/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10342065
Global warmists will argue that climate and temperature are not related. Unless it's in their favour. Then they will argue that it is

>>10342065
>>Global Warming
*Climate change

>>10342065
>>10342068
>I don't understand how averages work

CHECK THE CATALOG BEFORE MAKING A NEW THREAD /pol/FAG

>>10342065
dude it's summer in the southern hemisphere, of course it's colder than antartica

>winter in Canada is colder than summer in Antarctica
woah, stop the presses

I'm tired of this thread. All of you should know that as the average temperature increases the system becomes less stable and the range increases. That means that an increase in the average temperature will bring colder winters and hotter summers.

Go read something

wtf! it dipped below freezing in winter?? global warming btfo!!!111!!1

>>10342166
Does this mean we can land a man in the surface of Venus? Given how hot it is during the summer, it must get frigid in the winter.

too hot climate change
too cold climate change
if snow climate change
too dry climate change

is there a better scam? i think not lads.

>>10342357
nope, Venus has the solar system's coziest blanket so it's always toasty down there

>>10342362
>too deviated from standard climate norms
>it's perfectly normal

>too deviated from standard sexual norms
>YOU DEVIANT HEATHEN!

t. standard /pol/ poster educated in alt-facts
yes, perfectly aware this may derail this thread. good riddence

>earthquake or hurricane
ITS GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!! STOP ALL FOSSIL FUELS

>freezes all over america
Well, climate is complicated and we have to be careful about attribution.

>>10342362

>it snows
hehe, see what did I tell ya? This whole global warming thing is a scam.

>>10342403
The fuck are you talking about? Both are related to global warming?

>>10342417
Hurricanes and earthquakes have been happening forever

The climate change people like to attribute any weather event to global warming even though such hurricanes are in line with statistical normalcy

>>10342376
If there are 1,000 ways to have 100 year events, then we should expect 10 each year. Somewhere on Earth is going to experience record heat and somewhere on Earth will experience record cold pretty frequently, simply because there are a lot of places where records are being kept. The only meaningful metric is a global average, and even that is subject to fluctuations that we lack good characterization of.

It's intentional dishonesty when climate scientists/politicians start trying to pin natural disasters and other singular events to climate change.

>>10342426
It's not about the fact they've happened before , but about their intensity, the time of the year and the unusual location of some of those events.

>>10342440
lol

Like during hurricane season?

>>10342065
>weather = climate
Low effort bait

>>10342440
You can always find a metric to fit a story when the amount of data is relatively small.

I'm sure records for the frequency and intensity of hurricanes in the Americas before the invention of modern measurement techniques/the presence of European civilizations are both reliable and well kept.

>>10342457
No, quite the opposite...

>>10342469
You understand we can get information from the past through the traces we have available in the environment right?

>>10342362
>snow is now so rare thanks to global warming that now people act like something is wrong when it finally does snow
congrats on this, seriously

>On the Titanic
"HA! Stupid liberals say the boat is sinking, but my side just rose 50 feet in the air!"

>>10342483
Ice core records for atmospheric CO2, sure, to some extent. Though it's inevitably lossy. For hurricanes, unlikely to have any meaningful way of turning back the clock.

>>10342065
My take on it is general temps will be more extreme than before but as a result of that, when there are specific seasonal changes at certain times of year they'll be more extreme in turn as a result

>>10342507
Ding, that's correct

>>10342065
>World Hunger
>I just had a really nice dinner
What the fuck?

>>10342112
BTFO

>>10342488
>Snow is rare

Are you retarded? The only atypical thing about this winter is how cold Chicago is getting and the fact that snow fell in Texas in the fall. Winters are more or less indistinguishable from how they were 50 years ago on a day-to-day basis.

>>10342065

>weather only matters if it's in the US

>>10342654
anything only matters if it's in the US

Last summer was extremely hot here in northern europe. It's gonna get even hotter this year..

>>10342698
you know that's good economically right?

>>10342732
How come? I just remembered there were a lot of forest fires

>>10342732
The agriculture industry in my country was fucked over three ways that summer.

>>10342751
People spend more in the heat. They buy heat related things (sunglasses, sunscreen, etc.) while also being more accepting of higher prices.

>>10342065
Antartica sounds pretty warm then.

>>10342773
>while also being more accepting of higher prices.
Great. It'll make it easier for people when food prices skyrocket after the whole agriculture sector gets destroyed.

>>10342698
And if the gulf stream gets fucked, it's gonna get a lot colder for a while

Weather is going towards extremes all the time.

>>10342065
It’s summer in Antarctica right now, and climatologists are talking about global average temperature over time, not the temperature of North America during one winter.

>>10342773
Broken glasses much?

>>10342073
>I don't understand how propaganda works

>>10342939
No, we do. Smart people are well-aware of the propaganda produced by oil companies. Fact is, CO2 causes warming, and earth is undergoing a warming trend due to this.

>>10342065
Trump is an idiot and a stupid nazi ...

>>10342068
Polar vortex broke up on Jan 3rd.
These cold fronts are a non-surprising consequence of that.
The cold hitting US is balanced by the Arctic being warmer than usual.
Explanation for dummies: the ice-box broke and is leaking.
Vortex break-up correlates with global warming.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/30/science/polar-vortex-extreme-cold.html

>>10342957

You have finally convinced me using your original and clever insult. Before, I was all-in for Trump. That was until you expertly dispatched him, just now, using phrases that have never been tried before. I realize the error of my ways and I will not again vote for Trump in 2020. And it's all thanks to you.

>Unusually hot weather in June
A single day doesn't prove anything
>Cold weather in January
Global warming isn't real lmao

This is what they think

>>10342977
When you kiss Putin's ass, do you aim at the cheeks or go for the hole?

>>10342977
Nice! It’s good to see you’ve seen the error of your ways. Supporting racists with dementia is bad.

>>10342357
BRAINLET DETECT

>>10342166
Fucking this

the absolute state of pol lads, what a fucking shame

>>10342994

I don't understand. I was agreeing with you. I now agree even more strongly, because you have made a second highly original insult, directed at me but really meant to highlight Trump's stupidity in colluding with Russia. You are right, anon, I was foolish to have voted for Trump. I want to share your comments with other Trump voters so that we can avoid Trump winning again in 2020.

I'm also very sorry for the double standard which I've applied to Russia up until this point. I thank you for putting me in my place.

>>10343021
Totally clears the President. Thank you!

>>10343021
Trump has a lot of billionaire friends who are involved in Coal. That is literally it.
He is corrupt.

He is not stupid and he has no reason to doubt climate change and indeed he doesn't, even though he pretends he does.

Besides, he is so old that he can literally just witness it. My father is his age and it is just plain obvious to him that there is already significant climate change.

>>10343050
>He is not stupid

He thinks asbestos is harmless.

>>10342065
The average temperature of earth is literally up
It is summer in Antarctica

>>10343006

>>10343063
He lies.

We are living through one of the largest extinction events life on this planet has ever undergone.
If you can understand what is happening, you are responsible for it.
Don't waste your time/energy on retards.

>>10343063
he doesn’t, Trump is a psychopathic narcissist and lies to manipulate the media and stock market as it suits him. he’s as bad as Obama and Reagan economically and probably would be dangerous if the country wasn’t so war weary from monkey bush’s oil wars

>>10342065
>>10342071
>>10342068
Act retarded ironically and it will attract actual retards

>>10342953
>smart people are well aware of the propaganda produced by oil companies
>smart people are blissfully unaware of propaganda produced by everyone else

It goes both ways. The endgame is carbon taxes. While it could be implemented in a non-invasive way by simply charging the company for all of the gasoline/coal they sell, I'd be willing to bet that the real implementation will be the government getting all usage records from your utility board and tracking your vehicle mileage in some invasive manner. Never let a good crisis go to waste in expanding federal authority, after all. However, even in an ideal implementation, it disproportionately punishes people who have to commute via automobile, can't afford a newer electric vehicle, and have no public transportation options. And even if they could afford and electric vehicle, if their power is provided by a fossil-fuel powered plant, they literally have no choice in whether or not their cost of living jumps by 50%. A lot of people will be fucked, and none of them will be wealthy.

Not to mention you get clusterfucks like California who add $50K to the price of every new home by mandating that you have enough solar panels to provide for energy needs. I suppose they enjoy homeless aids needles on the street and want more. I wonder how many legislators in California have money invested in commercial solar panel companies?

>>10342065
Local weather =/= global temperature

>>10342994
kek

>>10342409
>95 degree day in the middle of summer
THE WORLD WILL END IN 12 YEARS IF WE DONT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

>>10342475
....not during hurricane season?

>>10343375
>95 degree day in the middle of summer
It's not gonna be a 95 F summer day. It's gonna be a 95 F summer.

>>10342065
>it's cold where I live, therefore GLOBAL warming is a lie

Yup, these people vote folks

>>10343389
wew lad

>>10343390
Good thing we know how to hide the decline.

Austin was mostly spared the worst.

>>10343378
Yes. increase in occurrence of hurricanes out of hurricane season, length, and severity of the hurricane. the white house's own scientists determined this is happening, Ivan. you're not going to rile up americans here

>>10343199
>assuming more things will occur via government than necessary
what happened to your skepticism

Because Houston having back2back historic floods is normal.

>>10343827
nope.exe

>>10343416
>That scale
Put some fucking numbers on it you dumbfucks, holy shit.

>>10343829
The government is in the business of spending more and doing less. The most logical thing to assume regarding the government is that they will do whatever it takes to expand their power while reducing their responsibility and making life as big of a pain in the ass as possible for all parties involved.

They also really, really like data... and vanishing billions of dollars to spend on black projects that are more than likely illegal and certainly immoral. All things that are only encouraged by giving them more money to waste. Friendly reminder that MKULTRA actually happened and was only revealed by accident. Also a friendly reminder that nobody was actually punished for completely fucking up the lives of many innocent people and they most likely just changed acronyms and continued business as usual. Not to mention that it's probably not the only project of that nature.

>average height has increased over the centuries
>yet manlets still exist
EXPLAIN THIS LIBTARDS

>>10344100
I live in Utah and am 100% sure black people are some sort of government hoax and don't actually exist.

stop bullying low IQ libtards

1. We should support new technologies that decrease the cost of energy and solar/wind do this

2. The panic and fear mongering of climate change is too much

3. The oil industry are evil scumbags

All three are true

>>10342065
Global warming was too difficult of a concept for people to manage so they changed it to climate change. It is on average increasing, and weather as a result is becoming more unstable and unpredictable

>>10342065
The real question is; how do people expect to stop China and India from being the primary contributors, especially when they’ll never agree to trade boycott those places?

>>10342166
>I'm tired of this thread.
Why are you here, then?
> All of you should know that
Thus beginnet a lot of propaganda
>as the average temperature increases the system becomes less stable and the range increases.
In real science we use sources, references and reasoning. When these are not present, we call it propaganda.
>That means that an increase in the average temperature will bring colder winters and hotter summers.
Your conclusion does not follow from the premise.

>>10343874
what's historic about those floods, other than that more things were damaged because there are more buildings than there used to be

>>10342335
We were promised warm winters. Last year snow fell in Sahara. As outliers go, that one is spectacular.

>>10344317
This cold snap is precisely what was predicted from the PV breaking up.
Also, winter is a lot longer than a snap.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/30/science/polar-vortex-extreme-cold.html

>>10344323
>This cold snap is precisely what was predicted from the PV breaking up.
When was this prediction mentioned and agreed on? The predictive power in the climate hypothesis interests me. And it is not clear if it is a theory, hypothesis or something else.

>>10344323
Kind of funny because the article you linked and others in those articles make 0 claims that how or why climate change affects the vortex break up. This is 100% due to the shifting magnetic field.

>/pol/ interprets raw data as if they've studied climate science at PhD level which they haven't
>Not a single scientist is backing their claims
>Hurr durr all science is wrong unless we say so
Okay. But who made you the experts?
I should spend more time on Reddit. They're more neutral.

>>10344481
>Kind of funny because the article you linked and others in those articles make 0 claims that how or why climate change affects the vortex break up.
I noticed the same. Appeal to authority, I guess.
>This is 100% due to the shifting magnetic field.
What?

>>10344484
>I should spend more time on Reddit. They're more neutral.
Amusing, perhaps.