/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10403444
This happens to all of these "prodigies" they always do something like quantum gravity, hep theory, or some obscure area of pure math

>Loop Quantum Gravity
meme
>Fussball
meme
>tutor
meme

>>10403444
>tfw you're autistic but not one of the "smart" ones.

>>10403444
>tfw when a literal Autist has a gf and an apartment and you don't.

>>10403454

that's so nobody notices they are completely irrelevant

Jacob Barnett is wasting his intelligence on physics. What he should be doing instead is working for MIRI in order to prevent AI from killing us all.

>>10403444
>He has a girlfriend
over the fucking line

Google Scholar shows he has 3 papers, 1 of them on arxiv, with 11 citations in total. That's not really prodigy tier.

>>10403444
Was thinking the exact same thing OP. That dirty crank Lee Smolin got his hooks in and now a promising career is fucked.

>>10403488
Cut the kid some slack, he's doing his PhD at 20.

>go to japan
>get jap gf
>do physics like a boss

based jake-o.

>>10403444
>Imagine having talent like this and then wasting it on literal meme theory.
Let's be clear. There absolutely is no talent with this kid. Rich parents and having resources opened this kids door, not his intellect. Anything the "autism" did for him was give him affirmative action points.
Now, I will dismantle this snot nosed brat's update.

Since the retard failed any introduction, this is the specimen in question.
http://theplaidzebra.com/jacob-is-17-years-old-autistic-and-on-his-way-to-getting-a-phd-in-theoretical-physics/

>Here is an update on Jacob.
First, if you ever here the name's Jacob or David, immediately suspect them being Jewish. Barnett is a common Jewish name. The two of them combined show that he is likely a Jew, and, no not that there is any conspiracy, but Jews help other Jews out and there is social benefit to being one.
>returned to Perimeter from working at Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology this year
So? This is free media coverage for all of them. Helping some idiot savant out gets them free media coverage.
>He has a girlfriend and an apartment!
Then it means he isn't that intelligent and his mother parents are footing the bill for the latter or he is was given some autism bux from the education institutions he was working for.
>He is still doing his research in Loop Quantum Gravity at Perimeter Institute
Muh parameter!
Superfluous.
In other words, they got some dolt able to do math problems for them, and sit back and collect the free media coverage from this drooling savant.
>Some of the things he has been also up to are scuba diving, becoming a champion Fussball player and arial yoga.
Nice to have money, isn't it?
>Jacob currently tutors a limited number of people and Kristine teaches a limited number of students the Spark Method.
"d-da, diyouuuuuui daaaa i dtcan heltpppp people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
This is just to feel good to gain approval from brainlets.

Anyone who likes him can go to hell.

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>>10403625
Wow, that's a very bitter and jealous post.

>>10403444
>imagine having talent like this
imagine being such a brainlet that you think this is talent.

>>10403633
>valid critique
>muh jealousy!
It's a waste of resources to give this piece of shit anything. There are many 150+ IQ men who are given nothing who have to fight for every opportunity in life. You subsidized me and gave me connections like this kid had— and there would be no contest, I'd blow him out of the water in every metric except being a good obedient drone hidden-figure-tier buttboy for his superiors. Instead, intelligent people are given nothing and expected to fight tooth and nail against vastly incompetent people, literal retards in the case of this guy and we're expected to play nice. Look at Chris Langan (verified IQ of 200). His entire talent went to complete waste because the university fucked him out of his scholarship and he had to walk to college 15 miles in the snow before calling it quits. Nobody gave him a damned cent. Propping this kid up and supporting him isn't cute. It is dysgenic and disgusting and I will not give him any social esteem.

>>10403684
Your critique wasn't constructive. It read like a /pol/ shill screeching about jews and complaining about wealthy people having it better than you.

>>10403705
/pol/ say the Jews control everything. I do not. I said both these factors gave him favorable social advantage and subsidies.

>>10403684
Chris Langan is a liar who failed to meet the entrance standards for the mega society first time around and submitted the test under a different name the second time around, then he spent the rest of his life devoted to Philosophy woo.

In contrast Barnett has actually made a point to study Physics to PhD level despite being a kid.

>>10403719
It's obvious that more resources would allow a person to achieve more, but if you were in his position, and suppose you did "blow him out the water" should I disregard you based on social advantage and subsidies?

>>10403743
>Chris Langan is a liar who failed to meet the entrance standards for the mega society first time around and submitted the test under a different name the second time around, then he spent the rest of his life devoted to Philosophy woo.
His IQ tests have been repeated a number of times.
The fact that he hasn't made anything out of himself was precisely my point, brainlet.
>In contrast Barnett has actually made a point to study Physics to PhD level despite being a kid.
You mean, his condition and his parents opened doors for him to make it possible and everyone funded him along the way? You know there are many intelligent kids who want to go to college early, who drop out and apply for GEDs and take the SATs and are basically rejected until they are 17? There is a reason why the really young college student meme is almost totally limited to 'disabled persons' and minorities. Regardless, the decision to go to college early and "making a point to do something", itself isn't indicative of intelligence but rather vanity and wanting to do something for social acclaim and out of temporal expediency. It's arose from social reinforcements and pats on little Jakey's back telling him he was really smart boy, and calls on his parents behalf. Jacob the joke.

>>10403625
>>10403684
>>10403780
incredibly misanthropic but not wrong

>>10403780
>His IQ tests have been repeated a number of times.
You would repeat them if you failed them lmao. Look it up, He first took the test under a pseudonym, Eric Hart if I remember right and flunked it, then re-tested.

>The fact that he hasn't made anything out of himself was precisely my point, brainlet.
He didn't because he couldn't.

>You mean, his condition and his parents opened doors for him to make it possible and everyone funded him along the way?
You're jealous that he's autistic? If your parents have enough cash, or you pull out a student loan you have more than enough financially to do what he's doing.

>You know there are many intelligent kids who want to go to college early, who drop out and apply for GEDs and take the SATs and are basically rejected until they are 17?
Can't be too bright if they're dropping out of school to take those exams.

>There is a reason why the really young college student meme is almost totally limited to 'disabled persons' and minorities.
He got noticed because he was intellectually exceptional. Then he went on to fuflill expectations lmao. There's nothing wrong with that. You're literally just bitter that nobody noticed your talents in the same way, the harsh reality of that is you probably weren't all that impressive to begin with.

>itself isn't indicative of intelligence but rather vanity and wanting to do something for social acclaim and out of temporal expediency. It's arose from social reinforcements and pats on little Jakey's back telling him he was really smart boy, and calls on his parents behalf. Jacob the joke.
Literally just jealous. You have no idea how pathetic you sound.

>>10403480
MIRI is the perfect example of a place for smart people to waste their time and potential while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
All the decision theory autism they spent years agonizing over is of less significance than Gwern's neural-net waifu generator

>>10403821
>You would repeat them if you failed them lmao. Look it up, He first took the test under a pseudonym, Eric Hart if I remember right and flunked it, then re-tested.
Internet conspiracy theory, which does not indicate test drilling. An example of an IQ fraud would be Rick Rosner.
Langan has taken the WAIS and other tests administered on the spot by psychologists hired by ABC news and others which verified his IQ met the highest possible score.
>You're jealous that he's autistic? If your parents have enough cash, or you pull out a student loan you have more than enough financially to do what he's doing.
No. I'm upset that it is considered a factor in admitting him to these institutions, and that it benefits him; as these institutions Whereas healthy people receive nothing, and in many cases are penalized for being 'normal', he not only gets affirmative action points when it comes to university quotas, and is favored simply because he is a freak they can put on display. Life is a zero sum game, for him to have gotten in, means someone potentially more talented missed out.
>Can't be too bright if they're dropping out of school to take those exams.
You see the absurdity of the statement? You offered early entrance as an example of intelligence, and now say intelligent people who are otherwise healthy should be precluded from the process? This is what some neurotypical intelligent white male student wanted to go to college early would have to do. Yet, for the same act, he isn't that intelligent and shouldn't be admitted early, yet because Mr. Drooling Autist and his parents think he is really smart wants to, then by God, give him the keys to the university!
>He got noticed because he was intellectually exceptional. Then he went on to fuflill expectations lmao.
He was noticed because he was autistic, and his parents and others in his life marketed him the right way, and inflated him with notions of grandiosity.

>>10403821
>Literally just jealous. You have no idea how pathetic you sound.
Not an argument.

>>10403444
idiot savant
vs
>>10403627
chad genius

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>>10403625
>Let's be clear. There absolutely is no talent with this kid

His IQ is 170.

>>10403862
Do you have any evidence that superintelligent AI will be totally safe and won't be an existential risk?

>>10403909
>langan still hasn't produced a single thing of worth or contributed to any field in existence

>>10403867
>Internet conspiracy theory
No it isn't lmao, the people behind the Mega Society flat out said he did.

>Langan has taken the WAIS and other tests administered on the spot by psychologists hired by ABC news and others which verified his IQ met the highest possible score.
Sure, he's a smart guy. Apparently not smart enough to score well in a high-range test the first time around though.

>No. I'm upset that it is considered a factor in admitting him to these institutions
Overcoming a disability to do well is a pretty impressive thing. Luck is always a factor, and he fulfilled the promise anyway achieveing his Bachelors with ease, Masters with ease at Perimeter (One of the top institutions in the world) and he's doing his PhD at 20 years old. It's all incredibly impressive stuff.

>Whereas healthy people receive nothing
He got admitted early into a mid-range University on the basis of talent people noticed early. Ordinary trajectories for people without disabilities usually involve going to the International Mathematical Olympiad and qualifying to do their Bachelors at top Universities. Not really a huge step backwards from Barnett.

>Life is a zero sum game, for him to have gotten in, means someone potentially more talented missed out.
Missed out on his position at a mid-range uni? Where he actually excelled in his classes? What a tragedy.

>You see the absurdity of the statement? You offered early entrance as an example of intelligence
Someone noticing your talent and putting you forward for College-level mathematics IS an example of intelligence. Taking it into your own hands with absolutely no guarantee of success when the alternative is arguably even MORE prestigious is retarded.

>and now say intelligent people who are otherwise healthy should be precluded from the process?
If you're too much of a brainlet to read what I wrote then don't even bother replying lmao.

>>10403867
>He was noticed because he was autistic
No, he was noticed because he was doing College level math at 8. Same reason Terry Tao got noticed.

>>10403909
Why all big name physicists think they are qualified to give opinions on everything

>>10403955
>professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

>>10403684
What are the odds this is Langan himself shitposting this Thread up because he's jealous of that kid?

Anyways, Jacob is definetely a very, very smart person. Not just "smartest guy in class"-smart, but more like "smartest dude in your home state"-smart.

>>10403964
>Anyways, Jacob is definetely a very, very smart person. Not just "smartest guy in class"-smart, but more like "smartest dude in your home state"-smart.

>>10403964
Hi Jacob

I could season an entire beef loin with the amount of salt in this thread woof

>>10403973
IQ of 170 is literally defined as the smartest person in 1 million.

He should be doing group theory or algebraic geometry desu senpai. Unless he is shit at abstraction and has really good physical intuition. So many great minds are wasted on the natural sciences, its a shame. We could really use more mathematicians.

>>10404003
>. So many great minds are wasted on purely abstract mathematics, its a shame
ftfy

>>10404003
He should be studying M-Theory and not wasting his time with Smolin and the rest of the crank community.

>>10403488
How many papers had you published when you were 20?

>>10403625
You're not really wrong, but you could be less salty.

>>10403918
No, the problem AI alignment is very real and of existential importance, but their attempt to solve it is just doomed from the start.
They are fumbling around in the dark. The problem is technological, and will require an experimental and hands-on approach. It will require DATA.
There will be no FOOM with a perfectly crafted seed AI. Methods for controlling AI will be developed iteratively, by real engineers with real technical skills.

>>10404012
What does the M stand for?

>>10404222
For M-Theory

>>10404222
Monster, Mad, Mega, Master.

>>10403980
>living in a state with only 1 million people
fuck off wyomingfag

>>10404222
Mega Milk

>quantum gravity
When will discussion of this /x/-tier trash be a bannable offense

>>10404222
>>10404231
Mega Mommy

>>10404050
I published a math paper successfully when I was 17 and thought I was the smartest person ever to live. Looking back now it's so obviously crackpot garbage because I didn't understand the subject nearly deep enough. I merely rediscovered a novel aproach and barely scratched the surface of something done comprehensively in the 90s, producing no meaningful results. To my eternal fortune I had the foresight to publish it under a pseudonym so the teenage embarrassment isn't tied to me permanently.
Looking back, I really could have leveraged that with press and moron normies. If I was less self aware and my parents were rich Jews I could have bullshited the press for free gibs, in the same way the "genius computer black kid" gets national coverage for knowing how to assemble a PC.
My point is, this guy is doing things he barely understands and he's milking the normies that understand it even less. He's a physicist in the same way Ahmed the clock engineer is an EE genius and yet Ahmed got a full ride to MIT.

How do you even approach that ethically? You can con the majority in order to get free rides and "genius cred" for the price of literally lying and being laughed at by actual experts behind closed doors. I encounter "genius" IPhO students every year and while they cruise through uni grades-wise, their understanding and research is median at best and the fact they grinded through a billion highschool "gotchas" and learned calculus a year early brings them zero respect amongst peers, but would bring them loads of opportunities if you marketed it in a right way.

>>10404222
Muscles.

>>10404257
Based

>>10403918
So you have any evidence a super intelligent AI will exist at any point In the near future?

>>10404003
>He should be doing group theory
Why group theory of all the things you could pick?
Nobody cares about group theory anymore except the geometrytards

>>10403444
isn't Perimeter a fake institute that's just a front for social justice advocacy? I mean they have Chanda Smollett-Weinstein on staff

>>10404254
If it's under a pseudonym then it shouldn't be a problem to show us the paper right? I'm fairly skeptical.

Hey /sci/

Take the next thing that I say as theoretically.

Can I raise a girl to be a total genius? Assume of course her genetics is general are average or above average overall.

Keep in mind this would be planned from before her birth with expertly designed lesson plans. All for one goal. For her to use her intelligence to make me immortal.

>>10404775
Well, first of all let's get one thing out of way.
Think about it logically...

>>10403444
OIST!?! I was an exchange to a neighbor university

>>10404222
Don't listen to the others. It stands for "meme".

>>10404854
you can't raise anybody to be a genius. what the fuck are you thinking.

>>10403980
And IQ is not reliable above 160, and only loosely so at that point.

>>10404254

>if I had rich Jew parents

Would the plan work with rich Armenian parents too? Asking for a friend

> Assuming string theory is not the biggest """""physics"""""" meme ever

>>10403480
that's a cool logo

>>10403625
>Barnett is a common Jewish name.

>>10403625
holy shit, that was a cope for the ages

>>10403625
Be butthurt somewhere else brainlet

>>10404225
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>>10404918
Not far-off, but I raise your shitposting with real-life shitposting. M-Theory is said to stand for "Magic/Mystery" according to Edward Witten.

>>10404863
I-I don't get it

>>10403480
>retards design rules so AI doesn't go rogue
Never mind the guy that just ignores your rules and creates the killer AI

>>10403444
>LQG
What a brainlet. Yo, yukari go beat some senss into that fagtron, he has office near you.

>>10403444
Being a child prodigy is no different than having a growth spurt as a kid. Doesn't mean you're not going to be a manlet when you grow up.

>>10403923
>doing his PhD at 20 years old. It's all incredibly impressive stuff.
Not that impressive. Most people start a PhD at 22 or 23. I don't know how it works in burgerstan but that's how it is in the commonwealth.

>>10403444
that fussball is that table football right? if yes than its called foosball

>>10403444
>scuba diving
>arial yoga
>and foosball
What a fucking tryhard lmao

>>10403444
If he's so smart why didn't he buy chainlink

My impression of Jacob from the videos of him when he was younger, was that he had an excellent memory and excellent calculation ability. But these aren't really the qualities that will make you a great scientist. They are helpful for sure, but they are only tools.

Compare to Einstein, who derived a novel proof of Pythagoras' theorem as a child. Something like that is an very good predictor of real scientific ability.

I think people like Jacob use their mental abilities to accelerate very fast through childhood/teenage years, but taper off rather quickly. A good memory doesn't help you much when you are in unexplored territory.

Like Andrew Wiles said
>I think it’s bad to have too good a memory if you want to be a mathematician

>>10404854
No

>>10407688
He started it at 15, which is when he recieved his Masters, I think. He's spent 5 years on his PhD. Honestly that's a little longer than average for Europe.

>>10403444
Small question here. Is Jacob Barnett's limbic system in order? Or, is he able to experience emotions?

>>10403625
Based and redpilled.

Fuck me! Feels good to be Jewish!

>>10403627
KASPAROV BTFO BY EPIC B A N T Z