/sci/ - Science & Math

it's okay, getting dunked on is fun

>>10342361
>129
Brainchads.

>>10342361
Never attempt to argue against a philosopher unless you're a philosopher yourself Anon, you played yourself.

>>10342392
Why? Are they just that smart?

>>10342377
Why is the average IQ for any major above the mean (100)?

We should really be looking at the IQ of people with PhDs instead since you can get any "major" with any IQ.

>>10342400
They have monstrous VIQs, and you probably don't.

>>10342408
Because the average person doesn't do a STEM major at college? College isn't

>>10342400
This
>>10342410
They can literally rape you with words

>>10342361
Kek what did you say?

>>10342392
>>10342413
... representative of the average population.

Lol what did you debate about?

>>10342427
Whether or not rocks are conscious

>>10342421
>>10342413

You're telling me those mongoloids who study humanities and arts are equally/more intelligent than someone who studies for examples chemistry and biology? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

>>10342446
>being this retarded

>>10342400
It's like entering a bridge building competition if you're a poet and they're an engineer.

>>10342400
Philosophy is much more "high testosterone" (in the sense of being extremely competitive) than most people realise.

>>10342446
Not all humanities are equal. There are definitely some better than chemistry and biology, dumbest stem subjects, in terms of intelligence

>>10342442
Maybe from the qualia of the rock they do, but from our qualia they don't.

>>10342446
Only stuff like philosophy.

philosophy is filled with kids who have no talent and are good at nothing but talking dumb shit on a high level

>>10342446
Only those where mastery and reasoning applies.

>>10342462
Dualism should be a bannable offense on a science and math board.

>>10342462
Rocks are not conscious. They have no neurons or neuron analogs.

>>10342544
No, u

>>10342369
>>10342392
>>10342400
>>10342410
>>10342418
>coping philosophy majors with mcdonalds degrees try to convince others they're smart
lmao I tried arguing with a philosopher once. he constructed absolutely contrived examples to prove his up to the point where everyone realized that he was just spewing bullshit

>>10342549
Your reflection doesn't count as a philosopher anon.

>>10342557
>i-it doesn't count
go back to /his/, mcdonalds employee #2342

>>10342562
>My reflection actually counts
Lol

>>10342544
If we accept the David Chalmers' early thinking, the view that the nature has some form of cknsciousness, therefore rocks are consciousness.

>>10342566
every reflection inherently counts, or none do, you should know this best. OP's and all the other claims in this thread have as much value as mine, no matter how you look at it

>>10342570
>if we redefine conscoiusness than anything can be conscious
THE UNIVERSE IS CONSCIOUS

>>10342361
What did you claim?

>>10342580
Now you're getting it, this is your inner philosopher talking

>>10342596
>hurr you can think that makes you special
philosophers are fucking retarded. modern philosophers have literally accomplished 0 things for humanity. even economics can claim a greater value lmao

>>10342600
Why are you shooting yourself in the foot anon?

>>10342446
Yes, philosophy majors are equal to pure mathematicians and physicists in intelligence, and the three fields sit above all other majors, including all other STEM majors (that includes you, dumbass engicucks)

>>10342610
apparently equal in intelligence, yet accomplish nothing in their lives other than writing books best case scenario lmao. imagine being useless to humanity

>>10342614
Great philosophers like Kant, Descartes, Hegel, Hume etc. have effected humanity and changed the world and the human condition more than even great scientists like Newton and Einstein and Maxwell.
You can keep coping but you're literally just a low IQ engicuck and will never understand why you're inferior.
t. Pure maths chad

>>10342621
>Kant
influenced no one but other philosophers lmao
>Descartes
influential, but not his philosophical work, rather his mathematical
>Hegel
influenced no one but other philosophers.
>Hume
influenced no one but other contemporary philosophers

really great examples there anon, at least you could've picked some ancient ones

>>10342631
>influenced no one but other philosophers lmao
Synthesized rationalist and empiricist epistemology which directly lead to the next era of mathematics and scientific research
>influential, but not his philosophical work, rather his mathematical
His philosophical work was just as influencial
>influenced no one but other philosophers.
Literally led to multiple ideologies that are still the foundation of the global political stage
>influenced no one but other contemporary philosophers
Same as above
>really great examples there anon, at least you could've picked some ancient ones
Proving yourself as a know-nothing engineer incel pseud, again lmao

>>10342621
Uh.....no. Only Descartes did anything of worth, and that was his mathematics and science.

>>10342651
>rationalist and empiricist epistemology
>he thinks rationalism was needed to be created by some dude to exist
stopped reading right there

>>10342655
uh... yes
your IQ is low and you don't deserve to talk with any semblance of confidence, because you're a know nothing loser

>>10342631
>>10342655
I see why you were dunked on in the first place Anon, lmaoing at you

>>10342656
>doesn't even know history and talks with confidence about these subjects
Engineers really are so pathetic. Good luck licking boots for 60 grand a year LMAO

>>10342661
>modern philosophers are useless
>no they're not, they were highly influential, humanity literally wouldn't progress if they told others how to think
this is the state of delusion philosophers are in
also not op btw

>>10342665
>he thinks i'm an engineer
keep coping at mcdonalds while I earn my 140k/yr

>>10342669
I don't even study philosophy, I study math. I care about hierarchical structures, and pure math and philosophy sit above all other disciplines.

>>10342668
Modern philosophers=people that lived hundreds of years ago apparently. I thought when we said modern, we meant someone that actually saw a car.

>>10342668
"Notices salt in you* OwO

>>10342674
>he doesn't even know what modern philosophy encompasses
at least try to google it before larping lmao
>>10342673
you're probably larping as a mathfag as well, but you can try to convince me otherwise

>>10342673
>I care about hierarchical structures,

I don’t. That’s caveman-tier.

>and pure math and philosophy sit above all other disciplines.


Apparently the most useless and irrelevant shit ever are the best disciplines. Improve the welfare of sentient beings with either of those things and get back to me.

>>10342679
I don't need to convince a low IQ engicuck like you anything lmao

>>10342681
>Apparently the most useless and irrelevant shit ever are the best disciplines
Yes, the data >>10342377 already corroborates that lmao (remember modern theoretical physics is just math)

>>10342679
>at least try to google it before larping lmao

Modern: : of, relating to, or characteristic of the present or the immediate past : CONTEMPORARY
the modern American family

Sorry if your autism club redefines words, but the 1700’s and 1800’s aren’t modern.

>>10342687
kek
now try to google modern philosophy
maybe you'll be one step closer to realizing your retardation

>>10342685
>(remember modern theoretical physics is just math)

With application in reality, rendering your point dead.

>>10342689
>Sorry if your autism club redefines words, but the 1700’s and 1800’s aren’t modern.

Now relabeling Kant and Hume as 1700’s philosophers and their works as 1700’s philosophy.

>>10342696
i thought you were supposed to be pro philosophy, why are you disagreeing with your own kin

>>10342701
I find philosophers really annoying and beyond useless. What?

>>10342377
If chemical engineers are so smart why did they go into such an oversaturated major?

>>10342690
All of analysis is pure math that has applications in reality
Seeing as mathematics is the superclass over physics, studying pure math directly cuts into any possible physics that could be discovered, just without restriction.

>>10342705
oh, nevermind then, I also think the definition is retarded, I just thought you were a "akchually they arent modern so your point is moot" philosopher
>>10342708
if philosophers are so smart why do they work at mcdonalds

>>10342709
>Pure math that has applications in reality

Contradictory. Good god.

>>10342714
Mathematics is the superclass over physics, so studying pure math, even without care to physical applications, still can apply to physical sciences.
There of course exists an infinite set of true propositions that have nothing to do with the laws of physics. That's just because mathematics is the superclass over physics (the mathematical ideal world is more fundamental than the physical universe, and completely contains it).

>>10342377
>be 129
>biologist
>know that normies will treat this chart as a God
Feelsgoodman

>>10342549
>one person is indicative of the entire major
2.0 GPA math mjor doesn't have the same weight as a 4.0 one

>>10342377
>physics and astronomy
You can't just add the scores together.

>>10342738
>2.0 GPA math mjor doesn't have the same weight as a 4.0 one
an anecdote doesnt have more weight than another.

>>10342361
>and then everyone clapped.

your daily reminder that this guy was a fucking idiot who couldn't understand Godel, and argued against his work in an incredibly pathetic attempt.

>>10344147
is there anything more pathetic than philosophers trying to argue against actual scientists?

>>10342456
Philosophy is almost 100% about pride.

>>10342413
The 50/50 chance of reaching high school doesn't exist since they would be in the special needs class.

>>10342400
Arguing is literally all they do.

>>10342582
>we defined consciousness

>>10342544
From your perspective they don't, but as a rock, I can assure you that we do.

>>10342600
>I don't know what post-modern is.
Probably one of THE most influential philosophical schools of thought to date. Has literally had an impact on everything in the modern era.

Heads know philosphy is the STEM of humanities

>>10344422
>an impact on everything in the modern era.
name literally one, not counting philsophy

>>10342544
Yes, human structure are different than from a rock

>>10342361

of course
any famous philosopher throughout history could probably dunk on STEMfags left and right
It's not like STEM teaches you how to debate while philosophy hones your critical thinking and language skills

>>10342614
Thanks. I needed someone to laugh at.

>>10345012
what's app funny? it's pretty sad actually that a Humanities major deludes himself into thinking he's on par with math or any stem for that matter

>>10342418
l-lewd

>>10342361
The CHAD Philosopher vs pop/sci/ virgin

What's a better degree, Philosophy or Political Science? I'm poli sci but enjoy reading philosophy more. But there's no jobs in Philosophy. And the political science jobs sound like complete garbage. Why would I want to work for the government if I hate it and want it to be minimized as much as possible?

>this entire thread
>"i'm a philosophy student and we're so great
i'll take a number four with fries, thx

>>10342361
Historically philosophically biased individual here, unfortunately very used to 0wning people with superior abstract and lateral thinking. Pretty much the advantage of the philosopher is having well established categorical thinking and having pretty thoroughly evaluated the underpinnings of their thought, and themselves.

For example this post:
>>10342410
Early clamping of the umbilical cord causes reduced verbal IQ, there is a mechanical basis to people's difficulty here, However it's actually pretty simple. If you understand what you're saying and where it all fits, you can't really have difficulty explaining it. How could you? People can pull all kinds of lawyerly and worm-like tactics, legitimate arguments from real perspectives, whatever the case may be, but it's trivial to rapidly respond if you understand how things fit and the logical relationships and bounds that exist around them.

>>10342377

What about my gender studies degree, you homophobe?

>>10342377
>MatEng is best engineering

>>10342614
Where did this hilarious “useful to society” benchmark come from and why do small time brains allow it to occupy such a prominent space in their ambitions? Writing ordered symbolic sequences to (knowingly futilely) attempt to encapsulate an entire viewpoint is pretty advanced work for cells to engage in

>>10344460
Not even that guy but you HAVE GOT TO BE fucking kidding me.

First example is purely quantifiable in terms of tax payer funded schools - I’m not even mad at post modernism but it is shaping the minds of many of the past two generations of college students whether they are aware of it or not

>>10346885
If these are real quotes that’s pretty based

>>10342400
Philosophy is basically just the art of arguing now that it's seperate from math and the physical sciences.

Philosophers learn to desconstruct and analyze linguistic/semantic constructions and can use the conscious understanding of the structure of human communication to run circles around people using language intuitively. The obverse of this is that you can get really good at "philosophy" by arguing online for many years. If anything the latter approach is better because you get the same understanding without having to memorize a fuckload of pointless garbage special cases just because of their perceived historical importance.

>>10347107
>shaping the minds of many of the past two generations of college students whether they are aware of it or not
more contrived word salad
can you name concrete fucking example you mongoloid, instead of "it had an impact, whether you like it or not"

Based philosochad, soiboy STEMcels btfo

>>10347126
You don't understand what philosophy actually is and seem to have it confused with law.

>>10347184
you're right philosophy is even more retarded than law, at least you can make good.money as a decent law student in the future

>>10347184
No, you're misguided as to what it is yourself, probably because you've buried your head up the ass of some special case pet semantic construction.

Philosophers manipulate semantics and then explore what they get, imposing various constraints on their structures. It's all they do.

>>10347187
Philosophy makes for the best 'pre-law' degree though.

>>10347202
>Philosophers manipulate semantics and then explore what they get, imposing various constraints on their structures. It's all they do.
That's what logic is. The problem is that it seems to me that the purpose of it all eludes you, as in it sounds like you think the entire purpose is to win arguments.

>>10346885
They are, but the image creator misinterpreted Dawkin's meaning somehow, even though it's clearly supportive.

Krauss' has also said:
>In fact, I've got more sympathy with your position than you might expect. I do think philosophical discussions can inform decision-making in many important ways, by allowing reflections on facts, but that ultimately the only source of facts is via empirical exploration. And I agree with you that there are many features of human life for which decisions are required on issues that are not scientifically tractable. Human affairs and human beings are far too messy for reason alone, and even empirical evidence, to guide us at all stages. I have said I think Lewis Carroll was correct when suggesting, via Alice, the need to believe several impossible things before breakfast. We all do it every day in order to get out of bed – perhaps that we like our jobs, or our spouses, or ourselves for that matter.

Bill Nye's an engineer.

I don't know Tyson well.

>>10342392
If you are a mathematician, unleash a mire on him, lower his dps then argue contrast and duality. Engage all status buffs and debuffs, then release as many fireballs as possible. Their earthly nature will struggle with the sheer quantity of fires, the rest is literally touting hot air.

>>10347516
What if he has a dual philosophy and mathematics degree?

>>10347541
Run.

>>10347559
actually stay and order some chicken nuggets since he's going to be working his entire life at McDonald's anyway