/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10412236
Because now we are aware of the fairy tales people used to believe in back in the day.

>>10412243
So you think the man who invented calculus on a bet and had one of the greatest insight of all time in science did not have the intellectual capabilities to spot a fairytale.

>>10412243
Also. How is theology and philosophy a fairytale?

>>10412236
He also died a virgin

Normies: 1
Geniuses: 0

>>10412271
Will people remember how you did not die a virgin in 300 years? Will anyone know you even existed? Doubt it

to be fair, a lot of what is considered alchemy back in the day was a primitive form of chemical science. they actually discovered a lot of stuff about metals and minerals and would call them weird thing like 'elves wart'

>>10412264
theology is by definition fairy tales

>>10412254
Yes, and it's not his fault.
Some random Ooga Booga who lived in a cave could have been the greatest genius of all time, with a brain of at least x2 the power of Newton's, yet he would probably be wrong about a lot of things, and I would not blame him.
Give both Ooga Booga and Newton enough time, technology, etc.. and I'm sure they would eventually reject their previous theories and propose new ones.

If Newton had been born in our modern society, I'm pretty sure he would realise how Alchemy was silly. But I don't blame him for considering it *at the time*.

>>10412280
Das true

>>10412264
Philosophy definitely isn't. I very much respect Philosophy.

Theology however..

>>10412285
>>10412298

Theology is just reasoning like philosophy and science. However, unlike science, theology is not very empirical. Unlike philosophy, theology is not so wide.

That's it.

>>10412314
Usually, Theology is NOT reasoning, but rather blind faith in random ideas invented by some guys who decided to write a fiction in a desert.
Religious people don't question anything, they accept random fairytales that have been told to them at birth.

Philosophy = Hypothesis
Theology = Dogma

>>10412314
yeah but its reasoning about shit people made up

>>10412236
Well of course, all smart people come to know God at one point or another.

>>10412317
Unsurprisingly, you don't actually know what you're talking about.

>>10412326
How is Theology reasoning then?
Enlighten me.

>>10412331
Just consider:
Theology [math] \neq[/math] religion
There is christian theology but that's not what theology is all about. So you can't reason anything out about god? Theologians think otherwise.

>>10412317
>Usually, Theology is NOT reasoning, but rather blind faith in random ideas invented by some guys who decided to write a fiction in a desert.
>the study of religion is the practice of it

Do you think "theology" is a religion or something? Please try to at least understand what you're talking about before talking about it.

>>10412336
>>10412338

It doesn't bother me that people "consider" the idea. It bothers me when they actually have faith in them, and get triggered when others don't believe in their ideas. It bothers me when they force their children to accept these ideas.
I guess it's just as valid to believe in Santa or the Spaghetti Monster.
If you say "maybe there is a god, but I'm not willing to bet my life on it" then I respect you. But honestly the idea doesn't sound very likely.

What else does Theology have to offer?

Theology does involve reasoning, but it's useless reasoning about ancient fantasy books. Theologans are as useful as people who argue about harry potter on Livejournal

>>10412345
It's more so the science of religion, the study of God/humanity together.

>It bothers me when they actually have faith in them, and get triggered when others don't believe in their ideas. It bothers me when they force their children to accept these ideas.

Well you're talking about religion, not theology. When was the last time you heard of a group of radical theologians on a rampage?

>I guess it's just as valid to believe in Santa or the Spaghetti Monster.
Or gravity or "Dark matter" or "quantum glue". All equally horseshit with no proof.

>What else does Theology have to offer?
>What does the studying of why Humanity believes in god have to offer?

Hmm, maybe there are a bunch of writings out there by theologians telling of how stupid humanity gets when they use their emotions to define the ineffable.

>>10412345
>>10412336
>>10412345
>>10412348

Continuing: >>10412336

There is this thing called by religious people like revealed knowledge or revelation. This is what other call “made up shit”. A theologian may or may not consider this hypothesis. Anyway, he will try to gather as more rational knowledge as he can, contrary to just revelation. And with or without revelation he will try, like any scientist or philosopher, to not lie: this means, to have consistent logic, to not use fallacies, to not reach wrong conclusions, etc. And yes is not only reasoning about god, there is reasoning about religion itself, about what is a belief, about what is faith, about what is bad and good thing... There epistemological problems, metaphysical problems, linguistic problems, moral and ethical problems... There is comparative mythology, history of religion, semiotics of religion, philology of religious texts... "is there a difference between reasoning about god and reasoning about Santa or the Spaghetti monster?" is a theological problem.

But if you are not interested just look other way. If you are football fan you must tolerate others saying that sports are boring, because people have different interests.

>>10412360
>Or gravity or "Dark matter" or "quantum glue". All equally horseshit with no proof.
Dark matter is result and and open problem.
>Quantum glue
Quantum what? What are you referring to?

>>10412360
At least "Dark matter" is an hypothesis that was proposed because of observations and scientific reasoning.
If I HAD to bet my life on one, I'd rather assume the existence than in assuming the existence of a God.

Check >>10412348

By all means we should wonder about reality, but come on..

If you are just studying the nature of humans, why we believe in these ideas, etc.. you might as well call it psychology or sociology.
As the other anon said, studying these ideas is often about as important as studying fiction, no matter how rational you try to be about it.

I do not claim to know the truth about our reality. Although I find it very unlikely, I can't say for sure that gods don't exist, but I wouldn't go as far as to waste my time analysing these ideas.

>>10412382
*the existence of dark matter, I meant to say

>>10412371
What did Theology accomplish so far?

>>10412236
I laughed really loud even though there is no one around. Thank you. You make a good point.

>>10412377
>Dark matter is result and and open problem.
No, it's a theory spawned from a false premise

>Quantum what? What are you referring to?
Oh right, I forgot "Quantum" was a buzzword.

>>10412382

>At least "Dark matter" is an hypothesis that was proposed because of observations and scientific reasoning.

>observations

No

>If I HAD to bet my life on one, I'd rather assume the existence than in assuming the existence of a God.

Jesus fucking christ, once again "theology" is not a religion nor does it require you to believe in a "God".

>As the other anon said, studying these ideas is often about as important as studying fiction, no matter how rational you try to be about it.

Because once again you believe that it's the study of something fictitious. Religions EXIST. People who study religion and have different beliefs surrounding God EXIST. Now why and what the order of it is would be nice to know. Why? Because if you can unify physics and metaphysics then you've pretty much solved every problem on earth related to religion.

>>10412395
Theology is not science. (Ask yourself: why does anything has to accomplish something?) Anyway that is a question that a theologian would respond. I'm not.

>>10412236
REMINDER

>>10412236
maybe his alchemy stuff was an influence from his 'Freemason' contacts?

>>10412416
You don't know what is dark matter nor quantum theory. You don't have really good science and physics foundations. Maybe you don't really know what is theology about. Don't take this observations as personal offenses. Just read and lurk more.

This may seem obvious, but is is not at all: when you think something is true there is a chance you are wrong. Your feeling or your personal-intern insight is not a sufficient condition.

>>10412416
Ok, then what you're saying is that Theology is basically studying different stories of fiction.
Ok, cool. Have fun doing that if that gives any meaning to your life. I mean, it's literature I guess. As long as you don't assume anything.

"Theology begins with the assumption that the divine exists in some form, such as in physical, supernatural, mental, or social realities, and that evidence for and about it may be found via personal spiritual experiences or historical records of such experiences as documented by others." - Wikipedia

Hmm..

>>10412427
Do you have any reference about Dante abstaining from sex?
I'm interested.

>>10412434
>You don't know what is dark matter nor quantum theory.

Nobody knows what the fuck "dark matter" is which is why it's still THEORETICAL. Show me some empirical evidence of "dark matter". There is none. Tell me what "quantum" means and I'll respond to the next statement.

>This may seem obvious, but is is not at all: when you think something is true there is a chance you are wrong. Your feeling or your personal-intern insight is not a sufficient condition.

>They Don't Think It Be Like It Is But It Do

>>10412448
Not him, but there you go.

>>10412448
Also not him.

https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/five-reasons-we-think-dark-matter-exists-a122bd606ba8
http://hosting.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/dm_evidence.htm

Start with those light reads.

>>10412438
>Ok, then what you're saying is that Theology is basically studying different stories of fiction.

Like a historiographer is to a historian. More correct.

>Ok, cool. Have fun doing that if that gives any meaning to your life. I mean, it's literature I guess. As long as you don't assume anything.
I'm pretty sure that in order to properly study anything you can't make bias assumptions but thanks for the advice champ.

>"Theology begins with the assumption that the divine exists in some form, such as in physical, supernatural, mental, or social realities, and that evidence for and about it may be found via personal spiritual experiences or historical records of such experiences as documented by others." - Wikipedia

>Wikipedia

>physical

>in some form

Wow, so it's still not a belief in god.

>>10412459
Let me just ask you, do you believe in god(s)?

Knowing the answer to this question could explain a lot.

>>10412454
"discrete quantity"
Now it would be nice if they defined energy.
"the law of conservation of energy states that energy can be converted in form, but not created or destroyed".
And somehow that translates into it being a "quantity". Fucking quacks, I swear.

>>10412458
>-we-think-dark-matter-exists

stopped reading right there and I'm extremely disappointed in your 3 second google search.

>>10412459
so.. are there any freemason/illuminati out there willing to come forth and settle this? or is it indeed all bullshit?...

>>10412464
God cannot be reified by a human being. An all knowing omnipotence would be incomprehensible to something that thinks.

>>10412472
>are there any freemason/illuminati out there willing to come forth and settle this?
A theologian would study those secularized metaphysics and see if it were indeed bullshit. (protip: they are complete bullshit)

>>10412468
See? There's your problem.
You would rather argue that you are right instead of trying to read more about the subject and actually learn.

>>10412474
But the belief in one would not be incomprehensible, and that's what I asked.

>>10412448
>They Don't Think It Be Like It Is But It Do
Very interesting meme. Many /sci/fags are like "arguing over semantics is mental onanism". But i think words are interesting too. I will say it again: people have different interests. People read different things, some read just novels, some just manga or some just springer math. If you like science you must tolerate people that say that science is boring. Same with theology or with arts or sports because, saying it for third time, people have different interests.

>>10412480
hey isn't that a picture of the dude 'Templars' father worshiped?

>>10412468
Is that Finn & Alonso or ye olde Sears?

>>10412338
That just sounds like Philosophy to me friend. None of us are convinced.

>>10412290
>I'm pretty sure he would realise how Alchemy

The root meaning of the word Alchemy is "the way of egypt", which to this day contains information and designs that rival or surpass *at this time*. Whether it is an astrological calendar extended past 10,000 years (ice age) or the speed of light in a vacuum, or the diameter of the earth...or other such things.

Say...what IS the current year anyway?...

https://youtu.be/2fS9ixfQ_no

https://youtu.be/L777RhL_Fz4

>>10412499
YES... its the 'secret father' with the 'secret name' Jesus keeps referring to thru-out the gnostic texts.. we call him 'Baphomet' but enlightened Christians call him daddy.

>>10412522
>What is the age of the universe.

About 13.799±0.021 billion (10e9) years

>>10412526
Baphomet is just a nice picture about duality. Ying yang with more visual effect.

>>10412528
or maybe thats just what the secret societies want you to believe..

>>10412527

Eat breakfast.

>>10412539
can I get that super-sized with fries?

>>10412539
b-but it's 5 AM T-T

>>10412537
yeh.. I can't imagine why templar-knights would risk their lives to worship a simple picture about duality..

>>10412584
but it would still be a lot smarter than the dumb-ass experts on this thread....

>>10412236
he spent most of his time in religion

>>10412427
Dude it lubes your bones

>>10412236
You sound illiterate and calling Newton the greatest mind of any time confirms this.

>>10412442
he had wife and kids.

>>10413057
I meant out of marriage... It was pretty common in those times.

>>10412427

But they must have masturbated now and then ... cause sometimes you just GOTTA cum, else it consumes all your brain

saving thread action engaged

>>10412236
ishaak bin newtoni was a muslim

>>10412474
Incomprehensible, but necessarily not impervious to summary. More to the point is whether any all-inclusive power + knowledge is even coherent, as a concept. Mind, in the defining sense, depends for its existence on identity, or boundary between a self and a setting, on the existence of otherness. This begs a question best put in Cartesian terms: Is it possible to think unless there is a something-else to think about? Who knows? What I do know is that the pure solipsism any omnipotent deity would be subject to does not seem like a pleasant state of affairs, from my point of view.

>>10416326
That deity is surely not experiencing the world as you do there is no way to know what it is subjected to