/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10390850
There were never slaves in the united states.

I think that conspiracy theories have been exploding a lot recently because of the absurdly massive amount of youtube videos pumped out on the daily by conspiracy nuts. Once somebody starts going down that rabbit hole they'll start thinking the moon landing is fake, Atlantas ghosts are in psychic contact with modern people, and the ghosts of aliens are friends with bigfoot.

Numbers have an end. Question your teachers, children! They bear false witness to lead you astray.

>>10390850
All history is fake. The world is only 20 hours old.

Works well because it appeals to resentment. Resentment toward the government. Resentment toward Boomers. Resentment that life isn't as good as futurist predictions said it would be.
It's as if the Giant Leap should have been so undeniable that it's easier for some to disbelieve the fact of the event itself.

>>10390850
It completely baffles me how there are still so many people in 2019 that are convinced they happened. The moon landing(s) have turned into a religious event for many, that's the only way I can explain it.

They are so, so absurd that it's comedy gold, but intelligent people still take them very seriously and I cannot get my head around it - it's like believing thunderbirds is real, they're that bad.

If you could live forever, how many years would it take of not putting men on the moon again before you find it fishy? We're nearing 50 years now.

>>10391077
You're an idiot and everyone is laughing at you.

>>10391077
>This idiot believes that the Moon is real
That brainwashing must've been good. The Moon as we currently see it in the night sky is a hoax since 1846.

do they? or is it just overrepresented? you don't see people post "I believe the moon landing is real" so I'm sure it's just a loud minority like everything in life. just like kids weren't actually eating tide pods until it became a viral sensation.

>>10390862
This. Mindless impressionable zoomers are growing up in an environment where you can cherry pick "alternative facts" from mass connected schizos, contrarians and the ever present trole.

It's a sad trend, specially where their stupidity carries irl consequences like anti-vaxx moms and 19th century disease outbreaks.

It was half a century ago. Does it actually matter now if it was real or not? We could land a probe every week on the moon with current technology if we wanted but there's no real point. The moon is pretty much worthless at this point in time.

People are bored and it's fun to start arguments on the internet for some people.

>>10391127
>projection

>>10391139
>The moon landing was real because it was on TV

>>10391192
>The Moon is real because it was on TV

>>10391171
>The moon is pretty much worthless at this point in time.
Jej, this is what landingcucks have to tell themselves to explain why no humans have been back for nearly 50 years.

>>10391199
>resorts to absurd claims because they can't confidently defend their moon landing faith

>>10391220
>dat ad hominem
That desperate? Wow ((they)) must be paying you minimum wage for you to shill that badly about the Moon landing "hoax" red herring.

>>10390850
It is my opinion that we should never feed trolls.

>>10391199
The Moon is not capitalized,

>>10391211
If you think its valuable then go make yourself rich from it.
>>10391199
Actually it was on TV on a TV. What was broadcast to the world was a TV camera pointing at a video screen.

>>10390858
amen

>the Disclosure project
>gargantuic number of credible witnesses talking about governmental cover up on ufos
>naaaa, it doesn't make sense. Greer is a hack.

>moon landing conspiracy
>debunked thoroughly like million times
>there is something fishy here, lads, trust me

why are /x/ers like this?

>>10391228
>actually thinks these men landed on the moon

>>10391255
>If you think its valuable then go make yourself rich from it.
Jej, as if making money is what makes the moon valuable.

>>10391077

You can't be reasoned with (whether troll or sincere) and so I write the following not out of a desire to have a good-faith conversation with you, but merely to probe your reaction/feed the troll out of some boredom.

One of the most compelling and conventional rebuttals to the idea that the moon landings were a hoax, is that the rival states also involved in spaceflight (esp. USSR) never officially called them out as such, though they would seem to have everything to gain by doing so-especially if in fact they were faked (possible, though untenable delusional architectural support: "No, all the governments are in on the same hoax together") Further, thousands of people have watched launches, which raises another logisitcal can-of-worms: /something/ was shot up into the sky, again and again, but what was it? Were crews aboard? If not, when?

The other thing specific to the moon landings which is curious, is whether certain people believe that humans have gone into space, or even to the ISS, but insist specifically that the moon landings didn't occur. If such people exist (I'm sure they do), this suggests a continuum of belief/disbelief in various forms of spaceflight. I wonder where you might fall on such a continuum.

>>10391355
>One of the most compelling and conventional rebuttals to the idea that the moon landings were a hoax, is that the rival states also involved in spaceflight (esp. USSR) never officially called them out as such, though they would seem to have everything to gain by doing so-especially if in fact they were faked
Let's see if you'll answer this. What flag did Buzz Aldrin supposedly bring with him to the moon? And when the USSR dissolved and became Russia - what did the coat of arms of Russia become (and still is)? What was the Apollo lander's nickname too?
>Further, thousands of people have watched launches, which raises another logisitcal can-of-worms: /something/ was shot up into the sky, again and again, but what was it? Were crews aboard? If not, when?
There's no doubt they can launch rockets, they simply fly into the sea. The crew would have got on board, and escaped through an emergency exit - there's videos on youtube showing it, here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce6Ejy1A9mM
>The other thing specific to the moon landings which is curious, is whether certain people believe that humans have gone into space, or even to the ISS, but insist specifically that the moon landings didn't occur. If such people exist (I'm sure they do), this suggests a continuum of belief/disbelief in various forms of spaceflight. I wonder where you might fall on such a continuum.
I do not know what "space" is, but I'm not someone that believes in some ridiculous dome. I do not trust anything NASA puts out, they are a propaganda wing and always have been.

>>10391397

First thing's a bit loaded by the wording, but: 1a: apart from the American flag that was brought along, I don't know what else you might have in mind (if you're referring to another flag/patch/item). 1b: no OTTOMH I don't know Russia's coat of arms (is it an Eagle?) and 1c: Eagle.

2: The wacky fun slide video is interesting, I hadn't seen that. It also suggests a very different safety backup procedure than the LES. The relevant thing now is to know the detailed provenance of the clip. Always remember what I said to you right at the start.

>>10390850
Moon Landing conspiracy is extinct. It’s only coupled with flat earth now. Of course it happened dumbass.

>>10391293
>the Disclosure project
>gargantuic number of credible witnesses talking about governmental cover up on ufos
>naaaa, it doesn't make sense. Greer is a hack.
It's all fake. You're not going to get a large number of military personnel willing to expose secrets unless the government have authorized them to do so.
>moon landing conspiracy
>debunked thoroughly like million times
Jej - can't believe you think it's real.

>>10391170
Just make vaccines mandatory and create a new libel law to ban conspiracies.

>>10391461
>I don't know what else you might have in mind (if you're referring to another flag/patch/item)
Google image 'buzz aldrin scottish rite'.
> don't know Russia's coat of arms (is it an Eagle?)
Google image it.
>The relevant thing now is to know the detailed provenance of the clip. Always remember what I said to you right at the start.
Why do you need the detailed provenance of the clip?

>>10391397
>And when the USSR dissolved and became Russia - what did the coat of arms of Russia become (and still is)? What was the Apollo lander's nickname too?

What connection do those two things have other than a reference to a popular species of bird?

Are you implying some grand conspiracy that controls both the USA and USSR? Cool! You fell for the trap that >>10391355 described. A conspiracy so big that it controls both the USA and USSR would be unstable. It wouldn't have lasted as long as your "theory" requires.

On top of that, you need to present evidence of said massive conspiracy. And I mean actual evidence, not pattern seeking stuff like "if you put a T in NASA it becomes SATAN so they're evil!!!1"

>>10390850
The only real conspiracies are in finance

>>10390850
we (the USA) landed on the moon and even the russians admitted it. face it hoaxtards, you’re schizos

>>10391486
>What connection do those two things have other than a reference to a popular species of bird?
You're ignoring the flag that Buzz took with him to the "moon" - the Scottish Rite flag. The double headed Eagle. It is symbolic of the US and Russia's relationship, two sides of the same coin as it were, pretending to be enemies.

Those in power are not stupid, they work together. US and Russia aren't even hiding it. Russia sends the US up to "space", and they share the ISS with no issues. They even did some weird symbolic "docking" with each other in the 70s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo%E2%80%93Soyuz_Test_Project

>>10391518
>It is symbolic of the US and Russia's relationship, two sides of the same coin as it were, pretending to be enemies.
Did pulling that out of your ass hurt?

>>10391532
The US and Russian "astronauts" are constantly engaging in ass play on the ISS. I thought you shitheads were enemies? You've been played.

>>10391518
The Imperium of Man's symbol is a double headed eagle too. Does this mean that the Emperor of Mankind is behind all of it?
I asked for evidence, you just showed some interesting patterns in symbology.

Example: The blue on the UN flag and the flag of Ukrane represent the sky. Does that mean that they're working together in a secret alliance? No. It just means that the sky is commonly represented by the color blue.

>Those in power are not stupid
>aren't even hiding it
It seems pretty stupid to drop hints about something that you're trying to hide. Its like that one guy who murdered his wife and then wrote a book about how to get away with murdering your wife.

>They even did some weird symbolic "docking" with each other in the 70s
Which is a simpler explanation?
A) Two superpowers who are in high tensions and could obliterate each other in an instant, deciding on making a symbolic gesture of peace together in an attempt to lower tensions so a nuclear holocaust wouldn't happen.
B) A "clever" move of a worldwide conspiracy to drop a hint to the brainwashed masses that the two superpowers are in fact working together even though they're supposed to convince the world that they're enemies. Such a hint may jeopardize the entire conspiracy but hey they can't help themselves to make "hints"

>>10390850
Nobody has real problems to solve any more so they make them up.

>>10391518

Help us to understand how these considerations logically and necessarily require the conclusion that the moon landings did not take place, bearing in mind what I told you earlier (I was the one who did not wish to have a good-faith conversation with you, and merely wanted to probe your reactions to certain stimuli).

>>10391544
>The Imperium of Man's symbol is a double headed eagle too. Does this mean that the Emperor of Mankind is behind all of it?
>I asked for evidence, you just showed some interesting patterns in symbology.
>Example: The blue on the UN flag and the flag of Ukrane represent the sky. Does that mean that they're working together in a secret alliance? No. It just means that the sky is commonly represented by the color blue.
Yes, because those examples are exactly the same...

The US couldn't have successfully staged the moon landings without the USSR's help. It was a team effort. Landing on the moon to end a "war" is something straight out of a comic book, completely scripted.
>It seems pretty stupid to drop hints about something that you're trying to hide. Its like that one guy who murdered his wife and then wrote a book about how to get away with murdering your wife.
It hasn't stopped you believing them. This is how they operate, they don't hide what they're doing, it's up to us to work it out, but if we don't, or do nothing about it, we deserve what we get
>Which is a simpler explanation?
>A) Two superpowers who are in high tensions and could obliterate each other in an instant, deciding on making a symbolic gesture of peace together in an attempt to lower tensions so a nuclear holocaust wouldn't happen.
>B) A "clever" move of a worldwide conspiracy to drop a hint to the brainwashed masses that the two superpowers are in fact working together even though they're supposed to convince the world that they're enemies. Such a hint may jeopardize the entire conspiracy but hey they can't help themselves to make "hints"
If they could just obliterate each other in an instant, how could they be enemies? Russia supposedly hacked the election, and yet the US are being sent up in Russian rockets to "space". Makes sense to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFMU7XfyzE
Lets see some real tears.

>>10391579
You claimed that the Soviet Union would have exposed the moon landings as being fake, and because they didn't, they must have been real.

I've shown clear evidence of a relationship between the countries. Russia adopting the double headed eagle after Buzz takes the same symbol to the "moon"

>>10391605
>>10391632
How the fuck did you make it through high school without learning at least the bare minimum about what the Cold War was?

>>10391211
There wasn't much reason to send humans in the first place really. It was mostly just for dick waving.
Now with modern robotics there's even less reason to send humans.

>>10391077
>I cannot get my head around it
that sums it up, all you have is argument to incredulity

you thought accelerating pieces of metal to the correct speeds was too good to be true, and instead of learning in-depth about apollo, you chose to watch a couple youtube videos of equally feckless people saying "yeah, i don't know much about spaceflight but apollo was a hoax".

stop being lazy.

>>10391333

>>10391397
>argument to symbology
schizo

>>10390850
Van Allen.

>>10391865
>'I don't believe a word NASA says (that means "deceive" in Hebrew dontchaknow!)'
>I believe in belts of magnetically captive charged particles though, that's the one exception

>>10391211
What would be the purpose of sending men to the Moon? Tell me, I'm genuinely curious. People like you would never believe it even if you were put inside the space rocket, and launched into space. You probably wouldn't even believe it if you actually WERE on the Moon.
There's nothing for us on the Moon, nothing that would justify spending millions of dollars and creating more junk in space feeding the Kessler syndrome. Get educated, you ignorant fool.

>>10391873
>Thinks he can brute force any critique into early submission
>Thinks in black and white. Is so fucked up and shallow other people are little more than cardboard caricatures that might as well have been manufacture at their moment of posting

Fuck you too kiddo. With that out of the way, I'm just going by their framework in the same way you identify plot holes in a story. Supposedly there is such a thing, and yet they and their equipment passed through.

I'm going to counter this by saying that is was impossible to fake the moon landing with the technology we had in 1969.

When you have to invent magical technology to explain how an event is FAKE you have lost all credibility and need to face the fact that you are being delusional.

https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs

>>10391885
Yes because all the van allen belts are are areas of charged particles. What do you fucking think they are, a sky dome?

>>10391897
You're going to need to be more specific with what you mean here.

>>10391908
What?

>>10391882
>What would be the purpose of sending men to the Moon

What is the purpose of sending men to the ISS? It is basically the same thing, and yet billions of dollars have been "wasted" on that as well.

On the moon, we could build a base, or even a city. Eventually, we could create moon sports. Could you imagine playing in the moon olympics? I would love to play soccer or ice hockey on the moon. Not to mention having sex, or taking ecstasy and raving on the moon.

Living on the moon would be absolutely awesome and interesting and fun. And even if you don't personally think so, it still remains factually the case that many other people would think so.

Not to mention the science and engineering goldmine it literally is, and what we could learn about both science and engineering to live on the moon.

>>10391496
>>10391541

>Russia agrees that it happened, therefore it happened

Take all other conspiracies in the past, that has since been officially admitted as conspiracies. Did Russia, or the rest of the world for that matter, call these conspiracies out while they were occurring and still relevant?

No. Other countries rarely meddle in the narrative the more powerful nations are selling their populace.

Now I do not have a strong opinion on whether the moon landings happened or not, and I also do not care. But the "Russia agrees" and "We don't need to go back" are demonstrably bullshit arguments.

>>10391997
>Take all other conspiracies in the past, that has since been officially admitted as conspiracies. Did Russia, or the rest of the world for that matter, call these conspiracies out while they were occurring and still relevant?
No, because they didn't have anything to do with Russia, and Russia had nothing to benefit from talking about them.
On the other hand, the USSR was publicly shamed by their failure to beat the USA to the moon. Immediately calling out the Apollo program as a hoax would have reduced that, and at least given the impression that the space race was still unfinished.

>>10391632
>Russia adopting the double headed eagle after Buzz takes the same symbol to the "moon"
Cospiracytard can't even bother to look into history books

>>10391997
the ISS is just theft from the public coffers on behalf of contractors

>and what we could learn about both science and engineering to live on the moon.
very little

"we have not been to the moon for 50 years now" does not mean the apollo program was a hoax, it means that travel to the moon is hindered by incredible expense, little political will, and no clear benefit. "i want to rave on the moon, why aren't we raving on the moon" is also not evidence of a hoax.

anyway nasa have set out the plan to land on the moon in 2027 after SLS is complete. everyone knows SLS will never be complete because it's just another shitty contractor heist, though. private space clearly wants to do it for tourism and prestige, but again it's bloody expensive and requires the arduous process of human certification.

>Take all other conspiracies in the past, that has since been officially admitted as conspiracies. Did Russia, or the rest of the world for that matter, call these conspiracies out while they were occurring and still relevant?
what are you even on about?

>>10391865
>Van Allen.
"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense."
- Dr. Van Allen

>>10392019
I'm thinking more about their equipment.

>>10392014

This was not in the internet age, and so it would essentially have boiled down to their word on the television against the word of the USA on the television. And since the world liked the USA more, the USSR would just have been seen as desperate losers. The space race was a PR battle, and when the USA "landed on the moon" - whether faked or not - they had won it. And if the USSR had called them out on it anyway, it might only have escalated the tensions of the Cold War even more.

Also, there was no incentive to keep the space race going either way for either nation. It was in many ways just a waste of money, if you disregard its PR value.

The USSR had literally nothing to gain by calling the USA out on faking the moon landings, even if had been in the right in doing so.

>>10392023
lol

>>10392017
>"we have not been to the moon for 50 years now" does not mean the apollo program was a hoax

I agree, and I never stated otherwise.

>"i want to rave on the moon, why aren't we raving on the moon" is also not evidence of a hoax.

I agree with this as well. What you do not seem to understand is that arguing that "X is a bad argument for A." does not mean that you have to believe that "A is therefore false."

>what are you even on about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

>>10392031
>how can you make things go really fast AHHHHHHHH
the moon landings happened, get over it

>>10392024
>The USSR had literally nothing to gain by calling the USA out on faking the moon landings
rofl

>>10392035

>can't tell whether turbobrainlet or just troll
>probably the latter though

>>10392044
flattard

>>10392035
>>10392045

So it's the former? You were actually serious in your demonstrable misunderstanding of where I was coming from?

>>10392051
you're a flattard pretending to be a Rational Fence-sitter (don't know if the moon landing was real, guys!) playing devil's advocate

>>10390931
Did I nut the world?

>>10392042

The USA has done thousands of bad things over the decades, lied to its people numerous times in obvious ways, etc.

How many times have Russia called them out on it? Once?

They don't meddle in the narrative the US government puts out. Probably for a very good reason.

>>10392058
Yes, you're right, the moon landings were a hoax. Also, there was no space race. The Cuban missile crisis existed only in fake news headlines. There was no struggle between two ideologically opposed spheres of influence throughout the 20th century.

Also the UN puts flat earth on their flag just to fuck with you. The government is watching you.

>>10392055

I believe the earth is round, so you are just plainly wrong in your attempt at characterizing me. Secondly, I do not claim to be a fence-sitter on the moon landings, as I do believe they happened. I just don't have strong feelings on the issue, and my worldview is not contingent on whether A or B happened. If it turns out that the moon landings were faked and all of mainstream media would come to that conclusion, my reaction would not be "OMG WHO AM I?", it would be "Ok cool, what's for dinner though?"

It literally does not matter to me what happened. That does not make me a fence-sitter, it makes me apathetic. As such, I am more able to be neutral on the issue, and point out bad arguments for what they are: Bad.

"Russia agrees" is just not a good argument, because then 9/11 was an inside-job with the very same logic, because Iran does NOT agree with the official US narrative on that issue. And yet, I am willing to bet that you don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job just because Iran says so.

It's called making good arguments, and spotting bad arguments. Something that is quite the crucial skill on a place like this. Or, so you would have hoped.

>>10391151
God is in the TV

>>10392066
>you're right, the moon landings were a hoax

And we're back to trolling, I see ^^

>>10392069
Alright.

>>10392071
For some reason I doubt you were even alive in the 20th century.

>>10391171
Tell that to the Helium-3 https://m.esa.int/Our_Activities/Preparing_for_the_Future/Space_for_Earth/Energy/Helium-3_mining_on_the_lunar_surface

>>10392074

Given how bored I am, you are more than welcome to elaborate on what that reason is.

>>10392075
meme-3

>>10391174
No it's not

>>10392078
Your insistence that the cold war was a fat old load of nothing.

>>10392081
K, thanks, interesting.

I just think that the governments are way more rational than they appear as in the media or in the history books. I don't think their core motivation is "We have to win!!!!!" but rather "What is the best narrative for our general benefit?"

But I am neither someone with inside information on how things really work, or an historian of any kind. I am just guessing based on the assumption that people in power are at least slightly more reasonable than they let on.

>>10392086
The US had a vested interest in making sure the world shut the fuck up, wore Levis, and drank Coke. Hence the proxy wars, the support of coups and revolutions, the PR stunts and propaganda (e.g. the space race, Radio Free Europe, the Marshall plan, etc.), and so on. Expanding the US sphere of influence not only makes the US richer (US businesses have entire new nations to expand into) but decreases the risk of being overrun by a rival empire and its allies. Same goes for the USSR, just ideologically "communist" instead.

So you're right, they're rational actors. It's just that what you think is irrational is perfectly rational when you're trying to demonstrate the superiority of your empire.

>>10391239
>The Moon is not capitalized,
See the irony here?

Anyways, OUR moon is because the Moon is also the name. Nobody calls it Selene and only the unstable call it Luna.

>>10392023
What equipment? The computers of the time were pretty radiation tolerant, and the guidance system was designed to recover from failures quickly.

The moon landing is santa clause for adults

>>10392532
Santa Claus is the Apollo conspiracy theory for children.

>>10392532
Adults now were children during the moon landings. They were supposed to colonize the moon, but as usual boomers stuck their thumb up their ass and achieved nothing.

>>10390850
also vaccines don't work, polio was a psyop

>>10391355
>You can't be reasoned with (whether troll or sincere) and so I write the following not out of a desire to have a good-faith conversation with you, but merely to probe your reaction/feed the troll out of some boredom.
this is a great opener, i'm using this from now on

>>10390850
https://www.cnet.com/videos/nvidia-proved-the-moon-landing-wasnt-faked/

>>10391077
here fucktard

https://www.cnet.com/videos/nvidia-proved-the-moon-landing-wasnt-faked/

>>10391895
Best post in the thread

>>10391541
>The US and Russian "astronauts" are constantly engaging in ass play on the ISS
>comparing the political climate of the cold war to today
>thinking astronauts are actually dumb enough to fall for partisan "me against them" squabbles

>>10391623
>comments and rating disabled
Jej

Wifi signals turned me gay

>>10390850
Young people have never seen a man go up in a rocket and come back safely. Just a ton of weird black and white film mixed with cartoons and corny narration. They saw Felix jump from the balloon, but you can only see New Mexico. You couldnt even see water, so he wasnt that high up anyways. Launch a human with a camera in a rocket far enough away that he can take a picture of the ball. Can it be done? That depends, altitude is measured in units above Sea Level?

>>10391077
Go to >>>/x/ and never come back.

>>10391077
Yeah it's ridiculous that people still believe in silly psuedoreligious myths like the moon landing and the holocaust lol.

>>10392647
>Launch a human with a camera in a rocket far enough away that he can take a picture of the ball. Can it be done?
Explain how the sun and moon work on a flat earth so I can embarrass you in front of everyone ITT

>>10392652
War reparations guided post war reported POW casualties. That's why the reported Jewish death toll is so high. Fuckin gready God dahm Jews

I think it's because there is an increasingly large negative dissent with mainstream society, notably in how the government is run or the scale of corporations, with reasons varying between individuals of course.

Because of a failing, anti-rational education system, and because most people lack the intelligence and/or emotional capacity to understand the actual cause of modern woes, this discontent just translates into tackling grand monuments of western society.

Rather than tackle the list of reasons why something like NASA is an bureaucratic, slow, wasteful nightmare of an organisation, simply just say the Moon Landings didn't happen.

Modern youth have no hope, no aspirations, no money, no jobs, no families and no values, so therefore there is every reason to think they'll be swept up in a rage of anti-rational hatred against their society. Funny thing too is that even older generations are buying into this garbage too.

Western society for the most part is finished. I absolutely consider the Apollo Program to be the swan song for whites.

>>10392670
Ok, so the North star Polaris doesnt move, and we all need to know that so we can reference it later. The North star Polaris sits at a point we call the geographic North Pole. 90N it never moves. Now the north and southern limits of the sun throughout its yearly analemma reside within the tropics of cancer23.5N and capricorn23.5S. The Equator is O. When the sun reaches these outer limits, we call that a solstice. When it crosses the equator its called an equinox. So N is the center, the equator is about 6,000 miles from North Pole and the edge of liquid sea water and sunlight is about 12,000 miles from the North pole center. The sun cycles at 24:00. The stars as a whole unit cycle at 23:56. The moon cycles at 24:50. Full moon always rises at sunset, full moons are 29.5 days apart. Two full moons in same month is a blue moon. Full moons happen when the sun and the moon are on opposite sides of the North pole. The right side of a ship is called Starboard. Swimming pools have deep ends and shallow ends. Its called SeaLevel for a reason.

The Earth before WWII.

>>10392731
Draw a diagram because I can't decipher your absolute diarrhea post, show on the diagram what is happening when the sun and moon rise and set.

>>10392753
Read the top right part of your own image, retard.

>>10392756
Nah, Im not gonna feed you infographics. If you dont understand the world you live in or the terms that humans use to describe it, then you're dumb af and have no business questioning anyones theories..

>>10392767
So you can't explain why the sun and moon's angular size do not change as they move across the sky? Can you explain why people in the southern hemisphere see the same face of the moon as those in the northern hemisphere?

>>10392760
The Globe is also a projection, retard.

>>10392731
>Now the north and southern limits of the sun throughout its yearly analemma reside within the tropics of cancer23.5N and capricorn23.5S. The Equator is O. When the sun reaches these outer limits, we call that a solstice.
What causes the sun to speed up and slow down throughout the year?

>>10392773
I have no means to observe the sun directly throughout the day. Please share with us your scientific instrumentation setup and findings so I may scrutinize them thouroghly.

>>10391355
ISS and other flights have legitimate purposes while the moon landing might as well be staged

>>10392774
Your image is a projection of a globe, it literally says it.
>>10392793
A solar filter and a camera, or your own eyes if you have the patience.

>>10392731

>>10392777
Please imagine a clockhand with a figure 8 track attached. The North pole will represent the bearing or center of rotation. The center of the figure 8 is the equator, the top and bottom are the tropics. The clockhand makes 1 cycle every 24hr:00min. However the sun is at different positions on the figure 8 track. This may account for the percieved speed change to a ground observer. The 8 represents the analemma

>>10392827
I assume you can make accurate predictions of the heading and elevation of the sun for any given time using this model yes?

>>10392827
What force causes this figure 8 motion?

>>10392827
Does the moon do this too? Is the moon a ball or a disk?

>>10392819
Please find the North Star Polaris where you live. Your eyes are the proof. Please use eyes, and brain will follow. Copy this and check for yourself. Earth is not moving. Everything else is cycling Polaris counter clockwise from ground observer.

>>10392833
Heading of the sun is always known. I have no way to measure the suns altitude. Please share your method

>>10392835
I do not know. The solar analemma has been known for thousands of years from simple observation. Anyone can check it.

>>10392858
https://sciencing.com/calculate-suns-altitude-8556649.html
https://youtu.be/yrsaP7nBWt0
Funny how observable headings and elevations look when modelled on a flat map

>>10392846
The moon follows a similar path with the sun. The moon takes 24hr:50min to cycle around Polaris, but it moves North and South much faster than the sun. Maybe the moon was a sun, and its broken or something? I dont know what the moon is. I see 4 moons with one eye closed, so?

>>10392852
>Everything else is cycling Polaris counter clockwise from ground observer
So why is there a similar southern star that is only visible by those on and past the equator around which the southern stars (also not visible by those in the northern hemisphere) appear to rotate?

>>10392890
If it's a ball, why does everyone see the same face of it regardless of their position on Earth? If it's a disk, why does it always appear perfectly circular regardless of its position in the sky? Disks look skewed if viewed from an angle.

>>10392893
the same hemisphere of the moon is always facing the earth because of tidal locking

>>10392852
>>10392731
polaris does move, it precesses a small amount

>>10392892
what's funny is that i've seen flattards use that exact image as proof of flattardia. they have an infant's level of spatial reasoning.

>>10392886
More cartoons and computer projections. The problem with this, this is a persons imagination. I'm giving you tangible and useful geography and navigation information about your physical world.
You can tell me the Earth is a ball, but you cant explain it or show me how to test it, then youre part of the problem.

>>10392935
>You can tell me the Earth is a ball, but you cant explain it or show me how to test it, then youre part of the problem
I'm not the anon you're replying to, but I'll accept the challenge.
There are two things that can be easily observed. One, sunsets and sunrises. Two, time zones exist. These two things can be tested for and proven to exist by even one person and some free time. However these two facts are impossible on a flat Earth, and they show that the Earth's surface must be curved at least along the East-West direction.

>>10392926
Tidal Locking is a myth. The tides dont coincide with the cycles of the moon.

Polaris doesnt move, another myth.

That image shows, if you face North, everything is going around Polaris from East to West. Works anywhere.

>>10392959
Massive bodies of water that magically cling to a ball spinning 1,000mph,

or

A puddle with a spinning sky

>>10392926
>the same hemisphere of the moon is always facing the earth because of tidal locking
I know, I'm asking these questions against a small and local model of the moon

>>10392986
Doesn't address the point that was made.

>>10392935
>More cartoons and computer projections. The problem with this, this is a persons imagination. I'm giving you tangible and useful geography and navigation information about your physical world
It's literally just applying OBSERVABLE heading and elevation values to both models you dolt.
>>10392986
>spinning 1,000mph,
No, it's spinning at a rate of 360 degrees every 24 hours.

Where are my concave earth bros?

>>10392972
lol you read the word "tidal" and went straight to talking about "the tides", well done

you asked why we only ever see one half of the moon from earth. the reason is that the moon is 1:1 tidally locked. tidal locking is harmonic rotation of an orbiting body where both the orbiting body and the orbited body have non-uniform density. the non-uniform density of the bodies means that torque is exerted on both bodies, causing their rotational velocities to change. over many billions of years this gravitational interaction stabilizes into a situation where (at least) the smaller body has a rotational period that is harmonically related to its orbital period.

this will of course go over your head because the very idea of two massive orbiting bodies doesn't satisfy you. you probably think gravity is a hoax too. you're probably the same guy who posts this shit every day.

>That image shows, if you face North, everything is going around Polaris from East to West. Works anywhere.
the only way that image would even work on a disc is if the disc is spinning around an axis that bisects its rims, rather than an axis that goes through the two faces of the disc. but then the images that show stars spinning around only one axis are impossible.

how do you explain this away? dome earth?

>>10392997
oh, fuck

>>10393004
Sure, in the heliocentric model, the earth is a ball and it spins, but thats not my opinion based on my experiences with water on Earth.

>>10393069
>but thats not my opinion based on my experiences with water on Earth
What "experiences with water" have let you to hold such a retarded viewpoint?

>>10393069
sheeeeit you been hittin that pcp negro?

>>10393033
It is my opinion that any body of water being contained will find and maintain a surface that is level. We call that Level "Sea Level" . It is my observation that the North star Polaris does not move. The coordinate system for navigation is the same on AE and Globe projection. If I can navigate, tell time and predict celestial events, then I feel that I have a good understanding of where I live.

>>10392069
> As such, I am more able to be neutral on the issue, and point out bad arguments for what they are: Bad
And you only see "bad' argument from people debunking moon hoax conspiracytards but not any from moon hoaxes themselves?

>>10393105
>It is my opinion that any body of water being contained will find and maintain a surface that is level. We call that Level "Sea Level"
Level ≠ flat
>If I can navigate, tell time and predict celestial events, then I feel that I have a good understanding of where I live.
Why are you avoiding >>10392893

>>10390850
Its the result of various factions using disinfo tactics on social media, coupled with a general rise in cynicism in the general populace due to increased social stratification. Expect the the truth to become further obfuscated in the coming years.

>>10393116
Youre behind my dude
》10392890

>>10393137
Doesn't answer my question at all.

>>10390850
They have grown with their only exposure to space being Elon Musk and similar con men, and their rabid mouth breathing fan clubs. Can you really blame them for thinking this shit was faked when people tout THIS as the "best" humanity has to offer?

>>10393141
My answer was I dont know what the moon is. I can tell you where it will be and what it will look like without Google. Right now its Almost full so that means its a little less than 12hours behind the sun. In a couple days it will be full, and it will be 12 hours behind the sun. Full moon rises at sunset.

>>10390850
Nothing can survive the Van Halen belt.

>>10392075
we have no use for helium-3 and won't for many, many decades

>>10390850
I have a pretty clear memory of the entire Apollo program. It had the mistakes and advances you'd expect from any huge and novel undertaking. It was real.

Conspiracy nuts are basically losers who are jealous that they can't and will never achieve. To help cope with their inadequacies, they turn first to denial, then fantastic stories to support their neuroses in an attempt to convince others that such things couldn't have happened.

Conspiracy storytelling. It's their only talent and option in life.

>>10392105
ehh, L1, L2 and L3 aren't stable points, so how are they keeping those asteroids there?

>>10393111

No, but they are easy and non-controversial to point out, so everyone else does that instead.

>>10391239
Actually, when referencing the (generic) moon that orbits the Earth, it is capitalized.
The Earth has a moon. The Moon orbits the Earth.
Yeah, it gets confusing. Same with the Sun, believe it or not.

>>10393169
And yet you can't predict where the sun will be in the sky at any given time for any given location.

>>10393181
How old would that make you? 70, 80? and youre on 4chan? Mmmmmmm?

>>10393105
>when i pours water in me cup it's perfectly flat, i says. how you gonna explain that to me, mista globehead?
your cup and bath and toilet aren't the size of planets. also, there is no universal down direction. let me say it again: there is no universal down direction. there is just gravity, attraction to mass. also "buoyancy" isn't a force, it's a scalar value, so don't pull that one out of your arse.

>'e don't look like 'e moves when i look at 'im so 'e must be not movin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_star#Precession_of_the_equinoxes

>If I can navigate, tell time and predict celestial events, then I feel that I have a good understanding of where I live.
i would love for you to try to navigate using azimuthal equidistant projection. notice how it's an AZIMUTHAL PROJECTION onto a 2D plane, it's right there in the name. a projection of what? a sphere, as is very obvious when you look at the perspective stretching

>i looks out me window and all i sees is flat land. how you gonna explain that to me, mista globehead?
your argument

>>10393186
you have to orbit the general location of a lagrange point

>>10393194
what a people's hero you are

>>10393228
clearly zubrin posts on /sci/

>>10393221
Huh? Anyone with a clock can predict where the sun is. If you can find the big dipper, then you know the season, which gives you the analemma information. Stop being a dick, im trying to help. Dont assume YouTube and Wikipedia are right. Speak about what you know, not what you googled.

>>10393252
>Anyone with a clock can predict where the sun is.
No, I mean exact heading and elevation from any point in the planet given a time and date. Your model literally can't do that.

>>10393254
Ok, but I have no need to know the suns heading, its moving west. Also, the "elevation" at zenith will depend on my latitude, so whats your point?

>>10393274
>but I have no need to know the suns heading, its moving west
That's not the point. The very fact that your model can't be used to predict something as basic as the position of the sun in the sky makes it utterly useless and laughable.
>at zenith
Who said anything about zenith?
>depend on my latitude
Hence why I said from any given location

>>10391077
most people who believe in moon landings, never watched the footage

>>10393290
Have you seen a AE map? Its essentially a clockface. It most certainly could be used to predict the position of the sun, moon, and stars.

I used zenith to make it clear, because youre acting like a goblin.

give me a location in longitude and latitude, its no problem.

>>10392601
this is so retarded, anyone who thinks this is what moon landing diners claim, never wanted to know to begin with

>>10393305
Most people that believe in satellites have never seen one. Everyone that believes in a Ball Earth has never seen one. If its not a ball, some very rich important people are gonna be murdered painfully.

>>10393310
>It most certainly could be used to predict the position of the sun, moon, and stars.
No it can't, look at the video I posted earlier. If you think it CAN be used for such purposes then why don't you make some predictions of these values based on the FE model and see if they line up with reality?
https://youtu.be/SPA8TfMjOMU
https://youtu.be/2cFMFinoN2U

>>10391472

>>10393330
>moon landing diners
They have Dennys on the moon?

>>10393333
good shit man, people are waking up everyday, just gota do it incrementally so they dont snap

>>10393333
>Everyone that believes in a Ball Earth has never seen one

>>10393367
https://www.mojvideo.com/video-nasa-s-robert-simmons-admits-to-faking-globe-earth-rare-audio-flat-earth/7cc31c143e1eb7d59acf
you have never seen a photo of a round earth

>>10393376
Retard, he stated clearly when he published it that it was a composite picture you misleading faggot.
https://qz.com/192700/the-guy-who-created-iphones-earth-image-explains-why-he-needed-to-fake-it/
>you have never seen a photo of a round earth
See >>10392670 and https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

>>10393376
>hurrr what is jpeg compression
Neck yourself

>>10393333
why don't you go and prove the shape of the Earth for yourself, just like these fine flat earthers did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjDAzUFxX0

>>10393333
whoa don't murder anyone, schizo

>>10393376
>RARE AUDIO!!!
fuck right off. There's absolutely nothing secretive or rare about that audio.

>>10393376
https://youtu.be/YHQ_NzzN1wk

>>10393244
but those asteroids are clearly not orbiting, they are depicted at Lagrange points

>>10392105
>Luna
cringe

>>10393442
gr8

>>10393442
>but those asteroids are clearly not orbiting, they are depicted at Lagrange points
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_of_reference

>>10393228
I'm 62. I'm here partly to see why I hear kids these days say the stupid things they say. This is a source, and I'm just keeping tabs on idiots.

>>10394175
I like penis

>>10394200
Okay, so.. you're a faggot.
Whoopee.

>>10394240

>>10393230
Flatards should easily prove flat earth just by navigating around New Zealand (if they are afraid of phantom army patrolling massive landmass of Antarctica).
Just take ship and travel around it.

>>10390850
Either we will have mass-regression of humanity due to pure idiocy via social media and the internet or we evolve to a higher plane of being

I think the former will sadly triumph.
>Feelsbad

>>10391472
But how?
Conspiracies by definition DO exist and have been proven
But how do you regulate conspiracies that are harmful?
Who decides?
What about freedom of expression?

It's very difficult. i despair at times

>>10391077
So America's biggest enemy at the time the Soviet Union are stupid to have accepted this?

>>10393410
This need to be posted in all conspiracytard threads

>>10390850
>this thread again, copied and posted exactly the same with the exact same image

>>10391397
Cold war was a hoax to justify high military and surveillance expenses

>>10391333
the real conspiracy is Buzz's reverse balding.

>>10391865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNiscigIgBc

>>10390850
This argument isn't even worth having.
Like with flat earther's, you can measure the curvature of the earth or you can fly over the poles and they'll still dismiss it.

>>10394938
You can't eliminate paranoia because it's a fundamental part of our experience of reality. The patterns we think we see are always obscured somewhat by noise. We have to see a lot of the same pattern before we believe that we are actually seeing a real pattern, and that doesn't rule out any of the other patterns that our brains are telling us we are witnessing. Conspiracy theories are just people prematurely ejaculating over patterns they witness.

>>10397703
>Conspiracy theories are just people prematurely ejaculating over patterns they witness.
>All conspiracy theories must necessarily be false

The world is so simple and so black and white to so many people.

>>10397732
There's a difference between something being false and believing in something for irrational reasons. Conspiracy theories are failures of logical thinking, but that doesn't mean that conspiracies don't happen.

>>10397801

>Conspiracy theories are failures of logical thinking, but that doesn't mean that conspiracies don't happen.

Actually, that is precisely what it means. You are in essence arguing that conspiracies can't happen, because if they happen they are a conspiracy theory, and they must all be failures of logical thinking, and hence can't reflect reality.

You are, for lack of a better term, a status quo fundamentalist.

>>10390850
It's something that happened decades before they were born and nobody did it again since. Everything they know about it is from CGI movies or youtube videos. Original videos are so low quality they will always claim it's special effects without even knowing how special effects looked in the 60's.

Those retarded theories will disappear once Chinks land on the moon.

>>10397854
>You are in essence arguing that conspiracies can't happen, because if they happen they are a conspiracy theory
No, that's not what I'm arguing at all. A conspiracy, a theory about a conspiracy theory, and a conspiracy theory are three completely separate things. The first is an organisation, to second a set of ideas about an organisation, and the third a form of pathological thought.

>>10391632
>>10391605>>10391397
Moments before these posts.

>>10397225
You can't go to the moon though.
Unlike with flat earthers, you can't jump out of a plane and see the curvature with your eyes on the moon of the places the Americans have landed.

>>10397984
wtf are you trying to say?

>>10399585
You can see the curvature of the earth with your own eyes, you can't see the footprints on the moon with your own eyes.
Nobody even went back there. It's safe to say there's no proof

>>10399954
Not an argument

>>10399960
Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Unless you're talking about God

>>10397870
>Those retarded theories will disappear once Chinks land on the moon.

No they won't, they'll increase. Denying the Moon Landing is for most a moral argument, not an argument about facts or logic. If you just gain further proof, they'll just double down on their belief.

It is also an intelligence operation. China wants to know how we shielded the space capsules from the radiation in the Van Allen belts. This is still a secret. So the "faked" Moon landing accusations include the charge that it is impossible for us to have sent men to the moon because they would have cooked from the radiation. So the spooks and the random collection of useful idiots demand that NASA "tell the truth" about the landing and give up the shielding secret (as well as a portfolio of other technologies) and "come clean" about how we did it. Why did Russia and China never go to the moon? Because they can't unless they steal the technology from us.

>>10399962
>>10399962
There is no absence of evidence; the Moon Landing sites have been photographed from orbit; lunar material has been brought back and internationally studied; there are tens of thousands of HQ photos alongside video from the Apollo Program; scientific experiments have been performed on and around the Moon; there are 12 eyewitnesses with 400,000 behind them.

What you are doing is extremely manipulative, because you pose the question as unanswerable just because the sites have not revisited. There are far more denials and assumptions needed to believe in a conspiracy than to accept reality.

>>10399964
Don't forget that for non-American moon hoaxers there's an America-hate element to their "theories".

>>10399969
>muh van allen belt

Their flight trajectory took them away from the most dangerous regions of the belt

If they want to recreate Apollo they can't because they don't have the cash. The USSR stole the Space Shuttle designs, but didn't have the cash to fund it

>>10399962
Absence of evidence can also be evidence of presence. Such as the absence of the Soviets calling America out for faking the landings is strong evidence that the landings did happen.

>>10399969
>China wants to know how we shielded the space capsules from the radiation in the Van Allen belts. This is still a secret.
It's so incredibly secret that anybody can look it up.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/tnD7080RadProtect.pdf

>>10399979
Soviets were in on it.

>>10399970
To work at NASA you have to be approved. I bet everyone there is kept silent by blackmail.

>>10400043
Why would they be in on it? What could the Soviets get out of helping their enemy humiliate them?

>>10392024
>And since the world liked the USA more
Do you think the USSR would give a shit?>>10392058
Russia calls out the US almost every week my guy, with troop movement in eastern Europe, naval positioning etc. It was even more frequent when the US was involved in Syria

>>10392731
BY WHAT MECHANISM RETARD

>>10400053
Maybe the Americans had dirt on them

>>10400100
Like what? What would convince the Soviets to follow along? Why would America use this dirt on the Soviets for Apollo instead of saving it for something more important like the Cuban Missile Crisis?

You can't just drop something like "The Soviets were in on it" or "The Americans forced the Soviets to play along" without at least postulating how such things would work out.

>>10400100
>>10400049
>>10400043
the movie script being read by a screaming voice in your head is not real life

>>10400108
Soviets got cucked every step of the way mate. The Cuban missile crisis was Soviet humiliation

>>10400112
I love how conspiracy theorists just use the idea of a conspiracy as evidence. Sure its easy to say that every engineer and scientist at NASA is in on the conspiracy, but actually making that work in real life is much much more difficult.

>>10400113
Only because America was willing to damn the whole world in atomic fire if the Soviets didn't back off. Any country that isn't lead my insane men would be intimidated.

But also. There was no threat of nuclear war if the Soviets claimed that the Apollo missions were fake. So what specifically could motivate the Soviets play along if Apollo was faked?

>>10400122
The Flattard's Toolkit:
JPEG artifacts, supposition, invocation of magic, pattern-seeking, quote mining, van halen's greatest hits, bible references, "what a great uh cheat you've done", hebrew gematria books

>>10400126
because reasons of course

i don't know why you bother

>>10400143
Because if no one questions them then some poor soul is going too see the unchallenged conspiratards and think that their ideas hold merit.

>>10391077
Have you considered the possibility that you are mentally handicapped?

>>10390850
just stopping by to say this: if the moon landing indeed was fake, then why did the russians not take the chance and tell everyone truth? the russians would have found out if the USA was faking everything. so either way you accept that it happened or you deny the historical construction we have made about that time. (as for my case, because i wasn't alive back then.) if this is the case then i'm sure you can give sources backing your hypothesis.

>>10400138
>van halen's greatest hits

>>10392075
>let's mine the satellite that orbits our only planet and has heavy influence on our own ecosystem before making any meaningful progress in space exploration