/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10285289
Shame top tier physicists like Carroll and Guth suddenly began arguing for a eternal universe .I wonder how they do it

>he thinks there's giant walls out there marking the edges of the universe

>>10285336
>>10285332
>bro i travelled around the earth and did not even fall off the earth once do you believe in edges lol

>>10285332
>I wonder how they do it

It's motivated by religion (aka christianity) says otherwise therefore we must be contrarian.

>>10285336
>doesn't understand mathematics

kek

>>10285336
>he doesnt know what a vaccum bubble is
>he doesnt know its still expanding

>He thinks math is empirical

>The universe is expanding, therefore not infinite

>>10285289
>caring about reality

>>10285478
infinity +1 is infinity so it's possible

>>10285289
>he tries to argue about philosophy on a science board

>>10285483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMonlRsJ5hY

>>10285499
epic wojak meme

>>10285484
>they goyim know! shut it down!!

>>10285289
>He thinks this universe is fundamental

>>10285509
>he's having an existential crisis

>>10285361
I think Dawkins was the worst thing to ever happen to science with his movement .

>>10285489
>panic reply

>>10285526
>his movement
more specific?

>>10285565
>implying I don't agree with you
It's just not something that can be verified. And therefore pretty much a waste of time and brain power, unless you're trying to incorporate it into first principles which it doesn't really seem like you are.

>>10285289
i draw a circle
there i just drew you an infinite distance

>>10285367
And what's beyond the bubble? What happens when you're right at the edge and try to get beyond the border?

>>10285584
you dont reach lightspeed and you never get beyond the border

>>10285583
no you didn´t
neither does walking around the world make you walk an infinite distance. it´s just a closed world you can´t escape

>>10285584
see>>10285594

>>10285289
The only thing that matters is scale when it comes talking about infinity and reality. Distance through space is just a concept of scale and relativity. So if we can keep on looking at smaller and smaller "things", then we are essentially proving that infinity exists, or at least proving that we can't yet say for sure it doesn't. Greater scales aren't even really possibly for us, hence why we seem to be confused about infinity at our own scale (distance to something, ie, edge of the observable universe).

We are just a socially grouped organism with limited intellectual capabilities and sensory functionality; we are incapable of grasping the idea of something "greater" than us.

>>10285567
Well not exactly his I understand.But do I have to spell it out to you ? The new Atheist """""""""""science enthusiasts """""""" poison science with their shit .

>>10285289
Your stupidity is proof of it.

>>10285635
>i learnee mak agumant

>>10285642
See.

>>10285647
Yeah i see my post but no argument coming from your shaved asshole

>>10285652
Actually my asshole isn't shaved so that one more thing you are wrong about dumbass.

>>10285663
Then shave it and put that shit on your face so you can act like a man who brings arguments to a discussion

>>10285672
What is your obsession with shit?

>>10285289
Time.

>>10285691
Infinity is infinite bigger than a few billion

>>10285471
Only social justice theories aren't

>>10285289
We are approaching the point where the number of times this thread gets made begins to prove that it does.

>>10285834
You crunch you lose

>>10285289
>infinity doesnt exists in reality
How many gf's do you not have?

>>10285289
*the view within the reflection of two mirrors facing eachother*

>>10285946
Nailed it!

>>10285289
It does. Love is infinite.

>>10285708
Wrong direction.

>>10286141
DELETE THIS

>>10285289
How do we descripbe how much of a faggot you are then OP?

>>10285289
Brainlet here. What's the argument? If you counted to the highest number in the universe and added 1 would it blow up the universe?

>>10285336
No but it would be like pacman where you wrap around the other side.

>>10285584
The bubble gets bigger so you don’t see the outside, even if you get outside the bubble, which you can’t, space would be entangled with you. Making wherever you are an extension of the universe. That’s why you can’t get outside of it.

>>10286202
Yeah, but what's outside the bubble?

>>10286213
Nothing exists outside the bubble until we observe it. Once we observe it then it’s just an extension of space.

>>10286213
We don't currently know. We don't even know if it is nothing like >>10286216 said.

>>10285289

>>10285336
>>10285594
>>10285604
>>10286202
>>10286216
this is why I like to come here from time to time. thanks.

>>10286216
So it is infinite then. No matter what if any matter makes it to the edge it will create more universe in it's path. You know, Being infinite.
I wonder what happens to light around that edge.

If you move away from earth at greater or equal to escape velocity, the time that it takes you to return is infinite. Therefore infinity exists in reality.
Not to mention that the inverse of something valued at zero is infinite, so infinity wouldnt exist, neither would zero, which is evidently not the case

>>10288197
No it just means it's "not defined" much like when you try to divide by zero.

>Circles are real

based sine from mod

>>10288349
>assuming you can't just rotate ship backwards and hit eath with your ship.

>>10285594
That sounds fucking gay.

>>10285946
Limited by the speed of light no?

>>10286141
It doesn't exist

>>10289668
anon i feel obligated to tell you that it does but that doesn´t mean you will get it in return

>>10288181

>>10285289
After I die, for how long will I remain dead?
Exactly.

>>10285946
Finite number of photons.
Once and given photon is "seen" it is no longer being reflected between mirrors.
Etc.

>>10290642
Until matter randomly arranges in a way that creates a new consciousness for you. Given unlimited time, this is guaranteed to happen. Because you don't experience the time when you're dead, this seems to happen instantly after death.

>>10290702
How do you know it hasn't already happened?

>>10290706
It probably has... and will keep happening. There's an infinity for you.

>>10290702

My consciousness in my body right now will never come back to life. I will still be dead, infinitely, by the general medical defintion of 'dead'. There is not a time in the future I will rise back to life after I'm dead. So, I will remain dead for an *infinite* amount of time. Thank you, next thread

>>10288197
That's not what infinity is, infinity is bigger than (n+1) where n is whatever number you want.

>>10290753
What if I want 0? Does it mean 1 is infinite?

I'm pretty sure the universe is finite in space but infinite in time

I could be convinced otherwise

>>10290195
I'm not even the anon but that hit me

>>10290702
you just said unlimited time

>>10290912
Yeah, I think time goes on infinitely.

>>10290702
>this is guaranteed to happen
No it's not.

>>10285672
I bet this sounded good in your head

Infinity is a figment of the human imagination. Literally nothing can be declared infinite.

>>10291282
>he still didn´t get over it

>>10291297
Define infinity. Then define space. Then define eternal. Then define time.

Checkmate.

>>10291297
Locus proves infinity.

>>10288542
Only reason this is called "near-perfect" is because of budget/measurement technology limitations.
It's perfect.
https://www.wired.com/2011/05/electrons-are-near-perfect-spheres/

Latitude is .5∞, longitude is ∞, vectorial redshift out is .5∞^2, and vectorial blueshift in is .5∞^2 which gives ∞^2 vectorial dimensions.
Dimensions loop, including volume, which gives the property of Locus: each thing sitting inside itself surrounded by the INFINITE depths of itself.

>>10290729
Lol how the fuck do you know?

It’s a really really really good guess, but why do people act so sure? It’s like being unborn and claiming you’ll never leave the void

How many real numbers are there greater than zero but smaller than one? (There's infinity of them.)

There are in fact an infinite amount of infinities.

>*mind blown*

>>10292720
>>10292747
maybe you should read the thread or at least the op.
math != reality

Here's a challenge to the finitists: how many natural numbers do exist?

You can't say an infinte amount, because you argue infinity doesn't exist.

You can't say as arbitrarily many as I want, because for any given number, I can prove by counter-example that another number exists.

You can't say you don't know, because if you don't know how many naturals there are, how can you write down a proof by induction and be sure you aren't relying on non-existent numbers, or the converse, that you aren't writing down a weaker version of the proof that you could be writing down, because you are not applying the thesis of your proof to some numbers that do exist and it could be applied to, but you aren't considering?

>>10292906
>>10292867

>>10292867
>El Arcón
>El Niño

>>10292867
Math does equal reality.
Just because lots of compounded equations happen at once doesn't mean reality isn't math.

>>10292957
>Math does equal reality.
no it doesnt.
math is man made

>>10293010
Everything that ever existed or will ever exist can rotate which is math.

>>10293020
reality can be described with math
reality is still not math

>>10293029
An accurate description of the thing is the thing.

>>10293034
is the representation of the thing, the thing? I'd say no.
math is just a bunch of programs for the computers that are our brains (or our actual computers even).
heck, even the universe might be an illusion. the whole of 4channel might be as well be a bunch of poo-zombies.
the only think I know exists is myself and my subjective experience

>>10293041
le solipsism face

>>10293034
no a painting of the mona lisa is not the person named mona lisa you fucking moron

>>10293111
based trips

>>10293029
Not that anon, but where is this reality that isn’t being described for you
.
>>10293041

Solipsism is cool and all to end a conversation but where does it lead? It also seems inconvenient and like it would entail you are playing an elaborate trick on yourself

>>10293182
>Solipsism is cool and all to end a conversation but where does it lead?
To the looney bin, probably. But I shall fear no man.

>>10293111
ONE perspective is not an accurate description of anything you fucking moron

>>10294005
who cares it was one example, you still have 0 basis to claim
>An accurate description of the thing is the thing.

>>10285289
theres not even infinity in math. its just a short hand and rounding

>>10293034
Based retard

>>10285584
you le cannot.

no. im serious.

this is how math and physics fags actually respond to this question. they actually think in their tiny pea minds that it is simply not possible, because the numbers told them it shouldn't be possible. this is what happens when the liberal progressive bullshit totally invades academia and invalidates any real possibility of rational thinking.

>>10285594
still a better barrier than trumps wall

>>10294701
>the most insurmountable barrier is a better barrier
...i mean, no shit?

>>10294700
they say you cant because it doesnt follow from the definitions we use you moron

>>10292906
There are L natural numbers. L is by definition the last number.
QED

>>10294044
If it smells like a rose, feels like a rose, and stings like a rose, then it probably IS a rose. You moron.

>>10294888
Completely irrelevant.

>>10295107
Meaning?

>>10286179
You'd never reach it.

>>10294700
It's fucking hilarious, just watch it crumble

>>10290919
Wrong.

>>10295284
Let reality be defined by the real numbers. How many real numbers are there?

>>10292642
How I know energy won't naturally fall back from chaos to order, breaking the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Eh, I dont know, just a guess, retard.

>>10285478
But there is infinite possibilities for universes. Our universe exists because a single data point was projected as 1, instead of 0 from a higher dimension

>he tries to argue that any mathematical object exists in reality
>he tries to argue that any object exists in reality

>>10295394
Ohhhhhh thank you for clearing that up, that really convinced me

>>10290757
No it means that infinity is bigger than 1. Atleast read before you reply.

>>10286141
I'm so lonely....

>>10294745
Much as I think that is BS, I am troubled by infinitesimals. So you have this infinitesimal e which is so small that e2=0, why then doesn't 1/e=L?

>>10295534
>e2=0
OK, that was e superscript 2 when I typed it

>>10294298
Brainlet

>>10295468
Hey, brainlet question here. Aren't all positive whole number infinities bigger than one? Can you have a positve infinity made up of whoe numbers that's smaller than one, or two?

>>10295534
>>10295540
If e squared is 0, then wouldn’t e = 0? I don’t think you can just perform arithmetic operations with infinitesimals like that

>>10295402
>But there is infinite possibilities for universes
no there aren't, there's just 1, the one that actually exists

>>10295839
That is what the other anon was saying you retarded pretentious fuck.

>>10293029
Cell division and genetic inheritance behave according to 1/2^n which is math that proves math isn't man made.
Also, a cell of a wasp comb and one next to it have centers separated by 1/(3^.5) the distance of the next one inline perpendicular to them which proves math isn't man made.

>>10294888
A description of the thing does not have the same properties as the thing you fucking idiot.
what the fuck do you not understand about that

youre claiming that a description of a rose has a smell rather than just being able to describe the smell
youre literally just creating a construct of the thing rather than a description.

if i map out every gene in a flower, it will be a perfect description of the flower.
the map WILL NOT smell like a flower.

youre stupid

>>10296429
>that proves math isn't man made.
no it does not
it proves that some aspects of the world can be described with math

Infinity is a paradox and literally impossible to truly grasp. The concept of the existence of an "infinity" is merely theoretical.

>>10296065
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_number

>>10297272
Interesting, but then 1/e is still undefined since dual numbers are invertible

>>10285289
kek


kys

>>10297358
whoops
*not invertible if the real part is zero