/sci/ - Science & Math

Why wouldn't I believe it, if that's what the evidence shows?

>>10324902
t. someone who makes less than 70k a year and constantly fantasizes about being rich.

Why do you think so many people who are incredibly rich are fucked up? Because you've accumulated enough money, it no longer becomes a factor in any of your decisions. You don't have to think about what you buy at the grocery store, you don't have to think about any bills, you don't have to rationalize a single decision in your life because everything has been taken care of.

The ONLY thing left to do: is resist the urge to become a fucking degenerate and give in to your basest pleasures since anything in your wildest dreams is now in reach. The weakest of the wealthy give in to this desire. The ones in the middle develop psychological issues. The strongest ones live as if they are poorer. 70k a year is somewhat arbitrary, but absolutely money stops bringing happiness when you are no longer able to anticipate that your work directly improves the quality of your life.

>>10324902
>even Jordan Peterson stated this as true
Alright somebody please explain to me why right-leaning circles keep shilling this fucking psychologist. Who is he? Why is he so infallible?

How the hell are they measuring happiness?

>>10324932
he's literally a charlatan but he said trannies are rly gross one time and """is a Christian""" so pol shills him everywhere. his academic career isn't impressive.

i live off less than 12 k and i don't need more , in a first world country as well
if i want something i usually just get it used or buy it

>>10324942
based if you live under a bridge
retard if you live in someone's basement

>>10324955

i live in a normal flat shared with some other students
got 1 gbit internet, got heating, a river close to me etc.
i really dont need more , in fact, icould probably live off even less if i would cut down on eating out

>>10324932
Well he's on that all meat diet still I think so you won't be hearing much of him after he inevitably gets a colostomy bag put in

>>10324934
If it's the studies I'm thinking of, its self-reported measures of happiness. Once you sign yourself out of extreme poverty and aren't stressing about bills constantly, it doesnt super matter whether you make 50k or 500k a year, people report themselves as being about as happy on whatever scale they used.

>>10324932
You got to see his videos.
1-He is very fast at organizing his speech in a didactic and unambiguous way and has a very clear way of thinking. People can't 'beat' him in debates - he disarms all traps trivially and quickly. He remembers me of Ben Shappiro on that aspect, but even better
2-He addresses very important issues that aren't being decently addressed ('gorillas in the room'). Some of them are - the mandatory sacrificial element in maturing, when you sacrifice the pluripotentiallty of youth for the concretization of something you chose (and this is inevitable - if you don't do your choice it will be forced onto you 10 or 20 later, and that will mean trouble), the relationship between IQ and occupation(there is not a job for everyne and you can't teach anyone to do anything), the importance for your late years(40y-80y) of having built a family, the paretto principle applied to income statistics, how you choose bewteen 'maybe beeing exceptionaly good at one thing' or having a life) .
3-He applies the big five personality traits to profile people and give examples. He uses statistics heavily and know what they mean and what they don't
4-He is very good at creating meaning from trivial stories (but I doubts thats what the authors intended.. its too elaborate). He frequently does that on the bible

I don't agree with many of his stuff . I hate nietzsche for example, he loves it.

But I can't deny he is a great thinker

>>10325020
Well put. Think that's what people have forgotten these days; we're unable to separate our emotions from argument. Take the good a person is offering and leave behind their shit opinions and trivialities, this is the advancement of good thinking. Instead, most people use a person's shortcomings to discredit everything they say and we are culturally regressive in this aspect.

>>10324932
Panders to the /pol/ crowd and his life spent as a clinical psychologist/professor/speaker makes it so that he knows how to phrase things in an engaging and captivating way.

He's literally just a self help guru for straight white underacheiving males.

>>10324941
>pol shills him everywhere
You don't know what you're talking about if you actually think that's true.

>>10325037
pol shills him everywhere

>>10325038
/pol/ broadly (not that that's one thing), thinks he's a boomer conservative. He's more popular with classical liberals and self-help bros.

>>10324902

Self made millionaire here.

I made a game that /v/ shilled a few years back and now I'm rich.

Year 1 was amazing. While the game was going viral I had a lot of emotions. It hit me at one particular moment. I looked in the mirror and thought "fuck.. I actually did it". Spent 5 years on the game and lost all my money so this was a crazy moment for me.

Year 2 was pretty good. Still lots of positive emotions. I bought an amazing house for my parents and myself. That was my dream.

Year 3 it started to turn. Instead of enjoying the money I'm starting to be scared that I will lose it. I am also not sure if girls like me because of my personality or because I have a nice house.

Year 4 I feel worse than before I started. I have the feeling it was a one hit wonder, I cannot trust girls and the money from the game has slowed down to nothing.

Also my brother has autism and the realisation that no amount of money can help him also hit me hard. What's the point in a nice house when my brother can't go 3 hours without having a breakdown and smashing his head into a wall because he is being tortured by his brain chemistry?

TL:DR I am millionaire and it took 3 years for my emotions to go back to normal if not worse.

>>10325053

rather than blogging, why dont you tell us how much money you actually spend on stuff you actually need?

>>10325057

This thread was about happiness vs income. I gave a breakdown of my emotions after becoming rich.

>>10324902
>>10325020
I believe it wholeheartedly. My dad made good money for himself, but he's still in the kitchen until 3am drinking whiskey by himself. He still had an unimpressive kid (me), no matter how much he invested in me. He's still been divorced five times. He sent me to a private school for kids, where most people were much better off than me, and all those kids had cocaine problems. It seemed like a sliding scale, where the richest kids were the ones with the most problems.

I used to envy my friends with poorer families because it seemed like they had ambitions and happy families. We humans weren't meant to have all our needs met. I fear UBI.

>>10325053
Have you tried ABA for your bro?

>>10325086
>I used to envy my friends with poorer families because it seemed like they had ambitions and happy families
>It seemed like a sliding scale, where the richest kids were the ones with the most problems.
>I fear UBI.

Do you expect UBI to be handing out >70k or something?

>>10325107
No. But the value of goods will in all likelihood continue to decline, and who knows what portion of any population would stop trying at anything once they realise they don't need to do anything to get a decent life. People ultimately reject nihilism, so I'm afraid of where that need for meaning will go if a sizeable portion of people no longer see a point in personal, material progress.

I could be totally wrong, but let's be honest, we just don't know.

>>10325038
what? we call him juden peterstein

>>10324932
>right-leaning circles
You know you're on /sci/ right?

>>10325053
are you the valhalla guy?

>>10325119
>and who knows what portion of any population would stop trying at anything once they realise they don't need to do anything to get a decent life.
i think most conceptions of UBI are that it gives you enough money to just kinda exist and buy necessities, not have a "decent life".

>>10326797
Do those 'necessities' involve food and a computer in a world where job opportunities are limited? Because you can see where I'm going with this.

>>10326921
i would imagine it would cover basic, generic food. government cheese shit. if they want to scrimp to buy a computer, fine, but internet connections aren't cheap. plus, there's always the internet.

>>10326959
>always the library
typo

>>10324902
Consider that if you had money, you couldn't blame your problems on not having money.
Its like that thing Dostoyevsky said about a man with a toothache is the most content soul in the universe because theres no ambiguity about what is causing the pain and misery in your life. Every moan of agony is truly ecstatic because you don't have to curse man or god for your misery.

>>10326979
YOU DO IT TO YOURSELF, IT'S TRUE
THAT'S WHY IT REALLY HURTS
CAUSE YOU DO IT TO YOURSELF, JUST YOU
YOU AND NO ONE ELSE

>>10326959
>but internet connections aren't cheap
It'll be a human right by the time we have UBI.

>>10324932
I keep seeing this guy's name pop up, but the only thing I know about him is that he got popular because he cried crocodile tears that a law was getting implemented across Canada that was going to destroy the country even though he was living in a province that had already had the law for years. I see nothing has changed in Canada since the law was implemented nationally, but for some reason the people who started supporting him because of that have forgotten how it was supposed to, presumably because he's just a treadmill of telling his fanbase what they want to hear and they got distracted by the next manufactured outrage 2 seconds later.

>>10324902
HAPPINESS IS A STATE OF MIND

>>10325035
His stuff got pretty impressive results. His future authoring suite for instance.
He changed many lives for good.

Even when trolling you should at least respect that.. or you will sound pretty stupid

I make like $90k and I don't see how making a higher salary would really make my life any better. I guess if you handed me a check for enough money to do whatever I want without having to work then it would be nice, but working for more pay wouldn't change all that much. I can pay my bills without worrying about it, I save money and save for retirement, and buy pretty nice things. Higher paying jobs just have more responsibility and you have to work harder with less time to enjoy your money.

I've been around rich people enough to know that they're miserable too and always bitch about money all the time anyway.

>>10324932
>Alright somebody please explain to me why right-leaning circles keep shilling this fucking psychologist.
Because he represents their conservative views.

>>10324970
He literally only eats meat?
Who is the fucking retard who came up with that diet?

>>10325020
>the mandatory sacrificial element in maturing, when you sacrifice the pluripotentiallty of youth for the concretization of something you chose (and this is inevitable - if you don't do your choice it will be forced onto you 10 or 20 later, and that will mean trouble
This is a meme though. For non morons there is little to nothing stopping you from switching careers entirely including education multiple times in your life.

>>10324941
>pol shills him everywhere.
You mean /r9k/. He's too moderate for most /pol/tards

70k USD is the optimal point where a salary should after which we get diminishing returns.
We should cap income in society at that level so money isn't wasted on people.

>>10325053
Hi Notch

>>10326784
You know that 4chan isn't /pol/ right?

>>10325020
>People can't 'beat' him in debates - he disarms all traps trivially and quickly.

This is absolutely not true. He's been beaten by random trannies in the street.

>>10324902
>believe in
gtfo faithfag

>>10325035
Best answer so far. If you haven't noticed, /pol/ types are a particularly mediocre, low-achieving type of crowd filling themselves with trigger politics to fill the hollow of their lives. Falling for a guy who panders to both their incompetence and political hot air is clearly a natural match.

>>10324902

I used to make 70k but now make 120k. I can buy a bigger house and have more white kids.

Don't let the Jews fool you.

>>10329961
omg you're so witty

>>10324902
My understanding is that it continues to go up, but more slowly.

>>10324902
>>10330348
part 2
Maybe stress gets worse beyond 75k (because you're doing more work), but comfort/luxury continues to improve, and these effects roughly cancel out and lead to a mostly flat line.