/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10376527
I believe god is a word we can freely use to feel connected to the unknown. I think it is also a word we can use to feel confident that there is meaning, purpose, and direction to existence.

>>10376527
No.

Einstein believed in God. But he believed in God as less and entity and more a realm, much like the realm we occupy, but "higher". Meaning that this higher realm determines the laws that govern ours. As such, I'm somewhat partial to believing in such a thing.

>>10376538
Why not? What do you believe in? What do you know? What do you think you know? What do you feel? What do you think?

>>10376548
science.

>>10376527
Yes, and I hate him every day. However, love or hate, to him it matters not, so long as you respect him. The arch-typical, father.

>>10376542
How platonic.

>>10376553
Good answer.

>>10376527
yes the world is composed of ideas and people who believe in this idea can affect this world

>>10376527
Yes, my solution to all problems is goats & violence.

>>10376527
Yes. See the Aristotelian proof of God.

>>10376527
I don't have beliefs, so no.

>>10376594
If you don't have beliefs then you are dead, waiting to die, or actively planning your suicide.

>>10376601
Or just living?

>>10376608
Living without beliefs is waiting to die.

>>10376618
What if one lives...without knowing one will die?

>>10376624
Then you are a cat or dog or something.

>>10376631
:3

>>10376527
Yes I believe in God. I trust the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was telling the truth about the Quran.

http://www.onereason.org/liar-deluded-or-truthful/

The site above presents the main argument I agree with.

>>10376647
There are a billion moslems in the world. Yet any time someone professes their faith in the prophet muhammad on the internet he/she is automatically baiting. It's just an interesting observation. I have nothing further to add to this post.

>>10376657
sounds like the world would be better off with 1 billion less people

>>10376618
>Can't justify their existence without a magic man in an old storybook telling them what to think
Big yikes

>>10376701
see
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>>10376534
so like Rubber duck debugging

>>10376714
wut

Yes. I had an ominous dream that simultaneously terrified and inspired me.

>>10376714
oh fuck ya bro, I looked it up. exactly like that.

>>10376704
>I think it is also a word we can use to feel confident that there is meaning, purpose, and direction to existence.
Why should there be confidence in any of those? Besides your own desire of course.

>>10376721
>Besides your own desire of course.

Not besides my own desire, exactly because of my own desire. I don't want to be a whiny little bitch nihilistic atheist anti-natalist efilism faggotboy. I want to feel direction, meaning, purpose, value. Do you not? Or are you caught up in pathetic depression disguised as philosophy or deluded depth?

>>10376728
No I just live my life as it comes.
Needing to justify your existence with some magical universal laws is what the weak to explain their weakness.
Your petty ad hominem attack is quite revealing. You ascribe all of these characteristics to me because they describe your own insecurities. You can't fathom living without your fabricated existential crutches, and attack those who can.

>>10376721
As far as I'm concerned, meaning/purpose/direction in an individual life can only exist if said individual has some (relatively grounded or supported) hint or hunch that human can go on well into the future. And by well into the future, I mean cosmic timescales. Something closer to universe's expiration date, not the sun's or the solar system's. This is what is meant when someone says that you need "belief" or "hope" or "faith" to go on living in the present. Anyone who believes it absent some of credible evidence that it will happen this way is a credulous peasant. You don't want to be that person. And there are many of them already alive now. God bless their ignorant souls. As far as I can tell, though, there are no well-grounded hints that we will survive for so long. Therefore, I believe most of living now are just marking time and waiting for death.

>>10376721
As far as I'm concerned, meaning/purpose/direction in an individual life can only exist if said individual has some (relatively grounded or supported) hint or hunch that human can go on well into the future. And by well into the future, I mean cosmic timescales. Something closer to universe's expiration date, not the sun's or the solar system's. This is what is meant when someone says that you need "belief" or "hope" or "faith" to go on living in the present. Anyone who believes it absent some of credible evidence that it will happen this way is a credulous peasant. You don't want to be that person. And there are many of them already alive now. God bless their ignorant souls. As far as I can tell, though, there are no well-grounded hints that we will survive for so long. Therefore, I believe most of us living now are just marking time and waiting for death.

>>10376721
As far as I'm concerned, meaning/purpose/direction in an individual life can only exist if said individual has some (relatively grounded or supported) hint or hunch that human life can go on well into the future. And by well into the future, I mean cosmic timescales. Something closer to universe's expiration date, not the sun's or the solar system's. This is what is meant when someone says that you need "belief" or "hope" or "faith" to go on living in the present. Anyone who believes it absent some of credible evidence that it will happen this way is a credulous peasant. You don't want to be that person. And there are many of them already alive now. God bless their ignorant souls. As far as I can tell, though, there are no well-grounded hints that we will survive for so long. Therefore, I believe most of us living now are just marking time and waiting for death.

>>10376740
I can fathom living my life in any which way shape or form, i'm more adaptable and flexible than you I assure you. Reality is right here in front of us. There is meaning, direction, and purpose everywhere. Magic is your word. I'm based in reality. I don't subscribe to anything other than my own observations of reality, and "magical" doesn't even come close to accurately describing the magnificent, beautiful, and treacherous place we reside in. fuck you.

>>10376747
>>10376759
mother fucking double posting anon fucking gets it better than I do, hell ya

The 'meaning' debate sounds so much like what depressives talk about. They are constantly weighing whether they should stay alive or take their own lives.

>>10376759
>As far as I'm concerned, meaning/purpose/direction in an individual life can only exist if said individual has some (relatively grounded or supported) hint or hunch that human life can go on well into the future.
Why not just live for yourself, or do what you find interesting at the moment? Does there need to be any deeper purpose to living than being alive? Our ancestors seemed to do just fine for thousands of years, as does all of the other life on Earth, to our knowledge.

>>10376728
>>10376768
Your views are naive, which is the issue. There is no meaning or purpose behind life being nothing but horrible suffering for many billions of living creatures.

>>10376728
>>10376768
Your views are naive, which is the issue. There is no meaning or purpose behind life being nothing but horrible suffering for many billions of living creatures.

>>10376527
Yes, but I find it hard to reconcile my scepticism with the Bible.

>>10376807
>Why not just live for yourself
Most people just live for themselves when they are selfish children (here I define "children" as people as old as 25 or even 30 years old, depending) then they find that they simply can't do that anymore. What is left for such people? Well, they must find MEANING.

>>10376527
Yes, I do.
Aside from personal experiences, there are a range of metaphysical and historical arguments out there that I think justify it.
Debating this seems pointless though, because we can't test it.

>>10376807
Thinking about the nature of reality is one of the most interesting things to do in the moment. What could possibly be more interesting than pondering how everything came to be? Where everything came from? Where everything is going to end up? What life's role in the universe is? Life is the most interesting things imaginable, and it's real. You don't have to imagine it. What the fuck is life? Why the fuck is life? How the fuck is life?

Shit's just crazy yo. I mean, don't get me wrong. Living in the moment like a stupid animal is fun too. Not only is it fun, it's necessary. More often than not more necessary than naval gazing. But life has come a long way. We have come a long way. We have the space to think. We have the security and comfort to think. We have the capacity to think. Thinking is fun.

>>10376823
>life has come a long way. We have come a long way. We have the space to think. We have the security and comfort to think. We have the capacity to think
And that's why we should do so.

>>10376813
They never really lived for themselves. They lived how others told them to live and followed that path until they were miserable and disillusioned.
Living for yourself doesn't need to be selfish either. You can help others, perform useful services, and progress society all while doing what you want.

No. simply because I haven't experienced anything that even hints towards anything greater but this horrible material reality.

>>10376836
Living for yourself is by selfish by definition.

>>10376836
Living for yourself is selfish by definition.

>>10376845

If you don't live for yourself you're self-destructive. You must figure out a way to live for yourself in a manner that benefits others and the environment. To not be selfish and self-serving is lunacy. To only be selfish and self-serving is detestable. Must find a balance.

>>10376845
Everyone lives for themselves once you examine their motivations hard enough. Even the most selfless person is driven because they cannot live with the knowledge that someone else is suffering.

>>10376852
anon speaks the truth

>>10376527
Yes. See video related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w