/sci/ - Science & Math

Fuck those kikes, never forget what they did to the Sci-Hub founder.

>Following a lawsuit brought in the US by the publisher Elsevier, Elbakyan is presently in hiding due to the risk of extradition

Based and red-pilled.

Sweden has, to my knowledge, completely disavowed Elsevier and no longer allows their universities to (((pay))) them for their services.

>>10432796
>Is the journal scam finally ending?
Hope so. Nobody has anything to gain from journals.

Elsevier and all for-profit publishers are fucking worthless leeches. Who even publishes there or even reads that shit when you have IEEE and similar orgs to publish in

>tfw my 2 papers are published in an Elsevier journal and it cost me quite a bit

Fuck them

>>10432899
Based and redpilled

>>10432796
evil won the war.

>>10432796
Based

May they go down in flames and their outsourced Pajeet proofing team with them

ITT: commies

BERKELEY STRONK
please let me transfer I don't want to plateau at dvc

>>10433736
>opposing abusive publishing companies is literal communism
fuck off boomer

>>10434360
The ones spazzing out agains Elsevier are institutions that try to publish literal crap.
What is University of California known for?

Not trying to defend Elsevier's past actions, but this is a fight for ability to publish crap like "gender studies research" muh feels essays and equate them to actual research.

We are entering sadder times, my friend

>>10434748
Their prices are extortionate and not in proportion to the service rendered. That's reason enough not to subscribe.

>>10434767
Their prices are what people are willing to pay for. They are good enough to publish research that you think will raise your institution's respect and will be reached by your target audience, which is what has been happening so far.

Gender studies universities can't afford prices, so they need to publish somewhere else.

Quietly dropping it and switching to a 3rd grade journal will make your institution look bad.
Creating an outrage and then picking some 3rd grade publisher that will publish your feelings essays for free with politically correct peer reviewing process makes it seem less terrible.
Say you're doing it because it's "morally right", and you've just made yourself a hero in the process too.

>>10432796
God we're so fucking based. GO BEARS!
>>10434145
You're gonna make it, my friend.
>>10434748
Imagine being so dumb you don't know what powerhouses of scientific research Berkeley and UCLA are. I don't care what you read on the news, the vast majority of STEM people here are serious and dedicated, the courses are extremely difficult, and there is a ton of research going on. We generally treat the social "sciences" people like children, at least at Berkeley.

El Sevier... now Relx. The parent company of my former employer Lexis Nexis. "The DNC emails" that Assange leaked were my work emails that I sent during my year of sitting in a cubicle next to some guy "Don" that looked exactly like Assange with a mustache. The main two people whose lies and chronic bad faith was documented in the emails were Jesse and Clarence, two offsite coworkers down in Boca Raton... in DWS congressional district... just like in the DNC emails.

>>10432808
Also libgen for text digital text books.

>>10434812
>Their prices are what people are willing to pay for
You need access to published research in your field or you can't do your job. This isn't a luxury, it's an absolute necessity, which a parasitic organisation is taking advantage of. Luckily there are way around this.

>>10434812
>Their prices are what people are willing to pay for.
Sweden, Germany, and UC stopped paying for the shit. There are other publishers of top journals, and some are leaving Elsevier. Figuratively a house of cards.

>>10434812
>gender studies universities
t. bitter berkeley reject at cal poly

>>10434748
>The ones spazzing out agains Elsevier are institutions that try to publish literal crap.
And isn't Elsevier making huge money off that "literal crap"?

>What is University of California known for?
How can you be this dumb? Pic related springs to mind.
Of course, they've made huge contributions to pure sciences as well.
The UC system also manages famous labs like Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore, they've earned at least 10 nobel prizes
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/uc-system/parts-of-uc
>b-but libruls bad. libruls stupid. big (((business))) smart & good.

>>10434958
>b-but they're gender studies universities1!1 /pol/ said so!!

Fuck, the berks are out in force tonight.

>>10434855
I'm sure there is some great research going on there due to some quality individuals, but long-term, the university has made it clear what their focus is, and it isn't you.

>>10434880
Oh, boy.
That's like saying
>You need access to racetracks or you can't do your job of driving a racecar. This isn't a luxury, it's an absolute necessity, which a parasitic organisation is taking advantage of. Luckily there are way around this.

Except, there are no ways around it, if you want to be a race car driver.

Since you're clearly not in the field, this is the way things work: universities pay subscription, students get free access, students might get an upper hand and produce better results.
Not all universities pay, as there are plenty of journals out there, but not everything is on Elsevier either. It isn't essential, this is why they could cancel their subscription.


>>10434883
You're really not giving great examples, but ok.
3 possibilities:
1.) This is it, those are all the major dropouts, things will carry on for Elsevier, and the other parties will suffer s bit as a result.
2.) They will revise the pricing model and everyone will be happy
3.) They'll topple over.

We'll see what happens.

>>10434889
Iunno, everywhere I've been to the states for academic reasons in secondary school, they've been pretty aggressive with their advertising, so when I was applying, I never considered.

>>10434958
You don't even know the half of it:
https://www.journals.elsevier.com/womens-studies-international-forum/

Also, quantity =/= quality. Have you read some of the papers that get published in comp-sci? Half of them are copies of secondary school mathematics, because noone seems to understand basic maths.

But again, not saying they have a terrible scientific branch, just saying the current governing body is more interested in politics than research.

Saying that, they are performing worse in terms of research for their size.

>>10434994
>>10435010

Also, stop fucking larping as a sudent, you're just making it look worse, and take your political rage back to your shillmasters. How much are you getting paid?

>>10434880
>it's an absolute necessity
This also. And their predatory structure locks potential scientists from poorer schools or countries completely out of the system.

>>10435010
>Look at this women's studies journal they published!
If we line up all the journals that UC publishes in, what percentage will be women's or gender studies, I wonder?

>But again, not saying they have a terrible scientific branch
Keep backpedaling. You'll get to the right answer eventually.

>>10435016
>larping
The irony is rich.

>>10433736

Well said. A true capitalist writes an article, for free, and reviews articles, for free, so that someone who neither wrote nor reviewed the article can sell it back to him at obscene rates.

>>10432796
fucking finally.
there was a talk this year on C3 about something similar happening in EU so at least in Germany is definitive resistance forming against this bullshit.

Journals are a fucking scam in the information era. You pay to get your article processed, and then you pay to get access to other people's articles. They get paid on both ends of the process, and all they have to do is maintain a website, a database, and some folks who review the articles before they get accepted. And those folks are sometimes volunteers. No wonder Elsevier got higher margins than Apple, Google or Amazon.

Is it that hard for universities to come together and create an open-source, respectable publication archive or series of journals?

>>10435010
>Except, there are no ways around it, if you want to be a race car driver.
That's a pretty bad example. Academics don't do their work in the journals. The analogy doesn't fit at all.
Also there are ways around getting acess. You can get all these articles and text books for free.

>>10432796
What on Earth did Elsevier spend between 1.2 and 1.3 billion on last year? Obviously there are production cost for the print journals and some administrative costs connecting the papers with reviewers but over a billion dollars worth?

>>10434812
Lmao you actually think Berkeley is a gender studies university? You can't be this dumb

>>10433736
>opposing a system in which researchers have to pay to publish papers put behind a paywall that doesn't pay researchers back is communism
Try harder, /pol/.

>>10435356
>Try harder, /pol/.
As if /pol/ would support a Jewish corporation

The future is privately funded research and open information access.

>>10435010
>the university has made it clear what their focus is, and it isn't you.
Appeal to motive fallacy, even if your boomer-tier conspiracy fantasies were true.

>racetrack analogy
Interesting you choose racetracks of all things. Yes, a company can engage in predatory price-gouging practices when they have a lot of market share. And that company then shouldn't be surprised if their customers start taking their business elsewhere.

>https://www.journals.elsevier.com/womens-studies-international-forum/
Retard logic. This existence of this journal does not erase their massive contributions to hundreds of other fields. Elsevier publishes thousands of journals.

>Also, quantity =/= quality.
True, but for what it's worth, CSRankings only aggregates data from top publications.

>>10435016
>larping
>shill
>paid
Hitting all the meme buttons today, are we?

Listen anon, it's really okay to concede an argument when you say something retarded like "What is UC known for" and promptly get blown out by a mountain of facts and metrics. Fighting on with insults and increasingly retarded arguments doesn't help your case.

>>10435010
lmao just embarrassing
you're so fucking jealous, it's hilarious
feels good to learn and grow every day at one of the world's best universities :)

>>10432808
FPBP

>not going to a uni that isn't a deposit library
>Not having access to all scientific work ever published in your country

>>10435288
>he can't be this dumb
He demonstrably *is* that dumb, though.

>>10435356
>taxpayer-funded researchers have to pay to publish papers
>put behind a paywall that taxpayers have to pay *again* to read
Try harder to defend the parasitic corporate monopoly, /sci/rrhus.

>>10436421
>>10435288
Liberal are bad guys. White men are under attack at Berkeley! Respectable race """"scientists"""" haven't had a platform there! Breitbart said so!

>>10432796
We're gonna see some (((mysterious))) suicides happen.
(((They))) suicided a hacker over this a few years ago.

Its a free market cucks, if you don't like it fund your own research

>>10434889
Don't drag poly into this retard's crusade

>>10438838
>It's a free market
Except it's not. It's a monopoly that big publishers go to extreme lengths to hold on to (by doing shit like preventing authors from sharing their papers in any other way), which also means it can't be broken into by a small publisher.

>>10432796
You left off the vital contributions publishers make such as ensuring uniform standards of layout and margin sizes.

>>10432796
>Is the journal scam finally ending?
The journals are not the only culprit. There's only two reasons why we try to publish in 'good' journals with high IF:
a) Our fucking careers depend on it
b) Our fucking funding bodies want to see 'results', and 'result' doesn't mean just good science, but published papers in said journals
And because journals know these very simple facts, they can hike up the prices as they please. UC is doing a fine job standing up to them, but without funding bodies stepping in and helping out by adjusting (b), it won't go anywhere.

>>10439172
Impact factor is just how many (you)s a paper gets on average in a given journal. It's like posting a spicy shitpost on a fast moving board. Yes you'll get more replies than on /diy/ but the board only contributes by putting a lot of eyeballs in front of your content. Once open access online publishing and peer review becomes standard the 20th century concept of a paid journal will go out the window.

>>10432796
Elsevier's time is ending and it my makes my cock rock hard. Just thinking about the board members, panicking, because the world is not falling for their scam anymore. It gives me a hard cock and fills me with joy.

Elsevier is basically a proof of germans still being stupid nazis even worse than kikes.

>>10439341
It's Dutch my manno

>>10439346

>(((Dutsch)))

fix'd

>>10439341
This is might be the dumbest post I've see on 4chan, ever.

>>10438838
>Its a free market
L0Lno fgt pls
Lrn2free-market

>>10432796
REEEE DAY HAS COME
BANDIT PUBLISHERS BTFO
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