/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10341629
There is no such thing as "scientifically proven"
Empiricism can literally never yield absolute truths about reality. Any moronic pseud who tells you otherwise has no understanding of epistemology.
Otherwise, yea free will most likely doesnt exist.

>>10341634
It's almost as if "scientifically proven" is different from "proven"

>>10341629
>"muhhh free will doesn't exist"
> chooses to go on /sci/

Just cause you can't magically turn into dragon doesn't mean you don't have free will

>>10341662
He didn’t choose to go on /sci/ though

>>10341634
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>>10341662
>>10341678
none of you chose to make these posts

>>10341662
I'm hoping this is bait? If not I hope you'll go back to whatever board you came from

>>10341678
>>10341681
>>10341691

You morons are a bunch of religious fanatics. If OP didn't choose to go on here, who or what did?

>>10341712
>If OP didn't choose to go on here, who or what did?
Just an inevitable result of the big bang

>>10341634
>Empiricism can literally never yield absolute truths about reality.
it's the only way to find truth, Anon

>>10341712
>religious fanatics

>>10341716
>'Big Bang'

Ahh so you are religious fanatic then.

>>10341725
Yes aactually, I believe the big bang happened 6000 years ago but that has nothing to do with this thread

>>10341629
science says nothing about freewill

>>10341629
>Le reacting to cause= being a slave to cause/effect memery

There is free will. It's simply suppressed by "common sense/rationality" aka forced agendas of the environment. If you want to really murder someone randomly, you could do it but you won't because you're trying to not be irrational and you do know the possible consequences of your actions and are simply too afraid to risk it.
Of course on the other hand you murder that person randomly out of a reaction to something internal like anger or insecurity. But if slave to oneself is the dumbest concept ever

>>10341758
>But if slave to oneself is the dumbest concept ever
If you believe in cause and effect - which you ought to do, since a violation of causality has never been observed and would entail the death of any and all hope of constructing a scientifically valid theory about anything - , there is literally no other way to reason about the question of free will.

You cannot will your own will; it is a product of deterministic (at the macro-scale) and (according to our current knowledge) stochastic (at the quantum scale) processes that govern the universe.

>>10341781
In that way being a slave to one's own made up mind sounds kinda shit, but I can't argue against it. But I'd say information doesn't reform our will. We ourselves reform our will according to how we think about said knowledge.

>>10341712
His past memories and experiences made him post this