/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10386201
>How could so many people have similar accounts without ever meeting and lie to the extent of detail they share?
They're part of similar cultures (most of which can be grouped into a larger "Western culture") and thus are exposed to similar ideas about spirituality throughout their lives. What they see in their "near-death experience" is merely the result of their desperate brains hallucinating in an attempt to rationalize their situation — subconsciously, they know they might be dying and they see what they expect to see as a dying person.

>>10386446
textbook npc response

>>10387133
based

death is just the beginning, dear pippin

>>10386201
>>10386201
>revealing information they shouldnt know
Never happened

>>10386446
not the extent of secrets beyond what is cultural historical or immediately environmental, bed ridden people can't even fake this, you haven't even looked at peer studies have you
>>10387176
k

>>10388667
Feel free to cite a documented case of someone "knowing something they shouldn't have," or anything, really, that suggests the super natural (i know that's what this thread is about).

>>10386201
>Are near death experience accounts real?
of course they are. how can an account not be real? that's stupid. what's at question is not the account itself but what the account means. personally ive always thought the remarkable similarity of NDEs can probably be explained by our brains largely working the same way. if i hallucinate because my brain is being kickstarted back into consciousness and it's trying to figure out what the fuck just happened, whatever the weird experiences are as our brains come back online is probably going to be similar

>>10388688
go look up the millions of cases on youtube you lazy cunt, im not insecure enough to cherry pick shit for you, it is a known phenomenon for decades now, people predicting shit, reporting shit that happened while they were gone, meeting people they shouldnt know, having infomration they shouldnt know etc. the list goes on

>>10388693
the supernatural experience quote on quote is a separate issue to whats going on in the brain, they dont' have to be mutually exclusive

>>10386201
I thought it was obvious that the neurological shitfest going on when people are dying would be pretty similar across the board of humans

>>10386201
/sci/ has no valid input on this question op
there are a few theories that could explain it but there is no way of testing any of this or verifying anything, its not a question for science.

>>10388862
>My source is fucking YouTube

Go subscribe to Jeranism. He proves earth is flat

>>10388862
>it is a known phenomenon for decades now
lol

>>10388865
The same thing happens in different ways. Sometimes it's just absolutely nothing.

>>10388867
It is in-principle testable, but good luck getting an ethics committee to allow temporarily rendering people clinically dead just to see if they see some weird stuff at some point.

>>10388873
Nobody is disputing the near death experiences, they are arguing over what is actually going on. I suppose you could keep killing and reviving the same guy over and over trying different kinds of things done to his brain to try and prevent certain things from happening to isolate what if any part of the physical brain is causing the sensations, though this really wouldnt do anything conclusive, it just would refine those ideas to specific parts of the brain rather than the brain in general.

>>10388878
We already know How failure to integrate the senses causes a sensation of leaving one’s body, usually above it.

>>10388868
i meant google for the peer reviewed scientific studies, my bad jimbo

>>10388882
different anon here, why is everyone conflating the occurence in the brain with the meta physical experience the person underwent? why cant they both have happened, you literally cant prove the latter and unironically need to have faith based of reasonable supporting evidence

>>10388883
Biggest study was the AWARE study, which turned up bupkis. What?

>>10386201
DMT

>>10388886
>different anon here, why is everyone conflating the occurence in the brain with the meta physical experience the person underwent? why cant they both have happened, you literally cant prove the latter and unironically need to have faith based of reasonable supporting evidence

>metaphysical

That’s a lot of /x/tard word salad. Activity in the brain has a causal relationship to qualia, so whatever is going on will be reflected neurologically.

>>10388878
this

the easier first step would be to scientifically explain what a hallucinogenic like DMT does to the brain

>>10388901
My larger shroom trips induce sensations somewhat comparable.

>>10388896
>neurologically
how is metaphysical word salad? one thing could be happening neurologically and something else could be happening in another plane, what ever you prove is occurring inside the brain doesnt disprove the validity of the experience you mong

I like this case
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html

https://exemplore.com/paranormal/The-Reincarnation-Of-Carl-Edon-And-His-Nazi-Airman-Past

>>10389047
Every time I almost go full atheist or have another existential crisis, stories like these bring me back to being agnostic.

Existence is fucking crazy.

>>10386201
The experience of your brain shutting down and things dying is probably real. No one knows if a near-death experience is similar to death because no ones come back to tell us what death was like.

>>10389072
You are basically me.

>>10386201

https://samharris.org/science-on-the-brink-of-death/

"(...) However, the deepest problem with drawing sweeping conclusions from the NDE is that those who have had one and subsequently talked about it did not actually die.

In fact, many appear to have been in no real danger of dying. And those who have reported leaving their bodies during a true medical emergency—after cardiac arrest, for instance—did not suffer the complete loss of brain activity. Even in cases where the brain is alleged to have shut down, its activity must return if the subject is to survive and describe the experience. In such cases, there is generally no way to establish that the NDE occurred while the brain was offline. (...)"

"(...) What is needed to establish the mind’s independence from the brain is a case in which a person has an experience—of anything—without associated brain activity. From time to time, someone will claim that a specific NDE meets this criterion. One of the most celebrated cases in the literature involves a woman, Pam Reynolds, who underwent a procedure known as “hypothermic cardiac arrest,” in which her core body temperature was brought down to 60 degrees, her heart was stopped, and blood flow to her brain was suspended so that a large aneurysm in her basilar artery could be surgically repaired. Reynolds reports having had a classic NDE, complete with an awareness of the details of her surgery. Her story has several problems, however. The events in the world that Reynolds reports having perceived during her NDE occurred either before she was “clinically dead” or after blood circulation had been restored to her brain. In other words, despite the extraordinary details of the procedure, we have every reason to believe that Reynolds’s brain was functioning when she had her experiences. (...)"

>>10388863
>quote on quote
It's "quote, unquote". Why are idiots that can't even speak their alleged native language so common? It's like they're a diamond dozen.

Who even gives a crap? Whether it's supernatural, metaphysical /x/ bullshit or just the fact that human brains are similar and ideas about death and the afterlife have been, in principle, very similar for centuries if not millennia, the fact of the matter is that a) death has no impact on the living until it actually happens, and b) whatever happens, WILL happen to you because you WILL eventually die.

>>10389080
Maybe you are me in a parallel world.

We can't and will never know for sure.

>>10389101
because

>consciousness is the result of the physical world
so we shape the physical world to "fit" to "our" consciousness

or

>the physical world is the result of consciousness
so we shape consciousness to let a "proper" world emerge

or

>a higher entity created both
so we serve the higher entity to reflect how its "ment to be"

Theres alot of buzz around NDE because people try to use it to explore a possible answer on the three. Or in the worst case justify there conclusion (thats why I dislike the stance of eben alexander for example)

I personally think all of the three interact with another but thats just my 2 cents...

>>10389119
Cool, so /x/tards use it as an """"explanation"""" to justify bullshit they want to believe in, that has nothing to do with death.

>>10389096
Pre-madonna detected. Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment: for all intensive purposes I think it's an honest mistake. Fuck , it's a doggy dog world out here.

>>10389124
yes pretty much.

Just dont be quick to discard it just because some idiots take it to far. It happens all the time in politics too..

>>10387176
>>10388688
>>10388862
>>10388870
>>10388883

http://www.horizonresearch.org/Uploads/Journal_Resuscitation__2_.pdf
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799193/m2/1/high_res_d/vol26-no1-33.pdf
https://www.amazon.com/Science-Near-Death-Experience-Consciousness-Survives/dp/1594773564/
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Does-Not-Die-Experiences/dp/0997560800/

And here is why you have not encountered this data before: https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799144/m2/1/high_res_d/vol21-no1-5.pdf

>>10388890

Not even at all, they got a semi-hit, it is just that the observation was not in a room with targets, but it was still beyond astronomically unlikely to just have been guessed by the NDEr.

>>10388894
>>10388901
>>10388910

https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc937961/m2/1/high_res_d/31-1_4_Potts.pdf

>>10389083

1. Clinical death is for all intents and purposes, in the context of this discussion, equivalent with irreversible death, because the brain has no chance of creating any experiences in either scenario.

2. If you delve deeper into the NDE case, it becomes apparent that Pam should not have been able to see and hear those things even if she had been perfectly awake: https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc461722/m2/1/high_res_d/30-1%20E%20Carter.pdf

>>10386201
i heard that seeing "the light" is because your brain shuts down all unnecessary parts of your body. when your eyesight gets blurry/shutdown you see that light.
keep in mind that your brain gets flooded with all kinds of drugs in that moment. you hallucinate like a maniac in a pool of lsd.

>>10389072
Maybe you're just retarded

>>10389203
>cardiac arrest results in mental trauma
>the limitations of NDE anecdotes
>some new age garbage book
>ditto
>a philosopher mascerading as a neoroscientist
So when are you going to provide evidence?

>>10388862
>providing specific examples is insecurity
The absolute state of your argument

>>10388863

I have two problems with your post, one, you said "quote on quote". I know you meant "quote unquote" which leads into my second problem, you could've just fucking used quotation marks, you're typing

>>10389690

Is there not an age limit for posting on 4chan, and is not 18?

Because you are literally behaving like a baby.Grow up and actually engage with the data.

>>10389823
>didnt even read the abstracts

>>10389867

>demonstrably did not even read the articles, let alone the books

Why did you even reply?

>>10388910
Continuing down this road this video enlightened me to what mushrooms do to the brain and the significance of them. If you can understand what this video lays down imagining what DMT might do neurologically becomes much less difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNR4o5JZEi0&t=5s

>>10386201
The accounts are real because they report what was seen.
I think you mean "do they coincide with objective reality":
protip:they do

>>10389203
you seem to know about NDEs
does hell exist?
im refraining from living it up because of fear of post-portem punishment.

>>10386201
I don't know any empirical methods of figuring out why, but I assume it has to do with what causes them in the first place (DMT, iirc). Regardless, they're not always that similar, there's tons of differences in how people claim to see heaven, my great grandfather claimed to go to heaven and his account was vastly different than a book I read onetime where a guy claimed to have gone to heaven, and that book's claim was different than people from other religions, and so on and so on.

>>10390563

There is absolutely no denying that some people have hellish NDEs, but the saving grace is that they always seem escapable and temporary. That is, as soon as we recognize that we want to go to heaven, we can just ask to go there, and we will, even if we find ourselves in a hellish experience. There is inter-subjective agreement among NDErs on this point.

But no, hell does not exist in the way we think about it. There are challenging dimensions that we can voluntarily chose to go to, but no one is forced to endure anything they do not want to experience, ever.

Live it up big time, my friend. Do drugs, do extreme sports, take chances and risks, and do whatever you want. And know that no matter how fun you may have here, you will have even more fun once you die, even if it is by suicide. There are literally no expectations on you to do anything at all, life is just like writing a book, or playing a video game, or creating a movie. Here are some illustrative videos by NDErs elaborating on these points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhANf60Y4Nk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-PLmMwl2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PX2x0FxDTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8szDkpcsM

>>10390596
I tried to suicide once.
now i dont wanna die but im willing to die before committing dishonor.
is there s-x after you die?
the christian idea of a celibate eternity has started to terrify me.

>>10386201
As someone who has had a near death experience (or two, or three) its literally your brain dumping chemicals and hormones to deal with it's own impending doom or severe trauma.
I could wax poetically about how I was outside of my body (and time) as the events happened. How I saw my life flash before my own eyes. The sense that I was jumping into a parallel reality where I survived whatever was happening. The dream like sense of things pulling away fast. The reason I don't is because even when it was happening I knew it was an altered state. I've revisted that same headspace on copius ammounts of acid and salvia.
The bottom line is that you should never trust your own subjective perception of the world around you is entirely accurate. Your percieved reality is a persistent hallucination projected onto the self based on highly selective stimulus from sense organs filtered through your brain where its stratifies and prioritizes the information for the consumption of your conscious self.
When you fuck with that fragile conditions with chemical imbalances your brain is going to spit weird shit back out at you. Shit that maybe shouldn't be taken as a reflection of objective reality.
I firmly believe that there is more on heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophies, but I also believe we're ill equipped to even begin to conceptualize things that have absolutely no familiar point of reference.

>>10390677
does the fact that fake gucci bags exist mean legit gucci bags dont exist?
your disgusting drug usage doesn't prove anything.

>>10389739
i like to be colloquial on chan bud, sue me u fat prick lel

>>10390624
>s-x
imagine being this much of a faggot

>>10390763
i REFUSE and DENY being a faggot

>>10390779
>now i dont wanna die but im willing to die before committing dishonor
what do you class as dishonor?

>>10390791
wasting Seed(semen)
i wont promise i wont rape anyone but ill promise i wont use a condom.

>>10390800
imagine ever actually considering raping another being, fascinating. celibacy shouldn't scare you considering you already tried to kill yourself, realistically you could have already ended your existence while celibate

>>10390820
I dont believing existence evers ends.

>>10390836
even if that were the case do you honestly believe that your own perception of existence will never cease? if you genuinely believed that existence could never end then in theory you'd have no reason to fear celibacy, let alone much else

>>10389690
The first article used "shelves" with images only visible from above placed in ER rooms, and a very small number of NDE patients could actually recall the contents of those images. Even if they had woken up on the bed and looked around right there, they would not have seen that data. This in spite of the fact that most of the full cardiac arrests occurred in rooms with no shelf images - one could imagine even more such reports if the experiment was run on all rooms.

That is pretty spooky shit, and utterly inexplicable from the "muh hallucinatshuns" attempt at explanation.

Real medical professionals in a respectable resuscitation journal as well.

You would have know this if you had read the fucking article.

>>10391572
this board is not for intelligentsia

>>10391572
>The first article used "shelves" with images only visible from above placed in ER rooms, and a very small number of NDE patients could actually recall the contents of those images.
This is a straight up lie. The AWARE study clearly states that no one even had an out of body experience in any of the rooms with shelves.

>>10391594
It was called "visual awareness" in the article, and there were a few cases.

>>10391596
Yeah there were only two NDE cases with visual awareness in the study and neither were in rooms with shelves. You're parroting something made up by some fringe site and you haven't even read the study, you moronic hypocrite.

>>10391607

>>10386201
I had multiple dreams when I was 2 or 3 about recurring locations and things I couldn't have known about directly. The first one I'm walking down a long flight of cement stairs in a near completely cement structure. Every landing where the direction reversed has a fluorescent tube light in a meta cage. I'm walking down these stairs, and finally I reach the bottom where there's a hole in the wall. It's a cave, the ceiling is not visible, the walls are barely visible. There's an elevated path and then a sharp drop off on either side, can't see the bottom. There are multicolored angular loops over the pathway every so often. I walk for a while. I get the end of the pathway, and there's a large shimmering orb. At least, that's what I think it was. That's where the dream ended and it's the only part I'm not sure about. I woke up in my crib and thought I should go to my parents. I climbed up on the edge and fell over the side. I remember seeing the room "flip" and I landed on my back. It was quite a fall. I remember I had the strangest feeling and that there was no pain when I hit.

After that point I dreamed about anther city that was loosely based on a real one nearby (small city). I was always confused and had difficulty navigating because there were places that to me definitely should be there, but just weren't and I couldn't override my inability to place them. One was a large concrete canal with a river in it. Steel crossbeams overhead. This was at the edge of town where an interstate is (running along the river). The edges were too steep to traverse. On one side there was a narrow (like a meter and a 1/4 wide) path that ran the length of it. I remember walking down this path, many times. I was afraid of the water, it seemed like something had happened. Other dreams I was drowning. I found out my uncle drowned in that river in roughly the spot this place was supposed to be. There is a concrete dam.

>>10391731
In the February thaw him and some friends went over the dam. He was a good swimmer. He was trapped in the undertow.

That version of the city would continue to recur but it became larger and more variable. I can still remember these places in near photographic detail, and after some dreams I've actually been disoriented for a few days trying to bridge the life I had there and my present one. Have the urge to go to a job that doesn't exist via a route that isn't there, and so on.

A number of other things make me suspect that this "reality isn't entirely "real", I do have the feeling that I have a real body and it's somewhere else. Probably not spatially in this universe, it's outside the universe. Every once in a while I catch a flash of my own face out of nowhere, like I'm seeing my reflection in a tank. I've had periods where I felt like I could just step out of time and my entire life would compress to this tiny instant that I could run through almost instantly, with the lingering concern that the universe is going to loop back on itself and I'm going to have to live and die over and over again.

Anyway, I don't know. There's definitely something going on. The other thing to bear in mind is that there are subtle mechanisms of state change in the brain which do not require metabolism or measurable electrical activity in the brain. Hard materialism does work, these are, as we presently know, most "water memory". This could be transduced and transcribed when metabolic activity and blood flow resumes. The skin also emits and absorbs highly coherent UV and millimeter waves. This is likely how "extraocular perception" (reading text through folded paper with the hands) and "remote action" work. Don't ask about remote viewing, I don't know. That suggests the hard material explanation is as wrong as it feels.

>>10390624

Yeah, Christianity is basically an anti-sex cult. While many people imagine the afterlife as some ultra-lame place with cherubs playing harps, the reality is that there are endless fields of every kind of orgy you can possibly imagine as every conceivable type of creature; human, animal, alien, or non-physical.

The reality is that people actually party in the afterlife. Hard. All the time. There are also endless fields of eternal metal concerts, etc.

>>10386446
>>10388693
>>10389083

How to be bluepilled as fuck.

>>10386446
You dont know this, but you still believe ilin it

OK I'm gonna rip da band-aid off for all of you my little tiny chafing baby brothers.

IMAGINE STILL THINKING CONSCIOUSNESS IS IN-BRAIN
Inb4 "define consciousness" , fuck you

>>10391611
?

>>10392304
I sure hope there's K-pop in the afterlife

>>10390844
on the contrary-
precisely because i know existence never ends is that i fear celibacy,which would co-exist with me.

>>10392798

There is. People actually look even more gorgeous than this by default in the afterlife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVCubhQ454c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoYoBtLqOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OrCA1OInoo

>>10392871
Youre a pretty cool guy

>>10391770
>The reality is that people actually party in the afterlife. Hard. All the time.
But what's the point? Just meaningless partying for eternity?
t. would commit suicide in the afterlife.

>>10391572
>and a very small number of NDE patients could actually recall the contents of those images.
WRONG
/x/

>>10386201

I attempted suicide last year. Slit wrists and massive blood loss. It got to the point where I would be completely lucid then move about ten feet and pass out, wake (Sometimes vomiting) moments later. I repeated this process for several hours. When I was blacked out nothing happened I didn't feel anything, didn't respond to anything. I think near death experiences are a mental projection and they are so rare because most people who get near dying, just like I have, only black out and don't experience anything as they are passed out.

>>10393763

Well, what is the point of any conceivable existence if not to enjoy it, be infinitely happy, loved, loving, content, exploring, curious, ecstatic, fun-loving, etc? What could possibly be more meaningful than that? Doing what you're told to do by some cosmic agent who hands out arbitrary purposes, missions, or queests for you to fulfill?

The purpose of all existence or all reality is to enjoy it as much as possible, and the word enjoy should be understood in its widest possible sense here of course. I don't know about you, but if I were to swim in an ocean of infinite love and happiness forever, I wouldn't exactly complain of a lack of meaning.

>>10394156
NDEs is a bad name.
They are to called PDEs(post death experiences)
Since you didnt actually die your input is irrelevant

>>10386201
>Are near death experience accounts real
Yes.

>>10394770

Post death isn't experienced.

>>10394774
thanks

>>10390596
Pretty sure governments and powerful people around the world are aware of our true selves and the nature of reality. I think they use this existence like their personal playground, they keep everyone else in the dirt while they live it up. They got scared that people would find out in the 60s(maybe this is when they themselves found out) because psychedelics can show us it.

This is probably how they can be comfortable with all the horrible shit they do.

>>10395453
Yes it is.
Dont be lazy and research

>>10386201
>flat earth, electric universe, antivaxxers, global warming denial, RF retards, god of the gaps tards
>now, outright pure paranormal shit
Not mathematics.
Not science.
E N O U G H, you shizo freaks!
Fuck off anyday, you have a whole containment board for your kind.
>>>/x/

>>10396037
we are trying to examine the relationship between these paranormal occurrences and the occurrences in the brain at the time of the experiences, isn't that what life is all about anyway, the relationship between occurrences and experiences, it's pure logic

>>10396037
Circumcised?

>>10396037

>Not science.

Science is a methodological process of discovering truths about reality. Insofar as science is an objective process of discovery, it is, and must be, metaphysically neutral. Insofar as science is not metaphysically neutral, but instead weds itself to a particular metaphysical theory, such as materialism, it cannot be an objective process for discovery. There is much confusion on this point, because many people equate science with materialist metaphysics, and phenomena that fall outside the scope of such metaphysics, and hence cannot be explained in physical terms, are called "unscientific." This is a most unfortunate usage of the term. For if souls and spirits are in fact a part of reality, and science is conceived epistemologically as a systematic investigation of reality, then there is no reason why science cannot devise appropriate methods to investigate souls and spirits. But if science is defined in terms of materialist metaphysics, then, if souls and spirits are real, science, thus defined, will not be able to deal with them. But this would not be because souls and spirits are unreal, but rather because this definition of science in terms of materialist metaphysics has semantically excluded nonphysical realities from its scope.

Peter and Elizabeth Fenwick used the term "science" in this metaphysical sense when they wrote:

So far we've taken a largely scientific, and therefore a rather limited view of the NDE. We've been looking at mechanism, and almost every thing we have said has been based on the assumption that the NDE takes place in or is constructed by the brain. We've confined 'mind' to the brain because, scientifically,... we have no other option. When the brain dies, the mind dies; the scientific view does not allow for the possibility of a soul, or for any form of personal survival after death. It is only by looking at some non-scientific views that we might find a wider explanation of the NDE.... (Fenwick and Fenwick,

>>10396037
>>10396717

1997, p.249)

If the term "materialistic" is substituted for "scientific," then the above passage is an accurate statement with which I have no quarrel. The last sentence becomes: "It is only by looking at nonmaterialistic views that we might find a wider explanation of the NDE...." And this is absolutely correct. Materialism is a woefully inadequate framework in terms of which to understand the NDE. And, I wish to insist, it is science itself, understood epistemologically as a metaphysically neutral method of inquiry, that has discovered the limitations of materialism. After all, the primary researchers in the field are not philosophers or theologians, but well-trained scientists and physicians, who, using stan dard scientific methodology, have been forced by their data to conclude that materialism cannot be the whole truth.

Source: https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799144/m2/1/high_res_d/vol21-no1-5.pdf

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https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc461747/m2/1/high_res_d/28-4%20FINAL%20GROSSMAN%20BR.pdf

A good book review of The Handbook of Near-Death Experiences, that is informative in and of itself.

Is there an accepted religious explanation for why near-death experiences happen? At least in the standard Judeo-Christian conception of religion, it makes no goddamn sense. God must know you're not actually going to die. It's not like you're pulling a fast one on him. Why is he showing you heaven?

>>10395471
Doesn't mean that they aren't just weird dreams

>>10388862
>millions of cases on youtube
this bullshit belongs in /x/, faggot

>>10400280
as your lifeforce energy level drops to a point of near no return, like a rubber band getting pulled back to the point of almost snapping, you taste the other side and are sprung back into this plane.

>>10397171
even if it is all physical, an available energy, not everything can be measured or we will never have the means to do so.

>>10400280
>why is god doing whatever the fuck he wants
hmmm thats a tuffy

>>10400280
>Is there an accepted religious explanation for why near-death experiences happen?

No, there is not. This is a large reason why religions do not like the NDE, and Neal Grossman elaborates on this point quite at length in the 5th article linked here >>10389203.

>Why is he showing you heaven?

Because a sane god, and one that we actually have evidence that he/she/it exists, clearly does not think that it is epistemically unreasonable to know that there is an afterlife, or that such knowledge somehow neglects life's purpose. After all, NDErs do know that there is an afterlife and live their lives accordingly, and god or the afterlife does not freak out about it.

Living a life where you do not know that there is an afterlife gives you a different perspective from living a life where you do know that there is an afterlife, and what it feels like to be there.

And since one major reason we are here is to explore life from many different perspectives - albeit one life at a time - it is necessary to live life from all perspectives. We will all live future lives as atheists, religious, spiritual, agnostic, apatheistic, etc., and we have all lived such lives in the past already. Believing in the reality of the video game you are finding yourself in just makes it all the more fun and immersive, and is not necessarily a bad thing.

>>10400280
What if the "other side" they experience in a NDE isn't the REAL other side but just another part of THIS story

So, basically every person has a life story and this "seeing the afterlife" was part of it, but it's only a story afterlife and not the real thing. It's like the afterlife in a movie, you know it's not the real afterlife but for the purposes of the story it doesn't matter

>>10390596
I believed it at first but then I realized most of these people are way too into new ageism and /x/ related shit so I'm guessing it's just more of that than anything real.

I guess the most I can do is wait until I die and see for myself.

>>10386201
It's fake. All brains are alike therefore it creates the same experiences on idle.

>>10404054
hunh..