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10331586 No.10331586 [Reply] [Original]

So in your most humble and sagacious opinion, /sci/. How do you view Common Core? Is it a success? A failure?

>> No.10331601
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>>10331586
it has good intent, to teach children how to think about math instead of how to regurgitate, but it turns out most kids are just hopeless idiots so it doesn't work at all
it's not common core's fault, it's everyone elses

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>>10331586

>> No.10331683

>>10331665
okay boomer

>> No.10331692

>>10331586
You can't teach mathematical intuition, so it was doomed to fail by its conception. It isn't good. US education needs to focus on teaching maths (and all subjects in general) in a way that's conducive to children's interests. We've had enough development in the areas of game design to be able to make something that kids enjoy, in regards to education, and it baffles me that it all falls by the wayside.

>> No.10331741

Ameritards’ mulatto hellspawn are incapable of comprehending the most simple mathematical concepts

>> No.10331743

>>10331586
Fuck em all. They will learn or they will fail by their own volition. Schools can only do so much. Muh natural selection and all that
>>10331692
>jenny has 700 watermelons, if she gives 18% to charity how many melons can she bring home to her jenlets
Fuck this too. Teach them pure math if you'll teach them anything, so it can be applied universally. Otherwise they get to higher math that can't be represented by unusual amounts of food and they flounder, say "we'll never use this uuguggh" because they never developed an appreciation for numbers themselves, only caring about how many watermelon they can buy on one month's assistance and three coupons

>> No.10331826
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>>10331601
>it has good intent,
I doubt that.

>> No.10331982

>>10331826
What is that

>> No.10332076
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10332076

>>10331586

Common core exist to try and remove the differences in scores between races, ethnic groups, wealth and sexes.

IT was NOT chosen to be the BEST teaching method, THAT is a secondary goal, but instead the main goal is equalizing the results.

>> No.10332090

>>10332076
[math]\textsf{[ citation needed ]}[/math]

>> No.10332287

Teach applied math.
Pure math is subhuman.

>> No.10332375

>>10331586
Public (((school))) in its entirety is cancer and should be abolished.

>> No.10332513

>>10332076
>Common core exist to try and remove the differences in scores between races, ethnic groups, wealth and sexes.
Ever since common core has been implemented, this gap between whites and none whites became a chasm.

>IT was NOT chosen to be the BEST teaching method, THAT is a secondary goal, but instead the main goal is equalizing the results.
Recent ACT scores are the lowest in living memory, anon. The old way is the best way.

>> No.10332550

>>10332375
>>/pol/

>> No.10332554

>>10332076
So you're saying it's taught so nobody has an advantage by being previously exposed to it or have good prior intuition? Sounds like a great way to educate, come up with some completely convoluted way of doing things that no child has seen before that doesn't make sense to them.

>> No.10332776

>>10331826
Holy fuck, that can't be real, right?

>> No.10333095

>>10332776
It's supposed to emulate the European education

>> No.10334094

>>10333095
God no

>> No.10334659

>>10332550
I suggest you read up on the Prussian schooling method.

>> No.10334669
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>>10331586
The only good education reform was new math. Everything else was cancer.

>> No.10334809
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>>10331586
>https://edsource.org/2015/summer-remedial-courses-now-required-for-nearly-half-of-csu-freshman/84160
>In a recent quiz for her class of incoming Cal State Fullerton freshmen – who had all failed an algebra placement exam – she asked the students to solve a polynomial equation by factoring its properties.

>https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/education/more-college-going-students-in-wv-need-remedial-classes/article_5c5bc8f5-3985-50fd-8a38-21e1f7408873.html
>About 31 percent of college-going students who graduated in the spring of 2016 had test scores low enough that required them to enroll in a remedial class when they went to college, the report showed. That rate is double in a handful of the state’s most southern counties.
>“We’ve got to stop making it easy to get a high school education requirement,” said Delegate George Ambler, R-Greenbrier. “There’s a lot of reasons why graduation statistics went up, and I’d venture to say it wasn’t because of the quality of education that kids were getting, it was the programs that were offered. “Education should have a meaning to it. That high school diploma should not be cheapened, and it seems to me . . . we’re cheapening it.”

>https://hechingerreport.org/college-students-increasingly-caught-in-remedial-education-trap/
>when she went to enroll at her local community college, she had to take a placement test and found she needed remedial classes.
>“What are those?”
>“And they told me they were basically material to catch me up to be ready to be in college. And I remember asking, ‘How is that possible that I’m not ready for college when I was in the honors program and graduated with a 4.2 GPA?'”
>More than four in 10 college students end up in developmental math and English classes at an annual cost of approximately $7 billion, and many of them have a worse chance of eventually graduating than if they went straight into college-level classes.

Common core speaks for itself.

>> No.10334858

>>10334809
Goyim don't need to know advanced things
they just need to work and die

>> No.10336344

>>10334809
Christ, why do so many people defend it?

>> No.10336426

>>10331665
this is not real math this is accounting you pleb

>> No.10336487

>>10331586
I've been looking for this image for many mothns now, thank you. Is this an edit of the original manga?
>>10331586
we need to go back to new math.

>> No.10336499

>>10336487
>Is this an edit of the original manga?
Yes, but its canon in my heart.

>> No.10336500

>>10336499
amen

>> No.10336583
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>>10336487
>we need to go back to new math.
New math was a mistake as well.

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>>10336583
New math was a mistake, but it was a hilarious mistake.

>> No.10336859

>>10331586
>Set common baseline for education
Good ide-
>Enforce same methods on everyone
This is the bullshit part. Teachers should know a variety of methods and figure what to do with their class by themselves.

>> No.10336865

Why does this science board read exactly like ruined special ed boards like tv and pol? Where's the moderation? Is it really that hard to tell which types of people need permanent bans?

>> No.10336869

>>10336865
>he's been here for five minutes and already wants to hand out perma bans

>> No.10336882

>>10336869
A couple of years ago this problem didn't exist at all on this board. And yeah, rodents like neo-nazis shouldn't even be legally considered human, let alone allowed to ruin internet boards. Genuinely amazed that nothing continues to be done about the mentally deficient far right shills on this site.

>> No.10336901

>>10336882
The commies are a bigger problem.

>> No.10336909

>>10336882
Engineers, undergrads and /adv/ lower the board's quality more than political threads.

>> No.10337541

>>10336909
Wrong!

>> No.10337582

>>10331826
There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with this. Hell, most of my life I haven't know the basic ten by ten multiplication table. I just turn it into an easier multiplication problem and add any offset.
6 * 7 = 35 + 7 = 42

>> No.10337609

>>10331692
It's weird to me too. I think there's a lot of room for educational games that don't suck, but it seems like educators/parents (or school admins, or whoever is in charge of paying for things) were only ever interested in things that were really obviously educational.

>>10331826
The intent is good, the execution is awful. Showing multiple ways to think about the same problem is good. Requiring students use specific methods like in that picture is what kills it. And worse the kids can't get help at home, since the parents won't know any of that and the kids are too bored and exhausted to pay enough attention to memorize exactly what they're supposed to do.

>> No.10337957

>>10331586
Yukari assumes you can define the worlds in two four dimensional manifolds, forgetting that she herself is only 2D.

;D

>> No.10337963
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10337963

>>10337957
No bulli yokai!

>> No.10338453

>>10334809
As someone who had to take a remedial math class, this is probably what happens
>In highschool, don't really care about about learning
>Brute force memorize enough to pass tests
>Then immediately forget it
>Don't go into college directly after graduating ( or material was earlier in high school so has been long forgotten)
>Don't remember how to do college level math because you never actually learned it, just memorized
Now I'm in my 3rd year of college in STEM and I STILL haven't actually needed any of the math classes that were required. I might need them eventually, but by then I'll have already forgotten.

>> No.10339574 [DELETED] 
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>>10337957
Yukari is smarter than /sci/?

>> No.10339588
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10339588

So how smart is Yukari?

>> No.10339789

>>10338453
I smell a cs major

>> No.10340741

>>10334809
The sad thing about this is that people will still defend this

>> No.10340981

>>10339789
Mahbe

>> No.10341034

>>10336344
Everyone knows that talking about the reasons we all know it sucks opens up a /pol/ conversation, and Americans would literally rather see their children get fucked over than have that conversation in an open forum.

>> No.10341683

>>10339588
Smarter than /sci/

>> No.10342791

>>10334669
>The only good education reform was new math
Wrong!

>> No.10342942

>>10342791
Not an argument

>> No.10342948
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>>10342791
Well there's /sci/ reform but it will never be tried...

>> No.10344060

>>10342948
If only

>> No.10344223

>>10331586
Common core failed due to the implementation.

>> No.10344239

>>10336882
go back to /mu/

>> No.10344374

>>10339789
"cs" major

>> No.10344382

>>10342948
I so wish this had been the case when I was in gradeschool. I learned algebra early outside of school by myself with a toy and spent the next two years basically not learning anything or at least not being challenged in any way such that I am now a lazy sack of shit.

>> No.10345240

>>10342948
Why not?

>> No.10345446

>>10331601
Common Core is no different than our public education in general.
It was put forth with good intent.
But to make it to each classroom, it must go through the hands of people with interests other than those of simply giving children the most valuable learning that they can have.
Common Core is just a symptom of our (((Public Education)))

>> No.10345450

My wife yukari so smart

>> No.10345463
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>>10345450
You mean your wife(husband) Yukari(male).

>> No.10345478

>>10345463
We should have gassed the faggots too

>> No.10346062

>>10331665
>1960 (New math)
So I tutor middle and high school maths as a side gig, and some of the shit I see schools teaching nowadays isn't too far off from that.
There's also shit like trying to solve double-digit multiplication by making a 4x4 box grid and writing fuck-all digits in each cell (that's divided diagonally into two halves).

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>>10331586
People hate common core because president NIGGER made them feel dumb.

>> No.10346235

>>10346229
>extensive one semester

>> No.10346245

>>10333095
>>10334659
How did you fuck it up so bad America?

>> No.10346270

>>10346229
I get why the physics major who became a common core math teacher is being salty, why is Jack's unit jumps to the scale of tens jumps tho? It's weird.

>> No.10346271

>>10331826
burger education at it's finest

>> No.10346398

Bugermutts need to expunge any content requiring abstract thought

>> No.10347229
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>>10346245
As I said it was a European teaching method. It was bound to fail, they don't even use imperial measurement.

>> No.10347295

>>10331826
>tfw mother
>want to make common core look bad
>fake math test
>writing looks the same for marker and writer

>> No.10347492

>>10347229
Pic related is how me and yukari do it in bed

>> No.10348739

>>10347295
It's not fake.

>> No.10348901
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>>10331586
>letting other people brainwash your children

NOPE

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>>10331826

>> No.10348918
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>>10336426

>> No.10348922

>>10348901
i'll brainwash my own children, thank you very much.

>> No.10349818
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>>10331826
>implying all rings are commutative
CC is actually doing the world a service by training mathematical thinking at a young age and you have these absolute retard soccer moms (as well as half the dumbasses ITT) trying to stop it. It's fucking sad really.

>> No.10349948

>>10349818
Rows and columns are arbitrarily defined. Fuck off.

>> No.10350620

>>10337609

if the teacher told him the first value was y axis and he didnt do it then he deserves to lose points.

sci is self taught autists without discipline that cant work with others

>> No.10350629

>>10334809

highschool has just become a daycare center for non whites until they are ready for prison

>> No.10350711

>>10332375
Yes, nothing worse than having a population that can read, write, and do basic math.
We need to go back to the good old days when only the rich could read and people just trusted the local preacher to tell them what the Bible says

>> No.10350738

>>10349948
>arbitrary
Rows and columns are by definition the first and second factors in the isomorphisms [math] L_\mathbb{R}(V,W) \cong V^* \otimes_\mathbb{R} W \cong \mathbb{R}^n \times \mathbb{R}^m[/math] for [math]n[/math]- and [math]m[/math]-dimensional vector spaces [math]V,W[/math] over [math]\mathbb{R}[/math], respectively. It's the farthest thing from arbitrary.
Actually learn math first before talking out of your ass please.

>> No.10351125

>>10350620
But the teacher didn't tell him anything.

>> No.10351235
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>>10331826
TRIGGERED

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>>10338453
DELET

Yeah that pretty much sums up my life. The only difference is my major requires a fuck ton of required math courses, i.e. calc 1-3, probability, etc. so I use that shit like every day.

>> No.10352175

>>10344374
"c""s" major

>> No.10353119

>>10352175
Nothing wrong with being a cs major

>> No.10353122
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>>10353119
There's everything wrong with CS.

>> No.10353433

>>10351235
What's wrong

>> No.10353463
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10353463

>>10352175

>> No.10354324

>>10352175
>>10353122
>>10353463
Not cs fault you're dumb.

>> No.10355190

>>10331586
Is Yukari always this smart

>> No.10355234

>>10354324
No, the dumb ones are the guys who find CS hard aka the CS majors.

>> No.10355941

>>10355234
CS is very important

>> No.10355956

>>10355941
To self teach.

>> No.10356021

>>10331586
Common core is good

>> No.10356537

>>10332076
Fuck off /pol/, nobody likes brainlets here

>> No.10357242
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10357242

>>10355190
yes.

>> No.10358483

>>10356021
Literally how?

>> No.10358536

>>10350629
>highschool has just become a daycare center for non whites until they are ready for prison
Pretty much. 80% of these people went to ghetto schools that have given up on uplift and simply try to make sure that their students don't end up drug addicted criminal wards of the state birthing another generation of drug addicted criminal wards of the state and consider it a runaway success if one of their students goes on to have an unskilled labor job that actually pays taxes. The other 20% are dork-hicks that were home-schooled/from trash rural schools that were completely unprepared for the rigors of college.

>> No.10359197
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>>10350738
based yukari poster strikes again

>> No.10359659

>>10331586
CommonCore hate is a meme

>> No.10360402

>>10359659
The hate is justified.

>> No.10360449

>>10331586
It's shit.
t. me

>> No.10361597

>>10332076
>chosen to be a teaching method
Common Core isn't a teaching method
>>>/pol/

>> No.10362071

>>10358536
That's racist.

>> No.10362073

>>10331586
what is a common core?

>> No.10362600

>>10362073
Something you don't have to worry about if you are from a 3rd world shithole.

>> No.10364164

>>10362600
But from the looks of it, its something a third world nation would use.

>> No.10364545

>>10331826
Whats really sucks is that the kid is doing the right thing mentally by grouping in 5s. Honestly, I remember arguing similar semantics with one of my teachers in elementary school. In the end her point was as you go through school you won't necessarily become more right but instead less wrong. You learn arbitrarily wrong premises as a stepping stone to learn the less wrong methods later. There is no right method for anything but getting to that point takes time and experience.

>> No.10364777

>>10332076
this

>> No.10366458

>>10364164
Well you're wrong

>> No.10368059

>>10366458
How?

>> No.10368459
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10368459

>>10336499
My compatriot of dark complexion.

>> No.10368470

>>10337582
the kid got subtracted points because he wrote 5+5+5 instead of 3+3+3+3+3

>> No.10368620

>>10368459
What's the killing form?

>> No.10369636

>>10368470
But he got the answer regardless of the method

>> No.10370661

>>10369636
Doesn't matter.

>> No.10371596

>>10370661
What do you mean it doesn't matter? How retarded can you be?

>> No.10372703

>>10331586
I don't know what that is.

>> No.10373733

>>10368459
Who makes these?

>> No.10374639

>>10345446
What's with our parenthesis?

>> No.10374646

>>10362071

reality has a racist bias

>> No.10374651

None of these educational reforms will address the root of the problem, which is that an increasing fraction of American students are black and brown, and therefore dumber on average. There's nothing we can do that will teach people who aren't intelligent enough to learn.

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>>10373733
So, the memory loss was worse than I thought.
Anon, you made all of those.
Take this template, and reclaim your memories!

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10375662

>>10373733
I made all the edits. The artists made the art.

>> No.10375700

>>10374651
But lots of whites are failing as well. Only the Asian Americans are succeeding.

>> No.10376695
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10376695

>>10375662
More.

>> No.10376707
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10376707

>>10376695

>> No.10376771
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>>10375662
>>10376695
>>10376707
>powerlevel: yukari poster
Make more with higher algebraic K-theory

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10376787

>>10376771
I'll do that once I find art that makes reference to Clifford modules bundles.

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10376848

>>10376787
KK-theory is also acceptable

>> No.10376860

>>10331741
holy fuck I lol'd

>> No.10377026

>>10345446
>our public education in general.
>It was put forth with good intent.
LMFAO

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>>10331826
this isn't the common core's fault, though? I thought common core just set learning objectives while schools were individually responsible for making curricula. Seeing shit like this concocted by teachers seems to be an argument FOR common core not against

>> No.10378013

>>10345446
California public school beg to differ

>> No.10378933

>>10377059
Excuses

>> No.10378967

>>10377026
yeah these niggas need John Taylor Gatto.

>> No.10378982

>>10375700

It's a consequence of the overall dumbing down of the educational system in order to cater to the lowest common denominator. Whites are also experiencing dysgenic trends, costing them (iirc) one IQ point per generation.

>> No.10379006

>>10371596
He is pointing out their logic, not his own. Read a little more into the thread.

>> No.10379102

>>10346398
Europeans and their overinflated egos, I tell ya. Talk shit when your country is imposing a brain drain on every other country in the world.

>> No.10380145

>>10379102
Envious I see

>> No.10380416

>>10331586
The average "shocking" common core math problem is just forcing kids to memorize some specific application of a simple property of algebra that they won't understand for 4 years, fucking retarded

>> No.10380439

>>10331586
Meh, at least it doesn't apply to high school and everything taught before then is learned more or less through natural talent anyway
>>10334809
No student who has been raised mostly on common core standards has graduated high school yet though

>> No.10380776

>>10336882
Return to the Reddit page from whence you came, fellow of dark complexion

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10380782

>>10336865
>Why does this science board read exactly like ruined special ed boards like tv and pol? Where's the moderation? Is it really that hard to tell which types of people need permanent bans?

How DARE anyone post an idea I do not like!
Perma-ban them!

>> No.10380794

>>10356537
Hey that's racist. A significant amount of Africans are brainlets

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10380880

>>10380794
I̡̛͓͉͍̼̫̙̹̗̮̭̺̻͈͓̋̏͆͑ͯ͑̓ͮ̂͊ţ̨͖̮͖̰̓̆̓ͨ̐ͮ̆̋́ ̛̹͍̪̦͈̞̼̠̺͍̠̯̥̜̺̑ͪͮ̑ͫ͌̎̔͛̃̚͜͞j̟̬̭̤͕̜͇̫̓͗̍ͩͮͫ̎͆̏̇ͬ̊̄ͩ͆ͨ̓̚͠ͅû̴̥̰̳͔̹̺̺̺̘̪̤̼͖͍͔̺̣͉͗͒̓͌̿̄ͯ̆ͤ̄̍̄̚̚̚͝ͅş͕̬̦̺̖͙̱̪̙̺͕̣̥̳ͫ̈́̍͗͒̄ͮ͘͜͟͠t̵̢̨̩͍̹̯̝͇̬̝͚̿̎́͑̌́̊̑͆̾͊̿͆̉̑́͠ ̷̴̣̠͇̤͔̩̜͍̪̻̹͙̭ͬ̌ͮͦͧ͛͛́͗ͣs̞̯̰͕̣̣͖̥̥̰̗̩̥̿̂͊̂̽̍͑͌̚͝͝ͅͅţ̶̩̘̳̜̝̜͔̹̞͆̈́ͫ̂ͣ̀ͦ̿̂̿ͬͫ̌͢ͅa̪͈̗̫͙͇͎ͤ̽̂̀̉ͦ̇͆̈͌̀̂̆ͤ̓̚͜͟͢͞ͅŗ̨̟̰͎͙̤͇̠̾ͩ̿̎ͩͯͬͫ̌͐͟t̴̷̠͕͍̙̱̜̤̹͉͔̫͓̤̺̰̱͐̈̏ͮͧ̌ͧͬ̃ͨ͂̌̿͌ͣ̈́ͧ̾̑͟s̨̙̬̩͍̦͍̼͓̭̦̣͇̹̟̱͉̐͗ͭ͒̃͟͟ͅ ̢͉͖̖̪̤͍̤̹͈̥̹̃͛͆̕͢͜ẗ̶͈͙͓̻̺͔̪̩̝͉̹͕͈͈͚̯͇̖́ͯ̃̏͢ǫ̛͍̩̝̥̜̝̖̳̦̯̱̳̀̾ͣ̒̄̎ͬ ̨̢̘͇̭͔̳̥͓͊͆͋̾̈͡l͎̤͈̞̰̬̞͇͔͍̭̙̳̗ͬ̽ͭ̃͌͂ͩ͐͑ͬ̃͊̽ͪ̌̓̂ͣ̀͘ͅͅo̝̥͔͇̱̰̩̱̘̬̬͐̃ͭ̓͌͊̀̕o̸̴̵̞̣̞̹ͣ͆͗ͦ̽͂̄̇͂̌͊̈̀͞k̡̬̭̯̼̳̭̤̹̠̱̹̻͈̫̺̙̮͍͈̆ͤ̈̓ͬ͒̉̏͆ͪ́ ̴̷̢̩͔͉̹̜͎̪̟̖̥̰̝̠͖̪̤̭͉ͣ͋͛̽͌l̴̶̛̼̳͉̥̪̫̟̝̮̩̬̻̖̖͙ͨͮ̌̓̾ͨ̐̒͋̓͋̆̚͜͠i̸̢̙͔̰̟̺̝͖̼̠̪̤͙̫̯̱͓ͪ͊̿̉ͮ̈̄ͮ̇̒̋͌́̚͢ķ̟̤͍̦̣̮̝̦̗̇̌̌̉̈́ͪͩ́̕é̶̘̬̠̱̝̞̮͖͈͔̬̹̫͍̭̟̙̣ͧ́̓̈̀͜͠͠ ͔͚̘̤̆̓̂̐͋ͦ̌̾̉ͣ̑͌͐̇ͨ̀t̨̟̺̣̳̱̰̤̤̥͙̯̖͗ͧ̀͗ͪ̇̏͑͗̒̎ͦͭ̂ͪ̒̊͘h̷̡̹̻̘̱̬̩̻̳͔̼͙̭̙͊̓̾͑ͭ̀͑͑͛ͫ̉̍ͫ̽̊́͌̀̚͜ĩ̵̢̥͚͕̙͈͉̥͉̥͎̬̦͓͍̠͇̆̏̌̽̊̆ͩ̂̉͒͟s̺̗͉̮̰̫̙͉͎̪͎̳̬̺̣͕̉̈́̋̽͛̀̇͂̇ͦ̄ͦ̏͒̕ͅ ̷̛̛͖͓͚͚̺̹̖̦͚̦̏̈́̉͋͌ͫͦ̆ͪ́o̵̷̶̡̠͕̬̣̦͔͇͑͋ͤ͠n͖͉̙̯͍̥̻͚͇̣͕̞̒͒̑̒̇͜͝͡ͅc̴̟͇͚̗̙͖̠͛͊͐͋̒͆̔̃̍͛́ͅe̴̛͖͚̪̘̯̯̳͌̑̓̐͝

>> No.10381266

>>10331826
but #2 the teacher is correct for matrices anons :^)

The real problem with common core isnt that it focuses on different methods of visualization or even that the teacher requires you to use a specific solution method learned in class. The issue is that it seems to frequently be a replacement for traditional solution methods rather than a supplement.

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>>10381266
>The issue is that it seems to frequently be a replacement for traditional solution methods rather than a supplement.


This is the real problem. School time is limited. If a kid is presented with a simple addition problem of say 397 + 165, the basic algorithm to do this as taught in school is to line the numbers up vertically so that each individual digit in the second number lines up with the same 'place' of the digits in the first number. Then add the ones together, "carrying over" any part of the result that "belongs" in the tens spot, to the tens place and add the tens together and "carry over" any part of the result that "belongs" in the hundreds etc. etc. This algorithm always works so it is taught as the basic way to do addition so that students can handle addition of any two numbers by hand if they need to.

Now decently smart kids (probably 120 or 125 iq and up) probably figured out that there was a faster way to do that addition where they could make the 397 a nice round number like 400 which is easy to add in their head with 165, which gives 565, then they just take away the 3 since they added it in the first place and they get 562 the final answer. Lots of common core is aimed at teaching kids these kinds of shortcuts and visualization techniques. The problem is is that the base algorithm is somewhat complicated and kids who are say 100 iq and below need a lot of time and practice on the base algorithm to really master it. And there isn't enough school time to teach them both the new techniques and the basic algorithm. So they wind up never really doing well at either, which when this starts early enough hampers them throughout the rest of their academic career because the new subject is always in part based on what you learned on the old subject. So lots of average and below students become, "Just never was good at math." When they could have been, "Normal or ok at math."

>> No.10382496

>>10380782
Calm down, Reddit.

>> No.10382515

>>10331586
Is this an edit?

>> No.10382519

>>10382515
No, why would it?

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>>10348739
cia nigger detected

>> No.10382793

>>10331586
I, in all seriousness, believe high school is a very detrimental institution. Society would improve if it was entirely abolished and not replaced in any way. The idea that teenagers receive anything near an "education" at these internment camps is laughable. Almost everything "taught" in high school top is covered in the first semester of college. If a teenager spends an hour a day doing something modestly intellectually simulating like solving Sudoku, he will not only be qualified to go to college, but will probably be ahead of most high schoolers. It's a nice thought to want to give every child an head-start into the academic world. But it just flagrantly fails. All high school really accomplishes is to waste a teenagers time and to discourage him for pursue a career in science because he understandably learns to view topics like physics and math as painfully tedious and uncool.

>> No.10382996

>>10382793
Public schooling is to counter child labor, learning is am afterthought.
As long as they're in school and not coal mines it's doing the job right.

>> No.10383043

>>10331586
The people teaching it in classrooms don't understand it. Education programs constantly produce the dumbest graduates.

>> No.10383050

>>10382793
retard

>> No.10383183

>>10331826
It's pretty clear that the "teacher" hates that particular student.
I would even go as far as to assume it's a male student, probably restless and a female teacher.
Because that grading is INCREDIBLY petty and only a woman would be that petty towards a kid.

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>>10382515
Touhou is very /sci/

>> No.10383925

>>10331826
I mean, if I say 4x6 array I mean 4 rows and 6 columns. It's a notation thing that has nothing to do with common core necessarily.

The 3, 5 times part (which I would argue is represented by 3x5) is pants retarded. Do whatever is fastest.

>> No.10384189

>>10383043
How do we fix that?

>> No.10385332

>>10384189
You don't.

>> No.10385479

>>10384189
Pay actual wages so people good at their job will see teaching as a viable path outside of private schools.
But that's communism or something.

>> No.10385579

>>10380439
>at least it doesn't apply to high school
Now we have honors pre-algebra in the 9th grade rather than 7th

>> No.10386209

>>10385579
That's good.

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10386942

>>10386209
You could teach that stuff to a 1st grader.

>> No.10387140

>>10386942
Impressive

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10387172

>>10383886
>tfw Marisa almost became my waifu through one shitpost

>> No.10387194

>>10331826
I think the problem is just that the teacher is retarded.

>> No.10388170

>>10387194
That's always been the case.

>> No.10388184

>>10331586
common core is a great curriculum guide (and isn't really much more than that). the most publicized stuff is about number sense in the early grades, and desu it's how most "math people" do arithmetic anyway. I think the emphasis on number sense over, say, just the columnar method is good. However, in HS, there are simply too many topics (a) to cover in depth, and (b) for your average student to comprehend w/in the "big picture". They claim that they've tried to reduce topics to allow time for depth, but often this is by "cheating" by simply nominally removing a prerequisite topic from the curriculum that you will really have to teach anyway.

I have the probably unpopular opinion that the required curriculum should actually be quite spare, and the teacher (who should be more educated than most are) should introduce topics as they come up in exploring the core content in depth. CCSS and the upcoming Next Gen standards claim to want to put an emphasis on exploratory learning, having students conjecture and experiment, etc., but for how much content there is and how much remediation is usually needed, this is a farce.

>> No.10388197

>>10349948
desu i agree w/>>10349818. I am not a fan of prescribed methods, but you have to have some to start playing with them. An nxm matrix is not an mxn, though you can choose either convention depending on how you want to define multiplication. However, it's good to pick one, and then PROVE commutativity, so that the students get a sense of the idea of how a property can be derived from a definition.

If the teacher asked them to use this definition as a toy definition, and the student fucked that up, they might actually be confused about the fact that the statement that "5 groups of 3 and 3 groups of 5 have the same number of elements" is something that can actually be proven.

>> No.10388208

>>10388197
by "pick one" and "prove commutativity" I meant for standard multiplication, obviously, not matrix.

>> No.10388881

>>10382515
Yukari is a very intelligent woman.

>> No.10388887

>>10332554
that was the theory behind dueling shields

>> No.10389658

>>10358536
Labor theory of value was correct and remains correct. The west just redefined what value means in their models.

>> No.10389765

>>10387172
Who's your waifu

>> No.10390662

>>10388184
Can it be fix.

>> No.10391237

>>10389658
>The west
*neoliberal quacks and their propagandists

the financial sector contributes absolutely nothing of use to humanity

>> No.10391243

>>10391237
That's where you are wrong

>> No.10392059

>>10391243
How?

>> No.10392317

>>10376787
Rip

>> No.10392508
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>>10392059
The financial sector makes markets more efficient, which means pressuring a company's public valuation closer to its true value (once you interpret its business practices, P/L, et cetera). This more-or-less makes it makes sure that investment flows from incompetent businesses (people who don't deserve it) to competent ones (people who do).

There are instances of corruption and exceptions of course, but this is the official synopsis on how the financial industry creates value.

>> No.10392549

>>10342948
this would be doable and beneficial

>> No.10393602

>>10392549
It's not even math.

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For whoever requested it

>> No.10393957

>>10393928
>know your goddamn place
Absolutely wheezing.

>> No.10394337

>>10331586
I started ignoring the spawn of the math education professors a while ago. I don't know why anyone takes them seriously.

>> No.10394428

>high school
>digital test with geogebra
>get literally all answers correct
>dumb new bitch teacher complains that we didn't write exactly the process behind making the graphs
>get B
epic

>> No.10394660

>>10393928
Made me laugh, anon.

>> No.10394669

>>10331601
Could it be, maybe, just MAYBE, that years of socially engineering people to think hopelessly may take a generation or two to improve them and become smarter?

You are all whipping these horses, expecting them to go racing when their legs have evolved exponentially short. >:O

>> No.10394835

>laughs in gcse

>> No.10395551

>>10393928
I don't get it.

>> No.10395662
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10395662

>>10395551
It's funny because since Yukariposter isn't working with a template he picked out, the joke isn't the surrealism he usually works with but a punchline on the end, which works by contrast.
Contrast with pic related and the OP.

>> No.10396374

>>10346270
It's not meant to be a jump of tens, instead Jack jumps back in one's. However he forgets to do a jump of ten (i.e. he jumps back 306, not 316). The numberline is incorrectly labelled by the parent.

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10397226

>>10395662
Thanks for explaining it.

>> No.10397247

>>10331692
Geometry in nature is a kind of math that appeals to both right and left side brain. What children need is to be able to recognize the mathematics of the world around them rather than to simply be calculators.

>> No.10397481

>>10397247
Calculator makes it easier

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>>10382793

>> No.10398206

>>10386942
interesting, but very likely exaggerated, and no way any kid would be doing Calc by 4th grade. Kids that age don't have the inference skills or ability of abstraction needed.

>> No.10399287

>>10398186
refute me

>> No.10399308

>>10399287
You cannot teach the mathematical intuition gained through 12 years of increasingly difficult work by sudokus, or in one year of college. It's absurd. I won't argue that public schools are perfect, or even that good, but they are not 100% for brainwashing innocent children either.

>> No.10399662
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10399662

Thank you for all this Yukari content, I will treasure it.
Also, common core or something.

>> No.10399708

I thought about common core for a long time over the weekend and decided that in the least an easy fix to many issues would be reduced class sizes. Ever looked through a yearbook from before WWII to see class sizes of 13? Let's compare that to my school career's grand average of 28 per class, absurd, I know. With a higher number of students sharing the attention and guidance of a singular teacher, each student receives less assistance (if needed) on a per-student basis. It is my belief that this reduction in per-student focus causes classes as a whole to suffer not only in the learning of the subject matter, but most importantly in the teaching of proper behavior and conduct in a school (or any) environment. Because so many students can slip through the widening cracks (now breaches: they've widened so) they end up missing bits and pieces of fundamental knowledge and etiquette which feeds into this phenomenon of social ineptitude and educational waning. It seems logical to assume that once classroom behavior is raised to a higher standard with greater accountability (due to more intimate class size) will lead towards more student participation and retention.
I do not think this is the only thing which influences these issues, but I feel it is an important link in the chain which must be recognized and mended to fix the issues.

>> No.10399763
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10399763

>>10399662

>> No.10400328

>>10399308
That's where you are wrong.

>> No.10400552

What's the most abstract way to teach math?

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>>10400552
Teaching kids the imaginary numbers.

>> No.10402448

>>10395662
Truly genius.

>> No.10402939

>>10331586
A necessary evil.

>> No.10403289

>>10342948
/sci/ holds an extraordinarily idealist view on this system. Every time this gets posted I imagine the poster is attempting to prove that he is intelligent enough to follow this cirriculum. Lets clarify a few things:
>1. The average student is 100 IQ.
Yep, 100 IQ. The average, which means that these topics are far too complex for them throughout their lifespan.
>2. The average student (pre-adolescence to early adult) is unmotivated.
This should be a no-brainer, but apparenly you all think that it's universal for a student to want to spend their every waking hour on studying. I doubt the average high schooler spends more than 1 hour a day on homework, then spends his entire school day on socializing (skills /sci/ lacks). Even intelligent kids who would qualify for this program would fail. It takes study time to understand advanced topics - the complexity of mathematics tends to grow on an exponential curve, and the students who breezed through trig functions will find themselves lost in multivariable calculus, finding that they lack both the intelligence to comprehend it in mere minutes and the motivation to spend hours comprehending it.
>3. This costs money.
This absurd cirriculum with obtusely complex math courses and strangely simple programming classes would be enjoyed by about 1 out of 10,000 students (source: basic human approximation). About 10 out of 10,000 students would attempt to join it, with 9 realizing they wanted the prestige but did not want to put in the effort. If your parents had money, I'm sure they could afford a private tutor to free you from the clutches of a standardized public school system and hopefully help you understand why this post is stupid.

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10403499

>>10386942
>this wasn't me
>I wasted my life with screen time
>I still am

>> No.10403713

>>10403499
You can still turn it around.

>> No.10403782

>>10403713
You're right, what should I do in my free time? What are some good hobbies?

>> No.10403876

>>10331586
>How do you view Common Core?
Not favorable. I taught my baby sister how to transact money and the damn class has been doing it for one month and still gets the answers wrong. Also they want her to do some project on Anne Frank and how it relates to equality and democracy. She's barely cognizant that she has deadlines for homework.

>> No.10404835

>>10403876
What?

>> No.10405517

>>10331586
How do we fix it?

>> No.10406293

>>10405517
We can't it's an inherently broken system.

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>>10403876
>Also they want her to do some project on Anne Frank and how it relates to equality and democracy.
2% of the time, every time

>> No.10406380

>>10406341
Common core standards started when I was near the end of elementary school, literally had to read a holocaust novel every year from 5th-9th grade

>> No.10407729

>>10406380
Proof.

>> No.10409228

>>10405517
thread must live

>> No.10409941

We don't have Common Core in Britain. What's the premise behind it's institution? What does it change?