/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10332267
Because only white people are dumb enough to colonize

>>10332267
Because no species has developed technology to bend spacetime to travel vast distances faster than the speed of light. Either that or this tech is impossible. Just deal with it.

>>10332267
Space it more vast and the distances further than most people ever realize. Attenuation is a bitch and we are most likely awash in alien signals that are so well attenuated that we can't even recognize they are any form of transmission. The amount of power required to talk to each other across such vast distances without knowing where someone is would require the power of a star. The best method to do that would be to shade one side from a portion of the "sky" and turn the shade on and off to get binary communication via a giant star blinking on and off.

>>10332267
They have, jthey just died out. Their empire lasted 13 million years and ran from 22mya to 9mya.

>>10332267

Who says they haven't? We are at the outskirts of Milky Way, so we're kind of in the outback of our galaxy. Sumerians were literally created by another species, there are ancient texts speaking of these beings living amongst people acting as gods

we are the aliens anon

still not convinced? ask your self why people get skin cancer and animals don't

>>10332482
>>10332267

Just to add, the Sumerian cuneiform for God is Dingir 𒀭, which to me looks like a star

coincidence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

>>10332490
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

I think you don't understand what great filters really mean. Our civilisation has overcome many great filters already, both natural and man made. The black plague decimated a huge portion of human population, yet it ignited the renaissance. Each time we step over one of the walls of the great filter, we advance as a species and society to completely new levels. It's evolution in fewer words.

Wouldn't the most densely star-populated parts of galaxies be the most unlikely to develop life that survives long enough to become intelligent?

>>10332267
Because it's bigger than you think.

>>10332503
Yes, it's pretty hardcore there. But Earth isn't located in a perfect spot either.

>>10332505
And yet a galaxy isn’t so big when you consider their timespans. When many of the Milky Way’s 200 billion galaxies are 4 billion years older than Earth, an enormous headstart, and when you could with even only a fraction of lightspeed colonise an entire galaxy in a few million years, it becomes impossible that there could be intelligent life in at least our local group

>>10332505
It is older than YOU think. Plenty of time to colonize the entire galaxy group even at sublight speeds.

The fact that we dont see an alien civilization everywhere is indicative that we are the first ones in the galaxy.

>>10332527
>>10332529

Universe used to be far more violent in the past. And why is everyone assuming that every advanced civilization will want to colonize thousands of planets? A single solar system could easily house hundreds of billions of people. Assuming hat advanced civilization will want to colonize for the sake of colonization is idiotic. Colonialism on Earth had to do with obvious economical gains.

Omfg this place is becoming leddit

>>10332493
Oh, said from one of that species who can not even build a base on their own moon.

>>10332267
Because magic doesnt exist, energy levels required for interstellar travel are essentially impossible to achieve and no materials or systems last for thousands of years of space travel.

>>10332539
Universe was not more violent in the past, except for the first billion year or so. The universe as we know it is very old. There should be aliens everywhere, unless intelligent life is rare.

>And why is everyone assuming that every advanced civilization will want to colonize thousands of planets?

Why are you assuming it will not want to? The basic drive of life is to grow. Besides, it only takes one expansionist civilization, or part of it, to colonize the galaxy. Even if it is an exception, it should have happened.

>>10332482
> why people get skin cancer and animals don't
Both of my dogs died of skin cancer.

>>10332635
For all we know panspermia was started by aliens as a way to colonize the galaxy.

>>10332267
No empire yet thanks to fermi?

>>10332267
i guarantee you it's because every intelligent race that has ever emerged was destroyed by it's respective niggers and jews.

>>10332267
Aliens don't exist.

>>10332267
Probably because those damn meddling alien enviros stopping progress n'sheit.

>>10332267
Because space is ridiculously massive. It isn't like in the Hollywood films.

>>10332267
great filter
we a destined to die out

>>10333453
*are

>>10333453
maybe not die out immediately. But at the very least we will be neolithic once again, for a very very long time. That would leave us just as vulnerable as any other species to natural climate change.

What if we are the first civilisation to achieve space travel in our galaxy?

Would you feel lonely or all powerful?

>>10332267
because the universe was not conductive to life the first ~10 billion years and intelligence is a rare outcome of evolution, so we are among the first intelligent species to appear

>>10332483
>coincidence?
No, I think it's more due to the fact that the sun is an obvious contender for a god

Because earth is a shithole and nobody wants to come here

>>10332267
I think a better question would be is why would anyone want to encounter aliens? We don't know what they are like. They might kill humans for the sake of killing. I'm glad that humans are the only intelligent species in the universe.

>>10333596
I wanted to add that there is no incentive for us to meet aliens in the fist place unless it's to satisfy our curious or they might give us their technology.

They probably might kill us. We really don't know what they are like.

>>10332267
Since faster than light travel is not possible, it is impossible to keep an interstellar empire alive, in the sense that all the planets in the different solar systems are ruled by one government. Because of this, any species that eventually colonizes a different solar system will stop sending more out, because all it does is creating rival civilizations that might declare war on it.

>>10333570
They didn't know the sun was a star.

>>10333618
The symbol looks more like a depiction of a sun anyway

>>10333606
They'd be here for the resources, man, not to spread love and peace through the galaxy lol. No question about it. They'd annihilate us in a second if we got in their way, and we would, because we need our resources.

>>10333570
>>10333618
>>10333621
Sumerian mythology like most mythology did think the stars in the sky are gods or homes of gods, so yeah.

>>10333625
So what kind of ressources are they travelling all the way to earth for that they can't find a googolplex amount more of in their close neighbourhood.

>>10333642
They'd probably need an atmosphere they can breath in to mine them. The minerals that power warp drives... I dont know... fuck off. You think they'd come all this way to "enlighten the human race"? lol

>>10333625
>annihilating an entire civilization is easier than just going to other planets in the same solar system that have the same stuff

>>10333650
Oh yeah, because these aliens that came in an interstellar spaceship are going to start mining iron here using a pickle and some shovels.

>>10333650
>You think they'd come all this way to "enlighten the human race"? lol
That makes a lot more sense and is more likely than the nonsense you're spewing.

>>10332267
because the bible is actually a historical account simplified for you goyim yet you still don't get it

>>10332267
Chill dude, we barely started cataloging planets and didn't look at a single extrasolar planet directly yet, so who knows what we are eventually going to find. The probability that we will eventually find a planet that has an atmosphere very similar to ours (and thus also probably life on it) is pretty high.

>>10333683
it makes a lot more sense to some fucking kumbaya vegan pot smoking trust fund karma earthling. But in the real universe, you gotta get paid.

>>10333650
>They'd probably need an atmosphere they can breath in to mine them

They are travelling in a spaceship in which they need to breathe in too, so uh...

>>10333718
you ever try to mine heavy metals in a space suit? I didn't think so...

>>10332867
alien dogs

>>10332267
cuz im afraid to tell you the only answer is that we are in a simulation. Have you ever noticed how everything down to physics and the law of general relativity is conspiring against us going to other planet.

We were so close in the 1960s that we would conquer the moon and have moonbases but economics and cultural changes. And now with the society of everyone being oversensitive to everything and stating that meritocracy is racist good luck ever going to space again.

>>10333722
yeah man, really hard to swing that pickle that way.

>>10333707
It's not high.
It's 100%.

Aliens have colonized space. There ARE species far more advanced then us. They just don't wanna interact with us. They probably are observing us in ways we can't comprehend, studying us like the animals we are.

>>10333729
i was wondering when the subject of the pickle would come up again

>>10333714
You really don't see how retarded what you're saying is, and it's sad.

>>10333739
not seeing how
comes with the territory
of being a retard.
now fuck off, hippy douche

>>10333676
This is exactly what you do in the game Starbound.

>>10332268
FPBP

>>10333723
Based

>>10332527
>the Milky Way’s 200 billion galaxies

>>10333755

>>10332268
and only coulored people are weak enough to be colonized

>>10333731
>They probably are observing us in ways we can't comprehend, studying us like the animals we are.
Lmao, this isn't sci-fi physics does have laws.

>>10332268

>>10332268
do you know anything about history?

>>10333799
kek

>>10332267
>he doesn't know WE will be the aliens conquering other planets

>>10332267
Because interstellar empires aren't feasible when it takes years to receive information.

>>10332626
A few percent the speed of light is possible even with something like Project Orion, a species with fusion or a stellar lasers could easy push ships up to decent fractions of the speed of light.

>>10332539
>And why is everyone assuming that every advanced civilization will want to colonize thousands of planets?
And why do you assume that every advanced civilization will necessarily stay home?
For the sake of argument let's say there are about a 1000 advanced civilizations in the galaxy, what reason do we have to assume that all of them would stay home?

>colonize for the sake of colonization is idiotic.
Regardless, if you're a type 2 civilization you can probably find good chunks of the population that would like to leave for other star systems for a variety of reasons.

>>10332493
The Great filter isn't so much about us as much as it is about other civilizations. Frankly i think Humanity has passed most of the big filters, the only thing we really need to do at this point is just start expanding.

>>10333607
You're assuming that advanced civilizations would necessarily be united, and that there wouldn't be various factions of a civilization that might want to leave and try tither luck elsewhere.

>>10333625
If aliens were willing to go around the galaxy extracting resources out of planets , they would have dismantled the stars close to them first

you all seem to forget something
Yes one million of years would be more than enough for an interstellar species to colonize an entire galaxy if they had FTL tech so we should be able to see evidence of it rn
BUT
You havent considered that even if a planet meets major prerequisites such as having an atmosphere and oxygen for carbon-based, there's still a lot of BIG THREATS at outer space: space debris, gamma-ray bursts, rogue planets, and a big etc. Assuming the atmosphere is strong enough for radiation.
All of that impedes evolution itself; our own solar system model might as well have 0,0000000000000000000000001% chance of being made in such a privileged way again. We have Jupiter taking out major threats and the Moon, we are in a stable orbit within the habitable area, we dont live below -0°C in nonretarded-units, we have a strong atmosphere and magnetic field and our solar flares are not strong enough to impede our tech evolution. The odds of this happening somewhere else is ridiculously low even for the entire universe. We dont even need to care about black holes in our vecinities or a rogue planet fucking up our orbit and freezeing us to death. A single asteroid could wipe us any moment and return back all of this evolution to its roots and restart it with braindead species, and it has happened before.

>>10335802
Just no, this is a very stupid post.

>>10333606
This. Most nation states would kill eachother if they could get away with it and all are the same species, many with similar beliefs.

>>10335822
>Most nation states would kill eachother if they could get away with it and all are the same species, many with similar beliefs.
Uuuuuuuuh, nope. Even when they could, they didn't.
Throughout history, nation states have existed side-by-side sometimes raiding each other, sometimes absorbing eachother, but very rarely just genociding anyone.
Even the Mongols created an empire, rather than just exterminating everyone.
You're just being a misanthropic retard.

>>10335828
Oops sorry, by kill I meant conquer and enslave.

>>10335834
Ah, yeah, people do that.

>>10335750
>You're assuming that advanced civilizations would necessarily be united, and that there wouldn't be various factions of a civilization that might want to leave and try tither luck elsewhere.

There is no economic point in investing in expensive interstellar colonization if the colony will immediately be independet by default.

Now you could argue a species would want to maximize its chance of survival, but after a very few number of colonized solar systems that chance is practically 100% anyways, colonizing billions more will not increase it anymore.

>>10335802
I don't think you know how black holes work.
And by extension anything else.

>>10336046
> if the colony will immediately be independet by default.
what if that's the goal? what you're a tiny faction of a type 2 civilization that wants to head off on its own

>>10332482
>still not convinced? ask your self why people get skin cancer and animals don't

Animals absolutely get skin cancer.

You are retarded. Maybe you will get retard cancer.

>>10332503
Not necessarily. Various interstellar catastrophic shit happening close enough to you to take you out becomes statistically more likely as you have more stuff closer to you.

>>10333381
Making definitive conclusions in the total absence of evidence is as silly when done by the "No Aliums" crowd as when done by the "Aliums Everywhere" crowd.

We do not know.

>>10332267
because ftl is not possible

>>10333607
If interstellar government is not possible, what makes you think interstellar war would be?

>>10333642
MARS NEEDS WOMEN

>>10333650
>You think they'd come all this way to "enlighten the human race"? lol

What if they have a powerfully proselytizing religion?

>>10333707
>The probability that we will eventually find a planet that has an atmosphere very similar to ours (and thus also probably life on it) is pretty high.

There is no data on which to base even the roughest assessment of probability.

>>10333731
Please cite the evidence on which you base that pronouncement.