/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10379451
Yea thats why so many libtards are in the city. The government is already controlling them with WiFi. Btw, less vote bernie 2020! Come on guys. Its gonna be very based!

>>10379451
yeah go where there is none you can feel the difference. so if you can physically feel it of course it is having an effect. its not really fair because its not something you have a choice about. fuck wireless. shielding and wired connections are good for health, faster and also more secure

What about EM radiation from outer space? There is no proof of it having any effect.

>>10379478
Confirmation bias. Prove it in a lab.

>>10379451
>every person living in a city has at least 10 separate light bulbs and hundreds of other light sources, including high powered sodium vapor lights emitting light radiation around them 24/7.

Why are people inc cities not all dead yet?

>>10379478
Please describe the physical feeling.

Reminder that if you don't feed the schizo, he'll eventually leave.

>>10379451
It does have an impact but we’re not allowed to talk about it in the public sphere. I’m serious. You have to go outside of the US mostly for studies pertaining to the dangers of prolonged exposure to EMF.

NASA and the Navy did actually do studies showing the dangers but here we still are.

Here’s a German one
https://www.emfanalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/German-Report-on-878-Russian-EMF-Health-Studies.pdf

Here’s a Harvard pdf by Norm Alster
http://ethics.harvard.edu/files/center-for-ethics/files/capturedagency_alster.pdf

Here’s the NASA one
https://www.emfanalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/NASA-report-on-EMF-effects-on-human-body.pdf

>>10379549
>im schizophrenic because i believe energy does something to matter

>>10379644
Wim hof already knows about this.
>who wim hof

The guy who produces dmt naturally in his body and climbed mount everst in his shorts.

>>10379644
>implying facts and data can prove anything

>>10379645
what effect does visible light have on glass?

>>10379451
why does it have to be bad though?
it could have a good effect and we all turn into x-men or something

>>10379451
>>10376943

Microwaves don't posses the energy to alter human DNA. It's physics 101.

>>10379787
Why is it no matter how many times this is explained, people are still asking? This board can't get that much traffic.

Where were you when you realized the average 4chan poster suffers from mental illness?

>>10379451
Prove it. I contend that none of those signals can ionize particles with their energy levels.

>>10379825
When i read the DSM V and found that every conceivable expression of the self is a mental disorder

>>10379787
Yep, that's why I put my head in the microwave to warm up on cold winter days.

>>10379840
Only if the expression lasts for at least six months.

>>10379850
having a wildy changing and inconsistent personality is also a mental disorder

>>10379854
Then this "Anonymous" guy really needs to be locked away in an asylum somewhere.

>>10379856
LoL

>>10379838
The pulse modulated field causes a motion of the charge groups in the extracellular space. This in effect repeatedly reconstitutes the input signal and propagates it deeper. That space is a highly conductive solution trapped between very good resistors, the plasma membranes. This field acts on the voltage sensing subunit of the calcium channel, causing the channel to open. This leads to chronically elevated intracellular calcium and a number of downstream effects which eventually spillover to a pathophysiological pathway as certain systems are overwhelmed, elevated free radical production and in some cell types glutathione depletion, results. This is also known as oxidative and nitrosative stress. This is what does the damage.

There are other effects, but this is the main one. A few posts will follow. Work in progress, hasn't changed much.

>>10379890
But it's not ionizing so it's not a problem.

>>10379890

[m] = mediafire
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

California Medical Association, resolution 107-14
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1020824247004/10%20-%20California%20Medical%20Association%20Resolution-highlighted.pdf

Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GiFMJVl6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i-Ki5dFXdI
^(This channel contains a lot of presentations from researchers who have been in this field for a long time. I recommend going through them.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxGjKuKOU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLynbr5iPc

White house disposition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBbY8fvTidU

Literature sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802593
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26300312
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29573716
http://cyrusfarivar.com/docs/WiFi%20Health/EBBE-review.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1482415

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8388394

Information on the physiological and pathophysiological pathways of NO. That covers Ca2+ overload, NO synthases, NO's reactions eg with superoxide at a rate 5x faster than the latter can be removed by superoxide dismutase.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17237348
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18715148

Effect Threshold Lists:
https://maisonsaine.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/CAVI_Society_attachment.pdf
https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=171428&x=..

1996 Telecommunications act, section 704 subsection II clause iv.
"No State or local government or instrumentality thereof may regulate the placement, construction, and modification of personal wireless service facilities on the basis of the environmental effects of radio frequency emissions to the extent that such facilities comply with the Commission's regulations concerning such emissions."
https://transition.fcc.gov/Reports/tcom1996.pdf

>>10379934
How we got here:
Allan Frey (Microwave auditory effect, BBB permeability research)
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/opinion-cell-phone-health-risk-40449
[m] Adey 2002 - Re NASNRC PAVE PAWS Committee Meeting, Woods Hole, Sept 9, 2002

FCC:
http://ethics.harvard.edu/files/center-for-ethics/files/capturedagency_alster.pdf
WHO doesn't expose itself and is industry captured:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28656257
UN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT4vsQvfVwI

Historical reviews, symposiums, declassified documents, etc:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF
These are not just trivia, or irrelevant intermediary stages of the field. There's a lot of informative stuff in here.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132.pdf

Irreversible infertility:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9261543

General theory:
http://www.stopglobalwifi.org/documents/2001_kositsky_et_al._-_ussr_review.pdf
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521096402.pdf

In vivo DNA damage in humans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29667447

Behavioral changes with prenatal exposure:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22428084

>>10379941
There are some implications with autism. Along with birthing procedures, wireless devices likely have a causative role.

Pulsed microwave fields, ie the emissions from wireless devices, alter calcium flux in cells. This leads to chronically elevated intracellular Ca2+ and certain effects on Ca2+ domains in the extracellular space.

There is a genetic polymorphism of the gene encoding parts of the calcium channel, called Timothy Syndrome, which cause it to be overactive leading to the same chronically elevated intracellular Ca2+, and these individuals will near universally present with autism. So we know that the calcium aspect -alone- can produce autism. Further, calcium is involved in dendritic spine formation, axonal guidance, and myriad other processes particularly active during second trimester neurodevelopment. These devices also cause increased free radical generation, oxidative and nitrosative stress. This will also harm the brain of the developing fetus. Further microwave emissions increase the permeability of the blood brain barrier, so much that albumin staining is seen in experimental animals exposed to cell phones in use right now. This will let more toxic junk into the brain. They also tune the bacteria in the digestive system for virulence and selectively kill off some good bacteria. This will majorly mess with the developing brain and immune system.

Sources on that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_syndrome
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part11.pdf
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part2.pdf

There are also potential effects on the timing and mechanics of the hormonal surge required for proper synaptic pruning.

>>10379890
Even if there were enough energy in EM waves to cause any significant motion in ions, how exactly would this have any effect on calcium channels? You didn't explain that very well.

>>10379890
>>10379934
>>10379941
>>10379949
Lol, now explain why radio waves and microwaves are harmful. Hint, they aren't.

>>10379753
Okay, cia nigger

>>10379985
The calcium channel's voltage sensor is designed to resist random thermal noise. However with an imposed field, all of its charge groups can be pulled in the same direction at the same time, activating it. The voltage sensor triggers opening of the transmembrane pore of the channel.

This is covered in some of the citations above.

>>10379949
5G is a major threat. It's harmful on multiple fronts, health, privacy, societal structure. Focusing on health.

Millimeter waves are bad for humans, likely lethal for smaller animals. Unfortunately unlike existing technologies, which are no safer, data on millimeter waves is comparatively sparse. But among the data available there are some consistent and clear trends.

The primary mechanism for existing microwave systems is increased free radical generation, changes in gene expression, and altered calcium flux. It's not known if millimeter waves work precisely the same way, but it is known:
-The structure of human sweat glands is a helical coil. When filled with sweat (a conductive salt solution) it turns out this is a quite functional antenna array for millimeter waves
-Once in the body attenuation is very low according to USSR literature. Millimeter waves propagate easily through the extracellular space, preserving in particular their "information" content. Structures in the body are capable of demodulating these signals.
-The geometry of the plasma membrane changes in response, and maintains this change long after irradiation has ceased.
-It changes the structure of the skin, alters the blood, alters bone marrow and lymphatic function, cripples the immune system, prevents the production of vitamin D, and demyelinates nerves as well as rendering their axons fragmented. Yes, it strips off the insulation and chops up the wires. You can expect destruction of peripheral nerves including the spine.
-Damage to the eyes

>>10380022
https://ehtrust.org/letter-fcc-dr-yael-stein-md-opposition-5g-spectrum-frontiers/
https://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-phoneswireless/5g-networks-iot-scientific-overview-human-health-risks/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18517913

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF
In this link, look at the book [Studies in Soviet science] Pathological effects of Radio waves[...].pdf
Read the section on low intensity millimeter waves.

And refer to these documents:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp88b01125r000300120005-6
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00792r000100070001-9

>>10380017
>However with an imposed field, all of its charge groups can be pulled in the same direction at the same time, activating it
I don't understand. First you were talking about ions in the extracellular space but now you're talking about charge groups within the sensor itself? Could you draw a diagram for me please? Even if this were true, wouldn't it lead to seizures from neurons firing uncontrollably from the calcium flooding? This doesn't appear to be happening on a large scale.

>>10380025
>First you were talking about ions in the extracellular space but now you're talking about charge groups within the sensor itself?
Both are involved.

>Could you draw a diagram for me please?
A video would probably be more helpful.

The motion of charges in the extracellular space is how the signal penetrates so deeply, it's repeatedly reconstituting itself. The field created by this propagating motion of charge acts on other charged structures, in this case the relevant one being the charges in the calcium channel's voltage sensor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjt0iJThPU0

I recommend looking into he work of Bawin and Adey at UCLA's brain research institute, in particular their 16Hz AM calcium efflux studies. That launch all kinds of ion cyclotron resonance research, which constitutes a different type of effect. Another model deals with "acoustic ruffling" and pretty much has certain transmembrane proteins being capable of solitonic transmission, and this causing effects at certain frequencies. A paper linked above goes into this a bit.

>seizures
A lot of literature investigated effects on seizure threshold and kindling. It would appear it can provoke seizures in epileptics.

>>10380042
This is the video I was looking for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ATQF8omdI

>>10380049
Thanks for posting, found some new info I didn’t have before.

Personally in your life, how are you handling the problem? My uncle has a aluminum room that is sealable that he sleeps in, no joke.

>>10379766
it will heat up the glass

>>10380058
I've considered doing what your uncle has done. Right now I have a WiMax tower nearby, but not too close. The tower actually has quite a bit of colocation that's gone on with it, more antennas than FCC registrations appear to cover.

I started to put up aluminum foil but there really isn't a good way to do it. I ought to just cover the walls and block out the windows and get it over with.

My main approach is just antioxidant and calcium channel blocker intake. NAC, acetyl-l-carnitine, vitamins E and C, CoQ10, selenium, magnesium, omega-3s. Various herbs. Phenibut or lavender for calcium channel blocking, occasional ginseng.

Otherwise I minimize how much I'm around it. I don't hang around in proximity to anyone who's decided to carry around an emitter. Not much else to be done. Things have become notably worse since I moved here, pretty steadily. I live in a more rural area, not sure how people in the city do it. None of us are going to be doing anything much longer if we don't rapidly change direction.

>>10380058
Interesting video but he doesn't seem to mention the power levels involved in any of these studies. I'm only 12 minutes in. That's a crucial factor that he's omitting.

>>10380098
I don't recall if he goes into power density or pulse characteristics, beyond it being athermal. It seems to be a general effect. Some of the papers I linked go into thresholds for certain observed effects.

>>10379451
There’s thousands of neutrinos passing through me. I never feel a damn thing.

>>10380092
Your schizophrenia is fascinating.

>>10380149
Sometimes I feel like I'm dealing with a high schooler.

>>10380218
Just live in the forest. Wim hof knows about negative ions.

If you hate 5g, get off the grid and move to a tropical rainforrest

>>10379451
>>>/x/ nigger

>>10380218
A high schooler would be able to know that non-ionizing photons that pass through us aren’t going to do anything to us.

>>10380254
Saying it enough times will make it true.

>>10380263
Hence religion.

>>10380263
It is true since that’s how physics work, little one.

>>10380267

>>10380092
Despite the overwhelming evidence from authoritative sources(NASA, Navy, Harvard, CIA, Soviets, renowned PhDs, professors/etc), this will always be an uphill battle convincing the masses, friend. It’s just too inconvenient to be true, too many people love their social media. It’s a disease. I’m personally looking to make a layman box or at least go camping significantly more often than I did before.

Anyway, thanks for posting all the sourceS, I provided my little 3 sources. Shows how little I knew prior to the thread! I appreciate you and all that you do. I’d buy you a buy if I could! Fuck!

Stay safe and sane out there.

>>10379451
There is every way it has zero effect on biology.

Why dont we just take a hundred lab rats and blast them with 100x the EM radiation levels in question?
Then we look at what happens to them and say well, okay mice are more robust and biologically simple so let's reduce the effect by a factor of 10.
That should clearly show you if it does sth to animals or not lile wtf

>>10379469
GTFO /pol/itard

>>10379540
visible light doesn't go through every single cell or molecule

There are so many liberals because of exactly this reason. The Jews are controlling them via WiFi signals

>>10379548
it is a "heavier" feeling. like a pressure, or like dirty air (turbulence). go somewhere where its not youll see what i mean.
>>10379521
i could do that but i dont need to because i know. and if you ask others you get the same response. if you need to prove it with measured evidence then someone could.

>>10381250
electrosensitivity has been studied many times in laboratory conditions and it has never been demonstrated.

>>10379787
you're wrong, it's not all about energy anyway. geometry and tings matter.

>>10381256
just because someone can't consciously perceive or explain something doesn't mean that nothing is happening. it would also depend on the individual. not everything is measureable either.
also who funded the studies? there is plenty of scientific studies showing the effects on health anyway.
>Microwave frequency exposure is a relatively new phenomenon: 100 years ago the background radiation was millions of times lower than it is now
global daily electricity use is about 60 billion watts. you really think it has zero effect?

>>10381287
*kilowatts

t.retards with no sources

> it just FEELS like there should be an impact

>>10381287
Of course, if it had zero effect then, millions of times zero is still zero.

>>10381193
>via WiFi signals
No, we use BLE now. That's why they all have AirPods in.

>>10379451
but it's making a lot of ((($$$))) so it'll be allowed to stand just like leaded gasoline and asbestos insulation

>>10381492
>needs sources to be able to think