/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10314777
We dont

We don't, just fuck off if you're not here to discuss science or math.

>>10314777
I do, to be honest. The problems are numerous, but the two most important are dogmatic thinking and pretension. A large number of med students unthinkingly regurgitate the viewpoints they have been taught. Moreover, they get angry at you if you try to apply some reasonable scrutiny to an issue that they are taught is "settled science". ADHD is a good example of this, but frankly there are hundreds. Whatever you believe about ADHD, we can all agree that its definition and treatment are tenuous at best. Try to bring this up to a med student. "You don't understand. You're not a professional. How dare you think for yourself!" No other scientific field shares this level of hostility to differing opinions (expect maybe Bill Nye the Science guy meme stuff)

The second reason I hate med students is their unmitigated inexhaustible pretension. This was hinted at above. If you try to disagree or even question one of their claims they invariably respond with an argument that essentially boils down to "I'm better than you." The problem here is very similar to the problem with police officers. We can all agree that at least some police officers are obnoxious assholes. However, you can't often speak about this publicly because people lose their minds and starting raving about what great heroes they are and how you don't respect them etc. The fact of the matter is that med students are often obnoxious people and frequently misinformed. Yet they have an infantile ability to take criticism. At the slightest suggestion that they may be wrong, they throw a tantrum and hide behind their hero complexes.

I think medicine is a very important institution in any society and am genuinely disappointed that our culture selects such lowly and dislikable people to be its practitioners.

>>10314777
As a molecular biology student I hate medicine students. They simply pass with the lowest grades, are allowed to work long hours at hospitals for high pay while still being students, and get jobs after their degree making fat stacks no matter how poor their grades were.
They live life on easy mode and are handed money all the time simply for dealing with and talking to sick patients instead of doing science, while the rest of us languish in our unemployment pits and have to push ourselves during both our student life and professional life to get jobs. We compete against 50+ people for undergraduate research jobs and with 400+ people for regular jobs.

>>10314777
They'll get to make tons of money on top of having job security (inb4 muh AI, it'll never replace doctors)

>>10314958
This. Pre meds at my school take the easiest possible majors and the easiest possible courses. Here I am with my 3.95 while taking a rigorous major well they get a 4.0 with a generic biology degree, having the gall to see themselves as superior.

>>10314915
>I think medicine is a very important institution in any society and am genuinely disappointed that our culture selects such lowly and dislikable people to be its practitioners.

Bingo. I know so many people who are in medicine but are complete shitheads. Some of them are completely unethical (confirmed cheaters and scammers), but they still got in somehow. And they take that attitude with them when they go into practice.

>>10314777
Not a science.

>>10314915
A lot of this is the fault of parents / other less educated people.
>What do you do for a living?
>>I'm in medical school
>[A bunch of nearly incoherent rambling about how smart you must be]
And we wonder why these people develop a complex. I'm not forgiving it; pieces of shit are still pieces of shit. But it helps a bit to sympathize. People need to realize you can be doing medicine / research / grad school and still be a complete fucking idiot and we shouldn't be putting these people up on a pedestal until they have proven themselves in someway other than by virtue of what they are currently going to school for.

>>10315266
>People need to realize you can be doing medicine / research / grad school and still be a complete fucking idiot
The SAT/GRE and other "scholastic aptitude tests" (IQ-tests) weed out the retards from competitive fields and STEM grad school

>>10314778
>>10314811
Fuck off medfags. This board is for math and science

>>10315302
They're supposed to, but they don't. You can game the system by taking enough drugs and cramming and then immediately dumping everything you "learned" thereafter.

>>10314915
Fucking this. Med student are drones. Plus they steal all the spots in the cool classes for my major

Some time ago I had a med student gf. She was one of most egoistical, sadistic and materialistic people I ever met. She started studying med because money, she did not feel any empathy to other people at all. Hopefuly she did not finish it, as when I knew her she was struggling with unorganic chemistry.

I cant stress enough how cold and unemotional person she was. She had a boyfriend of 7 years at the time I met her, then she almost forced herself into my bed (I had no idea of that guy). Then she lied both to me and him, because, well, I actually dont even know. It was very ugly story and I dont even want to talk about it, but her behaviour in the matter was completely sick. Moving goalposts, lying to both of us and even herself, creating problems just to manipulate people.

She felt better than me even as I had MA already for 2 years and she was struggling with third year. She was such control freak you phone was ringing NON STOP every time she knew you were with any friends.

It was fucking horrible. Most med students in my country are like that. Promise of money makes worst of the worst go to med. Going to hospital is terryfing experience and often those morons with superiority complex will kill you, not the sickness. That happened already to few people I knew.

Hard to like them if you see something like that.

>>10314777
med students are all soulless leeches and 99.9% of them are complete brainlets. it's honestly frightening to think that one of these retards might potentially be doing surgery on me one day; i really hope robots phase them out of existence before that time comes for my own safety.

>>10314777
/sci/ hates any field that isn't basic research or pure math. Imagine the elves from LOTR looking down on all us filthy technicians, engineers, and MDs as we do "real work" while the high IQ MATH GODS contemplate the very nature of the universe. We would do well to suffer their insults and hope they rain more knowledge down upon us, so that we can turn that knowledge into widgets and boner pills for our betters. Such is life

>>10315302
t. never taken any of those tests (fuck off underageb& btw). a clever middle school student could unironically score above the 90th percentile on the general GRE, let alone the fucking SAT

>>10315385
>You can game the system by taking enough drugs and cramming and then immediately dumping everything you "learned" thereafter.
You literally can´t do what you describe, since the tests I mentioned are heavily g-loaded.

>>10315537
>a clever middle school student could unironically score above the 90th percentile on the general GRE, let alone the fucking SAT
>a clever student could attain a high score on a standardized test
What does suffering from brainletism feel like?

>>10315534
>Imagine the elves from LOTR looking down on all us filthy technicians, engineers, and MDs as we do "real work"
Someone needs to be in the mines, may as well be Dwarves like you.

t. Elven master race.

I'm in medical school in Canada and I agree with much of what has been said. I have a background in pharmacy and did an MSc before medical school, and here are observations based on my experience:

pharmacy: the people are unbelievably, genuinely nice. Slightly on the shy side and for whatever reason very feminine (even many of the guys). No 'alphas' but I didnt care, I miss them.

MSc - very smart people in my lab/department doing grad school, but it seemed like socially they weren't all there, ranging from slightly weird to totally inept.

Medicine - the people are outwardly nice, but as you get to know them you see many (not all obviously) are incredibly self-absorbed and love to hear themselves talk. Twice in the last week I've entered the school at the same time as a classmate, struck up a conversation with them, and then when we got to the elevator an attending or lecturer or someone who could potentially help them with their career walked in and they just completely checked out of the conversation with me and put on this fake 'omg hey dr. so and so!' It's really gross.

Actual med students are fine, its pre-meds we hate

>>10314777
They don’t have any interest in chemistry or biology, took as few math and physics and orgo courses as they possibly could, rely on literal fucking flow charts and nurses to do their job, don’t do any research, are almost exclusively motivated by occulted narcissistic personality complexes or outright avaricious sociopaths and speak like niggers about anything requiring serious deductive reasoning. They are on the same level as software eng’s and engie subhumans. Cannot discuss anything with them and their moral maturation is almost always stunted or self deceptive. Horrible people, never have i met a HC professional who did not hate their patients or desire more money for less hours or admit to spamming prescriptions to get rid of people.

>>10314777
Rote memorization is not science

My experience TA'ing science courses is that pre-meds don't give a single fuck about the science they're learning, they only care about the final grade they get. They wouldn't be taking the course if it wasnt a prereq for med school. They're a nightmare about point grubbing too.

>>10314958
Then why don't you go into medicine if you're so hopeless and desperate to find a job. Afterall it's easy like you said. Oh wait you're just another larping idiot on an anonymous messaging board. Med school is much harder than your faggot bio major. True, alot of "premeds" are pompous little twats. But these are the people who dropout after they realise how abysmally shit their gpa is. In my school gaining admission into med school is very competitive and difficult. Those who gain entry are actually very smart and dedicated, and spend several hours outside of school volunteering while maintaining high GPAs. Most also come from biochemistry, not your generic shit bio degree, as here they also factor in the number of credits you take and the difficulty of your program when considering you. So no retard who went into kiniseiolgy as an easy route can get it. Your seething jealousy is transparent.

>>10314777
it's the intellectual equivalent of getting 99 woodcutting - simple, but tedious. it's just grinding.
the difference is that runescape players don't have any delusions of grandeur.
>t. med school student

>>10315302
you don't need either for med school.

>>10315534
>t. EE

>>10315801
Not the guy you are replying to but....the number of hoops and baroque rituals entailed in things like internships and residencies etc, the protectionist tactics to limit the number of doctors at every point with a medieval guild mentality, it's all too much.

Putting up with those head games and stress is madness in the 21st century when machines are poised to hit many specialties hard.

>>10314915
But that's the thing , I AM better than you

>>10315801
which med schools take into account the difficulty of your program?

>>10314777
I don't hate them, it's just that it's not a scientific field. Not that that takes away from how important and valuable the field of healthcare is, it's just that it isn't really an appropriate topic of discussion for this board.
The one healthcare-centric field that is scientific is epidemiology.

>>10315817
Will let you know when the latest vr porn simulator has arrived, milord

>>10315655
You have my axe

>>10314777
Medical students are obnoxious and this is a universal fact. Moreover, medicine requires zero thinking and it is all just memorization.

>>10315630
>>10315624
You can always have a rich dad pay for a million dollar tutor to help you game the GRE. By virtue of money, you’re at the 1% of the cohort. Or you could be like me, just get thrown in an asian country and forced to fend for myself in a heavily academically competitive environment.

>>10316317
Without my superior intellect your field would be in jeapordy because you wouldn't have a table of fourier transforms seething brainlet

>>10316390
Of course my liege I meant no disrespect.

>>10315504
Why in the world would you want to go into biological research?

>>10316418
you would better hope not, otherwise i would be forced to rape your plebian wife. Your sarcasm doesnt make you any less of a brainlet. By all means carry on, it is entertaining to see you cope with mockery.

NOT A SCIENCE
A
SCIENCE

>>10315766
tfw no pharmacy bf

>>10315514
Wow, she sounds like a sociopath. I actually think there are a lot of sociopaths in medicine

Because a lot of MD students have a gigantic ego, just as a lot of /sci/ users do. I can tell you though, MD student forums aren't plastered with threads about how bad researchers and PhDs are.

>>10315308
Bbbut I need help on orgo.

>>10315782

there is no course anybody else can teach you, that is not based on memorization

>>10317128
They you are a brainlet.
t. Hated orgo; am brainlet

>>10314777
>Everything I can't diagnose is depression

My pet peeve with doctors

>>10317136
I can word good to!

>>10314915
>Moreover, they get angry at you if you try to apply some reasonable scrutiny to an issue that they are taught is "settled science". ADHD is a good example of this, but frankly there are hundreds. Whatever you believe about ADHD, we can all agree that its definition and treatment are tenuous at best.

The problem is when layman, dipshit nobodies on the internet think they have the authority to dispute medical literature. They probably don't mind competing theories by actual doctors.

>>10315823
Which specialties are gonna get hit the hardest by machines?

>>10317204
Proctology

Probably because premeds are really self-absorbed people who achieve personal value from high grades and MCAT scores, mostly as a result of figuring out how to succeed in the college educational system. Many of them come from money (like myself), and as a result, can afford to work summers unpaid at high powered institutions (like I did myself) without realizing that they got to where they are because their parents paid their way there. Many of us realized the advantage we had early on, but a great deal of med students don't, and as a result, they see themselves as God's gift to humanity.

Furthermore, when they do research, it's generally pretty half-assed and done only to check the pre-med box. It takes spots away from people who would take the work seriously as an opportunity to build into a career. Instead, you see 3.95 retard Asians working 5 hours a week in great labs just so they can tell some medical school they worked there, casting aside the intelligent PhD or pharmacy track student who would take a research project and give it the time and dedication to blossom it into something actually impressive.

In short, med students are book monkeys who can memorize facts super good, oftentimes wasting or neglecting their intellectual potential in the pursuit of pristine GPAs in easy majors.

Not everyone has to be a mathematician, physicist or bioengineer, but someone who wants to pursue a science-driven career should at least give more of a shit than "uhhh wahhh orgo so hard." Makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

>t. one of them

>>10317206
Why?

>>10317204
Pathology, radiology, oncology (to a certain extent). Basically anything on the "medicine" side as opposed to surgery.

Surgery is safe until we can get autonomous robots.

>>10317209
Just shitposting really.
On a more serious note I think diagnosis by computer is going to be a thing in the next few decades. It would've been already if it wasn't for liability issues and other non technical problems.
Frankly google is already better than the average GP.

All I'm getting from this thread is projection and jealousy

>>10315534
/sci/ are a bunch of bitter awkward math virgins who know they'd never make it in med school

>>10315801
>just go back to medical school bro
>spend another decade after the one you already spent in school

>>10315016
Both 3.95 and 4.0 are incredible easy to get. Any retard could get a 4.0 in an American uni.

>>10318706
you just have to be the best in the american uni. Then they curve you upwards and give you full marks.
British people do this too. I wonder how long these anglos will be able to keep up this fraud and set the standard

>>10315766
Well it's sad that those sorts of people find more success in becoming doctors, especially in Canada. Every level of the process is cutthroat.

>>10317196
>The problem is when layman, dipshit nobodies on the internet think they have the authority to dispute medical literature.
You are making doctors out to be these wise philosophers who painstakingly analyze volumes of complex research. We all know this is a ridiculous. Most doctors rarely open a medical journal after graduating from med school. I return to my example of ADHD. The idea that doctors believe ADHD to be a legitimate medical condition because they have an exhaustive understanding of the available literature is laughable. The reason your average GP believes in ADHD is because he was told this in med school and never bothered to question it. The thing that is so frustrating is, despite having no understanding of the topic beyond the four lectures he sort of paid attention to 10 years ago, the doctor will act as though ADHD is infallible, unequivocal truth and aggressively condescend anyone who holds a different opinion. Arguing with extreme confidence while actually having no real knowledge is how a child approaches a debate. You cannot expect anyone to respect you if you act in this manner.

>>10314915
Shut up and take your anti-depresseants goy

t. medfag

Reading the experiences in this thread is really interesting as a person who is interested in studying med.
I think my greatest motivation to archiev it would be financial freedom, lazyness to a degree, big empathy, good memorising and desire to help people.
So all in all everything "negative" about meds can be adressed to me but the process of becoming one will most likely be the biggest development of a more shitty person. I just hope the good things outweigh the bad things.

>>10319340
These people are past the point of reason anon, ignore them.

>do less work than in high school
>top 30% student
it's a meme. literally the only hard part is biochemistry, you can bullshit through the rest.

>>10319340

Ditto. Id put it as "medical researcher != doctor, clinician"

Real answer: The kind of people who come here have nothing in common with the kind of people who want to work in medicine.

>>10320251
this, the people that work in medicine actually get jobs

>>10314915
>Yet they have an infantile ability to take criticism. At the slightest suggestion that they may be wrong, they throw a tantrum and hide behind their hero complexes.
This is so true.
>>10317196
Medical literature is just as available on the internet as every other science and math. Not only that, but pharma has captured the medical industry entirely, buying out universities to teach students that health can only be attained by using as many pills as possible.
Even if you're a medical professional, if you differ from the herd and say "This drug may not be safe" or "this food may not be good for the body" or "this one specific aspect of a specific vaccine may have a negative health impact"(not all, just an unknown aspect) you will be ostracized and attacked viciously even if you have a medical degree and back your claims up, just the suggestion of these things is enough to warrant them to get you fired, stripped of your license and your personal character assassinated publicly.

Pharma has captured medicine and teaches it's students to treat differing ideas with hostility and arrogance.

What country

>>10317196
You are an american. You are not a human being. You are a slave to the jews

>>10319110
Yeah it is. I wish the admissions process could somehow weed that out but I dont know if thats possible, people will game whatever system is in place.

>recovering from a stroke

AMA?

I hate doctors with a passion, they're 2nd to lawyers for being corrupt assholes.

This thread feels like it'll give me answers.

Halfway through rad tech school and I desperately want to quit because I get treated like shit, am always busy and keep fucking up basic shit under supervision because I get nervous. The way I see it I have a few options:

>I just finish things up and then immediately switch to med
>I finish things up and specialize into MRI or some shit where I'm practically working on my own all day
>I quit now and join the army because if I'm going to hate my job and get treated like shit I may as well get some gains

>>10319340
Hits the nail on the head

>>10322894
I’m taking pre-reqs for an ADN because dummy in HS. If all doesn’t go to plan I’ll just go full tard and join the army and hopefully die in a freak accident.

>Tfw just want to help people out from a medical standpoint and live a relatively positive lifestyle

>>10322963
Are you a guy or grill? Are you gay? What sort of personality do you have? Just curious about the whole male nurse thing.

>>10322970
I am a str8 dude who has some novice leadership skills (managing people that do simple labor and make hourly wages). My intial major was communications but switched due to the absolute state of journalism + not a major fan of extensive research. Social for the most part and have hobbies expected of a guy in his early 20s like working out and vidyas.

As far as male nursing goes I could care less about the stigma. My grandmother was an charge nurse for over 20 years in the cardiac ward and says she’s seen some terrible things happen to her patients. If we’re going off the stereotype that women are weak/sentimental towards the sickness and death that happens within their respected wards than wouldn't the emotional burdens of those given situations be handled best by males who generally don’t become as mentally stressed? Not to sound like a lib but it’s one of those things that would probably best benefit with an equal mix of both genders.

threads like these are why im going into surgery lol

>>10323036
It would benefit from both genders, but in my experience working in a mostly female ward will leave you being treated like a social retard and punching bag for when roasties get stressed.

>>10314777
I dont, I hate bad doctors and shitty people.

I scored 270 on step 1 and am going for a comfy derm life

>>10319340
>never bother to question it
being a conspiracy theorist and reading crunchy mommy blogs is not how exactly you question science or medicine is retard

because med students go on to get jobs.. half of self proclaimed philosophers and researchers here sitting with a useless ph.d never get to actually use it on a daily basis and it shows with how much salt is in this thread

>>10322894
Do Med if you can bear the debt. If not, do MRI and try to learn some AI stuff. If you're too dumb to ever keep up with the technological Joneses, take the army route.

>>10314915
you are a very high level retard if you think that just because we don't have a 100% crystal clear understanding of how a certain disease occurs, it means we can't attempt to treat it. From mental disorders to many physical disorders. We still don't know how lithium helps in bipolar patients, but taking it makes someone clinically not functioning to go and live a normal life.

Clearly you have never provided actual care to patients or have seen how their lives can be affected by conditions you probably think are made up by the BiG pHArma

>>10314915
nice bait

>>10318706
Well too bad I'm not at an American uni.

Medical professionals have nothing to do with science. They are basically lawyers concerning medical treatment. They have a rudimentary understanding of what they do but pretty much just go off what their textbook or spreadsheet or flow chart tells them.

If they stray from the rigid protocols they are humiliated and de-doctored.

Don't even get me fucking started on dentists.

>>10324198
why not just open up a private practice in somewhere like south dakota where the demand is high and the cost of living low? Seems even more comfy.

>>10324241
>We still don't know how lithium helps in bipolar patients, but taking it makes someone clinically not functioning to go and live a normal life.
I sort of get what you mean. Ime what tends to happen, however, is that medical professionals don't bother to take a rudimentary look at things like the MoA of a lot of medication, so talking about concerns or side effects starts to get very weird especially with "mood stabilizers". I had to follow up a bunch of stuff a few years back with people on high dose risperidone, an atypical antipsychotic often used for "mood stabilization", that has a really weird list of side effects. Being an HDAC inhibitor no list of side effects is ever going to be exhaustive either. Talking to the heads of psychiatry prescribing this stuff however, mentioning any of this stuff just meant you got blank stares, it wasn't until the Johnson and Johnson case started happening that they started to get people off of it.

So many idiots I knew from school are med school right now. I'm kind of jealous cause my research professor memed me into thinking I could be a research assistant at a company, then apply to a PhD program after a couple years, but life did not turn out like that. A lot of the kids from biomed sci that could barely pass organic chemistry, or even understand glycolysis are in med school. Granted the majority aren't at top schools, but still, I'm pretty jelly knowing they'll be making $200K+ when they become doctors while I sit around wasting away in QC temp hell

>>10316325
This, seems like most of the time I go to a Doctor they’re just trying to guess what you have instead of actually being certain.
I can’t wait until robots replace them, I’m sure the robots eventually will get better at diagnosing than the Doctors.

https://youtu.be/l7ICZHPPTtY

>>10314915
>>10319340

what is going on guys?
what's wrong about diagnosing ADHD?

>>10325992
That's why I'm planning to learn programming and a bit of college level maths even though i'll be going to med school.

>>10324241
Yeah, because diagnosing a 10 year old with a neurological disorder based on his inability to focus on his fractions homework, and then prescribing him an analogue of cocaine as a "treatment" is helping the boy so much. You're right. Psychiatrists are the real heroes. I have no right to question the legitimacy of an ostensible medical condition which is backed by zero empirical research.

>>10315828
No, you're not.

Holy shit
>The amount of salt ITT
Makes me proud of being a medfag

>>10326631
>being proud of your parent's money

>>10326657
>Parent's money
>Med school
Oh my dude, you know nothing

>>10314777
One of my physics profs once said "engineers are mentally conditioned" and I think the same applies to premed.
Most med students are also normies. I remember when I went from taking bio courses to physics courses one of my first thoughts was "wow everyone here is so unique"

>>10326499
nah i guess you beat the shit out of the kid unless he does his homework

>>10326670
the ph.d fags ITTdon't want to accept that fact that most med students take over 250K in loans to pay for med school. they just want to be salty because they spend their life on a useless ph.d degree while medchads make bank

>>10324294
yeah because being held responsible for the life of hundreds of patients has nothing to do with science but your useless ph degree is so much more honorable

>>10327201
if we cared about making bank we wouldn't have gone to grad school. nobody goes into science because they care about money

>>10327225
yeah you go to grad school to earn a useless degree that will have zero practical effect on the world. clearly you are salty about something though

>>10315534
Meanwhile they can't reach consensus how much a jar of flies should weight.

>>10327237
mostly i'm salty that my student fees don't cover campus clinic access during the summer

>>10327269
I'd be salty too

>spend most of your time in the library and/or lab
vs
>held responsible for the literal lives of hundreds of randos at the gunpoint of malpractice and loss of license
do /sci/fags not understand why MDs make a lot of money? its high risk high reward

FUCK DOCTORS

>>10314777
because they are closer to assessors than scientists.

>>10314915
>tfw I went into dentistry
feels good to own my own business, man. Med students were always dicks when we ran into them.

>>10317196
I used to believe this until I realized that the FDA is probably all insanely corrupt. IUDs are causing an epidemic of infertility in this country, you can find multiple class-action lawsuit websites about it, but not a single peep is made in the press and patients aren't warned about this before the devices are implanted.

Probably because this is a feature, not a bug.

>>10315772
>took as few math and physics and orgo courses as they possibly could
duh
how many law courses do engineers take?

rely on literal fucking flow charts
lolno

and nurses to do their job,
wtf?

>don’t do any research
absurd

You must be talking about pre-med. What country are you in?

The main problems in this thread are
1) some people are considering pre-med to be medical students, they're certainly not
2) we are dealing in stereotypes here and the structure of medical education, and the attitudes of the cohort are going to vary wildly, country to country
3) some of the motivation here seems defensive, leading one to believe it stems from personal issues like jealousy and resentment, or being defensive (applies to both sides of the coin)
4) Russia sent nuclear-capable bombers to Venezuela, so none of this matters if the world is about to end

>>10315308
You should get sledgehammered in the skull

>>10314777
In that pic they all look like such smug pieces of shit.

>>10328320
>>10328278
t. medfag sociopath with 6k debt handing out heart medication scripts to boomers

>>10328630
>6k debt
6,000 rubles?

>>10314777
They're annoying to me as a biofag because they drag down the difficulty of the courses, since like 1/2 my uni is premed (or pre-PA, rather). They get their own special classes for every non-major subject they have to take (ochem, physics, etc). Those aren't so bad, because I can just not take them, but the classes I have to take w/ premeds are way easier than those without.
For me, it was just lower div shit, so it wasn't so bad, but it really fucks the biochem guys.

Premeds also don't tend to give a shit about research, but always try to "get into a lab" since it looks good on med school apps. I know my PI has a strict "no pre-med" rule, and I've heard a few others have the same.

Honestly, it's mostly the uni's fault for capitulating.

>>10329159
>biology
>difficult

Pffftt ahahahhahahgagahhahahhahahahhah

I just shit on premeds and med students because they're annoying. "look at me I'm in medicine; I'm helping people! Aren't I a good person?"

Yeah shut the fuck up, if you didn't exist someone else would fill your place easily. Try really helping people by contributing to science then we'll talk.

>>10324241
>We still don't know how lithium helps in bipolar patients, but taking it makes someone clinically not functioning to go and live a normal life.
And destroys the kidneys in the process. Whether that's an acceptable tradeoff depends on whether the mania would make the patient flame out first vs the effects of kidney damage.

>>10327220
>being held responsible for the life of hundreds of patients has nothing to do with science but your useless ph degree is so much more honorable
Who do you think invented things like MRI machines? Fucking ingrates would be poking around sucking wounds with their fingers and throwing chicken bones to prognosticate without the PhDs to invent literally every tool you have. Show some gratitude, technician.

>>10317244
No one is impressed by doctors, loser.

>>10329206
implying most scientists aren't lab monkeys that won't amount to anything significant including yourself

also
"if you didn't exist someone else would fill your place easily"

that goes for every occupation, even president, retard

/sci/ probably values autistic research more than shallow, applicable natsci skills that doctors have.

>>10329452
surely you're joking? Go ask any amount of random people whether they hold physicist/mathematicians or doctors in higher regard.

>>10315834
Why is /sci/ so obsessed with difficulty? Med schools don't give a shit about the supposed difficulty of your program. Only if it's relevant to the actual subject and how well you did in the courses. It's almost like you're all insecure 16 year olds.

>>10324294
As a dental student, I now totally fucking get why people hate dentists. I have made several patients that I've been told are "unmanageable" like me by showing an iota of empathy towards them and their concerns. Bugman turboautist chinks in my class are sending me all their "difficult" patients (patients that actually request justification for their treatment) now.

>>10329716
They'd all say mathematicians/physicists are smarter and more impressive

>>10329763
People like doctors more because they're perceived to have power - it's the same reason why terrible people tend to become doctors. They enjoy the sensation of being in control over other people. Women often rate Surgeon as being one of the most attractive job titles even though financier or something like that probably pays more for this exact reason, it's a signal of alphaness or sociopathy that gives them natural ability to control other people.

>>10314915
i agree
t. medfag
but still for every one person that isn't retarded and has good criticism for our practices you get 6 million other soccer moms that say that carrots are the devil and that wifi and magnets will kill them
it's a type of mentality you need to get when talking to retards and because medicine is a subject that everyone has skin in the game you get a lot of retards

honestly lads have you seen the amount of streetshitters and chinks that are starting to give medicine a sort of butcher vibe
thank god i don't live in burgerland anymore though laddies

They are too humanistic

>>10329820
Medicine is one of the few fields where you can specifically request appointments with particular providers, just say something like "oh, I heard from a friend that you were good". If you have a chink or poo as a doctor stop IMMEDIATELY and get a white gentile ASAP.

Only time this is out of your hands is if you get admitted to a hospital or something.

>>10329838
They aren't humanistic enough. Robotic thinking and failure to actually address the patient's concerns is why Chinks and Poos make for terrible physicians. They sperg out if you question their judgements at all. They aren't even really humans in that regard, merely software algorithims that interpret lab tests and symptoms into a diagnosis, then dispense appropriate ZOG-approved medication.

>>10329839
there was this one story a week or so ago where some lady wanted a scotish person to treat her and this jihadi nurse asked her to clarify what scotish meant and basically forced her to get what doctor is available at the threat of making a fuss/calling her a racist

>>10329849
this
it's like comparing fixing a car with your mechanic buddy versus sending your car off to some chink factory

>>10329852
Perfect example, narcissistic poo bitch didn't even see the patient as someone she's obligated to care for (care in this context can include facilitating care with someone she's comfortable with) and saw her as a cheap way to score signaling points. Asians in medicine are total fucking robots that freak out if someone wants to have any input at all into their care. Have heard many of these med students in my class spew bile about how some filthy prole questioned their judgment today and how they hope harm comes upon them as a result.

>>10329862
Not really relevant in medicine anymore but many dental practices are still family run operations and you should 100% be seeing a white (non Jewish) one if at all possible.

>>10329863
lad do you feel like the shit you're learning in med school is actually valuable information
i'm a first year med fag and i don't know if it's because i'm still at the beginning of med school or if i have shitty teachers but i keep getting the feeling like i'm just being jerked around into wasting time so i can get a grade and forget 80% of the shit afterwords
learning doesn't have that feeling of purpose but a random string of arbitrary facts i'm required to learn just so some sheet of paper has a different mark on it
it's antithetical to the feeling of learning you get when you study something yourself, where you connect all the valuable things in your brain and categorize them in a purposeful way
it could be because it's all so disconnected from the the application at the beginning
ie the difference between math and engineering
where math is some circularly logical thing in the world of forms but engineering is hands on
now that i think about it every subject i've hated in school has always been some disconnected arbitrary shit that isn't applied to the real world once
sorry for the blogpost mate

>>10327285
Most of them dont even make that much money. Anyone who ends up as a GP is making about as much money as we do.

>>10329912
>Anyone who ends up as a GP
ishygddt laderino

>>10329907
About to go to the gym m8 but I will reply to you in a few hours when I get back. In short, I definitely know that feeling.

>>10329912
Dentistry is where the real money is nowadays but even that is getting ruined because of DSOs

>>10329948
get a pr today mate
good luck

>>10315235
someone sound the retard alarm.

>being upset at people because they chose a quality career path with actual growth and dealing with people instead of doing fucking paperwork or stuck in a lab.

lmao doctors are universally loved for a reason.

The best thing about being a med student is you don't have to explain anyone what you actually study and where you're gonna work when you graduate. Just enjoy that wow-effect.

its already been stated, but the very nature of the profession discourages experimentation, and malpractice compounds that problem
every practicing doctor I've seen has simply trusted the conclusion of the radiologist with no further inquiry
they are not on par with scientists or researchers, but are instead extremely well trained laborers, whose empathy becomes cauterized by continuous interaction with people
they can...become....researchers of course.
>IGOR, do you have the shovel yet

They're normalfags who only care about muh status, FUCK THEM

also they have a brighter financial future than me...

>>10329907
>>10329963
Ok, back. Yes, I know exactly what you mean. A large part of medical school is teaching you knowledge you need to pass the pt. 1 and 2 board exams. Med schools are evaluated on how many of their student are able to pass/fail and are a huge part of the metric used to determine how "good" a school is. So yes, you learn a shitton of information that you then can forget right away once you've passed the appropriate exam.

It's basically a Confucian model of learning rather than a western or philisophical method of learning - wrote memorization over learning how to think. Obviously there is some amount of base knowledge that you need to carry around with you at all times but that is vastly smaller than you'd think. The most important thing in being a doctor is knowing how to think (more difficult than you'd think for most people) and having basic empathy for other people so they feel that their concerns are being listened to which makes them trust your decisions.

Obviously, these things can't really be taught, which is why doctors have the reputation they do currently. Just learn what you have to to pass the tests, accept it as part of the process to become a doctor, and focus on not becoming a robotic prick.

One field that is very bigbrain and requires a lot of logic is Anatomic Pathology, you should check it out if you don't mind the lack of human contact. Very interesting, requires high levels of anatomical and biochemical knowledge to perform correctly. You actually do need to know large portions of abstract knowledge about genetics and cell biology in order to understand how lab tests work and how to potentially design new ones.

>>10330335
it fucking sucks dick for someone that really likes learning things logically
i have no drive to actually learn shit when i know i'm doing it for some shitty grade
on the topic of fields i kinda like oncology tbqh
as the population ages my business would get larger and larger :^)

>>10330361
an aging population increases the workload in a lot of fields anon, not just oncology

old people tend to get a lot of shit

>>10330361
Yeah, I struggled with this too until I had a come to Jesus moment where I realized I wasn't going to get to do any kind of medicine unless I had the discipline to meet the requirements for the school. It sucks, I know, but you have to be stoic about since it's out of your control. Try studying in a group if possible, it helps to have other people to hold you accountable and vice versa.

>>10330136
Suprisingly untrue anon, 4 year cost of attendance at, say Tufts university, is $260,400. Of course these are all Grad Plus loans, so they accrue interest while you are in school. Then, you have to residency afterwards. So you are borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars and allowing it to accumulate interest for a long time without having a means to pay it back. If you fail to match to a residency (it DOES happen), you're fucked.

Of course I am doing a military scholarship which pays for school in full and gives guaranteed residency match so I don't have to worry about any of this :^).

>>10330606
btw just realized this number doesn't include rent so it's actually a lot more than 260k

i'm a med student an im better than all of you

bye haters

>>10330629
Shit y'all just got roasted. Take my upvote xD

>>10330606
>Try studying in a group if possible, it helps to have other people to hold you accountable and vice versa.
the only time i've been able to study more than a couple of days before a test was with a gf
and let me tell you getting one is out of the question for an autism like me

>>10314777
Because fuck em' that's why

>>10330606
>unironically being a burger and going to uni
lmao i'm in med school for basically free mate

>>10330844
The military is paying me (not much, mind you, but it's enough to live on) to go to school for free.

>>10330866
yeah but you could have died for israel and are now starting medschool like 4 years late?

>>10330877
No I am going to be a dr for people who might die for israel after I graduate. It's like ROTC but for medical professions. You go straight to Lieutenant/Captain (O-3) rank.

>>10330908
so you don't start later cause of the army
like don't you have boot camp and then service and all that so you can go to med school afterwords?

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>>10330927
No, I had a brief swearing in ceremony then they just said fuck off for 4 years and we'll see you when you graduate. I have to go to Officer bootcamp when I graduate but that's only about 4 or 5 weeks.

Anons who are doing medicine in Burgerland should really consider it, it gets you out of a shitload of loan debt and military jobs are really cushy in terms of benefits, PTO, etc. Guaranteed residency placement as well which is pretty cool.

>>10330936
embarrassing

>>10330938
that's strange
i thought that you had to be in the army, then get out after a couple of years to get your free college thing
guess it isn't the same with what you're doing
try not to die for israel though

>>10329197
>many biology classes are easy
Yes, because of the premeds. Glad you understood my point.

>>10329197
it can be difficult if you want it to be or you can skim over as much math and chemistry and physics and abstraction as possible to push people through the class for grade massaging

>>10330948

there is nothing difficult in biology. i TA d mathematics for biologists. it can be learned in less than 4 hours. like 30% of them still failed it even though we gave them the same problems with different numbers
actual med school students are smarter than biologists by far

>>10330944
I figure I'll use the ZOGbux to have 4 or 5 white babies so at least there's that

>>10331066
I'm not white and I'll have 4-6 none white babies to counter you.

>>10331076

i will kill all of your children to balance things out and breed ostriches instead

>>10315828

>>10331076
Couldn't care less my man, I actually think all races should be involved in their own forms of racial nationalism. How can we all get along without having self-respect first?

>>10331081
based
>>10331076
>implying you have the money to raise 1 child

>>10315809
Namefag

>>10326022
It's a meme condition that can be self treated without medicine. It's universally known that ADHD medicine actually makes the condition worse than if you were to just find a way to cope.

Is med school really as hard as it's made out to be and what would make /sci/ hate doctors less?

>>10331275

it is a lot of work. you can become a doctor without being passionate about medicine. but you have to work your ass off.
the competition is extreme.
you definitely dont need to be extremely smart.
but you have to be discplined as fuck. i've never met a fat doctor.

>>10331275
>Is med school really as hard as it's made out to be
No, unless you are brainlet. I put about 40 hours a week into school on average, no more than an average job.

>>10331564

does that include going to classes or not?

>>10314958
shut the fuck up

You are youre own problem. Med students are not to blame

What happened to /med/? I mean it was 90% bitching and blogposting but still it was fun.

>>10332184
you just got older, that is the difference

>>10314777
Bunch of literal cunts and welfare queers.

>>10331613
Yes, classes and studying together make up about 40-50 hours a week. I have a large base of knowledge to draw from already though since I was a medical technologist before going to school.

>>10314958
>>10332142
This is more the fault of unfettered chink/poo immigration than it is med students. You want to get paid a living wage to be a lab technician? Eliminate the H1b program, birthright citizenship, and repeal the 1965 immigration act.

>>10331065
>mathematics for biologists
This is exactly the kind of "special class for premeds" I was talking about. I don't doubt that everyone in it sucked. Do you really think, say, biochem majors would take something like that, and not just regular math?

>>10332434

thats the point of med school, when you know a lot of stuff, you can answer a lot of questions, its meant to educate you broadly , not specifically

>>10332794
premeds dont exist in my country, but med students need to take an iq test and get 120+ to enter at all
biologists, biochemists and so on are not required to take anything and their mathematics are a joke and everybody knows this lol

>>10332794
My school had a dumbed down 3 credit calculus for wannabe doctors and business dolts as well "Calculus for life sciences and business".

Imagine being too dumb for calc I.

>>10314958
You hate them because they get in while you slave away in a shitty lab

>>10326022
Because low doses of amphetamines help everyone perform better, regardless of ADHD. The issue is that 70mg of adderall is insane to be giving ANYONE on a daily basis.
People would be better off with between 5 to 10mg twice a day.

>>10327201
>medchads make bank
>250k in debt

Really jogs the noggin.

Pretty sure I'm wealthier than most medfags with my CS Bachelors degree. Mostly because I've been working for 4 years by the time they finally start a residency. And I have no debt at all.

>>10333076
nah, I could have gotten in. My unis molecular biology program is very prestigious it's higher to get into this than it is it get into medicine. I made a mistake because I should have picked medicine anyway and live life on easy mode

>>10333110

> i could have

this is what every. single. person. i met that works a shitty job and is miserable with their life says when they talk about doctors lol
my ex did it, my former boss did it, and now even some fucking retard on sci does it

>>10333115
I make more money than you with a 4 year degree and I just type on a keyboard all day. Meanwhile you get covered in piss and shit and will probably get sued for malpractice.

>>10317133
This, ppl act like math and physics don't require memorization. Hello?! how else are you gonna solve problems on a test during those constraints and possibly get a good score. You basically have to memorize the tricks of the book to even attempt at a good score within that time frame. You literally memorize proofs and physics problems to get a good score. Oh wait you don't memorize? That explains your 2.0 gpa

>>10333125

cope

>>10333162
Your in debt tears are delicious.
Someone please send help, I'm drowning in all my tech startup money and I don't know how to spend it all.

>>10333115
that's not what I meant. I had a higher grade point average than is required to get into medicine so I literally could have, but because I'm socially awkward I didn't choose it.
It's not my fault society values butterflies over moths

>>10333169
>>10333170

> MUHHH STARTUP

> average for medicine

you are delusional and you are lying. there is no place on earth where medical school is easier to get into than biochemistry or molecular anything
every single university with a reputation worth a dime has very competitive entrance exams and criteria for med school
in europe you have to take an IQ test and prove you have higher than 120+
unless you buy a spot in some shitty eastern euro school

>>10333179
okay you win. I can't prove my argument because that would dox me. Go on considering whatever you assumed about me

>>10333179
>entrance exams
must be nice living in a shithole like usa hahaha

>>10333203

its literally this way everywhere on the planet, that you can not study medicine because its restricted heavily
much more so than every other programme by a large margin

>>10333195

ofc i win , im a med student, im by default better than you

>>10333210
>>>10333203(You)#
>
>its literally this way everywhere on the planet, that you can not study medicine because its restricted heavily
>much more so than every other programme by a large margin
>
>>>10333195(You)#
>
>ofc i win , im a med student, im by default better than you

okay now I think you're just a /pol/tard. No medical student acts like this at my uni

>>10333217

i can't hear you from up here but keep sperging out losers

I dont hate them... It only pisses me of that they arent using SI units or their derivatives
like wtf is mmhg

>>10333226
they are stupid, and it's sad we rely on them. They do nothing but memorization

they dont even use mercury thermometers anymore ... still they use mmhg

>>10333231
its better to have a stupid doctor than no doctor... Besides smart people should do professions like research etc...

>>10333232
>>10333226

> he doesnt use the aristocratic element of mercury and instead relies on water as a reference point

lol

>>10333179
okay nevermind, I have my old acceptance letter in my email. Here you can see I got in. I declined of course because it's beneath me. And this isn't east europe. It's north europe.

>>10333252

> Remember that you must thank Yes for the place no later than 22 August

nice fake letter bro , you get a written physical letter in northern europe when you are accepted , i know it, because im from there myself you retard

>>10333261
can't you see it's been put through google translate. Holy shit you're an idiot

>>10333261
>post your physical letter
you think I care enough to do that?

>>10333263
>>10333265

stop arguing unless you are a med student or a doctor
go repeat your meaningless lab tests a 1000 times and tell yourself your life has a purpose by shitting out a paper nobody will ever read except yourself and your advisor

>>10333273
I could have been but I chose the harder life because I hate doctors and I hate you.
You don't do science.

>>10333296

> i chose a harder life!!!!

choosing a harder life is not an excuse for being an unproductive social failure
you are going to end up just like all the other 99.9999% of "MUH SUPERIOR TO MEDFAGS" people: irrelevant until your death mindlessly repeating braindead experiments you subconsciously already know will not lead to any results but have to keep doing them just so your prof can wank off in some journal

cya you pathetic slave

>>10333296
>>10333273
Guys please :(

Why we can't all just get along

>>10333304
we can get along if the medfags share their wealth with the rest of us.

>>10333306

you don't deserve to get paid anything since you contribute nothing to society
i literally hire 10 of you for the price of one medfag because you have no value

>>10333312
we create new knowledge so we are the only ones advancing society. You guys merely maintain it

>>10333317

YOU are not creating ANYTHING. you are just coasting by on the shoulders of giants which make up less than 0.00001% of all of you.
The only reason you are even a "scientist" is because society memed you into it, not because you are actually productive.

If you were, you'd be polishing your nobel prize right now. I'm certian the only thing you get to polish is your erlenmeyer flask, and your prof probably makes you do it in your free time as well .

>>10333273
Ask yourself this - as a doctor, had you been replaced with any of the other hundred applicants vying for your same job, would there /really/ be any marginal difference in how well your patients live?

>>10333252
good to know that european medical schools only slightly outpace nigerian scammers in english literacy

>>10333326

Ask yourself this: have you ever produced anything of value ? Helped anybody with anything your mind has produced?

didn't think so. I know the answer. Even the worst doctors help other humans.

Almost all scientists have no value, they are merely fodder to keep the university running, and the self aware ones KNOW this. They KNOW it. WHich is why they either get burnt out or leave academia as soon as they have a chance to.

>>10333333
>inb4 "w-we don't do that here!"

>>10333339
>Ask yourself this: have you ever produced anything of value ? Helped anybody with anything your mind has produced?

Potentially, yeah. The nature of science is a slow-burning fuse. When you scribble a prescription for Humira to your 60 year old patient with rheumatoid arthritis, you only get to claim that you 'helped them' because some fuck at a tier-2 university did research into an obscure technique called phage display.

>Almost all scientists have no value, they are merely fodder to keep the university running, and the self aware ones KNOW this.

well seeing as how you're not a scientist and I am, I feel like I'm better equipped to say that's bullshit

>>10333348

> the nature of science is a slow fuse

so the answer is no. you are irrelevant and you'll stay irrelevant
nothing you do will benefit anybody

> im a scientist!!!

you are not a scientist, you are a braindead drone that has convinced himself he is competent at something and has a use when in reality he is completely worthless

a doctor derives value from the fact that he is competent at something that matters , a low tier scientist like yourself derives value from the funding he gets (which he has to beg for)

>>10333361
>so the answer is no. you are irrelevant and you'll stay irrelevant
>nothing you do will benefit anybody

You sound like a guy who's projecting his own insecurities onto others because you're unhappy with your job. My guess is that you were pushed into being a doctor by Asian/Indian parents and struggle to reconcile the stress of your career with your actual desire to do it.

Meanwhile, I do science because it's fun and might help save the world.

>you are not a scientist, you are a braindead drone that has convinced himself he is competent at something and has a use when in reality he is completely worthless

You still haven't answered my question about your marginal benefit as a /single/ doctor. Why are you specifically the one who holds that job? Could any of the other applicants do it just as good as you did? And if so, why can you claim you're so special?

>>10333369

> types an essay in a thread about medfags and needs to assure everybody that he could have become a doctor

look fuckstick, you are not a medfag, and whether you could have been one or not, is irrelevant

you aren't one. you have no say in this matter. you are some retarded bio-molecular-whatever retard, that will spend 99% of his time mindlessly repeating meaningless experiments for somebody else (not even for himself)

> benefit as a doctor

a doctor derives value from himself, thats why other people go to him
you have no value, which is why you need to constantly advertise your competence to others and hope they fall for it

> other applicants

i dont care about other applicants, everybody gets a shot to go to med school and what they make of it is their own choice
and if they dont or cant go its their problem not mine

anybody who claims med school is easier than biochem or molecular bio or anything pathetic where you end up doing SDS PAGES 24/7 is lying to themselves

>>10333333
BASED get

>>10314777
Don't know if I hate them since I don't know any medical student. But I can say that medics would be nothing more than with doctors if not for all the diagnostics tools that science have created. About their greater income in comparison with scientists, well, it's the same old story of capitalism: They earn more because they make people feel safer. Maybe a minority actually has life saving skills.

>>10333387
>look fuckstick, you are not a medfag, and whether you could have been one or not, is irrelevant

I did better than most of the pre-meds I knew in undergrad, so I'd like to think that my career choice was my own.

>a doctor derives value from himself, thats why other people go to him

You seem to be missing the point, which is this: doctors like you do the same thing for the vast majority of their patients. Your own personal agency as a problem solver, an intellectual, an educated person, is mostly irrelevant. You follow what's essentially a mental flowchart of what needs to be done for a six year old with whooping cough, a fifty year old with a sore knee, a thirty year old with swollen lymph nodes. There is nothing about /you/ in particular that's injected into your work. You are effectively a mechanic who is paid handsomely because your career requires a substantial number of years of schooling and has large barriers to entry.

>anybody who claims med school is easier than biochem or molecular bio or anything pathetic where you end up doing SDS PAGES 24/7 is lying to themselves

Now I'm convinced that your entire perspective on research is based on a one-year stint in an undergrad bio lab lol. Which you probably half-assed the entire time since you were only there for a line on your med school application. Please refer to pic related.

>>10333333
savage

Sadly, many anons in this thread are right: medicine is not science.
It's an art (in the classical meaning of the word, as woodworking and trades are arts) which bases itself on scientific notions without really understanding them (it's not really needed in clinical practice).
There are exceptions (epidemiology and ICU, as examples) but this is pretty much the rule.
And many, many med students are sociopaths or narcissistic at best.
I am a med student interested in psichiatry (biological basis of mental illness in particular) and you have no idea of how much ignorance and supponence there is in this field: most of people who works in it knows shit and tries to pass as a great saviour of human kind.
Med school surely made me regret going through it, not for the study per sè but for the people in it

>>10333333
>t. anglocentric fuck

>>10333302
Jesus, calm the fuck down

>>10335165
"medicine is not science its an art"
also regretting studying medicine because of "the people in it"
lmao

stop LARPing retard

>>10335316

>>10333339
>Almost all scientists have no value
This is straight up not true. Even mediocre scientists at mid rate universities produce important results constantly.

How extroverted do you need to be to go into medicine, regardless of specialty?
I wouldn't say I'm socially inept, but I'm not an outgoing person. I can talk to people and work in teams just fine, but I'm not particularly fun or charismatic, I just focus on efficiency.
Other than that, my grades are stellar, so am I worrying over nothing?

>>10318706
Your either that seething french fag or that brazilian favela fart monkey, either way kill yourself because it is obvious you are buttblasted that you couldnt get into an american university

>>10327237
No further explanation is needed as to why we hate med students, you are a maggot, a worm. You are a prostitute.

>>10335777
Yeah, it's not a big deal, you can do it

>>10336163
Are some specialties inherently more "social" than others? I'm interested in general surgery.

>>10331282
>i've never met a fat doctor
most doctors i meet are out of shape

>>10332890
>med students need to take an iq test and get 120+ to enter at all
What.
Where the fuck do you live?

>>10329955
I thought the real money was specializing in cardiac/orthopaedics and then consulting and pushing off all low-paying xray stuff to the radiologists while keeping the highest paying cases.

>>10336193
That's very competitive (usually attracts the stereotipical "alphas") but it's pretty autistic in its own way and prettyI demanding, physically speaking (imagine standing up for hours, doing little to no motion and with uncomfortable postures) but yeah, you could do it.
If you don't want to "socialise", safe choices are pathology or forensics.

>>10330606
If you want to become a military doctor when do you register (during college? Before med school? During med school?) and how long do you have to serve in the military before you can leave and practice yourself?

>>10336288
I'm good at competition and good at autistically focusing on tasks until completion, sounds like a good fit.
>If you don't want to "socialise"
I just don't want to be expected to be amiable and outgoing, or constantly present myself in a likable way. I guess that makes me sound like an asshole, but I'm pretty good with people in general.

>>10336364
your personality is great for a surgeon.

>>10314915
I had a physical recently and I asked the nurse what the two different numbers for blood pressure meant and what units of pressure the machine used. She was a qualified and obviously practicing nurse and thought mmHg was millimoles haemoglobin. I tried to gently persuade her that it was millimetres of Mercury, that Hg was the elemental symbol and explain the principles of a manometer. I could see this upset her and she pretty much brushed it off and made reference to what a teacher told her years ago.

>>10314915
This. Medical students and workers alike parrot so much shit it's sad, and what's worse is it ends up like the telephone game and by the time that medfag applies what they think is solid knowledge to helping you chances are it's at least partially incorrect/flawed information they working with.

>>10333093
>250k in debt
>pay it back in 2 years if you spend money on only the essentials

>>10336749
During residency they only earn around 55k per year but yeah even so, after they complete it they earn around 200k+ and can go upwards of 400k if they are in a surgery specialty and that's not counting money made outside of the hospital hours

>>10336301
You sign up before school starts but after you get admitted. It's 1 year active duty for every 1 year they support you in school, so 4 years maximum.

Not that guy, I am doing the same program but for dental school. However, I believe the rules are very similar.

>>10330938
There are alot of dumbass doctors be prepared laddy.
T. Air force enlisted worker in da hospital

>>10315788
this

>>10337142
Perhaps but I can focus on being "one of the good ones". I suspect the quality will rise soon anyways because the cost of school has gotten so ridiculous that people are coming into the program that never would have considered previously.

>>10336749
250k debt that accrues 7% interest the entire time you're in school and unable to pay it back you mean.