/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10391262
disgusting rat's nest in pic related, obscene smell, awful race of people

>>10391262
When poor people and deadbeats can't just waltz in acting like parasites. Allow cities to deny entry to anyone they don't wa t around and things will improve dramatically.

>>10391262
Once the sea level rises this will prove to be a terrible city design. Also architecture and city design is no longer controlled by Roman and Christian influence, so the answer to your question is: never

>>10391262
>charm of the past
Do you mean squalor and disease?

>>10391392
>Modern Europe has squalor and disease
>Water delivery, sewage, and the automobile changed essentially nothing about dense population centers
You people are hopeless. Half the posters on this website, I have no idea what's wrong with you. It doesn't even make sense.

This place better secretly be mostly an AI.

When we disassemble capitalism

>>10391626
then we can all live in the glorious utopia that was the former soviet union

>>10391262
Cars

>>10391406
>Half the posters on this website
Maybe if half of everyone disagrees with you then you are wrong.

I think it's due to cities being progressively built. It's not like we are going to just shut down a city, demolish it, and rebuild with only modern technology.

We have cities that exist and slowly upgrade existing structures, sometimes we demolish a building and replace it. There is also the cost incentive, we don't modernize cities for the sake of modernizing them, we do so to increase value at a cost that justifies the increased value.

>>10391645
Where's a good brainlet image when you need one.

>>10391660

>>10391262
In NA, it's definitely due to a shift in paradigm. People seem to prefer suburbs to urban areas. Meanwhile, urban areas decayed and don't get developed like they should be.

>>10391262
capitalism, modernism, brutalism, zoning

>>10391269

Thank you thank you thank you for pre-empting my post. FPBP, OP's canard is a non-example.

>>10391716

Every single thing that you listed is a good thing.

>>10391630
Works for me

>>10391723
Not in the city planning context.

Capitalism leads to Modernism which asserts that form follows function. Thus, when you end up designing cities, you design them in the most cost effective way possible and not necessarily the most aesthetic. Its also how you get shoebox apartments and ugly, uninteresting buldings

Brutalism is a cancer on humanity.

Shitty zoning has also ruined cities.

I'm all for capitalism, but the most beautiful cities weren't built by private citizens, they were built by governments asserting and establishing their glory.

>>10391262
>>10391637
this
and
the industrial/information revolutions
we're transitioning from most people living in the country to most people living in the city. we don't have working models to follow anymore

>>10391729
Capitalists flat spotted.
KGB will deal with them.

>>10391262
whoa bro, what if there was a city, but like, the roads were like water, man.

>>10392697
The coziness comes from Density and usability of buildings.

>>10391262

>Barcelona is a charming city and the city plan is from 1860.
>Haussmann's renovation of Paris is from that century too.
>Same with NYC.

Those are three examples of some perfectly charming cities that don't date from the medieve or renaissance.

I can't give you examples from today because we have no need to build new cities or modernize existing ones nowadays. There are some exceptions like Abu Dhabi but the problem with those cities is mostly ostentation, which has nothing to do with our capability to design new cities.

And if all you're suggesting is that an organic city plan is better than a grid you just have no idea what you're talking about.

>>10391262
Because of architects being individuals (yet following bland trends) and not being part of a nation, society, and community. Same for everyone, really. It's an abstract, anti-real activity, instead of being defined by culture, materials, location, needs, wants, and even experimentation, and so forth.

>>10391262
Going to be underwater by EoC

But still better than 99.9% other cities desu

The only thing screwing up ancient cities that were hand built with care an skill is modern people and their crappy tech

>>10391280
this TBQH, we need to return to an age where deadbeats hit the frontier to make a life for themselves instead of leeching off of gibs and watching netflix forever inside of cities

>>10391660

>>10391660
here you go

>city design has gotten worse
good meme

>>10395329
What the fuck man

>>10395329
who thought this was a good idea?

>>10395329
This can't be real.

>>10391262
>>10391269
Centres of power, trade and commerce don't care about charm, hygeine or aesthetics. Cities have never been nice places to live unless you're very wealthy.

>>10391630
>communism is the only alternative to capitalism
can you burger cunts give us a break from your corporate sponsored kool-aid for one fucken minute?

>>10395347
>>10395383
>>10396675
It improves throughout and safety by limiting traffic turning across oncoming traffic. (No lefts in R side drive countries. Vice versa)
It is also designed around the cage and cagers have had the most detrimental impact on modern cities since the Atom bomb

>>10391406
>You people are hopeless. This place better secretly be mostly an AI.

>>10396746
>It is also designed around the cage and cagers have had the most detrimental impact on modern cities since the Atom bomb
>cage
>cagers
wf?
explaiiner pls

>>10396746
It's more accurate to say that there are many traffic load patterns where the double divided diamond is more efficient. There are still a few where the standard pattern works better.

>>10396756
derogatory term for automobile drivers since the simple act of driving seems to turn otherwise normal people into reckless selfish assholes.

>>10391262
Non-whites. Fuck niggers and fuck kikes for destroying our cities.

>>10395329
oh ya, take this

>>10396808
The Jews and their Canaanite degeneracy is the problem.

>>10391262
>When will we have cities with both the charms of the past + modern technology?
It would need to be designed, funded, and built, by a group of healthy minded, forward thinking people, because only such people would care about such things. In other words, not anytime soon.

>>10396945

>>10395329
Whoever designed this should be shot.

Literally cars

>>10391280
>>10394261
Poor people are why cities exist retards. Cities grew from the need to concentrate labor power for industry. This created a group of people who live in filth and reproduce like rats. Cities need to have shitty areas, otherwise the whole system doesn't work. This is also why so many American cities had/are going through financial disasters, no industry means they don't have the capital to support half a million proles.

>>10395329
Look at all that wasted land lmao cars are cancer

>>10398419
What's wrong, anon?

>>10391262
because you can't just plan a city from the beginning. cities grow naturally as technology advances and the needs of their denizens change

>>10395329
as if one of these fuckers actually got built

>>10391262
>>>/his/
They occasionally have good civil planning/engineering threads.
The short answer has to do with how fast population grew in those cities.
No one has time for aesthetics when your shitting out concrete monstrosity city blocks daily.

>>10398820
/his/ has some of the worse taste in architecture and art I've ever seen

>>10398820
Didn't know /his/ has those type of threads. /n/ always has an Urban Planning General because urban planning is so transportation related. /n/ is a very slow board.
>>>/n/upg

>>10391262
>old cities
Organically grow from a small town into a bigger city, adding a few houses every now and then
>modern cities like the concrete blocks in China or the suburbs in the US
Autistically planned to build a thousand houses from the get-go, maximizing available land in the process

So no, we will never have charming cities again because it's inefficient and therefore more expensive. Noone wants to lose money and they'll sacrifice any charme for it.

>>10391262
There are already cities like that, like Moscow and Paris. But I do have to agree on the bad city design on both the cities and the rest of the world.

"Cities are teh ghey."

t. Teuvo Kaczynskiainen

>>10399131
>Moscow
I hear Moscow's congestion makes Los Angeles look good.

>>10391392
>When will we have cities with both the charms of the past + modern technology?

>>10398845
Cheers.
I always forget about /n/.

>>10398838
>(post)modernism bad
>>10399131
they're like a thousand years old

NEWS:
MAN ADMITS TO ONLY HAVING TOTAL WORKING MEMORY CAPACITY OF "UHH, TWO, I THINK."
>>10391630

>>10391262
when there is coherence

>>10391262
Cars

>>10400716
my god

>>10400716
Is this disgusting tumor in England by chance?

>>10400716

Ah yes, the supercolliding car collider.

>>10391733
>form follows function
and they usually don't even get function right. it seems like every architect, city planner, and civil engineer is graduating without knowing the fucking basics of what its like to build living, breathing cities that are a joy to live in and better the people who live in them.

>>10392697
yeah like venice?

>>10391262
you ever been to kyoto?

>>10391262
>Why has city design gotten so much worse over time?
It hasn't?

>>10401780

>>10401780
A city that wasn't traditionally built lacks soul. US cities are primary examples for this. Autistically structured roads and blocks to maximize building. Disgusting, really.

>>10391262
Venice proves global warming is a lie.

>>10401786
>freeways allow hundreds of thousands of people to pass along them daily
Damn that's some good design
>>10401799
>lacks soul
Nice opinion

>>10402214
>mcdonalds give you lots of calories for cheap
>damn that's good

>>10403531
>strawman

>>10403676
not really.
cars are the arteriosclerosis of the city

>>10395329
>>10398460
I can see what they were going for, but how did this ever get approved?

>>10395329
How the fuck do I get to the other islands? I used to live in Ohio where everything sprawled across vast hectares of emptiness. Are there bridges/pedestrian crossing to cross the fucking lanes? Not that I want to walk that shit for fifteen minutes to get to another uninspiring concrete box.

>>10400716
I feel sick.

>>10391262
That city design is only "better" in the sense that it looks nice from far away. Living there is a nightmare.

This is a good thread. I'm interested in helping with city planning. Is this a good field and what skills should I learn to do it well?

>>10402214
Based brainlet

>>10398838
They like their brutalism commiecrete monstrosities too much for me, but also classical architecture is always great.

>>10400716
Isn’t stuff like this safer because it’s terrifying for the driver so they end up being a lot more cautious going through it?

>>10391262
Venice is a confusing maze of alleyways and canals. It’s cool to wander around in but good luck easily finding your way around town.

>>10402072
Venice is constantly flooding

>>10405568
If you live in a place like that it feels alive. Cities shouldn't be built for tourists.

>>10391716
do you know what brutalism means, anon? Do you know what is it's principal?
(why the fuck is this on /sci/)

>>10400716
I hate driving so much and that image is just giving me anxiety.

>>10395329
I don't know why people are so frightened of this
my hometown has one, and if the mormons can do it, so can you.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1100634,-113.5584729,18z

>>10396702
That's corporatism. It sucks. It is not the same thing as capitalism.

>>10391262
We'll have them in VR. You'll have probably hit the bucket by then though.