/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10347670
They're pretty different.

>>10347670
They're both sorta round?

>>10347673
>>10347693
>can't think laterally or make connections easily

Oh shiggy diggy

>>10347707
I can. Are you able to contrast or decipher differences easily?

>>10347707
>>10347670

>>10347707
>>10347670
This is bait

>>10347714
>>10347717
Yes, obviously they are self similar, with noted differences. Like everything in existence. Ever notice how all of nature is made of the same basic semi-fractal/spiraling pattern? Even minerals that have geometric patterning conform to the above description.

>>10347670
>t. easily freaked out

>>10347670
>shit that freaks you out
entropy and inevitable heat death of the universe

>>10347958
The universe has infinite volume and thus entropy doesn't exist

>>10347670
I am Groot

>>10347958
Aren't you too old to be clinging to the illusion of permanence?

>>10347958
>entropy
Stop this fucking meme already. I know you're the same person going in every thread talking about entropy

>>10347958
Agreed, heat death fucking sucks. I hope the big crunch makes a comeback just because I like the idea of a big crunch leading to the next big bang.
It could even produce different values for the universal constants for bonus points.

>>10347792
another cool fact: the number of stars in a galaxy, galaxies in the Universe, atoms in a cell, and cells in a living being are all approximately the same large (10^11 to 10^14) number.
the fermi paradox is pretty weird considering the fact that there are millions of stars withing a few thousand light years of us

>>10348000
>the fermi paradox is pretty weird considering the fact that there are millions of stars withing a few thousand light years of
it's not. obviously there are quadrillions of factors that come into life evolving intelligence to the point of inventing advanced tools like radio communicators, so if life forms somewhere, it will almost necessarily be unintelligent; and even if the universe is full of intelligent life, it's just too goddamn big and the separation distance is too vast.

>>10348000

>>10348000
>3 orders of magnitude difference
>approximately the same
pick one.

>>10348000
>>10348083
If you go over the history of life on this planet, it's pretty easy to tell that our existence is very unlikely.

>>10347732
Things that grow get growth marks, gee, who woulda thunk. And the fact that they're self-similar, that's a mistery

>>10347732
its almost as if the physical laws that govern all emergent phenomena in the universe cause an attraction towards self similar patterns since the same forces and geometry are being applied ad infinitum

>>10347958
t. the guy behind >>10340901 and >>10346697

>>10347958
Humans have the chance of reversing it if we reach the stars.

>>10348323
literaly not him
>>10348327
if there's no big rip big crunch or vaccum decay all matter will eventually turn into photons (on extremly long timescales), theres no escape

>>10348088
I know black science man isn’t a real academic. But this can’t be real

>>10348469
100% legit quote
swear to me mum

>>10347670

>>10348122
>If you go over the history of life on this planet, it's pretty easy to tell that our existence is 100% likely, otherwise you wouldn't be going over the history of life on this planet,

>>10348469

unironically, OP, you should get evaluated for schizophrenia

>>10348511
Imagine being this much of an intellectual dullard.

Existence.

/thread.

WE

>>10348505
you're just describing the anthropic principle. anon means that the history of life on earth shows taht intelligent life is most likely rare in the universe, which might not be true since we only have one exmaple to go by (us). there might be environmental conditions where intelligent life is very likely to emerge, and these conditions might be common in the universe. we don't know.

>>10347707
>trying to make connections just because you see something that looks like a matching pattern
How about actually exercising critical thought instead of the basic animal parts of the brain?

>>10348327
No we do not. In fact, life is part of the process. If we were to consider we had a particular influence, it is more accurate to say that we are accelerating it.

Fractals fuck me up. Not the meme ones, but the ones directly observed in nature.

Morphogenesis is literally fucking magic.

>>10348000
Fun fact. There's 10^11 posters in this board, yet you're the only one here using a name.

>>10347959
Underrated post

>>10348851
Yeah, pretty much agree with everything you posted -- I was just funning with>>10348122 for posting something worded in such a way that he was vulnerable to being funned with.

Tardigrades, just for so many reasons.

The ocean is unironically scarier than any of this shit because it's right here right now and we really know barely anything about it.

>>10348083
All life is intelligent or it wouldn’t be alive.

>>10348757
You are an actual retard and
>>10348511
You don’t know how to recognize simple, day-to-day retardation

>>10347958
I dunno, I'm more worried by my own inevitable death tb h

>>10349562
Wrong. Go back to the definitions of life.

>>10347670

>>10349617
Life has no formal definition, but one of the qualities are reacting to stimulus, so yes, all life is intelligent.

>>10349617
Using a theoretical universal IQ measure that can apply to any system and starts from zero, all life would inherently be non-zero.

>>10349635
Every system would be non-zero

>>10347971
>filename

>>10349623
anything can and does react to the things around it

>>10349623
Venus fly-traps are intelligent, under your definition.

>>10349046
But matching patterns mean they are comprised of similar structures and forms, you incomprehensibly stupid retard.

We's all is trees

>>10349751
>matching patterns mean they are comprised of similar structures and forms
But that's wrong, you retard.
Allow me to give one example. The fingerprint's structure is ridges while tree rings are not.

It may be a common one, but freaking black holes creep me out. Also the genetic code

>>10349683
Yes they are. There’s a lot of data on microbial intelligence, even. Don’t see your point.

>>10349619
fuckin this but it wont happen in a very long time

Thinking about methane breathing cryo life. Shit would be really weird and slow

>>10349862
Would have literally no effect on life.

>>10349877
Pretty sure there’s an alien race in Orion’s Arm like that. They haven’t expanded in millions of years.

>>10349854
>Yes they are.
But they're not. They're not even microorganisms.
They're no more intelligent than your leg which reacts to getting struck below the kneecap. It's just a reaction to stimulus, that's all. We can manufacture things out of plastics and shit that'll do that.

>>10347670
The possibility that the Dark Forest thing can be the default state of the cosmos, no matter how slight, makes me uneasy as fuck. The worst part is we won't know until/if we ever do something that's detectable on interstellar scales.

>>10348327
All living beings are entropy engines, anon. Sorry to break it to you but you kill the universe a little bit every time you take a shit.

>>10349892
>But they’re not

>It's just a reaction to stimulus, that's all.

That’s literally what intelligence is. Reception of information, processing of said information, and an output. Jesus Christ.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Microbial-intelligence-vs-human-intelligence-Microbes-exhibit-similar-characteristics_fig1_263926796

There’s even a fucking Wikipedia page on the intelligence of microbes.

>>10349887
It would still stuck to be in one of the solar systems that gets flung out into the intergalactic void.

>>10349912
>intergalactic void
and where are we right now lol

>>10349898
It's far fetched but it still gives me the willies. It seems like deck is stacked against any kind of intelligent life making it out into the greater cosmos. How many intelligent species wiped themselves out in some war or ran out of food. Maybe it's just impossible to make it

>>10349912
The entire Local Group will coalesce into a supermassive galaxy given time, and nothing will be visible beyond it, everything else passing beyond the cosmological horizon as spacetime grows indefinitely. An island of trillions of red dwarfs, black holes, and other forms of stellar remnants surrounded by eternal darkness that, practically speaking, is the boundary of our universe.

>>10349909
>That’s literally what intelligence is. Reception of information, processing of said information, and an output.
>processing of said information
Which a Venus Fly-trap doesn't do. So thank you for defining it in a way which proves yourself wrong.

>>10349920
In a galaxy clustered with a few hundred billion other stars?

>>10349924
We didn’t nuke ourselves and have plenty of food. We’re the bottom of the barrel as far as civilization-creating potential goes, since sapiens is the first species on our planet to have one, so everything else will be on par or less stupid.

>>10349928
>a few hundred billion other stars
what have they done for you lately?

>>10349930
That's a really good point, so maybe the next guys can take it farther.

>>10349926
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(physiology)

Goddamn you’re amazing.

>>10349931
Given me hope that I might escape this gay earth one day

>>10349934
Doubt the current model of homo will be around for long. It’s inevitable that bionics and bioengineering render our descendants very different from us within a few centuries.

>>10349934
The next guys will have no oil to make an industrial civilisation with, so that seems unlikely. Also they don't have much time to show up before the sun gets hot enough to denature every protein on earth.

>>10349950
Don’t need hydrocarbons. Shit like wind and hydro is possible whenever electricity is harnessed.

>>10349935
Congratulations, you found Wikipedia.
Soon you'll be able to read that plant intelligence isn't a settled question because it depends on what definitions you go for.
I've got a potential requirement for intelligence that you may not like. Being able to choose to ignore stimulus based on no other input.

>>10349962
>Being able to choose to ignore stimulus based on no other input.

Ignoring stimulus is impossible. It is received, like it or not.

>>10349962
Nothing has ever happened to anything “based on no other input”, either.

>>10349951
Probably true, but you also have to consider all the conflict, unrest and famine we have avoided by expanding our agriculture as fast as our population. There's a good chance that would not be possible without oil.

>>10350005
ctd to be clear though this isn't an argument to keep using oil, since it clearly does more harm then good now we have more technology.

>>10350005
How so? Only thing I can think of is how important nitrogen is, but we make that from natural gas, not petroleum.

>>10347977
Heat Death still leads to the next Big Bang through random quantum fluctuations and an effectively infinite amount of time.

>>10350019
Yeah but we’ll be dead while Multvac figures out how to reverse entropy.

>>10349549
Don't worry; we've already actively or accidentally driven extinct pretty much everything interesting in the ocean. Nothing scary left.

>>10350022
I have a feeling that it may be easier to just create and escape into a new universe than to reverse entropy in this one.

>>10350057
Could be someone already did that. Don’t think it’s really an example of turtles-All-the-way-down since some universes would inevitably be natural. Diamonds may form naturally but that doesn’t mean that humans can’t engineer diamonds of our own, better ones even.

>>10350061
It may just be one of many potential cycles of universe-creation. A metaphysical branching-tree of universes splitting into new ones depending on how many intelligent beings within them managed to figure out this process.

>>10349619
Imagine being a civilization that orbits a star that reaches escape velocity to eventually join some other galaxy.

>>10347670
The proportionality coefficient between a thin airfoil lift and its angle of attack is 2pi. What the hell, there must be a programmer of this reality.

>>10350167
>where the ayy girls at

>>10350015
The value of cheaper transport shouldn't be underestimated. Better economic efficiency in general allows more RnD.

>>10350248
Quantum uncertainty is just a cludgy fourier compression algorithm they tossed in because our server doesn't have enough system resources to simulate everything.

>>10348000
10^14 is fucking HUGE compared to 10^11.

That isn't very special or cool, it makes sense, because the divide between those values is absolutely enormous

>>10349936
>Not liking this gay earth.

>>10347670
wow im stumped.

>>10349799
Have you ever felt wood? Tree rings are ridges too.

>>10349891
>Orion's Arm
>Muuh

My mofo.

>>10349947
This, biotech, bionics, and nanotech will be very very good to us.

>>10348083
>>10348000
the Fermi paradox still holds up, what gets me is that ayylmaos as we imagine them (physical bodies/chronosynchronus entities) are most likely long gone, we were too slow and we missed them, maybe we were wrong all this time and the end of the universe is approaching faster then we think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPZ-uWirIN4

>>10351557
>Fermi's paradox

Nobody talks to you because you're retarded, not because there is no intelligent life in universe.

If I would be intelligent life form discovering this "people" who can't still even properly communicate between themselves, I would not try make whole fucking population being aware of presance of different spieces? Why would I?

Humanity has radio for last let's say 100 years...
"Dude, I've been on this bus stop for whole picosecond and bus haven't came yet, there are no buses ever."

We are not interesting spiece to deal with and we're like motherfucking kid who hurt another spieces just for fun and we have nukes.

It's literally simpler leaving us alone and terraforming earth after we will wipe ourselves.

Pretty easy paradox to resolve: Not even advanced ayylmaos want to be around niggers.

>>10347707
Yes and?
Neurons in the brain resemble star clusters in deep space.

It's just a coincidental similarity which means fuck all.

>>10351961
Correct, humans are the niggers of interstellar races.

>>10347670
I wouldn't say it freaks me out, but I occasionally think about how a roaming black hole or a giant rock could swoop in at any moment and end the planet

>that moment when you realise god is real

>>10352371
I realized Einstein's conception of god, the god of Spinoza, is real when I was a teenager. But it didn't freak me out because this sort of god is just an inanimate object.

>>10352371
Based

>>10351975
>thinks there is such thing as "coincidence"
>thinks self similarity means "fuck all" and isn't the underlying physical structuring of the universe

>>10349623
Are clocks intelligent?

>>10347670
wtf bros

>>10349619

Man I can’t get enough of this .gif. It blows my mind that something that will span across millions of lightyears and will occur over the course of millions of years can be depicted within a matter of seconds with just a few kilobytes.

>>10348491
>back in the 70s
heh

>>10349936
they have given us far greater insight into how the cosmos functions. because they are closer, they are easier to study. easier to study = more stuff learned

>>10347670
Oh mann concentric rings look like concentric rings WuhWOOAAHH!!!

>>10347670

What evolutionary purpose do fingerprints serve?

>>10348496
el goblino . . .

>>10352805
Depending on the sort of clock, yes. So are smartphones.

>>10352867
They don’t necessarily have to have one.

>>10349898
>Dark Forest
if it was true, ti would be pretty simple for an advanced species to bomb every planet in the galaxy capable of supporting life every few million years. If this is the case, why are we alive?

>>10350576
>>10348112
think exponentially

>>10352910
I think it’s ridiculous to assume everyone would be so xenophobic and violent. Bonobos just fuck eachother all day.

>>10352907
and they don't have to

>>10352867
Added friction improves grip.

>>10348000
2spoopy5me

>>10350984
Differential moisture evaporation between the more and less dense rings.

>>10349898
Dark Forest?
Is that something from the Cixin Liu book

>>10353235
Yep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmCTmgavkrQ

>>10349562
>intelligence to the point of radio communicators
goddamn I hate wasting energy clarifying from the outset for people who can't read

>>10348083
how do you know we are what is considered intelligent to an alien
Maybe we're also in the category of non-sentient life for other life forms
Maybe we don't even detect on their radars, as we're a life form they haven't even considered

>>10353312
>how do you know we are what is considered intelligent to an alien
because we're unique and we have a unique kind of intelligence. there are different intelligences, not a spectrum of a single kind. mutations aren't biased to our type of intelligence, they're random. if a mutation helps an organism survive in its particular environment then that will get passed on, and clearly things don't need hyper intelligence (to the point of radio communication tool use) to survive since we're the only species on Earth that has it.

>>10347670
Branches, Roots, Lightning, Lungs.
POLR constructs all guided by the path of laziness.

Quite a stretch of a few ideas here, but perhaps all living organisms are a form of technology designed by some other intelligent being(s). Viewing life as a whole as a massive system of interoperating machines that were designed.
This would mean that the studying
of biological processes would be an act of reverse engineering.
Yet then we may ask what constitutes a "living" thing? A complex question, but concieve of the organisation of molecules in a plasma, such as is found within stars, which might display self-replicating behaviour, or processes akin to evolution. And we might be able to think that from not only biochemistry as we know it, but pretty much any dynamical system, "life" could be engineered. What physical systems lie beyond our knowledge or perception which might hold the potentials for consciousness then?

>>10347670
>/sci/ shit that freaks you out
The fact that most scientific study results can't be repeated properly.

>>10351975
>coincidental

Entropy isn't coincidence.

that the big trees are all gone

>>10352371
feels good but also not so good

How to trigger autists: the thread

Infinity freaks me the fuck out. After learning how big Graham's number and TREE(3) are, I have absolutely no desire to live forever. You'd run out of new things to do in relatively no time at all.

>>10353487
kek

>>10353991
Well fear not, infinity does not really exist. We only believe it does because we overuse induction.

>>10352914
and bonobos are not rulers of the planet. its reasonable to assume every species which can create the technology that ours can will have similar instincts. but aliens aren't real, only God is.

>>10347707
Christ its been a long time since i've seen someone saw shiggy diggy.

>>10349503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMUvNWuSq6I

>>10348083
Fun fact: aliens don't exist in this massive universe because God created only humans as described in the Bible.

>>10347971
file name sounds like my dumb ass in high school

>>10353367
Almost as if the Creator reused the same models, hmmmmmmmmm

>>10352378
huh i never heard of that kind of god before but now that I looked it up i kind of like the concept. it's weirdly comforting, too. no heaven or hell, just different modes of existence and everything being a part of it.

>>10351703
You don't need to get on a bus to see city lights glowing beyond the horizon. The point is a significant civilization would have so many satellites and artificial habitats orbiting their star that from far away you'd see it glowing in infrared with waste heat for no discernable reason, even though it should be a boring star of X light output based on the wavelength of its illumination.

>>10347959
redpill me on this

>>10347707
>>10347670
humans and trees are related stay woke

>>10349562
You're here aren't you?

>>10349909
Well if that's what we're going by, then according to Newton's third law, EVERYTHING IS INTELLIGENT.

A reaction does not imply intelligence.

>>10354550
>EVERYTHING IS INTELLIGENT
Now you're getting it.

Relativity and the speed of light. I can accept it mathematically but trying to visualize how it all interacts puts me into a logical spiral.

>>10349638
I never said that only life is intelligent

>>10354206
Almost as if the laws of physics generally cause things to take the path of least resistance. Leave your weird obsession with your skydaddy out of it.

>>10347670
our genetic information is literally encoded millions of times inside our body and constantly creating "backups"

>>10347732
Ever notice how all of the fucking solar system is made of fucking atoms, largely this thing called "hydrogen?" Wow, big fucking surprise, right?

>>10353367
One of these is not like the others.

The other two have barely anything to do with polr. It's just conservation of energy which works more or less the same regardless of whether you're talking about osmosis, fluid, or current flows.

You are seeing similar structures emerge because the biggest constraint on the structure of all three systems is the same fundamental law of physics.

>>10354505
you cant drink out of a bottomless glass so the glass will always be full

>>10349926
Way to sound like a condescending faggot.

>>10348083
this makes me sad.

>>10355625
Please define entropy in your own words.

>>10355625
>Waiter, I need a bigger glass I'm almost out of water

>>10349665
Name one thing that doesn't relate to the things around it

>>10348469
holy shit sci

>>10352826
to be fair, the actual 3D simulation takes a huge computing power to create