/sci/ - Science & Math

First time since 2011 that an American-launched human-capable spacecraft will be in orbit!

>>10424118
the first time since Skylab that an American launch human-capable spacecraft with a design that isn't shit will be in orbit

>>10424117
Nice Russian flag you have in your writing there.

>>10424126
The Orion test vehicle did two orbits, but that’s not exactly the same thing as this

>>10424127
wrong order lad

>>10424127
That's Dutch flag, not Russian

Cheer all you want Boeing is winning the race and their test mission will become a full duration stay on the station according to NASA.

>>10424211
Lol, Boeing's crewed flight is guaranteed to happen in 2020, because they had to scrap their uncrewed capsule and switch it with the Abort test capsule due to the hypergolic "leak".

>>10424211
>>10424229
>"This was passed on to me, but needs checking. Trying to get my head around it, so a copy and paste:

>They have substituted the Starliner that was to fly on the demo flight, to replace the damaged Starliner that was to be used on the abort test.

>They are then going to use the Starliner that is still in production that was meant for the first manned flight, as the demo flight test article.

>The second "manned" flight Starliner that is still only half built, will be then used on the first manned flight and likely to be 2020.

>So, if I'm reading that correctly before we attempt to get an official answer (questionable if they will even answer it), OFT Starliner is now the abort test vehicle. CFT Starliner is now OFT (flying first, which we had heard). Another new Starliner - in production - is now CFT".

just had a thought: why have we never done anything like Gemini-Agena again? assembling propulsion and crew modules in orbit can give you a lot of extra dV and mass

how long is the launch window

>>10424229
The leak was a minor simulations related issue that was quickly resolved.

Dragon still has some problems related to high risk cryo propellant loading and parachutes.

I am sure if this spacex flight is successful more issues will be discovered that will delay its crew launch well beyond the Starliner.

>>10424384
The dragon only has a dry mass of around 10 tons though. They should be able to easily lift it to orbit without subcooling the propellant.

>>10424384
>The leak was a minor simulations related issue that was quickly resolved

Note the lack of source

>>10424393
I noticed

So nice of SpaceX's PR department to post these well-formatted shill threads for every launch.

>>10424401
lol shoo shoo bezos

>>10424405
Yeah man, the OP totally reads like something I would post on 4chan as a regular human being and did not come from a press kit. P.S. I like anime

>>10424393
It's from NSF L2, so it's an inside source. Time will prove it right if you don't believe me.

>>10424401
It is almost as if there are people who are fans of spaceflight out there. Oh the humanity.

Wasn't the hopper supposed to hop in Feburary?

>>10424410
shoo shoo annoying little fly :^)

>>10424275
Requires more than one launch.

>>10424435
In a perfect world with no delays for anything, it would have been ready in February. Unfortunately we live in a world where (((((delays))))) exist and so it has taken longer.

>>10424455
yeah man, fucking winds!

>>10424461
>winds
no, that was just extra work for water tower welders. spacex still don't have three raptor engines ready to fly

>>10424378
Instant

>>10424516
Are windows to ISS always instant?

>>10424519
often, not always. ULA can have a longer window due to some trajectory trickery. Depends on the rocket and GNC for the most part

>>10424410
sorry for being thorough, jeez

Also whoops, the docking dates in the OP are wrong. Copied them from the NASA kit without checking or using my brain

Has Dragon docked by itself before or has it always been captured by robot arm?
This being a demo for a crew vehicle surely has to be able to dock without external assistance.

>>10424532
correct, that’s one of the big goals for this test flight. Previously cargo dragons were all “berthed”—grabbed by canadarm and attatched to the station by the station. Now crew dragon will autonomously dock to the IDA. Crew Dragon still has manual docking capability if necessary in the form of a passenger wiggling a joystick though

>>10424536
That's some real life KSP shit right there.

>>10424538
manual docking goes back a ways. The Gemini program incorporated a lot of human controlled spacecraft maneuvers, and that was the 60s. Astronauts are pretty good replacements for fancy lidar and control algorithms it turns out. But, in the long run it’s simpler and safer to just have the computer do it
(looking at you, mir & M-34)

>>10424117
Well boys, I was working on this capsule for the last six months until January when the layoffs happened. Going to watch this one go.

It's my first stage, my second stage, and my capsule. Been involved in constructing or otherwise preparing all three.

So, weird feelings about this one, being laid off and all. I'm happy for my team. You could not ask for a better group of people to work with.

>>10424594
I wish I had such cool resume. Any insider info you can spare for us? Did you work with Elon and Shotwell?

>>10424594
any wheels of cheese this time around?

>>10424602
No, I was a technician. That being said, the guys at the Cape and the leadership there are incredible.

I'm taking this opportunity to go back to school. I'll be back at it in ~5 years

>>10424159
Oh shit! Asteroid mining starting now?

Anyone watching it in person?

>>10424118
Sorry, this just makes me think of the docking scene in Interstellar

>>10424735
real life docking is a stupidly slow process. if there weren’t the dozen of hold points and re-re-checkouts it could be like in the movies

>>10424117
Another CGI rocket... yay...

God I hope this thing doesn't blow up

>>10424778
if it explodes right around max Q it might qualify for the in-flight abort, heh

>>10424455
((((delays))))
fucking jews man, controlling the wind these days as well?

I'll post anything interesting from the nasa social thing. watching it right now; they appear to have shared some new interior pics

>>10424841
What are they testing for in that pic?

>>10424876
go to -1:15:00; seat harnesses or something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

lots of SAR stuff.
-LES of course, land in ocean
-emergency egress system; zipline from tower to ground, have surplus armored vehicles to carry them away
-firefighters can get the astronauts out of the capsule if needed
-Air Force contributes parachute rescue jumpers to secure the water landed capsule
-if they land in "the wrong spot" the DoD can get em (different country?)
-land-based rescue team / heli as well

Crew dragon interior https://youtu.be/mE_hCTfMdng

>>10424594
congratulations, I'm jealous.

Prelaunch conf in 10 minutes!

Press kit! https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/crew_demo-1_press_kit.pdf

>>10425314
Oh my! That is exceptionally lewd.

>>10425309
stream started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

>>10425330
Why is a German narrating this?

>>10425348
Hanz is the resident German at Space

wonder what it smells like on the inside

hueh

>>10425348
You can't fly to space without Germans

>>10425364
The Soviets managed to get into space on their own.

>>10425374
they also had germans
>>10425372
top left looks like the kind of guy to wave a shotgun and yell at the kids to get off his lawn

>>10425374
Not until some time after they kidnapped a bunch of German rocket scientists.

>>10424410
maybe that's because you're an ADD underage incel who hasn't seen any other recurring formatted threads

>>10425382
>Magna Cum Laude with Honors, Tulane University; Distinguished Graduate, U.S. Marine Corps Officer Candidates School; Distinguished Graduate, Tulane University NROTC; Distinguished Graduate, U.S. Navy Pilot Training. Stephen A. Hazelrigg Memorial Award for best Test Pilot/Engineer Team, Naval Strike Aircraft Test Squadron. Awarded the Legion of Merit, the Defense Superior Service Medal, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals and various other service awards. In April, 2015, he received the 2014 Tulane University Distinguished Alumni Award.

>First Marine pilot to fly the F/A‐18 E/F Super Hornet
>pilot on STS‐127 and STS‐135


yow

>>10425393
that doesn't tell me how much of a crotchety old man he is

>>10425395
>Recreational interests include hunting and spending time with family in the Texas Hill Country.

damn anon you're actually right

>>10425398
space boomer

spacex dummy ("smarty") is named Ripley

>>10425408
alien

Where were you when Musky BTFO old space?

>>10425410
that was last year, wasn't it?

>>10425410
sitting in my computer chair, browsing 4chan

>>10425410
>Not supporting both old and new space, encouraging them to do their best

>>10425414
>ganbare, boeing-chan

>>10425414
Old space is trying to kill our main man musky, so, no, fuck em!

>>10425314
>4chan logo on mission patch

godspeed and good fortune, faggot

>>10425440
man imagine if /sci/ was around for F1 mission 1-3.
>SpaceX btfo, they're never going anywhere

>>10425440
it's a four leaf clover and they've had one on every patch for a long time now
it has a few other associations aside from 4chan

>>10425444
ever since F1 flight 4

>>10425444
They put the first clover on the patch for for the 4th falcon 1 launch, the first to be successful, and they have for every patch after.

>>10425292
sexy/10

>>10424117
>>10424826
>>10425292
wtf they completely ruined the look of the pad it looks tacky as fuck

>>10425676
the gray sky isn't helping. it looks fine with a blue sky

>>10425314
>>10425440

>>10425687
I'm glad Yotsuba can into space

32 bongs left https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE

going vertical

>>10425383
>Not until some time after they kidnapped a bunch of German rocket scientists.
Soviets had a secret rocket program developed in 1930 based on work from Tsarist era scientists

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_for_the_Study_of_Reactive_Motion#GIRD-X

Here we go!

>>10426227
26 bongs left

Why is the "new" pad so fucking ugly?

>>10426252
?

>>10425676
>>10426252
The tower is left over from the Apollo/STS period. The boarding arm is new.

>>10426252
>>10426302
That and the cosmetic changes SpaceX is working on are only about halfway done. They're slowly cladding the sides of the whole tower.

They removed a bunch of stuff that Shuttle needed at a bunch of different heights while on the pad. They also removed the escape cable-chairs that weren't as good as a rocket escape. So now there's nothing but the basic frame all the way to the top.

>>10426328
aesthetics are important; they pained all of the spacex machine tools the same sort of black and white as well in hawthorn

hello, Ripley

>>10426375
I wonder if they put a small alien figure in there with her. A chestburster would be cool, but I doubt NASA would allow that.

>>10426375
Are they sending up any supplies as well? The interior looks pretty empty.

>>10426418
180kg as the OP says. Some spare parts, I believe a replacement bit for a spacewalk suit or something. The cargo I think is stored inside of wall panels / under the seats. It has a toilet too, in one corner

>>10426375
That’s going to be one of the live views, neat. Wonder if they’ll ever actually fly it with 7 people in the max seat config

Look at the foot rests - seems like the shoes will lock into them like a cyclist does with their pedals.

>>10426425
Kek

>>10426434
yeah they haven’t been that forgoing in the toilet details. better than the Apollo poop squeezing bags, for sure

>>10424427
Sounds like Nazi Germany to me

>>10426435
what was the Gemini poop solution?

>>10426439
A bag

>>10426441
then it was augmented with germicide and tape for Apollo, right?

>>10426443
yeah; the main issue was separation. For Apollo they had to also manually... manage the bags and squeeze them and stuff

There’s some transcript from one of the missions where a log goes floating by and they debate who’s it is

>>10426446
did that change for Skylab?

>>10426375
Where does the SpaceX suit plug into lifesupport?

>>10426425
I would expect them to send up a couple days of fresh fruit, they always include some in every cargo flight. The vast majority will be parts and maybe some new samples to run experiments on.

>>10426455
It's on the right or left thigh.

>>10426461
is it interchangeable, unique, or you just don't remember

>>10426464
I don't remember which thigh it's on, but it's definitely on one of them.

>>10426466
good info thanks

>>10426235
i'm fully erect

>the crewed flight will spend over a day in orbit before arriving at the station
must be awful

>>10426857
they used to do it that way before they got comfortable with the current launch vehicle which cannot be named. I'm sure they're ok with being in space and looking out the window a little longer

T - 18 hours

>>10426466
right thigh

>>10426918
plus they’re not going to be in a scrunched fetal position

>>10426857
Soyuz used to take like two and a half days. Only 6 hours now, but still sometimes the new shorter approach has to be reverted to the longer one.

>>10426960
This, they could do it much faster but all kinds of safety procedures make it take much longer.

Reminder Boeing got about 2 billion more for this.

>>10426857
Sounds fucking great desu

>>10424117
>2:49 AM EST

>>10427010
>3.49pm Australian time

Comfy

>>10427010
You can blame Russia for the ISS’s weird orbit in the first place

>>10427010
I want to stay up to watch it but i don't want to knowing that it could be pushed back

>>10427028
That has nothing to do with this

>>10427036
it has already been pushed back a lot by gbrmnt shutdown

Post your launch music (just going with Test Shot Starfish is also acceptable).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcev7yEPeF8

>>10426441
>literal poopsocking
Having anything vaguely resembling a toilet in a launch capsule must be a major advance in astronaut comfort.
You can get away without pooping for a few days when in freefall (source: Richard Garriot's ISS toilet story), but you still gotta pee, and it can take a day or so to get lined up and finish docking.

>>10426918
>the current launch vehicle which cannot be named
You mean Soyuz?

>>10426425
It's good to mention neither Orion nor Starliner have a toilet and both are noticeably more expensive than the Dragon.
While the starliner isn't really meant for extended deep space stays, the Orion is. Crews are going to have fun.

>>10427246
>no toilet
wtf lol, even ancient Soyuz has a toilet

>>10427246
Are you sure about Orion though? I distinctly remember an article or video on the interior and there was mention of a collapsible toilet partition. And the wiki article also says it will have a toilet.

>>10427329
Early proposed design had a toilet but it was removed later on during weight savings. Modern diapers are a marvel of technology.

>>10427329
Orion does have a space shuttle-style toilet and the space suits also have diapers.

hurry up gahh

>>10427329
>>10427378
Anyone have any sources on if Orion does or doesn't have a toilet? I tried looking it up but I'm finding conflicting results. If Orion doesnt have a toilet then I feel very sorry for any astronaut who has to ride that thing for days.

>>10427246
Are you implying that Dragon does? I couldn't find anything about it.

>>10427598
What if tomorrow never comes?

>>10427638
I'm pretty sure it does. I'm too lazy to rewatch this video, but I think he says it here
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVYwFFzaPp0

>>10427647
This guy is on crazy roids

looks like almost no cloud cover for the launch time

>>10427638
There isn't any concrete info but
>toilet was meant to be there initially
>removed due to weight limitations on ares 1
It might have been reintroduced after the change to sls but I don't think we'll know until it flies.

Searching reveals some info about waste disposal and things like that.
>https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/moore_aes_tagged.pdf
>"Demonstration of common compact toilet for ISS and Orion (Oct. 2018)"
I haven't heard of any such demonstrations. The pdf is also from 2016 so that might explain why.

As for the dragon toilet the source is commercial crew related nasa people doing AMA on leddit several months ago.

>>10427647
>>10427772
Thank you!

>>10427825
look at all that scaffolding

>>10427832
what the fuck is going on over there on the right

>>10427825
Is it me, does this section look like there's a massive dent on the side?

>>10427833
Looks like they're building another ring for the top. It's probably a better way to build it that the first time.

>>10427835
hmmmm

>>10427825
So there’s an entire other control panel behind the first one

>>10427837
Looks like it.

It’s a spaceshipyard! Well it’s becoming one at least

>>10427900
I believe that's kind of what Elon has in mind, Starships being built like actual ships to speed up production and lower costs. Seems like a risky gamble but a game changing one if successful.

>>10427915
I think the only thing Elon has on its mind is how to avoid bankruptcy of his companies.

>>10427837
it's just a wibble, those happen all the time on sheet steel

>>10427923
those are the same thing lol

>>10427930
so what you’re saying is the whole rocket will sound like this when it takes off? https://youtu.be/LCalLrlA_cI

>>10427915
WTF is this bullshit even supposed to mean?

>>10427942
with any luck

>>10427837
Just pressurize it and that'll buff right out.

>>10427947
Building rockets out in the open, building the components in Hawthorne and shipping them to Boca Chica to be assembled in sections like ships are.

>>10427947
see how they're slapping it together outside in the weather? shipyard work, not clean room work. makes things much cheaper.

>>10427915

I don't think we can draw that conclusion. This is a low fidelity test article with crude formation applicable only to it. The full fidelity production ships will be built like they normally do.

>>10427956
>assembled in sections

So you think in rocket factories they don't do that? Are you retarded?

>>10427959
It's a hopper, not a rocket.

>>10427962
it's a rocket, anon
what does it use to fly?

>>10427963
It doesn't fly, it hops.

>>10427959
>>10427960
>>10427962
>>10427963
>>10427967
The job listings for Boca Chica suggest the Starship Prototype will also be built outdoors.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/spacex-job-openings-starship-super-heavy-booster-texas-production/amp/

>>10427959
>>10427960
>>10427962
>>10427963
>>10427967
The job listings for Boca Chica suggest the Starship Prototype will also be built outdoors.

https://www.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=Spacex&l=Rio+Grande+Valley%2C+TX

>>10427980
>>10427995
good work fag

>>10427995

That's literally for the hopper, fool.

>>10428000
https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=640952b4d891990e
this one says "come work on Super Heavy" which is the booster

>>10428011
It literally says right there they are going to have a production floor for those. Anything else would be ridiculous.

>>10428024
>production floor
that might not mean anything more than a tent

>>10428039
every time you call it a tent a Sprung employee sheds a tear

>>10428039
If the Superheavys come out in the same quality Model 3s come out then good night SpaceX.

>>10428024
of course, but what does "remote build sites" mean to you?
>>10428044
it's a fucking tent
it's a very nice, strong tent, but it's a tent

>>10427915
>>10427980

fair point

>>10428011
>execute on the mission to build an orbital-capable Starship and Super Heavy faster than anyone though possible

It looks like they are really rushing it. Why though? What is causing them this distress to rush the BFR?

>>10428064
with Falcon 9 frozen by NASA mandate, they need to innovate before New Glenn comes to market, I believe

>>10428066
Falcon 9 frozen? What do you mean? It can fly as much as it wants as long as it has no people in it.

>>10428071
they can't innovate on it at all, which frees up a lot of design staff to go do things that aren't Falcon 9
those things are Starship Super Heavy
maybe they think they aren't rushing it?

>>10428064
starlink. moon base. showing it can be done. also, time is money.

>>10428071
NASA doesn't want each F9 build to be a special snowflake; with block 5 SpaceX is locking the design down for the CCDev program req's

>>10428074
>>10428075
But this site has told me numerous times that Block 5s are the alpha and omega of rocketry, will be reusable many times and what not. So freezing it is no harm?

>>10428101
Falcon 9 are currently the bees knees of the medium lift launch vehicles, but they won't stay at the top forever. New Glenn, if it works, could sink it. So SpaceX is continuing to innovate on their new design, Starship Super Heavy

nine bongs to go

>>10428066
>>10428071
>>10428075
Even if they wanted to innovate on the Falcon 9 design there isn't much room for innovation now, the design has been pretty much maxed out with lengthened fuel tanks and uprated engines. They could enlarge the fairing and add a Raptor-powered second stage but these upgrades would probably be more expensive than they are beneficial and would siphon resources from Starship development.

>>10428114
Nah, it's just that mean NASA that wants SpaceX to fail with their annoying "security standards" and what not.

>>10428106
Personally, I think New Glenn is more of a threat to ArianeSpace than SpaceX due to it's limited cadence (12 per year) and likely higher costs. Falcon 9 will probably get less GTO launches due to New Glenn, but it's also in the market for lighter and polar satellites which New Glenn most likely won't touch.

>>10428119
shut the fuck up nigger
>>10428114
yeah, there's no real point to any further innovations to 9, they might as well work on the next one

>>10428127
New Glenn will do everything and will be the cheapest launcher for all classes of launches. New Glenn fairing will be 7 metres wide and it can carry 45 tonnes to LEO and almost 15 to GTO. 12 launches per year are more than enough because it will cary 2-3 times as much per launch than a Falcon 9 does.

>>10428136
New Glenn will be reusable more times than Falcon 9 is, too :)

>>10428143
Would be pleasantly surprised if that happens. F9 block 5 is meant for "20-30" flights per core, I believe Bezos has said ~20 for NG

>>10428161
20 for falcon 9, 25 for new glenn and 100 for the BE-4

>>10428143
>>10428161
I'll believe it when I see it, Block 5 has launched 3 times which is impressive but far off 20. I also won't take statements about reuse from a guy who has never tested a booster in those conditions seriously.

>>10428174
I won't take statements about reuse from a guy who hasn't even landed one booster 4 times seriously.

I don't care how many reflights someone says they can do! I want to see results, and so far SpaceX leads BO by 3-0

>>10428182
What does landing boosters have to do with hypersonic re-entry conditions? I have friends who fly fighter jets faster than the speeds suborbital hops reach.

>>10428174
New Shepard hits atmosphere with almost Mach 3. The conditions it has to endure during a launch are pretty much identical to those of a Falcon 9 booster.

>>10428193
will be 4 after the in flight abort soon

>>10428197
Unless your friends fly the blackbird they aren't flying any jet that hits atmosphere as fast as NS and F9 does.

>SpaceX automated the test dummy to grab the flag and bring it home

according to the recent press thingy crew dragon is slick & easy to use from a UX point of view according to one astronaut; only 30 hard buttons/switches. the rest is done with the touchscreen.

>>10428197
What does hypersonic reentry conditions have to do with number of reuses?

>>10428223
maybe they're foxhound pilots?

>>10427833
>>10427832
it's a different kind of metal than the nose... not as shiny.

>>10428210
>>10428223
One of my Russian friends flies a Mig-31 'Foxhound', it can reach Mach 2.8 normally and even go past Mach 3 for a short while if you want to risk fucking the engines up.

>>10428193
SpaceX in 2011: "We'll make Falcon 9 fully reusable"
SpaceX in 2013: "Falcon 9 will have unlimited reuses, like a jet liner"
SpaceX in 2015: "Falcon 9 will be able to have unlimited reuses assuming significant refurbishment at certain points"
SpaceX in 2017: "Block 5 will be able to have 100 reuses and 10 reuses with no refurbishment"
SpaceX in 2018: "Block 5 will have 20 reuses before it needs significant refurbishment"
SpaceX in 2019: "We're retiring falcon 9 before each core has even 5 uses apiece :^)"

>>10428232
>using touchscreen is a shaking vechicle or trtying to finetune something
i would prefer manual controls

>>10428237
Are you retarded?

>>10428257
>touchscreen
>screen cracks/breaks

>>10428257
there's nothing critical during flight that an astronaut has to do beyond twist the abort lever or press the cabin fire button. It's all automated, everything.

>>10428257
Dragon 2 is mostly automated, the buttons are there only for abort and emergency scenarios.

>>10428258
Are you retarded?

>>10428106
>New Glenn, if it works, could sink it.
Not really.
New Glenn is a much larger rocket that'll offer less flexibility in launches because of its higher capability. They'll likely undersell it like everything Amazon does in order to grab more market, but the problem is that it is cornering a shrinking segment of the market and baby launch services like Electron are going to gobble up the expanding areas of the market.
By the time New Glenn comes to market there'll be hardly anything launching that needs it and it will just have to scrape together a bunch of rideshares.

New update for Space Engineers is out if you want to get your fix of space engineering

>>10428237
>What does hypersonic reentry conditions have to do with number of reuses?
The Falcon9 has ablative material around the base to protect it during reentry because it reaches speeds that would seriously damage the booster.
NS does not.

>>10428273
>but the problem is that it is cornering a shrinking segment of the market and baby launch services like Electron are going to gobble up the expanding areas of the market.
2/3 of its current launches are LEO constellations, not GEO sats...

>>10428275
joke game
tiny ships
no engineering involved
scam publishers
ugly game

>>10428024
Texas summer temps are 95F and higher for months. That's 35C for yuropoors.

>>10428273
The mega constellation launch contracts are a counter-argument against this, but I'm sceptical of these in general. I can't really see what else a NG would launch apart from GEO sats and constellation rideshares.

>>10428285
>2/3 of its current launches are LEO constellations, not GEO sats...
Exactly why New Glenn is fucked.

>>10428275
I haven't played that game in a while, how is it now?

I fell out of it because it just took so long to get anything done. Just gathering the materials to build a small ship was time intensive. Plus armor was pointless because ships that aren't mega-"im not compensating for something"-huge got melted fast.

>>10428305
Are you retarded?

New Glenn is unironically at the bottom of the list for "fucked" launchers.

>>10428298
considering mega constellations are the new big meme, both SpaceX with Starship and Blue Origin with New Glenn are attempting to cash in on that market

>>10428311
Performance has been optimized. There are a few more parts but the gameplay is still time intensive. There are a few more survival aspects but nothing major.

One step closer to ODSTs

>>10428313
Virtually nothing requires 45tons to LEO, which means NG will be launching well below capacity for almost every launch, which will make the launch costs relatively expensive.
They can try to boost the payload with rideshares, but this is where the small launchers are going to erode the market, by providing cheap access into specific orbits instead of having to go with a rideshare and end up in less optimal orbits.

NG is an unnecessarily big rocket, and it's not even trying to be something like BFR.

>>10428335
What is the mass of the max number of OneWeb satellites that can fit in NG's fairing?

>>10428313
Why?
Because just as >>10428321 described, mega constellations are currently memes. They're unproven, require massive investment and the case for profit is sketchy. GEO satellites are the bread and butter of commercial launches and Blue have only 2 scheduled so far, one off Inmarsat and another of a sketchy Japanese startup. So if these meme constellations fail Blue is in hot water. I'm very sceptical of Starlink to but hope the satellite R&D could be used for developing Mars communication infrastructure.

>>10428350
Are you retarded?

>>10428342
We would need to know the size of the satellites to work that out. Currently we have a mass estimate that if we just used with NG's payload capacity would mean up to 257 sats could launch on it.
But that doesn't take into account volume at all, so it's useless. Also, launching a third of the constellation into the same initial orbit would also be useless.

>>10428342
If you use purely mass numbers it's around 400 satellites, but there's little online information on the dimensions of the satellites. A Soyuz can apparently launch 32 in it's 3.7m fairing.

>>10428368
Actually scratch the last sentence because that's wrong.

Anyway, these mega constellations will likely use a variety of launch providers for the simple fact that putting too many eggs in one basket would be higher risk. Any 100+ dispenser used for one of these constellations would be new and if one failed that would be a lot of sats burning up, unless launched on Starship which would just bring them back to Earth presumably. So even if NG could launch 200 at once I doubt we would see it because that's a lot that could go wrong.

>>10428350
well the good news is that there's a lot of money going into megaconstellations right now so somebody is going to get rich

>>10428388
OneWeb have also bought a fuck ton of Soyuz and Virgin Orbit launches, as well as signing for an Ariane 62 launch. Their definitely not putting all their eggs in one basket. Telesat on the otherhand have seemingly gone all in on Blue but their constellation hasn't even signed a satellite contractor yet.

>>10428397
I feel like a lot of money will also be lost, original Iridium constellation in the 1990s style..,

>>10428397
>>10428420
>I feel like a lot of money will also be lost, original Iridium constellation in the 1990s style..,
well the difference is two constellations have already had their first launches

>>10425382
>>10425383
Our Germans are better than their Germans.

>>10428426
Iridium was fully launched before they went bankrupt, they had enough initial capital to launch them but the satellites were unprofitable. What the mega constellations are trying to do is much more ambitious so I feel the economic problems will appear quicker.

hey yall random anon here i dont mean to get too business oriented but what do you think this will mean for space X if the launch is a success?

>>10428451
i'm making a note here, a huge success

>>10428451
Nothing, because they are taking the capsule that the government paid them to develop with the expectation that they would go on to commercialize it, and they are throwing it into the trash within 3 years.

>>10428451
America goes to space again

>>10428473
This

So, I'm just curious, what will happen with Soyuz after Crewed Dragon, Starliner and so on will go live?
Will ESA astronauts still ride Soyuz?

>>10428519
we don't know

>>10428519
If the schedule and costs fit then I assume it will still be used.

>>10428519
I pretty sure the last scheduled Soyuz flight is in 2025. So Soyuz is here to stay.
As about ESA, I have no idea. Nothing stopping them from buying seat on Dragon.

>>10428519
Yes. NASA bought several seats on Soyuz for the next few years as "backup" to US launchers so they will continue.

what are you all eating for this launch? I got Taco Bell

>>10428643
vodka and sprite, cheetos puffs and concentrated shame.

>>10425361
new car smell

>>10428684
what kind? Pink lemonade Burnett’s is unironically good

>>10428707
pure cheap vodka. i was going to mix in some cranberry juice, but my 32oz cup was already filled to the brim with alcohol and soda. I do love me some lemoande though. though id prefer to drink some gourmet Limoncello. its basically hard lemonade.

i cant believe im staying up for this shit. i never stayed up for shuttle launches.

>>10428643
>I got Taco Bell
You should have a great view of the launch then.

I hope this pos explodes.

>>10428745
t. Jeff who?

>>10428748
t. can't even write coherent english

>>10428745
BUT SCIENCE!!! Science will prevent catastrophe. They've done this a billion times.

>The worlds most influential space contractor and the worlds richest man both being beaten to launch window by a start-up whos first employees were a mariachi band
The ABSOLUTE STATE.

>>10428519
Russia will slash costs on riding on the Soyuz because there will be competition.

>>10428763
>The worlds most influential space contractor
SpaceX?
They spend the most on lobbying.

>>10428763
And they got a billion more

>>10428745
I hope every launch explodes.
It's really only a mild disappointment when they don't.

Important question though, will they livestream the entire trip to the ISS? I know it'll take about a day or so but still.

>>10428772
that’s up to spacex. Probably yes

>>10428768
Never heard of Boeing?

>>10428775
a quick view on opensecrets shows that Boeing spends way more than spacex

>>10428778
>a quick view on opensecrets shows that Boeing spends way more than spacex
almost none of that is spent on space, and even less so on space launch
they are much more into satellites than launches

>>10428750

>>10428763

>>10428763
Ay, ay, ay, ay
Volar y no cancelar
Porque volando se alegran
Cielo espacio, los corazones

>>10428779
The word "contractor" was used for a reason.

>>10428519
Soyuz will be just fine because SpaceX is about to be liquidated after Tesla goes bankrupt. Hope those two astronauts brought a parachute.

>>10428763
>>10428794
>>10428803
samefag

5 BONGS

>>10428805
no, it wasn't

>>10428806
>>10428810
samefag
Have you sold those short positions yet?

>>10428810

>>10428826
You're not fooling anyone here you dumb faggot

>>10428810
You're clearly unaware of how widespread those gifs and images are.

>>10428822
I don't hold any Telsa or SpaceX stock, long or short. My only concern, as a public spirited citizen, is for those poor, poor motorists and astronauts who are about to be incinerated when their ramshackle vehicles invariably explode.

>>10428834
t.survivor of the great (You) shortage of 2017

>>10428860
Protip:
Only newfaggots from reddit (such as yourself) give a shit about "yous"

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP, A GODDAMN AMERICAN CREWED (to be crewed) CAPSULE IS LAUNCHING SOON AAAAAAAAA

>>10428898
FUCK YEAH AMERICA!

>>10428902

>>10428898
Have to remind Europoors that the first voyage to another world happened because America

Is the link in the OP supposed to be broken? Can I get an updated link to the stream?

>>10428910
This should be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE

>>10428918
Many thanks

>>10428858
You shouldn't be. They signed up for this shit.

hopefully YouTube won’t be FUCKING STUPID and stream at good quality for once. Of course, the kino thing to do is have both the NASA and SpaceX streams in separate monitors

>>10428984
>the kino thing
shut the fuck up you retarded child
you don't even know what that word is

>>10428987
bruh

>>10428904
American Rockets
American Spacecraft
American Soil

>>10428984
there's a NASA stream?

>>10429029
NASA always streams their ISS missions

>>10429037
yeah I found it

>>10429006
shut the fuck up you retarded baby memer there are real men who take themselves very seriously talking here

>>10429041
they often have really great zoom lenses and stuff. the NROL spacex mission was cool as fuck on the NASA stream

"Super high tech zero-g indicator added just before launch!"

>>10429047
flatearthtards btfo

>>10427050
MUUURRRPPPPHHHHHHHHH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVtMYqUAyw

>>10429047
>>10429050
give him a name /sci/

>>10429055
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1551502294536.webm

>>10429055
don't understand this meme
he literally never says "MUUURRRPPPPHHHHHHHHH" in the movie

>>10429069
He does it when he's in the 4th Dimensional construct.

>>10429066
Earth-kun
Thicc-Earth

>>10429066
Terry

because Terra

alright you FUCKS someone better have the GODDAMN CAT GIF ready to post when this BIG DICK ROCKET blasts OFF

>>10429047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRcPA7Fzebw

Glover reminds me of that dude from The Shining

>>10428898
>>10428902
>>10428904
>>10429018

>>10429069
???

>>10429086
>5'11 vs 6'1

not to ruffle the feathers of authority or anything but FH got stickied, this is perhaps more important no? American space capsule is heading to space!

>>10429107
>not to ruffle the feathers of authority
fucking KEK
you have to go back, reddit nigger

>>10429116
says the frog poster

>>10429117
says the book licking c*ckold

>>10429107
Nah, keep that for DM2.

this one should be good

>>10429136

>>10429141
Kek. Based.

spacex youtube channel says its live in 2 hours, please don't tell me i have the pleasure of it getting launched tonight?

>>10429169
two hours to go, that's right!

>>10429169
livestreams start in like an hour

hey lurkers, show urselves
are you excited for the launch?

>>10428728
melonaid is really good tbqh

>>10429184
shut the fuck up homestar

>>10429184
I just want human to be able into spess again.

NASA TV is replaying the prelaunch news conference
>>10429194
do the russians not count

>>10429196
there's also some good stuff from this conf thingy https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1101588748691660803

>>10429196
The whole effort currently is comparable to sitting on the porch, poking something in your garden from time to time and maybe throwing a rock to the other side of the street once in a blue moon. We are insanely complacent in the face of many potential game-enders for our species.

Is anyone else really interested to see what the cosmonaut on the station right now thinks of the capsule? I'm not sure if any cosmonauts have been involved in the commercial crew program.

>>10429220
russia is a bit spooked, justified or not, about the docking procedure. They only recently signed off on it if you will.
I'm sure the cosmonauts though will be glad they're more room in Soyuz when they fly up; it'll be going from 3 to 2 people per launch

>>10428047
change in topic, but ive read the tented teslas have lots of issues. What about putting it under a tent creates these problems. Personally i dont think its fair how everyone *cough* jews who dont want us to goto space *cough* are hitting elon musk for manufacturing issues yet you never see shit about cars like land rover range rover which have a 30 year span of well documented mechanical and engine problems.

>>10429220
they are confused and scared by the new automatic docking system
they haven't been able to perform the holy rites to bless the box like they can on their soyuz and progress vehicles

>>10428106
whats so great about new glenn, everyone keeps saying its a spacex killer, yet hasnt flown a single orbital mission as yet.

>>10429226

>>10429227
some benefits are the backing of a very rich man, methalox engines, designed for landing from the get-go (F9 up to block 2 or whatever didn't even have legs)

you're right though, until they fly stuff and re-use the 1st NG stage it's mostly speculation

Have you guys seen a live rocket launch in person?

Seen a SpaceX launch (not landing) at KSC. Great experience if you get a chance.

>>10429224
>>10429226
well yeah, they're not used to the cross-checking triple-independent (yet identical) computer system. I'm not sure why, because Dragon has been flying with some version of it since the beginning.

>>10429235
saw some wallops Antares launches from a bridge in Massachusetts at night, those were cool. Could see the stage sep

>>10429227
it's a spacex killer in the same way that starship is going to kill the rest of the launch market:
the specs are good and if it happens it'll change things
>>10429235
as a kid I watched an STS mission go up, but I haven't been back since

shit nigga the pre-launch webcast will be 50 minutes long according to SpaceX!

so the stream starts 35 min from this post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE

>>10429248
yeah no shit, pretty dank right

>>10429253
it better be insprucker hosting.
if it isn't I'll be mad af

>>10429256
Insprucker will be reporting the livestream from inside the Dragon.

He's in the space suit.

https://www.celestialbuddies.com/store/p15/Earth_.html

a cute!

>>10429289
>Elon setup a plushie front to fund his Mars architecture

>>10429291
it is honestly probably about five cents of material and ten cents of labor.
still going to buy one. Jupiter maybe

>>10429225
This only started after his tweet about who owns the media. Before that they couldn't get enough of singing his praises.

God I wish SpaceX would enable live chat on their streams.

>ONE
>BONG

>>10429136

>>10429322
that's a good one

>>10429316
why, so you can watch a bunch of fucking russians shitpost like they're getting paid for it?

>>10429303
thats the fucked up shit, the media is so fucked up theyd rather sink him and kill their chances of chances of making up interplanetary and having a high tech ev future than just shrugging it off all to say "get musk!"

>>10429289

>>10429331
actually made me laugh

LIVE LIVE LIVE

https://youtu.be/2ZL0tbOZYhE

>>10424117
>2:49 AM EST
wanna murder elon ngl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE
STREAM STARTED
>STREAM STARTED
STREAM STARTED
>STREAM STARTED

IT BEGINS

>No comfy SpaceX FM

Scrub it.

>>10429341
HYPE

>>10429341
That's just the NASA live stream.

>>10429326
>Rush Moon cyкa блять

>>10429350
it's the same, check the account

SpaceX cant into 1080p

ITS HAPPENING

>>10429355
the NASA stream is 720p, spacex is just piping it in

boeing on suicide watch

>>10429355
60fps, you spoiled firstworlder.

>>10429357
So no 1080p?
Its like 1999 again

it looks like NASA TV is just rebroadcasting the SpaceX livestream
SpaceX stream is ahead a little bit
also no Insprucker

>flashing green light in the CAA
we /go/

no humans?

Where the fuck is Insprucker?

>>10429370
inside the capsule, he's going to remove russian

>>10429370
sitting in a gaming chair with a HOTAS setup. He actually flies the rocket

Why isn't this a day light launch?!

>>10429375
you try and shift where the ISS is over the earth lol

>>10429367
>No Insprucker

Please fuck my shit up elon

>>10429374
>Insprucker what are you doing?
>DOCKING
>That's impossible.
>No.. it's necessary.

>>10429375
glow in the dark CIA niggers are easier to spot at night

>>10429375
For the Russians. Elon wants them all awake and paying attention.

>>10429369
It's actually not a dummy in the suit, they're lying to you.

>some intern is franticly driving to the control center to stop the launch
>he has realized he accidentally loaded the in flight abort code instead of DM-1

>>10429375
So, that it wouldn't be during night time for me.

AMERICA AMERICA
>AMERICA
AMERICA!

what happens if it blows up on the launch pad

>>10429394
>Falcon 9 booster docks to ISS

>>10429391
It's Elon, escaping the clutches of the SEC and their lapdogs FBI.

>>10429391
Its Elon reveiling himself after launch.

>literal lightning in the back

>>10429381
>>10429370
>>10429367
Daddy Insprucker needs his sleep

>>10429411
SCE TO AUX

>>10429391
>SpaceX supposedly puts a dummy in Dragon 2 for DM1
>Elon Musk mysteriously disappears before launch
>The rocket launches without a hitch
>Dragon docks with the ISS
>The ISS crew enters Dragon to inspect its inside
>The manikin starts moving on its own
>It takes off its helmet
>Its your boy, Musky
>"Suck it, Dennis" Elon says with a shit-eating grin while staring into the ISS cam
>Boeing collapses in on itself