Yes, it is possible to use Anki for subjects like math and, of course, it is not as straightforward as using it for non-STEM subjects.

But I won't reveal my secret, I wasn't born with talent or good parents. Space repetition software is the only thing that lets me compete against the high functioning autists. Sorry OP, I can't let you take it away form me.

The amount of autism in this thread tends to infinity. pls delet

>>10439552
I won't, I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy it at this point

I've never needed to memorize more than a few definitions (and you eventually learn them intuitively after using them in proofs), so I doubt you'd get much out of it. The volume of memorized info (vs. things you're supposed to deduce logically) is much smaller than in medicine or when learning a language.

>>10439507
>Why, yes I use anki to learn mathematics, how could you tell?

I use anki for everything. It's how I got through physics with a sub 100 IQ.

Anki will ruin the view you have of the world. You'll slowly realize that EVERYTHING is memorization based. Even "create thinking" such as programming, mathematics and physics are largely memorization based. It will break your preconceived notions that memorization is bad and that you should solve things with creative thinking because you will solve all problems out of sheer memorization and remembering similar solutions. It'll make you feel like a fraud but you'll breeze through university if you use it wisely.

>>10439507
I asked myself the same questions after witnessing what it did to me with languages. I recently found this post regarding maths.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8ZugMc4E5959Xh86i/how-i-use-anki-to-learn-mathematics

tl;dr: yeah you can use srs mostly to help you retain large numbers of definitions, of which it's easy to lose track while trying to quick read an entire book. 1 deck per book.

I have never tried it, guess I will, but I also feel like if you're used to making proofs sketches you could make some cards with those to. Just to memorize the main steps/ideas.

>>10439515
So based tho. I just wonder how much easier would it be for so many students in degrees where you're basically asked to memorize. It really does black magic

>>10439886
I think you can the cloze feature nicely with the steps of a proof or even steps of a problem in engineering/physics/chem

>>10439755
t. retard who never used Anki and tries to make fun of its users

You are supposed to use Anki AFTER you learn something.

>>10439780
Physics is problem solving, isn't it? How does spaced repetition help with that. For memorising formulas, sure

>>10440460
Most all disciplines are problem-solving. You are more effective at problem-solving if you are more solid on your definitions and facts.

>>10440491
How do you memorize definition and facts with Anki? You write the sentence out and omit a word and then ask for that word?

>>10440500

no, you memorize stuf based on how much you will be given later in the exam and how relevant it is
if its very relevant/important you memorize it fully by heart, then the flash card becomes almost useless because its simply a reminder to revise the whole thing
most facts raen't like that though, like if somebody asks you something, they wont ask you to come up with everything but wiull give u a part of it, example fwould be , when was DNA discovered?
and you need to know that DNA was discovered 1869 by F. Miescher , then you can make 2 cards , one which emits DNA was discovered, the other by whom and when
Look up the 20 rules of making flash cards, its actually very important that you make good and simple flash cards or the work reduction is practically 0

>>10440419
>t. Anki dev

Bump

Gib linear algebra and abstract algebra ankis plox

Bump

>>10441238
>>10441255
>>10441717
Stop bumping you dumbass. SRS is supposed to be a secret. Dumb people ruin everything. Sage

>>10440500
For math context:
> Theorems, corollaries
> Anywhere ranging from memorizing the conditions + content of the thm itself to memorizing the approach to prove the theorem
> Definitions
> Algorithms (i.e. steps to do a specific application)
You get the picture

>>10441730
You're the fucking retard. Which normie is going to 'steal' this secret on a thread from 4chan? Also normies use Quizlet, and that already has SRS

>>10439549
HFA here, I'm now going to use this also, to further my abilities over you, peasant.

DELETE THIS THREAD

THEY MUST NOT KNOW

>>10441797
No

Bump

>>10440491
hm, I guess I've never yet had difficulty remembering difficulties and facts. I've tried SRS and it didn't do anything for me. I guess I am wired different or that I'm just doing it wrong. Or that my classes were too easy or low level

>>10439507
I've ignored this thread for the past few days, but I'm bored so I'll share my experience.
I knew of Anki since high school, when I was using it to learn the Kanji quite successfully for the time I actually did it.
Then I went to college and I struggled a bit, so I began using Anki for everything. Then I read about the origins of SRS, and how Supermemo actually has a superior algorithm and quite a few more features, so I bought that program too and began storing everything on it and using it's "incremental learning" feature to try to learn new stuff.
Pro tip: it's bullshit.
I failed at college catastrophically, dropped out and became a NEET.
Spaced repetition is not superior to learning and using knowledge in the context you actually need it.
It might be useful to learn a few things you don't actually use often in your life such as people's birthdays, random quotes and so on, but it's useless in the context of college and functional knowledge.

>>10441877
I mean at some point you will hit a ceiling and you can't just memorize everything in one go. Or maybe you're just a genius? What are you taking currently?

>>10441977
I don't think anyone here believes that memorization = understanding. It's just memorizing fundemental facts gives you a strong foundation to piece together whole understanding. You are just an idiot thinking that flashcards = free A.

>>10442000
Well, the guy who created the first computerized SRS system and the algorithm Anki uses (Piotr Woźniak) disagrees with you, and believes you can piece together understanding just by using spaced repetition.

>>10442004

imagine just outright lying without any kind of shame, he even wrote a guide to make flash cards where he writes to not try to memorize what you do not understand

its actually even the first of his rules:

do not learn if you do not understand


https://www.supermemo.com/en/articles/20rules

>>10441977
>

anki will not learn the material for you, it simply gives you a timeframe to repeat what you want to retain
if you cant or dont bother to learn the material to begin with, you are also not going to remember it or be able to apply it obviously

>>10442035
By "understand" he means breaking up information into small bits which can be memorized individually, and then when you commit to memory those individual facts your mind will make the connections by itself.
https://www.supermemo.com/articles/devour.htm#Incremental%20reading
Literally his preferred method of learning is loading an article or chapter of a book into his software and extracting snippets of text to convert into cloze deletions for spaced repetition.

>>10442039
According to Piotr it should be possible to deconstruct any set of knowledge into flash cards and learn the material through spaced repetition itself.

>>10442035
To extend my answer >>10442053, by "do not memorize that which you don't understand" he literally means don't try to memorize the actual text of the sentences, nothing else. When he gives the example of the english speaking guy who has memorized a book in german, he's alleging to that.

>>10441977
>optimized flashcards are bullshit
You are a moron.

>>10441977
Well said.

As this brainl- I mean extremely wise person says with his anecdotal e.. I mean solid proof, Anki is fucking bullshit for anything that is not learning a language or medicine.

You are wasting your time reading this thread. Many retards out there will waste tons of hours creating useless decks and fail their classes because of a meme. Don't be one of them. Anki is not for math, repeat with me. ANKI IS NOT FOR MATH.

>>10442067

yes, anki is for literally anything that you want to remember

at the very worst it gives you sane time intervals that you can adjust to your own brain

>>10439515
Pretty much this. When i've realised I can use anki for literally anything in life and can memorize anything I want my productivity and academia has increased by like 100x.

>tfw the post of that french CS guy who uses Anki for math has been posted
>tfw is a matter of time before another faggot posts that other blog with the final secret of using Anki to boost your math skills

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>>10442109
reveal your secret weenie...

>>10442089
xe was being ironic in this case. The eternal (((math majors))) don't want the goy to know their secrets

>>10442109
We're all artists here. Half of us are neets or go to community college, just post your shit so we can escape working at McDonald's

Used anki for my first med school semester = complete garbage.
Took notes, mentally focused and thought about what i was studying in second semester = grades went up significantly.

>>10442109
>>tfw is a matter of time before another faggot posts that other blog with the final secret of using Anki to boost your math skills
wat dis?

>>10441730
The entire language learning community knows about anki it's not a fucking secret

>>10442546
Is it one of
http://archive.is/XsbRr
https://www.gwern.net/Spaced-repetition
http://www.jackkinsella.ie/articles/janki-method
https://sivers.org/srs
?

>>10442558
These are more about programming though and less about CS. Wouldn't mind seeing something similar for say data structures and algorithms

My routine for undergrad chemisitry (everything from orgo to statistical thermodynamics to quantum mechanics. especially biological chem) :

>Create a top level deck for the year, sub decks for modules, lecture courses within modules (or whatever your stupid fucking yank hierarchy of course content is).
>Get addons for anki, advanced statistics, night mode, a splattering of 'gameifying' ones ( i use puppy reinforcement, review heatmap, visual feedback, more overview stats 2, night mode & progress bar)
>Modify anki so you can create 10 questions from one question (https://managingmedicine.org/2013/05/14/how-to-make-high-quality-anki-cards-quickly/))
>Get digital versions of your notes/textbooks
>Use windows snipping tool or whatever to capture pictures of notes, definitions, questions, basically anything you can and edit as you see fit
>Create up to 10 questions per picture
>You now have a perfect set of combined lecture notes, questions and revision material sorted by sub topic

even an hour or so a day making questions, with semi regular reps will make it impossible to fail any course that isnt maths tripos at cambridge

Anyone have tips for transcribing formula into latex more quickly?

>>10442671
S-share decks pls?

>>10442849
anything in particular?

>>10442671
>that isnt maths tripos at cambridge
So Anki is not that good for math?

>>10442984
cant imagine any real maths course being surmountable with anki, useful for any definitions or rote questions maybe though

>>10442981
Not him, but all of them would be great.

Flashcards that aren't your own are useless.

>>10439549
HFA here, 160 IQ and using Anki since 2 years ago. You have been outclassed, boy.

spent half an hour trying to transcribe a short proof in anki. htf do you guys do this? this is miserable, also the latex font is way too large relative to the normal font and it doesnt seem to be possible to shrink it

>>10444036
Write the the entire proof in latex in vim, copy paste in deck editor

>>10439507
This is a shill thread, I used to shill for tech companies and this is exactly how we proceeded, making you retards think it's a secret club that has to be kept under the rug or else everyone will know about that fabulous thing ! Hope no 3 digit-IQ anon is falling for those shills.

>>10444102
you realize anki is completely free right?

>>10444104
Hope they are paying you well

>>10444108

but it really is lol , its free on android and pc since forever

>>10444109
0.000001 btc have been deposited in your account

I've been lurking this thread since yesterday so I might as well chime in. Anki is a fucking superpower. Spaced repetition is like alien secret technology and humanity doesn't deserve it. I personally went from being an average student at university to an academic superstar overnight. It was amazing. The funny part is the dejected looks on my peers' faces whelst during class I know all the answers and on the exams I score near perfectly. Even on the tricky stuff, since I've filled my skull with all manner of memorable insight and I've made flashcards from every angle of a subject.
The most devastating technique I discovered was this, and listen closely /sci/lets cuz you only get one.
Download your textbook from libgen, if it's maths, get the solutions manual too. Open the pdf in GIMP. This will make a layer for every page. Reflect on this point. As you normally go through the typically poorly written tome, you notice how often something will be covered earlier in the book yet not properly explained until later. But by the time you get to the later part, you've forgotten the earlier part exists or it isn't fresh so you don't get the proper insight. With GIMP, as you go through the book making your cards, you delete passages and pages. Yet you leave behind the parts that either aren't explained well or you just don't *get*. After you've finished the book, Go through for a second run starting at the beginning. There'll be much less material but you'll have the proper context to understand what you skipped over earlier. With this technique, you will be a GOD. Nothing beyond your grasp no matter how recondite. You're welcome.

>>10444208
Can you post some sample cards or decks?

>>10444208

how many cards do u have?

>>10444102
>>10444104
>>10444108
>>10444109
It's paid on ios

>>10444241

> he has an IOS device

you deserve to get fucked in your asshole just for that

>>10444208
so are you just copying and pasting screenshots of your textbook into the cards? curious what one of them looks like

>>10444258

basically he deletes the parts he understands and makes them into cards, then in a second reading makes cards from the parts he didn't

>>10444218
>Can you post some sample cards?
Here's the thing. You really need to make your own cards at first as Anki is not so much a science as an art. At first you will suck at it but through trial and error, you will go from being shit to a virtuoso. And you need to be learning the material from the source as you go along and transfer that learning to your SRS system for long term memorization and insight building. There is no shortcut and using pre-made decks while seductive is a newbie mistake.
I said I wasn't going to offer any more suggestions but, fuck it. What you can do is learn a subject and make your own cards at first then go to https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/ and download a deck on your subject. Doing it this way actually enhances the learning process as you see a subject through someone else's eyes and you may find something you missed.
>>10444240
>How many cards.
25,226 and it takes me about 10 minutes to keep up with it every day. Most high leverage 10 minutes I spend in my life.
>>10444258
>so are you just copying and pasting screenshots of your textbook into the cards? curious what one of them looks like
Not exactly. Sometimes I do but often I will reword stuff since, again, most textbooks are poorly written. The biggest issue I find is authors writing in the "passive voice" where the subject is acted on by the verb. It is much better to make Anki cards in the "active voice". Look it up.
When I do put an actual page in my notes, I use the excellent Image Occlusion add-on at https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1111933094..
>>10444273
Natch, since we're all geniuses here on /sci/, the parts we don't instantly understand tend to be the things that separate the 95th percentile from the 99.9th. The second run is what precipitates this ascension.
A good resource for those of us trying to grok research papers is http://augmentingcognition.com/ltm.html
Written by some physicist who uses Anki to great effect to keep up with advances in machine learning.

>>10444300
> Image Occlusion add-on
Fucking based. Thanks anon

>>10444300
dude.. Holy fuck

>>10439795
You use the memory of things you learned to be creative anyways. If you learned to be abstract as fuck, you will be abstract as fuck.

>>10444300
>c

> 10 minutes

how many cards per 10 min? what subjects?

>>10444242
I didn't say that I do but it says it's paid on the Anki website

>>10444327
>how many cards per 10 min? what subjects?
I use a load balancing plugin so I usually see about 100 cards or so but as time goes on you see cards less and less until eventually there years in between. I have some cards that I won't see again for a decade. If you amortize 25000 cards over 40 years, the time involved is about 80 seconds a day. And that is an enormous copus covering everything from computer programming languages like C, Python, and Go to linear algebra to statistics, to stock trading, guitar and music theory (I use SRS for procedural stuff unlike most people), Vim shortcuts, soft bullshit like English composition, certain libraries like numpy, health stuff like diet, macro/micro nutrient stuff, fitness, psychology and logical fallacy stuff, debate, political gotchas, peoples' phone numbers, important dates like birthdays, and on and on. If I think I will spend more than a minute in my life looking something up, I make a card as studying the card over the next 40-60 years will take less than that minute. Gwern goes indepth and his review should be read thoroughly. A link is somewhere above.

>>10444338
This sounds like you are learning trivia.

>>10444343
>This sounds like you are learning trivia.
What in that list seems trivial to you?

>>10439507
i learned a lot of kanji. krashen says the only way to learn a word so that it gets drilled into your brain and insuperable to the idea of the word is to consume content in that language so anki cant replace that. even though I memorize the definitions all that really matters is I know the reading so I can form full sentences while im reading. from their the definition gets created in my mind in a way that I cant instantly recognize it and recall it to use in a sentence. so its actually pretty limited in its use but good at what it supposed to do.

>Image occlusion

STOP IT YOU FOOL

WHY ARE YOU TELLING THEM ALL THE SECRETS REEEE

>>10444591

what did she mean by this?

>>10444593
>I ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders

>>10444591
No, Anki would be a wedge placed under Sisyphus's rock so that I will never roll down.

>>10444353

I use Anki to pull sentences from NHK and translate loosely with Jisho. Over time similar kanji keep appearing and become familiar, and on a higher level the grammar structure, repeated conjugation, etc. Important kanji get their own cards for shits and giggs

>>10444806
that's cool as fuck, thanks for the practical info. I like this better than just doing single word flashcards

>>10444353
>>10444806
Can you actually write down the kanjis you've remembered that way or just read them?

>>10444979
Not him, but I've been studying Japanese for years (like 7+), using Anki for the last 3 or so since my vocab was lacking. I can read just about anything contemporary now (some 3-4k kanji, who knows how many words) but I can't write anything more complex than 言. If you want to learn that, you'll have to study it specifically. I don't think most people would need it though.

How is it better than old fashioned flash cards?

>>10445094
>Spaced repetition is fiddly to do with physical cards.
>You don't have to carry around a stack of cards with you, it's digital.

Bump

>>10445094
There are a few advantages. First, when you get a lot of cards, say thousands, the scheduling can get very complicated and unwieldy tovdo by hand. Another thing is the "cards" on the computer have a lot more flexibility. You can have audio, video, masked images, custom hinting with javascript in the case of Anki. Anki has a lot of plugins that add extra capabilities too like load balancing. Another thing like the sibling mentioned is portability. You can take your smartphone everywhere. Have a few seconds standing in line?nDo some cards.

>>10445025
> I can read just about anything contemporary now (some 3-4k kanji, who knows how many words) but I can't write anything more complex than 言
what if you want to take the JLPT or live in Japan eventually? you'll need to be able to write more than that

>>10444870
>>10444979

Thanks, and writing kanji is a separate practice. I'm a mathematician by training and haven't used Anki for anything math related simply because I learn manipulations better through writing. A similar principle to writing kanji.
After years of lurking this is one of the best threads I've seen here, keep it up frens.

>>10442981

I'm very interested in your card creation and organizational methods, if you're still here anon please divulge further.

Currently learning Spanish using Anki. It works.

>>10445851
randomly came back to the thread at exactly the right time. ive basically explained everything i do, addons and everything. what do you want to know about?

>>10445867

That's true, I must have glossed over the master deck/ sub deck thought. Card formatting for language is relatively straight forward, but for the sciences I've never been able to properly condense the information into a useful form.

In short, could you provide an example of a card from your deck? I'm currently in a QM class right now, and I'd greatly enjoy seeing how you've set up your questions/ answers.

>>10445924
I'd like to see the same, but for e.g math proofs

>>10439721
>>10440491
It's well known that one of the best ways to learn proofs is to repeatedly do them yourself without looking at the book. Using anki streamlines that process by automatically deciding when you should review a given proof next.

>>10444036
Don't use inline latex, put the entire text inside a [latex] block. Or just take a screenshot of the proof.

Any visual learner here?

What do you guys think about using GIFs in your Anki cards?

>>10446132
It could help. But you need to understand that what you memorize with Anki, you will need to use it without it. So no GIF.

Bump

>>10442109
>not supporting your fellow 'tists
please anon. A lot of us are struggling.

>>10442383
>use anki, 2-FMA, mentally focused and think about what you're learning = top grades
the FMA is a

>>10444241
that's to pay apple's listing fees.

>>10446060
I use the Image Occlusion addon and just mask different parts of the proof that I want to recall. Basically look at the proof and delineate the logical series of steps and mask each one. I find it takes on the average 3 weeks for something to sink in so I can recall it in my sleep. When you get that fluent with enough orthogonal proofs and other maths esotera, you will be able to just sit back and ruminate on it all in perfect fidelity. This is when new insights greater than the sum of your knowledge present themselves.

>>10439507
>imagine having to memorize and cram everything instead of just reading the book and understanding it intuitively

>now imagine thinking that you actually have some deep understanding of the subject matter when in reality all you've done is memorize something instead of internalizing its concepts

Anyone who unironically thinks using anki will help you "git gud" at math is retarded and has never taken a proof based maths class.

>>10447048
>Anyone who unironically thinks using anki will help you "git gud" at math is retarded and has never taken a proof based maths class.
Oh foolish anon. Your naivete gladdens my heart. It's people like you who lack imagination why I will always be on top. Lemme just pry your third eye open a little though.
There's more to learning than merely being able to solve a problem or find the proof. Just one example would be actually recognizing a problem for what it is. Your textbook is broken down into sections and then chapters. The exercises are variations of one problem after another. Concepts are grouped. This is an anti-pattern. Much research has gone into the idea of a desirable level of difficulty in learning and when you mass practice and learn, the second time you see a concept in a row, you are robbing yourself of the benefit of this desirable difficulty. The idea is simple. You want to not just practice the concept but to practice the insight necessary to see when applying a particular concept is indicated.
This is one of the powers of spaced repetition as it applies to maths and proofs. You see a concept only as often as is necessary and you have no warning before it show up. The first thing you do is not just "solve the problem" or "find the proof", the first thing you do is recognize the problem for what it is and this ability will make you much faster and more powerful than people who don't practice this admittedly subtle distinction. SRS algorithms are great at this cuz they don't just randomly hit you with something, they don't give you variations of the same concept back to back, they instead get you when you are just about to forget. The act of pulling the information from deep in your "almost forgot" mind is the physiological function that cements the concept most thoroughly. Digging the idea out of your mind, having that Eureka moment is what SRS gives you and if you just scoff at this you are being smugly arrogantly ignorant.

>>10447082
>There's more to learning than merely being able to solve a problem or find the proof.

Solving is very trivial and outside of your calculus classes you never will have to do this but you will have need to rely on your intuitive understanding of the more important concepts of that class as you go further into your proofs based classes. The way proofs are constructed and the way they can be asked makes it so its virtually impossible to memorize this stuff but instead you would have to have a strong math base in order to be able to approach them. You are less "finding" a proof and more so using theorems and axioms to prove something conceptually/disprove it.

>Concepts are grouped
Yeah, that's why you go back mix up the problems from your hw and attempt to do them without looking at your notes. I'm sorry you're too much of an autistic brainlet to ever come to the conclusion of just opening a text book, picking some random problems from each chapter and attempting them to check for understanding.

Protip: you can further facilitate your understanding for that calculus class you're cramming for by opening up a proof based text book like spivak and practicing some of the problems offered there

>>10447105

LMAO you are insane. textbooks like Rudin and SPivak are catered for mathematicians. If you are taking a calculus class which relies on calculating shit, you are going to massively waste your time and effort trying to proof shit.

>>10441977
You were too dumb to use it correctly lol

>>10447112
>He was never asked to do a delta epislon proof in his calclulus courses but claims to "understand" calclulus

ask me how I know you're an amerinigger

>>10447119

thats not calculus. thats analysis. calculus is just calculating shit.
also most proofs in rudin and spivak are completely inaccessible to undergraduates.
they are not good books for amateurs
maybe if OP is a mathematical olympiadist , then yes. then he wouldnt be asking here lol

>>10447121
>delta epislon is not calculus
So how is not understanding limits not important again to calculus exactly?

American ""calculus"" only gives you a surface level understanding of the math without a rigorous reasoning behind the motivation or why it works.

>>10447105
>Solving is very trivial and outside of your calculus classes you never will have to do this but you will have need to rely on your intuitive understanding of the more important concepts of that class as you go further into your proofs based classes. The way proofs are constructed and the way they can be asked makes it so its virtually impossible to memorize this stuff but instead you would have to have a strong math base in order to be able to approach them. You are less "finding" a proof and more so using theorems and axioms to prove something conceptually/disprove it.
Here's (you)'re validation for restating what you replied to. Good boy.
>Yeah, that's why you go back mix up the problems from your hw and attempt to do them without looking at your notes. I'm sorry you're too much of an autistic brainlet to ever come to the conclusion of just opening a text book, picking some random problems from each chapter and attempting them to check for understanding.
The difference is an SRS algorithm is much more efficient as it presents these problems to you at the exact moment you are most likely to benefit from solving them.
>>10447119
>ask me how I know you're an amerinigger
Ask me how I know you lost and are trying to save face. It's okay though, we're all anonymous and in the next thread you can flip to championing SRS and Anki. I won't mind.

>>10447126

im not american you retard. but calculus in america is what you do in high schools (which allows you to go to uni) in Europe

imagine having a problem with optimized flashcards. that's so goofy.

>>10444300
Thank you anon. As a thank you I will let you in on my own superpower knowledge. This is it: The Globalist and Jews are an evil incomprehensible to normies. The West was successful because of intelligence and character and we achieved the highest level of humanity. I say this without any hate. The West and its indigenous people must be preserved and strengthened at the cost of all else. Also women, especially European/white women have too much empathy to be allowed to vote. They will vote for their own destruction if given a choice. They need to be saved from themselves. This is the only way. I love you.

>>10444343
Ur an idiot, stop posting

>>10447136

>>10447127
How exactly is the algorithm more efficient? Also again memorizing a single process for a single way to prove a contrived problem is hardly efficient. When you can just open the book up look at the theorem understand it conceptually and then move on.
>>10447129
Calculus in Europe is taught more conceptually and intuitively. We started for my ""calculus"" class with the mean value theorem for example instead of reviewing algebra cuz half of the class has 2 digit IQ.

Care to explain how this is more efficient than using the pomodoro technique and Feynman's technique?

>>10447154
Best for memorizing stuff.

>>10447160
So its not good for understanding concepts.

>>10447140
>is the algorithm more efficient?
Research has found that the act of recall itself actually effects the durability of a memory. I don't have a paper at hand but there are literal physiological changes that take place when a memory is accessed. The upshot is that when you recall something at just about the point of forgetting, the memory is reencoded much more strongly than if you recall it when it's fresh. It's as if the brain has evolved a function that says "oh shit, I REALLY gotta remember this". SRS is designed to mimic this not as something that happens randomly but in a way you have complete control of it. You are using it to exploit a natural phenomenon to remember and cement whatever you want. This is superior to doing it by hand for the simple fact you don't really know what you are about to forget because if you did then you wouldn't be "about to forget it"! That's why just doing random problems, while it works, is nowhere near as efficient as SRS. The upshot to this is you massively reduce your workload since you only review what is necessary. You learn better and you can learn *more*. Much more.
>Also again memorizing a single process for a single way to prove a contrived problem is hardly efficient. When you can just open the book up look at the theorem understand it conceptually and then move on.
My anecdotes of how I use Anki to walk all over my classmates aren't interesting as they are just that, anecdotes. Review some literature instead.
http://uweb.cas.usf.edu/~drohrer/pdfs/Rohrer&Taylor2006ACP.pdf
Skim that, skim some of the references at the bottom. SRS, the spacing effect, and desirable difficulty are some of the only truly bedrock and reproducible parts of psychology. Don't fuck yourself out of it.
>>10447154
>Care to explain how this is more efficient than using the pomodoro technique and Feynman's technique?
Read my response above. Also note that SRS works in tandem and amplifies the benefits of Pomodoro and the Feynman technique.

>>10447154
>>10447161
why are you assuming these are all mutually exclusive, are you retarded? You use all of it together, genius.

>>10447161
>So its not good for understanding concepts.
Trivially refuted. How do you understand something if you don't know the relevant facts. Furthermore, SRS has been shown to actually enhance intuitive understanding. And respected scientists have confirmed they use Anki to accumulate knowledge in a field. See: http://augmentingcognition.com/ltm.html

>>10447170
>How do you understand something if you don't know the relevant facts

The problem I have with this statement is it claims that its more efficient to do some sort of memory recall to truly understand something vs using the knowledge you had from your prerequisite classes and from your own intuitive understanding of the concept to come to understanding a theorem in say your point-set topology class. Memorization is not the same as actually understanding something on a conceptual level and will never really be anything but a poor copy of it.

>>10447165
Your link does not explain how SRS is more efficient than the Feynman's technique or pomodoro nor does your explanation is just a restating of SRS, not an argument for why its better than the techniques mentioned above. Doing random problems and mixing them is legit the samething as suggested above I originally asked you how this "algorithm" is more efficient exactly than when I just pick random problems from a couple chapters to test for understanding of the material.

>>10447194
srs and pomodoro and feynmann technique aren't even related, you are literally retarded

>>10439515
Yes! Everyone hide the ancient knowledge of flash cards from the public!
What the fuck do you even use these for

>>10447201
>aren't even related
>are all learning techniques

>>10439780
How? What do you even do?

>>10447203
you would use all of them

>>10447207
Which goes back to one of my original question how much more effective is using the Feynman's technique and pomodoro vs SRS and its ROI if used in tandem.

>>10445864
How are you doing it

>>10447194
>The problem I have is it claims that its more efficient to do some sort of memory recall to truly understand something vs using the knowledge you had from your prerequisite classes and from your own intuitive understanding of the concept to come to understanding a theorem in say your point-set topology class.
Your framing as an either/or proposition is entirely wrong as both techniques SRS and exercises leverage and amplify the other. Knowledge is categorized as a duality. Declarative and procedural. Anki is primarily declarative and problem solving in the field is very procedural. The pathways in the brain are different but closely related. The upshot is when you increase your declarative knowledge, it makes accumulating procedural knowledge easier as you are more confident of your presumptions. And the field work adds to your body of insight which is also very declarative. Leaning on one at the expense of the other is robbing yourself of more than half of the learning. Anki and SRS are the supreme tools for declarative knowledge which is why you use it. Another technique called deliberate practice is supreme for procedural stuff but that's another subject and another thread. Be careful that you don't try to compartmentalize these two completely as the venn diagram is very circular.
>>10447194
>Your link does not explain how SRS is more efficient than Feynman's or pomodoro
These two are tools like SRS is. Use them appropriately but don't think any of them are the panacea. I like Pomodoro so much I bought a little timer and ended up learning Tkinter to make my own little desktop app for it. It's a great focus tool for going through my Anki decks. I'd screenshot it but it's on my laptop.
>random problems mixing them is legit the samething originally asked you how this "algorithm" is more efficient
Forgetting happens on a predictable exponential curve so you want to "remind" yourself just before you forget. SRS does this better than random problem hunting.

>>10447105
>I'm sorry you're too much of an autistic brainlet to ever come to the conclusion of just opening a text book, picking some random problems from each chapter and attempting them to check for understanding.
>>10447140
>When you can just open the book up look at the theorem understand it conceptually and then move on
>>10447194
>Doing random problems and mixing them is legit the samething as suggested above I originally asked you how this "algorithm" is more efficient exactly than when I just pick random problems from a couple chapters to test for understanding of the material
Both of you dumb niggers realize when you just open the book and pick random problems that your brain is aware of the context of where the problems came from and you aren't really training the ability to recognize the class of problem for what it is. Anki gives you exercises without context to train this very important ability. I love people like you both in my classes as you make me look like a GOD in comparison.

>>10447194
>how SRS is more efficient
Anki takes 10 minutes a day.

>>10447239
>SRS does this better than random problem hunting.

I would ask you how exactly. Just because its an algorithm does not mean its efficient. Especially not as much when the knowledge in higher level classes is more succinct and relies on conceptually understanding theorems from your previous classes to understand newer insights via the use of axioms.

>These two are tools like SRS is. Use them appropriately but don't think any of them are the panacea.

I am sorry if that is the impression I gave off but that is not my argument. I personally learn more as I have to use the pomodoro technique and work as a math tutor and TA and have been averaging high As after my employment vs. having Bs before as a pure math and cs double major.

>Your framing as an either/or proposition is entirely wrong as both techniques SRS and exercises leverage and amplify the other.

>random problems mixing them is legit the samething originally asked you how this "algorithm" is more efficient

I do not believe you when you claim that memorizing random shit for an undergrad math class is the same as understanding something on a conceptual level. For example if someone was to ask me how to do an integration by partial fraction or how to do a derivative I would not have any problem doing that despite me not touching "calculus" for like 3 years now simply because I took the time to read spivak and understand "calculus" on a much more intimate level rather than having to rely on memorizing these things multiple times over a time span of 3 years.

>>10447260
Its almost as if there are more than one book you can use.

>>10447279
>10 minutes a day over a span of multiple days vs learning a concept which can take just as much time or at most an hour depending on the complexity of the concept in question for a single day.

>>10447291
>>SRS does this better than random problem hunting.
>I would ask you how exactly. Just because its an algorithm does not mean its efficient.
In 1885, Hermann Ebbinghaus discovered the "forgetting curve", the exponential decrease in likelihood a piece of information once learned can be recalled. He also realized if you pick a desired likelihood of recall, say 90%, you merely remind yourself of the information according to this exponential decay schedule. He further learned that the period necessary to maintain the 90% recall increases by a predictable amount each time. So if you remind yourself in 1 day, the next time will be 2 days. Then 4 days and so on. That insight is the "algorithm" SRS apps like Anki use.
Further research has shown that if you are reminded of something at a random interval less than at that 90% "almost forgetting" mark, i.e., when the information is still relatively fresh, the effect on recall ability is actually diminished so you have to do it much more often to maintain that 90% recall rate. This is what happens when you pick random questions out of the book. Don't take my word for it though, look at the research. That is what I base my claims of SRS efficiency on.
>I do not believe you when you claim that memorizing random shit for an undergrad math class is the same as understanding something on a conceptual level.
The first rule of making effective Anki notes is never memorize what you haven't learned. You learn it first then you make the cards. I've found the act of making the card, forcing myself to distill the information down appropriately confers additional insight. When I see the card months later, I often have an ah hah moment where I see something from a new angle I hadn't considered before. SRS reps promotes this kind of serendipity in ways nothing else does. You don't have to take my word for it on an anonymous basket weaving forum. Read the literature or just try it yourself for a couple of months.

>>10447291
>>10 minutes a day over a span of multiple days vs learning a concept which can take just as much time or at most an hour depending on the complexity of the concept in question for a single day.
>vs learning...

This imbecile still thinks that there is some kind of dichotomy between using Anki and learning the material first. You are either a troll or some faggot with reaally bad reading comprehension since the "you are supposed to make cards about stuff that you have already learned" remark has been made countless times in this thread.

>>10447325
Your claim is that the algorithms implemented in anki are proven to be more efficient than random variability of me picking some questions from my book to study. Where does anki even show they implement this in their system?

>The first rule of making effective Anki notes is never memorize what you haven't learned.

Why would I need anki for that when I can understand a theorem fundamentally from my strong base of knowledge? The main difference between a lower level undergrad class and a higher level class like topology is that you are learning less stuff but you are learning them with rigor and depth vs your typical calc class where the quantity of what you are learning is more but the depth is at which you learn it is extremely shallow. Maybe it will help with a concrete example: Let's say you wanted to learn how to do isomorphic transformations for your graph theory class. You would very rarely need to reference or understand that you should check whether something is NOT isomorphic vs if it is isomorphic because isomorphism is NP and not P. You would at that point in your class have already covered the basics of graph theory (vertice degree, edges, euler paths, hamiliton paths hamilton circuits and euler circuits ect..) and use those basics to try to disprove if two graphs are isomorphic from there if everything is the same for both graphs you would check if the graphs have the same eigenvalues if they do then you can prove that both graphs are isomorphic to each other. This would be a lot more efficient than having to go and memorize trivial things like euler paths or something and then after memorizing that stuff you would go about memorizing what an eigenvalue is and how to get one by diagonalizing a matrix and only then after memorizing something in a short span of time would you go about actually attempting to prove if two graphs are isomorphic

>>10447384
imagine having a problem with flashcards

>>10447372
No, I just never had to go and grind for like hours straight to "understand" math and instead used my base of intuition and general knowledge I gained from my previous classes to get by in my classes. I am just surprised niggers like you unironically think you learned anything except how to spit out answers in a given short amount of time. Cope harder.

>>10447384
>Let's say you wanted to learn how to do isomorphic transformations for your graph theory class.
A trivially insulting example for a trivially auto-insulting question. Here's a card I made long long ago that I can recall with perfect fidelity along with the hundreds of other graph theory cards I have perfect recall of. The daily cost of maintaining this perfect recall is seconds.
Everytime I see a card I haven't seen for a while (years these days), I gain some new insight and I Anki that. These insights build on each other until I thoroughly outgrow the source material on my own inductions. I guarantee you I have a more intuitive grasp of Graph Theory than you do, I guarantee you I can recognize and solve problems faster than you can, I guarantee you I if you were my TA I would have you in tears at your own inadequacy.
You bore me. Implying graph theory is some sort of "higher maths" is a joke. My suggestion is stop being so stuck up your own ass and try something new. I'm done with this conversation.

>>10447392
>anime avatar faggot
>ad hominem

Ah, so you are also that retard who thinks using Anki means "cram everything" and not understanding things intuitively (another false dichotomy). You sure like to shitpost about stuff you have zero clue about.

Go ahead with your next counter argument bait, pick another ugly anime avatar and explain, I need to expand my folder.

>>10447420
Your "card" misses the most important part that being finding the eigenvalues of the matrices of both graphs and then you would use a definition that states two graphs are isomorphic iff the two graphs have the same eigenvalue when you diagonalize the matrices. I would laugh at you if you just said "uh they have the same vertices, edges degrees, euler paths, circuits and the same hamilton paths and circuits" and no professor worth their salt would give you full marks for just checking if the graphs are the same without showing it with rigor. I even stated why you would have to MANUALLY check if two graphs isomorphic. Thanks for proving to all of us you have nigger tier IQ and nigger tier reading skills.

>>10447421
It must feel really crumby knowing you have to memorize and cram everything instead of just understanding something intuitevly in the first hour. How are those gibs treating ya tyrone?

>>10447436

>>10447113
I've used in all kinds of ways.
Questions, cloze, image occlusion, concept recall. And none worked better than just going over the textbook and applying Feynman method and doing the exercises.

>>10447486
>I've used in all kinds of ways.
>Questions, cloze, image occlusion, concept recall. And none worked better than just going over the textbook and applying Feynman
Stop lying

>>10447486
This. /endthread

>>10447618
samefag

>>10442981
Not to spook you but Durham right? I'm considering SRS to help with organic but from how you described making a deck it seems like you're learning it all in the process of making the decks themselves

>>10447632
>it seems like you're learning it all in the process of making the decks themselves
That's part of the beauty. The process of making the cards forces your understanding. It's almost like the effect of explaining to another person. If you have holes in your understanding, you'll clearly see them and know what you need to study further. Many people make the cards and find they don't even need to review but if you do, they're there for you.

>>10447154
Pomodoro technique is for increasing motivation.
Feynman technique forces you to make sure you actually understand what you've learned.
Spaced repetition prevents you from forgetting by asking you to recall just before you would forget.

>>10447194
>from your prerequisite classes
most students just forget the material after the final exam

>>10447632
yeah, durham. making the cards just gives you a general gist of what the course contains, i wouldnt say its learning anymore than going to the lecture. i usually have the recorded lecture on x2 while i make my cards. what year are you in anon? nat sci or straight chem?

>>10447486
You have a seriously flawed understanding of spaced repetition if you believe the Feynman method to be its alternative. The goal of the Feynman method is gaining deep understanding of a subject, the goal of spaced repetition is long-term retention of information. Obviously, the two are not exclusive and, in fact, provide the most benefits in combination. When you use spaced repetition after using the Feynman method, you come up with answers for questions by using your deep understanding of the topic, which ensures your mental models don't degrade over time due to lack of use.

>>10444338
I definitely would like to see your decks.

>>10447891
not students who use Anki
>>10447940
>>10444338
yeah pls share.

>>10447194
>using the knowledge you had from your prerequisite classes
Lmao. That's why spaced repetition is useful in the first place. It gives you long-term retention so you will remember the content of prerequisite classes.
>Memorization is not the same as actually understanding something on a conceptual level
Recall is an active process that uses your understanding of the subject to come up with the answer to a flashcard. You recall a theorem the same way when using flashcards as you would when using it to solve an exercise. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do exercises, of course.
>pomodoro
Literally has nothing to do with both spaced repetition and the Feynman technique.

>>10447291
>>SRS does this better than random problem hunting.
>I would ask you how exactly. Just because its an algorithm does not mean its efficient.
>>10447384
>Your claim is that the algorithms implemented in anki are proven to be more efficient than random variability of me picking some questions from my book to study
Anki is more efficient than picking problems randomly because it relies on feedback from you so you will see the problems you find hard more often and you won't waste time solving trivial shit for the millionth time. It also removes the overhead of scheduling because the computer does that automatically for you.
And Anki is not just for "memorization", you could very easily pick a few hard problems per chapter and put them in anki and solve them during your review sessions since the time between repetitions quickly goes to months or longer if you really have no trouble solving them.

>Why would I need anki for that when I can understand a theorem fundamentally from my strong base of knowledge?
You think of understanding as this permanent thing when the fact that you understand something at one point in time doesn't mean you have the same level of understanding two years later. Who knows, maybe you will, but for most people, it's not guaranteed, so they benefit from spaced repetition.

>>10447899
For programmed spaced repetition to be efficient, you need a very good prediction of to what degree any given piece of information is going to be useful in the future, something that's very hard to predict.
And you can practice spaced repetition from the source material without having to input the information into a program, just by studying the material as often as you feel you need it.
I mean Feynman method out of the book (or your own notes) more or less regularly repeated > having to spend time introducing the information into a program which will mechanistically show you the repetitions according to an algorithm with no insight into how well you actually remember any given concept. Plus reading straight out of the book gives you more understanding and context than just disembodied flash cards.

I've got a fucked up unit this semester with a 6 week gap between the final lecture and the exam.
Hopefully anki can help with that.

>>10448119
>having to spend time introducing the information into a program which will mechanistically show you the repetitions according to an algorithm with no insight into how well you actually remember any given concept
t.has never used Anki and knows fuck all about how it works
Yet you feel qualified to pontificate. Ignorance is one thing but to literally "not even be wrong" and then be smugly arrogant about it is another level. Anybody who has used Anki for 5 minutes or even had a cursory glance at the interface knows your assertion is flat wrong so why are you running your cocksucker about something you've never used.

>>10448136
It definitely will, but make sure to review more than just the 3 or so minutes a day of Anki.

>>10448154
>with no insight into how well you actually remember any given concept
If you're too retarded to self-assess your level of knowledge then Anki is not for you but neither is anything else. Consider suicide.
>Ignorance is one thing but to literally "not even be wrong" and then be smugly arrogant about it is another level.
I could say the same about your post.

>>10448182
that's a LONG delay, wtf.

>>10448197
Never used anki for more than a month?

>>10448197
I've already reviewed that card multiple times in the last few months and the delay grows substantially every time (assuming I rate it easy). If Anki wasn't so aggressive with the delays, you would have to review more and more cards each session as you add more, which would become unmanageable.

>>10448210
>>10448203
okay, thanks for the explanation, I haven't used Anki for that long. Probably explains why that dude could keep up on 23k cards on just 10 minutes a day.

>>10448154
Cope. This is how my decks looked when I stopped using Anki. Have in mind I deleted some of them, and some of them I moved to Supermemo .
You are in what's called the "honeymoon period". Give it some time and you'll see why spaced repetition isn't all that great.
>>10448216
>Probably explains why that dude could keep up on 23k cards on just 10 minutes a day.
That only works if your cards are piss easy, otherwise if you add in even one card per day your review time just increases perpetually no matter what you do.

the anime avatar seeking attention and being very dumb is so predictable

>>10448220
Are you memorising your times tables?

>>10448231
I was, but yeah that was the idea. It was mostly an experiment to test how well SRS works, I guess. Being able to do mental calculations faster would be a plus too.
Also back then when I was somewhat of a weeb and trying to study japanese I made an extension in Python for Anki that would download a random image from Google Images for every word in my deck.
I also messed with sub2srs, text to speech cards, interactive cards with Javascript on them, modifying the ordering of cards using rules written in Python, gamification and different rewards systems, incremental reading plugins, you name it.
And that was before getting into Supermemo and it's supposedly superior algorithm.

>>10448252
>back when I was somewhat of a weeb
who do these "people" think they're fooling

>>10448220
Did you leave the number of flashcards to review per day per deck on default?

>>10448252
>does extremely retarded thing
>blames the computer

>>10448252
Is supermemo as buggy when you get to the advanced stuff as people say? Have you tried incremental reading?

>>10444208
>As you normally go through the typically poorly written tome, you notice how often something will be covered earlier in the book yet not properly explained until later
I hate this so fucking much. They keep making promises and delaying explanations (we shall see x in Chapter Y), making gaps in your knowledge on purpose for the sake of approaching the topics from a top-bottom perspective. This is the brainlet's way of exposition and I like your approach to consuming these kind of textbooks.

>>10448891
>making gaps in your knowledge on purpose for the sake of approaching the topics from a top-bottom perspective.

could you give a general example of your experience with this? I'm curious whether I have the same problem but don't quite understand what you mean

>>10447894
2nd year natsci. So far I've studied by trying a question, realising I haven't a damn clue and going through the whole relevant lecture course notes again and it's quite disheartening since I sink so much time just trying to keep up with tutorial work. Might try making a couple decks over easter and see if it helps

>>10449269
ah, im 3rd year. never done a single piece of work, memed through 1st year and anki'd the rest. still no idea how im still here, let alone them asking what i want to do for my masters or why they let me fuck about with a supercomputer. if i can do it, you can, it just feels hopeless.

>>10445844
You don't need to be able to write kanji for the JLPT. I passed the N1 and I can't even write the easiest ones from Elementary School. Besides, being able to write them is only slightly advantageous when living in Japan, too. You can always take your smartphone out in the very few situations you actually have to write stuff by hand.

>>10448258
Dude, I haven't watched an anime in years. Although I probably could still get back into it and enjoy it, so maybe you're right.
>>10448262
>does extremely retarded thing
What thing?
>>10448262
>Did you leave the number of flashcards to review per day per deck on default?
No, I just did as many as I could. At least for stuff like college you gotta do that or you just won't learn the material soon enough for tests. And you gotta cram out of schedule too.
That's why SRS might be a good option for things you have to remember for life and you don't actually use often (like what Gwern uses it for, random quotes and little trivia facts and such), but how many of these there are? Not too many unless you care about sounding smart and competing for game shows.
>Is supermemo as buggy when you get to the advanced stuff as people say?
It's not so much buggy as it is annoying as fuck to use because it's written in a language from the 90s and about as intuitive as other software from the same period.
But yeah, the advanced functions (like extracting text directly from web pages and so on) are definitely over-hyped by Wozniak and they don't actually work that well.
The actual algorithm is probably better than Anki's for long term recall. But then you have the issue that it only runs on x86 Windows systems, so you can't review stuff on your cellphone which I know a lot of people like to do, and it makes sense because it allows you to use random downtime productively.
>Have you tried incremental reading.
Yeah, the way you're supposed to use it is with cloze deletions. And it makes sense considering how Wozniak says your cards should hold the minimum amount of information possible. But it didn't work that well for me, I think I prefer more conceptual cards where you're asked a question or to recall a concept and you're supposed to explain it in one or two paragraphs.

>>10450369
Forgot to quote >>10448280

>>10439795
Sharp recall is great and certainly does contribute to intelligence. You constantly have to recall things to make connections, and a lot of important connections are "obvious" - i.e: very easy to make when you have the required information in front of you, so good recall means that all that information that makes up your knowledge is more readily available to your cognition. Your knowledge acts as an addendum to given information, something that allows you to further understand by making connections with what's given and what you know from past learning.

However, making a lot of higher level connections (the stuff that leads to truly intelligent and creative thoughts) certainly requires more than just simple recall. You need flexibility in thinking, the ability to go from the specifics to the general easily and see abstractions at various levels, to deliberately consider what you're taking for granted and challenge assumptions, etc. And of course, there's things like attention span, focus shifting, working memory etc that determine the "smoothness" of your brain's working which should be in good working order as well. Intelligence is an emergent property of all these cognitive faculties of the brain working together harmoniously.

>>10450369
>>does extremely retarded thing
>What thing?
Trying to learn a times table with anki.

>>10439507
How would sex reassignment surgery help?

>>10451006
To be fair, you have to be really intelligent to cut your dick off

>>10442109
>>10439507
How do you use anki to study math?
For memorizing postulates and theorems? Where would I even begin doing this if I have no math proofs background?

>>10452313

by memorizing the definitions

>>10452313
This I want to have the greatest foundation possible.

>>10452321
>>10452322
For someone trying to become an actual maths fag (im a physics major), how do i get into this? do i start with euclid's elements and memorize his axioms first? where do i begin anons?

>>10452322
you will get bored very quickly , memorizing math definitions is not fun or entertaining

>>10452323
euclidean geometry is largely irrelevant, you'd start by memorizing axioms rules definitions of set theory , then constructing number fields etc. and working your way through basic calculus definitions

>>10451002
And why is that a retarded thing? It's just the kind of knowledge spaced repetition is supposed to be useful for.

>>10452329
> memorizing axioms rules definitions of set theory
book for this anon?

>>10452334

any of the 10000s of math books written by irrelevant math profs

>>10452333

anki wont replace your ability to memorize things, it works sort of as a replacement for a loci , since you don't have a loci assigned to your memory, you lose the ability to recall it in order but here is where anki kicks in because it reminds you to remember something so to speak; if you always use the same image in your head as an answer to an anki card, you will most likely never forget it

time tables are horrible to memorize since you'd need a specific system for the numbers to make a sensible memorization in the first place

>>10452333
Memorizing 400 "normal" flashcards is much easier than memorizing a 20x20 times table because it's much easier to create chunks out of "normal" information, not to mention that you probably added all 400 flashcards at once like a mongoloid.

>>10452557
Is memorizing 20x20 times table supposed to be difficult? lmao

>>10452347
>anki wont replace your ability to memorize things
What are you talking about? It's not supposed to replace it, only to assist with reinforcement.
>since you don't have a loci assigned to your memory, you lose the ability to recall it in order but here is where Anki kicks in because it reminds you to remember something so to speak; if you always use the same image in your head as an answer to an Anki card, you will most likely never forget it
You don't need a "loci" or an image. You can learn just the numbers by themselves.
Sure you can get into all the fuckery of memory palaces and encoding numbers as images, but that would result in a slower recall than just training yourself to come up with the answer upon merely hearing the factors.
>time tables are horrible to memorize since you'd need a specific system for the numbers to make a sensible memorization in the first place
Sure, they might not be the easiest thing in the world to learn, but that has nothing to do with whether spaced repetition would help you learn it.
>>10452557
>not to mention that you probably added all 400 flashcards at once like a mongoloid.
Yeah, you learned about spaced repetition, woohoo. You're special now. You're so much better than everybody else now. How about you go on the Internet and tell everybody how retarded they are for not being as cool as you are and knowing as much about Anki as you do?
Dude, you're just insulting me for the sake of insulting me and feeling better about yourself for knowing how to work the program. Except you don't know shit. If you knew so much better than me about Anki you would know the reason I have only 86 cards to review and 294 new cards is because I configured Anki to show me reviews first and new cards second, so I can control exactly how many new cards I want to insert into the learning process in any given day.

>>10452597

> you dont need an image

memorizing without images (in your mind) is going to lead to failure every single time, especially the more abstract the material gets
every single memory athlete uses images and some form of technique combined with them

>>10452605
>memorizing without images (in your mind) is going to lead to failure every single time
No it doesn't.
Language learners across the world regularly memorize words and syntax without using images (inb4 the Magnetic Memory scam)
>every single memory athlete uses images and some form of technique combined with them
Memory competitions are different enough from real world scenarios as to make their techniques utterly useless in the real world.
These people train multiple hours per day with encoding and decoding the numbers into images and vice versa, have to spend hours memorizing the encoding scheme itself, have to memorize thousands of completely meaningless numbers for short term recall minutes after and then it doesn't matter if they forget them, don't have to identify and recall one particular small substring of the whole sequence in a short amount of time, and so on. As you can see even if learning multiplication tables and what they do is superficially similar, one has almost nothing to do with the other.

So, aniki is good if I want to learn the joints right?

>>10452651
probably

>>10452682
What decks?

>>10452684
dunno make your own
the image occlusion plugin is probably what you want

>>10452637

> t. brainlet who doesnt understand how memory techniques work

>>10452733
>I have no arguments and I must post: the post

I just noticed that there are two supermemo websites
supermemo.com
super-memo.com

Which is the one that competes with Anki?

>>10453509
Both. It's kind of a clusterfuck. The first one is currently owned by people who leased the trademark and algorithm from Wozniak but implemented their own app (much more dumbed down than the actual Supermemo17) and mainly use it as a platform to actually sell shitty pre-made decks. But the domain still holds a lot of articles written by Wozniak.
The second one is where Wozniak actually sells Supermemo17, which is the original and most advanced version of the software.
Then you have http://supermemopedia.com/wiki/Main_Page which is where most of the up to date information is.

yeah using anki for chemical engineering

>>10454339
but how do you do it for math? someone share their deck

>>10454716
Use latex and surround the code with latex tags on anki

>>10454716
Use it for definitions, propositions and proofs.
Cards for definitions and proofs are quite straightforward (although it may be a good idea to summarize the main ideas of proofs), while propositions cards can be a bit harder to create because there is no direct and universal good way of prompting the recall. If the proposition is well-known by a name (say, Cauchy–Schwarz inequality) then it is easy. Otherwise, you have to be careful to give enough information in the prompt to remember the card but not to much as to not make it useless.

>>10455097
Can you give an example of some kind for the sort of thing you're talking about. I'm dumb.

>>10455128
For definitions:
Front:
Def: affine map.

Back:
An affine subspace is a map $f$: E $\rightarrow$ $F$ where
$$\forall A,B in E, f(B)-f(A) = \phi (B - A)$$
for some linear map $\phi$.


For propositions:
Front:
Prop: diagram for affine maps.

Back:
If $f$ is a affine map from $E$ to $F$ and $\epsilon'$ is a affine subspace of $E$ with direction $E'$, then $f(\epsilon')$ is an affine subspace of $F$ with direction $\vec{f} (E')$.


For proofs:
Front:
If $f$ is a affine map from $E$ to $F$ and $\epsilon'$ is a affine subspace of $E$ with direction $E'$, then $f(\epsilon')$ is an affine subspace of $F$ with direction $\vec{f} (E')$.

Back:
(proof of the proposition)

>>10447121
Maybe to shitty undergrads.

>finished baby rudin ch 1-7 first semester of uni
>hadn't touched a math book 2 years prior to entering uni

>>10455159
Thank you. That really helps.

>>10455178
If I'm trying to learn actual maths, only ever done the see equation calculate, can i start with baby rudin?

>>10455128
You can also use cloze deletions for unnamed propositions.

>>10439515
So true. This is how I got a 100th percentile on the MCAT. Stupid iphone users have no clue.

I was just going through some of my old cards today on the train. Here's one:

>>10455511
are you in med school yet? if sohow does this process work with the firehose pace of information

>>10455578
yeah, i'm in med school. i write my notes straight into anki cards. i review them on my phone. it's literally a hack.

>>10455511
Should I buy the app for my iPhone?

>>10455484
While this certainly can be used, I personally feel it is still giving too much information (in general), so I prefer a Q => A format.

>>10455597

how many cards oyu got so far?

>>10455597
You mean you write regular notes and turn them into anki decks or are the decks your notes with no inbetween?

>>10455601
jailbreak it and then install it.

or buy it.

you can alwasy just download it on your computer and use that.

>>10455627
i've been using anki for 4 years man...

and i use shared decks.

easily thousands.

>>10455484
cloze deletions are the shit. you can write notes basically for one card and turn it into 5-6.

also props on getting latex to work so well.

>>10455653
used to write my own notes in my notebooks. still do for really new conceptual stuff. i have a three monitor setup so i have 1-3 textbooks open for the material, and google image search/wiki open all at once.

i then write notes from all sources to ensure i have the most accurate info.

>>10455703
I have it on my computer, but having it on my iPhone would really help out with studying - might jailbreak it i guess, don't really want to do that though

>>10455784
>life on easy mode
>reduce study time, increase scores
>dab on the gunners
>don't feel like jailbreaking my phone tho

>>10455793
>life on easy mode
>reduce study time, increase scores
this appraisal, oy vey.

>>10455793
might just buy it instead desu - you're right how great it is though

>>10455802
>paying for flashcards

>>10455808
Anki is the only piece of software I actually want to pay for just so I can support the developer. Unfortunately, he does not accept donations and the only way to give him money is to pay for the iPhone app, which I won't do because I don't wanna use dirty apple products.

Hi, I'm a military officer of a rank you wouldn't expect to be posting on 4channel, and I intend to weaponize this.

Thanks, chumps.

>>10456205
You can donate to the Mnemosyne guy, or buy SM17 from Wozniak that's the guy who produced the algorithm anyways.

>>10456374
>he doesn't realize its a meme

>>10456398
then it'll fit right in with the military

>>10456398
Ehh it does help of you're a lazy piece of shit like myself.

>>10456426
just how lazy can you be with this. I usually have to actively engage my mind to follow along a textbook, which requires a certain minimum level of energy and concentration. Is it possible to autopilot anki pieces if I'm tired and not really paying attention, provided I go through them enough times, based on your experience?

>>10455484
on my machine, latex's font size renders much larger than the surrounding text. how did you get yours to render more normally?

>>10456446
Put the entire text inside a [latex] block like I did instead of using latex equation blocks inside normal text. There's an addon for anki that assigns shortcuts for everything so you don't have to type [latex][/latex] or a click a button every time.

>>10456454
Can you please link us to the addon instead of mysteriously "allowing" us to forever wonder if our google searches were what you were trying to communicate to us or not?

People like you are the ones that author the texts books that drive us to using shit like anki.

>>10456491
No need to freak out, anon, I didn't link it because I originally found it through a generic google search myself. I'm using this one: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/24411424 You can check/change the default shortcuts by clicking "config" in the addons menu.

>>10456498
Anki 2.1 has these hotkeys in it by default

>>10456618
Lmao. I didn't know it had these hotkeys because they weren't listed in the menu.

>>10455708
What about attending lectures? What do you do during those?

>>10456642
If you hit the hamburger button it lists them

>>10456695
It doesn't list the hotkeys for me.

>>10456707
Dunno. Using 2.1.9 for mac

>>10456743
I have 2.1.8 installed on Linux.

>>10456454
is there a plugin / some hotkey where if i'm inside a [latex] block will wrap e.g. $text$, rather than as [$][/$] ?
Otherwise you need manually type the $'s, which is sort of annoying

>>10458062
bump

Thank you anons for this thread

>>10460509
Indeed
I am now using anki to memorize math definitions, theorems, proofs; IDE shortcuts; faces; etc

>>10460829
Sounds like bullshit

>>10456374
>this late in the game

>>10460935

because it is

>>10456393


> not sending a bouquet of the finest flowers to the direct descendants of Ebbinghaus

>>10460829
faces?

>>10462361

> autism

>>10462396
Pretty much

>add a few nested decks of the format subject -> (theory, exercises) to Anki
>get a warning about having too many decks with a link to the relevant section on the Anki website
>"Anki was not designed to handle many decks (more than several dozen), and it will slow down as you add more"

>>10463127
I'm not sure to what extent this is a real issue, I have a bunch of decks and haven't noticed any delay.

>>10461048
kek

>>10439795
I feel you. I used a lot of memorizing technique for math and basically every course. Now, I see every studying topic as a memorisation challenge. And what is not a studying topic, I just don't bother memorizing. Very weird.

>>10455484
this is the weirdest way to write cauchy schwarz inequality

>>10455793
You know you can use the browser on your phone and login to your anki to access your decks.

>>10465272
I think it's still cauchy enough that he'll remember it though

>>10465272
I just copied it from wikipedia for the sake of the example.

>>10466676
base

>>10439886
>https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8ZugMc4E5959Xh86i/how-i-use-anki-to-learn-mathematics
>I'm a French researcher in fundamental computer science, which essentially means that I do mathematics all day long. But my biggest problem is that I'm really bad at learning mathematics.

>>10447133
This is an extremely weird post to read considering i came to a conclusion that this post is implying about a few weeks ago

>>10452605
i can memorize without images (i have extremely poor visual memory) effortlessly and it doesn't "fail every time"