/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10394761
It also creates shitposts

Ok give one reason to believe that besides the fact that you want it to.

>>10394764
I don't want you to believe. I don't want you to believe in anything. I want you to stop believing. I want you to start seeking. I want you to know. Know the answer. Know the facts. Know the truth.

>>10394773
And you say that pretending to have authority but you can't even explain HOW to seek "answers."

You only created fecal matter so far

>>10394782
>And you say that pretending to have authority

I have no authority over anything or anyone. You are projecting your cluelessness and thinking i have any kind of authority.

>>10394791
So why are you essentially providing me with no real information?

>>10394793
Logic moves to the very extreme - life never. That's how logic misses life. Logic has the tendency to reach to a conclusion - life is never concluding.

Life has no conclusion. It goes on and on and on without any conclusion; it is without any beginning and without any end, it is always in the middle, it is always in the present, it is an on-going process. That's how a logical mind becomes by and by dead; that's how logic becomes its own downfall. Don't conclude. Live without conclusion. That is the only way to live because only then do you live in the middle and the middle is the balance.

Life is a balance between opposites, it never comes to an end. The balance goes on and on, it is eternal. A man of understanding never comes to any conclusions, he cannot. When life itself is non-conclusive how can a wise man be conclusive?

Logic is a very small thing, life is vast. Logic is utilitarian, it is an invention of man. Life is non-utilitarian, it is not an invention of man; on the contrary, man is life's invention. Logic is one-dimensional, life is multidimensional. But for thousands of years man has been conditioned to believe that logic and life are synonymous.

>>10394809
It's a shame that you really don't have anything to contribute.

That's called deception my friend. You have reached the conclusion to not reach any other conclusions but the one which you settled on.

Embedded of the now is that there was a past and will be a future.

You don't really know what life is. That doesn't mean it's beyond knowing.

Anybody who doesn't know what they are doing will get trapped in a puzzle that keeps getting more complicated until they eventually give up because it becomes too hard for them.

But don't worry about it too much, or... idk. Lol.

>>10394809
But you do make some good points.

>>10394812
>It's a shame that you really don't have anything to contribute.

What were you looking for?

>>10394823
I got from you what I was really looking for.

Although for conversation sake I was looking for something useful.

>>10394826
I think you wanted me to PROVE It, right? With logic and equations?

>>10394761
It's not that you are wrong...
You are wrong, thinking you could stuff eternal truths into a scientific mind. Mand, these people here partly couldn't even say out loud what you just posted here without being ridiculed or even kicked out of their jobs somehow.

Listen, if there is ONE thing in this world that does not matter, it is truth.

>>10394761
Better yet there is no matter first Argument
P1 .The mind exists
P1 .the mind has the property that if exists in a possible solipcist world .
P3 .Matter in any arrangements doesn't have this property
Therefore the mind is immaterial
Then we go to
P1 .the mind exists
P2.the mind is immaterial
P3. Substance dualism is false
Therefore all there is that substance which creates the mind (ideas )
Second Argument
P1 .If a term is found in a conclusion but not a premise the Argument is a non sequitur
P2 .all a priori principles are immaterial
Conclusion 1 a material conclusion cannot be made out of immaterial principles (the ego ,platonic forms ,logic etc )
P1. everything which exists has a explanation for its existence which isn't a non sequitur (par )
P2 .the outside world exists
P3.all explanations are immaterial (as of Conclusion 1 )
Conclusion : therefore the outside world is immaterial as that is the only way it has a explain for its existence

>>10394849
>I think you wanted me to PROVE It, right? With logic and equations?
>>10394853
>Listen, if there is ONE thing in this world that does not matter, it is truth.

What the fuck. This is the fucking science board. Go to /x/.

>>10394857

>>10394853
Many have tried to give a definition for truth. What is truth? Man has pondered over it from many aspects. What is truth? What do we mean by "truth"?

Science regards facts as truth, and this definition is widely accepted today. Science says: a fact is truth. A fact is that which can be tested and checked experimentally, for which there is proof in the material world.

Suppose I raise my hand and only one person out of so many sitting here says that he sees my raised hand and the rest of you do not see it. Science will say that person is dreaming, because he has no other evidence. It is not a fact, otherwise the other people who are present would have seen the raised hand. It must be a dream. Dreams are personal, facts are collective.

A table in your room can be seen by everyone, agreed to by everyone, but if you say that God is present in your room they will say, "You may be seeing him, but we do not. You must be imagining things, you must be dreaming."

It is very interesting that it is not possible to share dreams. Two persons cannot see the same dream, or can they? It has not happened yet! No partnership, no friendship is possible in dreams, dreams are always personal. For science, that which is personal is a dream not a fact, and that which is collective is a fact. For science, truth is defined as that which is a fact.

>>10394875
The Upanishads have no objection to this definition, Eastern wisdom has no objection to this definition. But Eastern wisdom raises a deeper question, one which is unanswerable by science. Eastern wisdom says: "We accept that the objectively present phenomenon is truth. But what is present today may be absent tomorrow and what was absent yesterday may be present today. In the East we call only that phenomenon which is never absent a truth. When it is eternal, we call it truth - the rest we call simply a fact."

Eastern wisdom makes three divisions: a dream is that which belongs to the imagination of one individual; a fact is that which is a collective experience; truth is that which is eternal. Because a fact does not always remain a fact.. Yesterday you were young and everybody witnessed it; today you are not young. What happened to truth? And if truth can change like that over a period of ten years, then the difference between this truth and a dream which continues the whole night and changes over a span of ten hours is only one of time.

>>10394857
>Better yet there is no matter
Go without food for a couple of days.

>>10394879
>Implying food is matter
Beg the question more faggot

>>10394883
You are having fun with ad nauseam.

>>10394875
Truth is that property we apply to objectively correct statements .No pragmatism please

>>10394884
???????
I posted twice and they were posts with different substance and you didn't even address my Arguments whats wrong with you ?

>>10394860
You are as mean as you are stupid obviously.

Thank god, people like you got no power. Thank god, people like you make your own life hell.
You are literally uncapable of philosophical work because you fucked your own brain into a condition that forbids you to feel intelligent as long as you didn't read enough thoughts of OTHERS.

Honestly, sitting here, most likely tousands of miles away from you, I find peace in the thought that you are very likely an unbearable, overweight,atheist, leftist piece of "gets no woman".

Lol. People like you to this day complain how sex is divided unfairly, how too many stupid assholes were born while your kind of intelligence seems to die out.
I wonder why. Please die. Pls do not fabricate babies, I am sure you wouldn't not harm them. You'd just say to yourself: "empirically spoken, the infant will not remember what I do to it now AND noone else knows. therefore I can RAPE the baby."

Now fuck you and go back to that isolated cell that is your SHIT LIFE.

>>10394764
Consciousness collapses the wavefunction.
Wavefunction collapse creates matter.

>>10394911
You are projecting yourself very hard bro. I believe in God more than you do.

>>10394916
Don't be too confident even if lol. You DON'T know everything boy.

>>10394911
And also, shut up.

>>10394911
Idiot. Fucking idiot. Dumb. Useless. Futile. Stupid. Bad. Post.

Fucking dumby. Lol.

>>10394875
I like the way you talk.
I understand the way you think.

Let me just let that sink in: Everything in world is how you perceive it, everything you touch and feel, smell and hear, all is simulated to you, individually, by your brain.

Every information you can have is made by these other brains with the exact same capabilities as your own, who did the same things as you and allways worked with the shared information they get from the surface that the universe really is. You are not stupid; it is just that your capabilies are very limited because you can only look at directions that are predefined by what your body can do.

There is no real deal. We can not know if anything is there or not. This life is you, the universe is what your brain creates for you from what is there. Do we know that we know all that is there if we can not even see it all? I doubt it.
Example: CIA can create negative images of your private facilities just by letting currents flow through your sockets and calculating the reflux. I just told you, so you can grasp the topic, while most of the world still thinks about wiretapping and fedora wearing guys underneath street lights in the rain at night.

What is reality , Al?

>>10394926
>>10394930
>>10394932
Triggered, how I don't care for your personal opinion because I think these thought patterns you have are dangerous in the hands of the stupid?

>>10394948
You've judged yourself buddy, not me.

>>10394948
Are you getting paid to distribute evil? It almost seems like your job.

>I like the way you talk.
>I understand the way you think.

I just copied and pasted shit. This is said by OSHO, not me. So is this>>10394809

>>10394953
Well if youre intending to put me on your payroll, find out where I live and send me a letter.
I'd do it then, because if you succeded, I'd be scared. Still, though, it would be chosing the lesser evil, so no, I'm in the business of the lesser evil :D

Who takes this /x/ shit seriously?

>>10394958
You're a hypocrite and you are very far from the truth and my associate is telling me to tell you to fuck off.

>>10394911
>You are literally uncapable of philosophical work

I avoid philosophy because it is playing with shadows, thoughts, speculation. And you can go on playing infinitely, ad infinitum, ad nauseam; there is no end to it. One word creates another word, one theory creates another theory, and you can go on and on and on. In five thousand years much philosophy has existed in the world, and to no purpose at all.

A philosopher thinking about truth is just like a blind man thinking about light. If you have eyes, you don't think about light, you see it. Seeing is a totally different process; it is a byproduct of meditation.

The way of philosophy does not go with truth at all. It is just rational gymnastics. So one philosopher can argue against another philosopher, and they go on arguing for centuries, but they have not come to agreement on a single point. Philosophy is the worst wastage of human intelligence that is possible. When I say I am not a philosopher, I simply mean that my approach towards reality is not through the head, it is through the heart.

>>10394958
I'm giving empathy to you because my associate is telling me you're mentally ill.

Have a good one, if something bad magically happens to you it's because you pissed her off but I don't think that will happen because she understands your ignorance I guess?

Fuck it I don't know.

Fuck. Lmao.

Lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR65v4fDqOc

>>10394965
Well, tell him he doesn't have to be mean.
Tell him you just realised your life was a giant shitpile and you couldn't take it anymore and book a flight to Honolulu to live beyond tribesmen and do the Luau all night long to a coconut you will find and name Roxanne.

>>10394976
... magic is allways countered by equal measures but better. If you want to bring up a confrontation over your low self esteem here, go on. But please don't be disappointed if your friend ends up dead beacause someone decided to create some distructive "magical" interference right in her hypothalamus!

>>10394961
People with a brain not materialist P zombies

>>10394992
But....according to you, the mind is independent of the “materialist” brain. You must be a troll. Glad I caught that obvious contradiction.

>>10394991
I was wondering if you were just stressed or something but I see she was right about the mentally ill part.

Anyways, I don't want to be rude to you dude. Have a good day. Don't be rude to me (because you are being so.) She loves to resist people by giving them what they give her.

Anyways, she's not talking to me right now, probably because I was a dick to you or probably because I told you to fuck off or I said something wrong. So I'll admit you are a good person and don't feel bad about anything. I hope you DO have a good day and nothing goes wrong.

Please don't be so rude to me, you are a bit aggressive.

Have a great day dude and keep being yourself because you are alright!

Sorry.

Lol.

>>10395007
Allright, I'm sorry too in that case.
I am glad a war could be prevented.

>>10395000
I just tried to reach a materialist audience no need to pick low hanging fruit

>>10394857
Materialists btfo.

>>10395031
It been that way for more then 200 hundred years anyone who takes materialists like dennet and Carroll are braindead

>>10395038
Idealism has been dead for two hundred years. Anyone that “takes idealists” ia braindead.

>>10395025
You are low-hanging fruit. If you think your mind isn’t material, shoot yourself in the head. You’ll suffer no ill effects since there’s no causal relationship between neurons and the mind.

>>10395054
>Is that a Argument I see ?
Whats that supposed to mean ? Even as a materialist you know that thoughts can influence emotions and other thoughts .Then if my Argument are sound and we are all in a larger mind then we and all our actions are thoughts so if I kill myself (thought in cosmic consciousness' mind ) then it can influence my life (thought in cosmic consciousness' mind )

Nothing that you said has anything to do with idealism

>>10395062
>Even as a materialist you know that thoughts can influence emotions and other thoughts .

Thoughts are material chains of action potentials.

>Then if my Argument are sound and we are all in a larger mind

We aren’t.

>then we and all our actions are thoughts so if I kill myself (thought in cosmic consciousness' mind ) then it can influence my life (thought in cosmic consciousness' mind )

Just change your thoughts, silly. It’ll magically make you immortal.

>Nothing that you said has anything to do with idealism

Wrong.

>>10394761
I just love it when retards drop posts like this one.

>>10395068
>Thoughts are material chains of action potentials

How are you going to respond to this if "thoughts don't influence other thoughts "
Because if you respond to this then your earlier thought of writing this will influence your thought of writing the response .
>We aren't
Address my Arguments for why we are please
>Just change your thoughts silly
Yes my thoughts to not be dead I'd have to change gods thoughts how do I do that ?

>>10394974
And you assert that Philosophy is X through what ? empiricism?a Argument? Personal experience?

>No use at all
Ah so you seem to be a Pragmatist well thats a self defeating position then since if Philosophy is useless why bother being a Pragmatist (philosophical position)

>>10395100
Simple consciousness = animals or plants
Simple consciousness + self consciousness = humams
Cosmic consciousness = enlightenment
>>10395323
I don't even think you are content with the idea that love is everything.

>>10394879

Its Anglo vulgarity aside, this argument is quite damning of Matter proper because it insists on it being as fungible on a practical level as it is on its essential level.

>>10394761
So does my asshole (solid, liquid, gas)

>>10395523
This is wrong. Your anal is outlet is not Pure consciousness and it excretes matter.

It doesn't create. It excretes matter.

Pure consciousness creates planets.

>>10395554
Clearly you don't know my asshole

>>10394761
>Pure faggotry creates shitposts
FTFY

>>10394761
There is no such thing as solid matter. Those are waves interpreted as solid when viewed at a certain space acceleration rate (time). Pure conciousness is everything and nothing.
>>10394764
Because being stuck in a cult of science wastes your potential contribution to me.
>>everyotheranon
Study the shit out of metaphysics

>>10397967
Metaphysics is for Chad ,would really like to see Aristotelian metaphysics back in science Alot more

The absolute state of this thread jesus christ, you guys might not be smart but you’re very entertaining

>>10398232
Are you conscious or a zombie that acts just like it's conscious ? How can I know which one you are under materialism .While you are at it solve the hard problem of consciousness and the von Neumann chain without a Idealist /cosmic consciousness solution go on mate