/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10438105
A lifetime of living like a disgusting pig can't be undone in 1,2,3, or even 5 years. Face the truth and accept your mistakes

>>>/r9k/

>>10438111
You really think the guy on the right in that picture would've looked decent if he changed his lifestyle?

>>10438123
Not even the same guy, but yes. I genuinely think so.

>>10438123
If he changed his lifestyle 5 years ago maybe. If I spend years smoking cigarettes and complain my lungs hurt, you can't feel sorry for me. I chose this.

>>10438105
Yes. It is easy for an attractive guy to sweep you off your feet for a one night stand if you're looking for one. However such guys who focus on that generally are poor guys to hang out with and are terrible at dating.

While good looks will help you "get your foot in the door" in dating, people who genuinely want to date are far more concerned about personality because it's far easier to deal with someone who meshes well with your personality than an asshole who doesn't see you as an equal.

This is my experience.

Unless you're disfigured, a midget, or suffer from some extreme deformity, looks makes only ~20% of female --> male attraction.
The reverse isn't true though.

Source: I don't care about providing one. Investigate for yourself and find out. But I'm spoiling you the end: I'm right.

>>10438105
Young women in their 20s care only for strength and muscle-building abilities (and rightly so).
Women in their 30s then start to care about money (thereby indirectly selecting high IQ males)

>>10438105

Imagine that anon: there are different types of women!

>Are incels correct that it takes 10 minutes of meeting a girl for her to suck your dick if you're a Chad,
Yes, there are women who would. There are also a lot that wouldn't.


>or the reality is that women also care for other things like money, personality, charisma, etc.
Yes, also correct.
Pic related. Pete Doherty - how the fuck would he be able to bang Kate Moss otherwise?

>>10438154
Coincidentally, it is also true for male-->male attraction

>>10438182
>conclusion: women consider a multitude of things when looking for a mate
Wow who would have thought

>>10438105
>What are the major factors in sexual atraction towards females.
I guess it depends on what she is looking for,
if she is looking to just get laid then:
6'+
7+ looks
and that is pretty much it.

if she is looking for a boyfriend, is a whole different ball game.
you still have to be taller than her.
average looking or above, but now status comes in to play, how does she determine that? by how other people treat you, specially other women, as well by whether or not you got something going for you, goals? ambitions? pursing a career? anything.. even if it's your shitty music career, just something that shows her, she can depend on you if shit ever hits the fan for her. But I think the most important bit, is whether or not she has a good time with you, i.e making her laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMLMWpSHdZE

>>10438105
> or the reality is that women also care for other things like money, personality, charisma
women only care about these things.
men are a lot worse than women we basically only care about looks and nothing else.
but the most important thing women care about is love.
women are complete tools if they believe you love them they will want to have sex with you no matter what.
except if you look like that guy on the right.
then just give up.

>>10438247
>women are complete tools if they believe you love them they will want to have sex with you no matter what

congratulations, that's the dumbest shit I read today!

>>10438105
>tfw no below average gf with common interests who loves me the way i am

>>10438105
It takes 2 minutes for a girl to decide if she wants to suck your dick. Then a variable amount of waiting time (dates, talking, etc).

>>10438105
The only factor in raw female to male lust is facial attractiveness. Everything else (muscles, wealth, charisma, etc.) is transactional.

>>10438123
He did.

>>10438430
stblackops2cel has betrayed us!

>>10438105
Basically it doesnt matter what you do when have an aesthetic face, and you can do all you want with a bad face it wont achieve anything. Hypergamy causes women to view the average male face as ":ugly" I shit you not leading to them accusing innocent average male faces of being creepy if they try to pick them up.

>>10438148
>However such guys who focus on that generally are poor guys to hang out with and are terrible at dating.
Cope
Being attractive gets you more chances with girls you want to date. More chances = more practice at relationships.

>>10438338
I feel like I passed the 2 minute test with some girls and still wound up in the friend zone.

>>10438500
Its a woman anon they say all sorts of nonsense to never admit they hate non Chads.

>>10438500
One night stands =/= dating practice

I didn't get better at dating until I stopped going for easy one night stands and started focusing on myself.

>>10438517
Irony as men who have constant one night stands are who women desire the most rather than some sucker who commits to one woman.

>incels
Do not reply to spam.
>hey can you guys tell me this widely researched thing that I am totally unwilling to look into myself for some reason?
Do not reply to spam.
>please reply
Do not reply to spam.
A good thread talks about something, it doesn't seek to data mine or survey the board, which by the way is against posted rules.

>>10438521
False on two accounts.
None of the men I had one night stands with were dating material to me.
The woman I'm currently dating is completely happy to settle with me.
Then again, I'm a guy.

>>10438126
then you're genuinely retarded

>>10438551
fag

>>10438551
Evolution has shown us manwhores in primates always attract the most mates, humans are not exempt from this.

>>10438105

>>10438559
>fag

Dude, how much a goddamn faggot do you have to be to hate gay people? How are they interfering with your life in any way, you flaming queer? Why should you care about what they choose, homo? Why would Jesus hate gay people for not confirming to the will of queers like you? Homophobia is the gayest thing in the whole world.

>>10438590
K fag

>>10438590
>mfw I realized its the "Why you gotta be homophobic" poster.

Faggot

>>10438559
I'm just trying to provide help. No need to throw insults.

>>10438602
>being called what you are is an insult
I thought you guys were supposed to be proud?

>>10438590
Not him but
If hating fags is what has to be done in order to prevent the current state of societal affairs, so be it. Same thing with giving women equal rights. Some deserve it. Hell, even many deserve it. But does giving them the right to vote always spiral into the sincere and utter farce that is present day?

>>10438608
The Greeks sure thought so. And frankly Aristophones could not have hit the nail any more right on the head.

>>10438600
Has it ever crossed your mind that it might be the same guy as the "can't build muscle" anon?

>>10438605
>I thought you guys were supposed to be proud?
What do you mean "you guys"?

Anyways, you said "fag" with an intent to be insulting. This does not reflect well to your character. If you are OP, then stuff like that may be the reason why you're struggling to find a meaningful relationship.

>>10438154
BS. You can't say looks are worth just 20% when women rate 80% of men as BELOW average and don't view them as potential suitors unless they're at least moderately attractive.

Women settle of course, but when you're talking about attraction the evidence says that collectively they're just as shallow as men if not more so. And this makes perfect sense because biologically speaking women should care more about looks than men since reproduction is so costly to them.

https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html

>>10438105
Go to a Wal-Mart and look at all the ugly people who are married. A mate is out there for you. It will not be a supermodel. Get over it and live your life.

>>10438590
Why did almost every society on earth, easily the overwhelming majority, in every recorded historical record, and all the civilisations that prospered, all promote male and female monogomy?

>>10438551
Faggot. Kys

>>10439232
>Why did almost every society on earth, easily the overwhelming majority, in every recorded historical record, and all the civilisations that prospered, all promote male and female monogomy?
The more important question is "Who gives a shit?" and more to the point "Why do you care, faggot?"

>>10439402
Very artistic of you /sci/tizen

>>10438565
>manwhore
roasties OUT

>>10438558
dumb incel

>>10438105
Tell me honestly, what do you think is true? It should be obvious.

>>10438652
Sorry, faggot, didn't mean to insult your Fagness.

>>10438247
women are complete tools for chad only. Also men are not as lookist as women. Men rate 50% of the other gender as average compared to womens 80%.

It's hilarious how incels on 4chan give constant and different accounts of what women REALLY want. I'll give you a hint; it's whatever they are insecure about.

Literally nobody on Earth who isn't on this retarded website is retarded enough to believe that you can only be attractive or not attractive, and multiple factors both genetic, lifestyle based, socioeconomic, and personality determines how "attractive" you are. It's literally the simplest thing in the world, but you need an excuse for your own failings, so whatever. What a shit thread.

>>10440917
only incels call people incels, incel
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>>10438430
he smoked a joint ?

>>10438105
Just look at TheRedPill subreddit if you want to know the components to attraction. It's possible to get sucky sucky in 10 minutes, though you'd need to be extraordinarily lucky with right place right time. A recently divorced women could do this.

>>10438739
It's not a matter of being "shallow", it's basic hypergamy. Woman want the highest value male they can attract, and they don't give two shits about sharing.

>>10438123
>would've looked decent if he changed his lifestyle?

This is a mouth-breather face vs a nose-breather face. Most people don't seem to know this anymore but breathing through your mouth will lead to you growing up to be an ugly bastard.
A lot of the ugly people you see probably didn't have being an ugly bastard written in their genes: it was something that happened to them via an adolescence of not living in a healthy way.
With better parents they would be normal or good-looking.

>>10441452
I mean a childhood and adolescence. Other factors would be having poor posture as a kid, being sedentary as a kid, poor nutrition as a kid and not enough hard food as a kid.

>shallow
Shallow is a shitty way to look at things. If your brain discerns between good-looking and ugly people in an effort to select a healthy mate and reject unhealthy mates: why in the fuck would it be acceptable for anyone to select a butt ugly mate?
Gold-digger is another stupid way to look at things. Women need resources from men because they are vulnerable and can't fend for themselves when pregnant and looking after small children. At least that's what their genes tell them.
It is the most natural thing in the world for a woman to be after a guy that looks healthy and isn't broke.

>>10441050
>only incels call people incels, incel
In the old days, like, two years ago, they were just assholes. As in, "You know that asshole from IT who is always grumbling that women are whores?" "Oh, that asshole." "Yeah. That asshole is a total asshole."

>>10438105
Based on my gf tastes i concluded that:
20% beard and masculine fluff
8% hair
2% small magnetic eyes
5% well shaped and wide jaw/neck
5% wide shoulders, nice back
5% overall muscles definition
5% dick
50% self-esteem, charisma, masculine/adult behvaiour and posture

>>10438536
And yet you replied

>>10438105

Human sexuality has many aspects. There are biological, emotional, & physical factors in attraction.

Which aspects of a person's sexuality attract another is influenced by cultural factors; it has varied through time & is influenced by personal factors.

A person's physical appearance has a critical impact on their sexual attractiveness. Attraction is also influenced significantly by audition & olfaction.

Not all girls will fellate an alpha in 10mins or less.

Women also care about other things though these are not particularly significant w/ regards to sexual attraction.

The "blackpilled" are partially correct though they extend some valid points too much.

The truth is pretty much always disappointing, we as humans basically invent copes for everything in life cause it's actually really depressing and disappointing for the majority of us. There are so many copes written into our culture as default responses to the disappointing reality we live in.

Most of the things in the red pill/black pill are pretty much true but we pretend they aren't because that isn't a reality we want to live in. If we were perfectly honest with ourselves we would admit it cause deep down I think we all know. This is why people get so angry, they know it's true but they can't bear to admit it, so it hurts them emotionally when someone doesn't hide from the truth like they do.

>>10440814
Facts don't care about your feelies sweaty

>>10441452
I am willing to bet that, in most of these cases, the etiology is defined by inherited developmental deficiencies which, over time, make mouth breathing chronic and involuntary.

Mike Mew has all but sworn that his treatment methods can “decompress” a poorly developed adult maxilla, and that even something like poor IPD could be fixed with proper orthotropic methods. In one of his videos, he notes that accident / stroke victims experience palsy of the biting muscles, which gradually results in bone slippage / zygo shifting / eyes getting closer together.

This means that facial musculature is important in preventing maxillary downswing, and that you don’t want the muscles in your face to atrophy. It does /not/ mean that hypertrophy of the biting muscles is an “inverse” process that can widen your IPD / grow your ramii / fix your chin recession.

Myopalatal training during puberty is helpful. Proper oral posture is good. After watching / reading everything I could about their work, however, I think the Mew family’s conjectures about this process are just family pet theories - like Wegener believing that the wind and the tides could move the continents. I would stay away.

>>10438652

>>10441452
Wow, that picture could almost be straight out of a Hitler manual on how to recognize jews.

>>10438105
dunno really, most top models date ugly ass hoes


gandy

>>10445810

opry

>>10445822
this mf

>>10440844
Have you never held a conversation with another man or woman?
Women will say such thing as he is nice, funny, good, rich etc.
Guys only talk about ass and tits. Nobody cares about anything else and your value as a male is ranked by other males according to how hot your partner is.
But women rank differently. Yes looks are somewhat important but not as important as to men. They value things like intelligence, wealth and personality. An guy who has some of these attributes can easily bed or wed a hot woman.
But a female who is ugly doesn't have a chance in this world.
It's really sad desu how important looks are when you are a woman.

>>10445832

last one.


y'all blow looks way outta proportion, it's impotent but not that impotent

>>10441452
Fax

>>10445836
This, the fucking dating site poll and even the full study of the data and other data show this too. Women grade like that maybe because the data on the site is actually skewed and the people using those sites are actually thirsty enough to over-rate, or maybe because their 10/10 is literally unattainable He-man and the average mortal is worse than meh.

The fact still remain that women hold much wider range of acceptable traits when it comes to men. Men want the inborn traits of women, which is a good face being the must-have and then bonus points for the body type. Women want the phenotype (not to be confused with the P H E N O T Y P E), which means as long as you're doing good, they don't care how you're doing it. Be ugly manlet with tons of money and holding politicians by the balls with social power? Here is your hot women. Muscle man top of the shelf body with goblin face? Plenty hot women will be wet when you slap some little shit around in a bar. Even artsy basedboys get their share if they are good at being artsy or the like.

Men want the genotype which means pure beauty with awful "cheats" like plastic surgery or makeup.

Of course those are not laws, more like general rules, but it's much much harder to find ugly women with hot men than the other way around. Buying yourself a poor slavic, utterly mentally average wife just because she looks so hot isn't a meme (look Trump etc).

>>10446349
Sorta wrong

>>10447667
Nice argument to back that up

>>10440917
Ask me how I know you're a roastie.

>>10447690
Ty


See pix posted above

>>10438105

When two people meet what they both think is "what can this person do for ME" not "what can I do for them"
This is all you really need to understand to understand human relationships

>>10447725
How?