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>durr im gonna write this book in a language that my first initial audience in England isn't going to understand, instead of well English

brainlet tier decision

>> No.10357704

The written word belongs in Latin to keep plebs like you from reading it. Why do you think the bible remained untranslated for some 1100 years? The moment the translated it into plebs language, everything went for shit. Scientific literature being in the vernacular is the reason we had #MarchForScience and Bill Nye. Consider euthanasia.

>> No.10357828

>>10357661
Read Opticks, far better book than Principia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opticks

>> No.10357835

>>10357704
>Why do you think the bible remained untranslated for some 1100 years? The moment the translated it into plebs language, everything went for shit.
This is a protestant myth.
>Scientific literature being in the vernacular is the reason we had #MarchForScience and Bill Nye.
implying they read scientific literature in the first place
implying their problem isn't that don't read scientific literature
>Consider euthanasia
That's against the Hippocratic oath.

>> No.10357860

>>10357828
>>10357828
Read Micrographia, far better book than anything Newton ever came up with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micrographia

>> No.10357885

>>10357828
lol no

>> No.10357961

Old scientists used to write in Latin in order to communicate with each other country to country. Scientists in Germany, Italy and France would understand the Latin

>> No.10358091
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>>10357961

EVERY educated man read and wrote in Latin, the language you SPOKE, to the common people, was considered vulgar and used for unenlightened purposes

>> No.10358113

>>10357661
>brainlet tier decision
No. Latin (or New Latin) was the way that European academics communicated with each other back then. He didn't write the Principia in Latin to posture himself as a fancy intellectual or to be obscure. The common plebe wouldn't have been able to understand its contents anyway, and it's not like he'd have needed to prove that he was an educated man in writing Latin after having co-discovered calculus of all things.

>> No.10358177

>>10358091
>the language you SPOKE, to the common people, was considered vulgar
vulgar, from Latin vulgāris, "of the commoners"

>> No.10358859

>>10357661
>durr im gonna write this book in a language that my first initial audience in [motherland] isn't going to understand, instead of well [motherlingo]

>> No.10358869

It was very nice of academics to use latin and not English, because now they've started using English they're it (and bizarrely are considered some sort of expert)

>> No.10358871

>>10358869
destroying it*

>> No.10358879

>>10357661
Latin was the lingua franca. Had he written it in English only a fraction of scientists and philosophers could have read it.

The scientific lingua franca slowly became German in the late 18th century and remained German until the World War II where most scientists fled Germany and got divided into Soviet Union and the USA.

Please remember that between 1790 and 1945 70% of scientific papers were written by German nationals (mostly of Jewish descent, but that's a whole other can of worms).

English is a very new lingua franca and has only become so due to the US becoming a hegemony after the second world war. Now that the US is starting to go into decline again and the EU is starting to become the Scientific and Economic leader of the western world again this will most likely change again.

>> No.10359184

>>10358091
>the language you SPOKE, to the common people, was considered vulgar and used for unenlightened purposes
Imagine being THIS up your own ass. They sound fun at parties

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>>10358879
>the EU is starting to become the Scientific and Economic leader of the western world

>> No.10359213

>>10359184
they do the same thing today
>use the word baby in the proper non-biological non-scientific fashion
>autistic screeching from doctors

>> No.10359230

>>10359187
>World biggest market and fastest growing economy right now that China's economy slowed down.
>#1 in citated papers
>Biggest middle class in the world, bigger than the middle class of the rest of the world combined (800 million people in Europe belong to the middle class, only 600 million people outside of Europe belong to the middle class)
>Biggest military budget if they form a single EU army
>ITER is posed to be the first fusion power generator with a G factor above 5 meaning it will generate net power in 2035
>The projected space budget of the EU will be the biggest in the world in 2030

Please remember that Europe ruled the world for 600 years. WW1 and WW2 was Europe infighting and caused us to be reduced to rubble. In this time the US managed to climb to the top purely due to the fact of largely being unaffected by WW1 and WW2.

European industries and demographics now had 70 years time to slowly build society back up and to re-establish their dominant global position.

There's a reason economists and scientists call the 21th century the "European century".

Now that the UK will leave the Union it can actually go ahead and form a Single nation state as a federation which was the original plan.

>> No.10359276

>>10359230
>World biggest market and fastest growing economy right now that China's economy slowed down.
Is that what the state-run media outlets in the EU tell you? The US has both a larger economy and faster growth on its own than the entire EU and has 3/5 as many people

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>>10359230
>There's a reason economists and scientists call the 21th century the "European century".
wut?

>> No.10360052

>>10359840
That was before the economic collapse of China that started in 2016 and is now worse than What America experienced in 2008.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/business/china-economy-xi-jinping.html

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>>10357661
In the words of David Kellogg Lewis:
>It is not to be demanded that a philosophical (or in this case mathematical) theory should agree with anything that the man on the street would insist on offhand, uninformed, and therefore uninfluenced by any theoretical gains to be had by changing his mind. (Especially not if, like many men on the streets nowadays, he would rise to the occasion and wax wildly philosophical at the slightest provocation.)
As such, such texts are meant for scholars, and the scholastic language of that era was Latin (as it still is in some respects today).
That is why it wasn't written in English, because the layperson wasn't the intended audience. Nor should it be.

>> No.10360116

>>10359786
how did the entire alphabet flip from Archaic Latin to Roman?

>> No.10360127

>>10360116
They stopped writing whilst doing handstands. They would it was easier to write with their hands, instead of their feet.

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heres a better image

>> No.10360190

>>10360127
apparently archaic latin could be written lef tot right or right to left, or alternating (boustrophedon, in which every other line would have the letters flipped). This kind of explains how the script might have flipped, but now I want to know how it fell out of use,
fun fact: ithkuil uses a boustrophedon script.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon

>> No.10360241

>>10360190
What an absolute mess to read.