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ultra-high-res of the concrete rocket jig

>>10264138
The concrete is just an assembly jig.

>>10264164
for the rocket parts, correct. It seems to function mostly as a stand-off so workers can install hardware, and secondarily as a frame for fitting sections.

>>10264102
Based Shures

These welds do look like shit, but I only have a tad of TIG and MIG experience so perhaps I'm missing something

>>10264214
The scale is a little hard to comprehend. I would assume this is closer to ship welding than your typical sheet metal welding

When the rocket stands before us like a tower of glass and steel
Then no words in any language can express the way we feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WLE6FpAcVs

full-res goodness.
from: http://spilife.com/spacex/spacex-boca-chica/

the overlap in the nose pieces is interesting. I doubt the final design will be like that, the off the shelf sheets probably don't come in "rocket nose-cone" size thus this method of wrapping them on

>>10264246
In the final design they will be rolled first so they are nice and uniform, this looks like they just grabbed flat sheets and bashed and spot welded them into place which I guess doesn't matter too much for these grasshopper tests.

>>10264246
It impresses me that some parts are so botched. I get that it's quick, but still, put some effort into your work. It's like when you have shift work in a factory and that one shift has a guy that doesn't know what he's doing and he's always screwing stuff up and making your team look bad.

uh, oh. hmm.

>>10264268
Agreed, actual flight versions (not test hoppers) will look as neat and pretty as Falcon 9 does, with no buckling of welded panels and crap. It's just way faster and cheaper to build this hopper using manual labor and genie lifts rather than build the entire set of rollers and other tooling they'll eventually need, also the hopper doesn't have nearly the same mass constraints so there's no problem being sloppy.

>>10264290
Good cunts at SpaceX bringing in a prostitute for those welders as a thank you for working through christmas and new years.

>>10264246
It's all coming together now...

>>10264296
....future space colonies are going to be exactly like Outland with Sean Connery, aren't they. Seedy. Prostitutes. Drug smuggling. Angry wardens with sawed-off shotguns.

>>10264305
All poor people will emigrate/get shipped off to the colonies. Earth will be for the elite/those who can afford to live here.

>>10264290
She finally found a dildo that's big enough for her

>>10264138
melted pikachu in the bottom right corner

Chang'e-4 landing should be happening about now

>>10264290
What's with the anime pose. I can imagine her thinking: "So this is the power of stainless steel..."

>>10264223
>>10264214
You also don't get the weld staying in the same alloy phases as before with stainless. You tend to polish that bit off, it maybe looks very very bad because it's so large so a lot of one metal in the allow has formed a phase on the outside.

>>10264348
based china with bombastic opera music overlay on their launch footage
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1080636825977409537

>>10264348
Is China landing rockets now too?

>>10264102
i thought this was going to be a huge spaceport? its just a patch of dirt on a swampy little island. how are you supposed to send millions of colonists to mars with this?

>>10264359

>>10264365
they will soon, Long March 8 will incorporate landing.

>>10264367
>I thought New York was supposed to be a huge city? its just a patch of dirt with a swampy little island. how are you supposed to house millions of colonists from Europe with this?

>>10264365

bruh

>>10264383
I laffed. Ooh, ah, a ha, ha, ha, hee hee hoo hoo, a ho, ho ho.

Guys my mom said she was having me assassinated what is assassinated

new photos from Tyler Rasmussen
thanks, Tyler

"I caught them bringing in fuel to the large tanks!" he says. I doubt this, but there is undoubtedly a lot of activity again

now, here's the important image of the bunch. there are now THREE holes in the side of the new cylinder section. Wonder what for?

>>10264348
Any way to watch it live? Tried here but got this shit.

>>10264446
well the CGTN YT channel should work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9JJDV6hLU

>>10264428
RCS at a guess, the placement is a bit random though.

>>10264448
Thanks!
>CGTN YT channel
>mfw I could not find this myself

Why does the BFR design keep changing? Isn’t this shit literally flying THIS YEAR?

Even this recent render is outdated

>>10264480
Nah I think that render is the most current one, it will just be shiny instead.

cant wait to drop $3,000 for point to point travel in under an hour anywhere on earth

>>10264383
Me irl

>>10264480
it kept changing until Elon picked up an old sci fi book, got inspired, and then screamed at his employees until they made it work

a hundred different sci-fi illustrators can't be wrong, after all (I hope)

>>10264505
>>10264503
>>10264496
Why did we do the spaceplane STS meme for like 40 years when conventional looking rockets were always the best?

>>10264517
Congress

>>10264517
the chair force and feature creep

>>10264517
>Why did we do the spaceplane STS meme for like 40 years when conventional looking rockets were always the best?

A trifecta of things that sounded awesome:
>Ultra light weight, low density, and high energy fuel
>Ultra light weight structural materials
>Spaceplanes

Things that had not been developed (at least in the West):
>Oxygen-rich combustion metallurgy
>Hot structure thermal protection systems
>Digital flight controls
>Engine-first reentry and lighting a rocket engine against a supersonic airstream

There is no fucking way that thing doesn't have some kind of fuel leak that will make it explode.

>>10264517
Gregg Easterbrook knew, as well as lots of other people
http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/shuttle/GoodbyeColumbia.html

>>10264410
that's when they put stuff up your ass

>>10264549
VERY large smart brain

>>10264496
also this

>>10264571
10/10 you made me lol anon thank you

>>10264517
C O N V E N T I O N A L
W I S D O M

oh well, I suppose we can’t have those cool sci-fi magnetic boots for walking on the outside for maintenance since SS isn’t magnet

>>10264707
some types of stainless are magnetic
some are only barely

>>10264708
since it’s so perfectly polished you could use suction cups.
wait a minute...

>>10264722
suction cups don't work in a vacuum

>>10264480
Because Musk uses his phantastic and groundbreaking ideas to generate attention and investor money and when it comes to actually implementing/building it reality kicks in and forces him to change it to be "boring" like everything that actually works.
Basically a fraudulent sheme to scam investors and tax payers, he has done this for years now.

>>10264730
stainless steel polished fully reusable ultra-heavy lift mars rockets aren’t boring, I’m pretty sure about that

>>10264722
t. dumbass

>>10264737
Don't reply to him

>>10264730
Current stainless steel BFR is a more radical design than any previous one shown so far in every way except scale, where only the original 2016 ITS was bigger. Compared to steel construction, no heat shield, active cooling during reentry, belly flop flaps, n' sheeit, a 12 meter carbon fiber vehicle with pretty normal everything else is not too extreme. Hell they're even going to get that 300 bar Raptor chamber pressure that everyone thought they were going to backpedal from immediately.

here’s a thought.
Previously there wasn’t a good way to abort if Super Heavy has an issue on launch, since the fully-loaded starship can’t land.
But, with the new siphoned methane system for cooling, might there be a way to prodigiously dump methane to lighten starship, enabling a landing to take place in an abort scenario?

>>10264775
don't forget the whole "surpassing soviet metallurgy for oxygen rich high temperature environments" thing
>>10264781
why can't a fully-loaded starship land? does it not have a >1 power/weight ratio? they already have an amazing ability to dump fuel (it's called Raptor, they have 7 of them)

>>10264846
I recall reading that it couldn’t get away from a kablammoing super heavy fast enough for it to matter - that might be what I’m thinking of

>>10264887
probably not, and being able to dump fuel in that scenario won't matter either
the only thing that can save you is an eject with the ability to get a lot of delta-v in really quickly, like the super draco thrusters [will] do for Dragon, and all the other launch escape systems
maybe the magical properties of steel will help

>>10264775
>300 bar
If you think that is something special you should do your homework the soviets have done it decades ago.

OH SAY CAN YOU SEEE

BY THE DAWN’S EARLY LIGHT

>>10264906
>>10264911
TOP FUCKING KEK

>>10264906
>>10264911
Now this is how you get the government to fund your shit. Bravo, Elon, Bravo.

>>10264911
>>10264906
AMERICA
FUCK YEAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQaH3-LK54

>>10264737
Okay talk to me again when he demonstrated dull reusability.
You relize that this just a mock up right.
Not even Musk is dumb enough to design a rocket made out of steel.

>>10264906
>>10264911
YES

>>10264768
Ok mr shill, you don't like your opinions to be callenged I guess.
Believing what papa Mus tells you is easier know.
Thinking is hard right?

>>10264906

>>10264897
No

>>10264927
>>10264925
>>10264923
>>10264918
USA USA USA USA USA

>>10264926
It won't be dull it will be shiny

Truly the greatest timeline

>>10264737
>stainless steel polished fully reusable ultra-heavy lift mars rockets
I only see a bad welding job to gain attention.
I can't believe how naive some people are, you realize that developing like the BFR costs billions and 10 years of work.
Remember falcon heavy?
It was not a great leap feom the F9 and yet SpaceX was 5 years late with their first launch.
The BFR is so insanely laughable out of reach for SpaceX that IF we will ever see it fly it will be in 10-15 years and it will be as downgraded like everything else Musk does.
Remember F9 2nd stage recovery?

AND THE ROCKETS RED GLARE

no reply for u fag

>>10264517
Star Trek started the spaceplane meme

commies truly ruin everything, even space commies

>>10264934
Yes Rd-170
Why do SpaceX fanboys have 0 interest / knowledge about rocket science?
Oh right they wouldn't fall for Musks bullshit if they would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80

>>10264962
245.2 bar <<<< 300 bar

>>10264966
>245.2 bar <<<< 300 bar
Beat me to it with your dubs of truth.

>>10264950
>fag responds
>fag writes a second post responding to the same post
FAG

STOP DOING ROCKETS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>When he starts replying to himself again

See how this South African ponzi sheme running fraud scammed 5 billion dollars out of a country filled with naive brainlets.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Alright hol’ up, let’s think about this for a second. They’ve put on Old Glory... to me this means that they’re closer than we think to the first test. It also means the exterior won’t have any additional cladding or paint applied to it.

Some people don't like rockets, but I like rockets.
Why do spastic posters always write three lines?
Post more rocket stuff, fuck yeah America!

>>10264972
Dude you are here 24/7 are you a SpaceX intern or something?
Sorry didn't know this is your safe space.
I will take my arguments and facts and leave you alone in your hivemind ok?

>When he complains about other people being on here 24/7 but literally does that himself because he has no life

>>10264979
i'm on Weld Watch

yes please do bugger off and take your constant one-sentence-per-line senseless rage with you, that would be splendid

thanks

>>10264975
>la times

This is not reddit, so no one will actually click on your click bait.

Murika posting is Reddit tier cringe.

you can leave without announcing it you know

>>10264979
thanks
see you in an hour

>>10264978
I love rockets, you don't love rockets you like sucking south african cock.
These threads are nothing but shilling and whenever someone wants to talk about engineering you guys scream safe space stop asking questions!!!
Go to /spacex where you belong.
This is a place for conversations not circlejerking

>>10264985
commie spotted

>>10264983
do not (you) the retard please

>>10264985
based and redpilled

>>10264980
Cute I am on my way to work retard. I visit these threads ever 10-20 hrs you on the other hand seem to live on 4 chan

>>10264989
i thought you were leaving

the soviets never got above 250 Bar or so

>>10264983
>soyuz.png

Is this what they use to control it?

>>10264995
Shhh just leave him be, hide the posts it helps the brain avoid the desire to interact. We have an american rocket to discuss here
(by way, the holes seem to be plugged with something?)

>>10264999
yeah, very important
dosbox is critical

>>10264906
>>10264911
Damn straight

This thread has made me a little bit more interested in psychology as a legit science.
Did you know that you can trigger someone by imitating a certain writing style?
It's actually quite interesting.

>>10264984
Screams "fake news" while crying.
You guys are the most ignorant group of people I have ever talked to.
You guys never argue or provide sources for your statements.
You guys are republicans right?
Only reps could be fact resistant, afraid to argue and challenge their views like you.

>>10265010
>hurr durr republicans!

I'm not even american LMAO

>>10265002
sorry, we can't really tell if the holes are plugged or what they're plugged with because of chronic shaky-camera syndrome

if you check the post times, you can see how he responds to himself repeatedly

>>10265012
It is disappointing in the quality of some of the photographs. The ones from NSF are always excellent, but everyone else’s are usually trash.
Luckily one of the locals who has already taken pics will be back with a drone & GoPro on Thursday for some aerial snaps

>>10264999
it's the interface presented to soyuz bois, if i recall correctly it's a copy of the control software but of course it doesn't do a lot because it finds all the ship subsystems missing. /g/ was digging into it something like 8 years ago.

>>10265008
Same guy posting the same rubbish in the same idiosyncratic style.
Big time retardation.
I'll take my peer reviewed opinions elsewhere.

>>10265004
I honestly don't know if you are joking.

>>10265008
>if I act like a retard, people will think I'm retarded
gee whiz, Dick

send someone down there who isn't using a piece of bread as a photographic medium

>>10265018
soviet software is really interesting, and not well known. Their engineering prowess certainly carried over. They had one of the only trinary computers, which worked on magic as far as I’m concerned

>>10265028
>trinary computers
what in the goddamn

>>10265028
*ternary

>>10265026
I’d do it but I’m 1400 miles away.

>>10265033
when Knuth says it’s the best system... it’s the best system. Wizardry I tell you!

>>10265014
Makes up conspiracy
How desperate are you guys I have never responded to myself.

>>10265028
I'm not certain if the pic is a joke since you can never know with the russians. I'm saying this as someone who is from a former eastern block country. We used to make computers that turned out to have architecture stolen from Apple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravetz_computers

no replies allowed

>>10265050
did you guys have a BBS equivalent back then?

>>10264296
>>10264314
>>10264349
short video, for what it’s worth https://youtu.be/U22VZjDqtc4

>>10265052
No, but people from the western parts of the country shifted their antennas to the west, and lowered the volume so they could listen to western music without getting caught by the police.

Jeez it’s late for me. Been spending too much time in these threads late at night.
With any luck we’ll get higher resolution photos of the holes and the flag tomorrow. Still waiting on that final crane lift...

>>10264906
Faker than the moon landings.

Besides the mosquitos it seems like it would be comfy to work down there

>>10264954
>AND THE ROCKETS RED GLARE
THE BOMBS BURSTING IN AIR

>>10265056
So jelly of the people who live at Boca Chica.

What's the purpose of this thing anyway? Some marketing stunt?

>Look ma I posted it again!

>>10264989
>This is a place for conversations not circlejerking
Do you not normally come to 4chan?

>>10265120
Don't reply to him

>>10265071
That wasn't grasshopper

>>10265112
Testing technologies that will be used on BFR
Doesn't have to be pretty or have super tight tolerances because it won't go above 5km altitude, it's just for hops and hovers.

>>10265137
>Testing technologies that will be used on BFR
>Doesn't have to be pretty or have super tight tolerances because it won't go above 5km altitude, it's just for hops and hovers.

I feel like I'm being memed on here

>>10265140
It's a newspace thing; you probably wouldn't get it.

>>10265140
Nah it's true
They're apparently starting from scratch on their control algorithms because Starship is going to have to deal with completely different flight modes and shit so very little of Falcon 9 programming carries over anyway.

>>10265140
Why do tanks, engines and rcs thrusters require perfectly welded and sealed exterior plates when it neither goes to space or particularly fast

>>10265112
>he's back at it again

>>10265137
Don't reply to him man

>>10265168
no reply

>>10264559
>Some suspect the tile mounting is the least of Columbia's difficulties. "I don't think anybody appreciates the depths of the problems," Kapryan says. The tiles are the most important system NASA has ever designed as "safe life." That means there is no back-up for them. If they fail, the shuttle burns on reentry.
Ouch.

>>10264517
Plenty of books on the topic it's a long story
tl;dr
>ICBMs, gubments, tradition

Good decisions are often taken much later than they should have been.

>>10265140
Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy started out as this little guy.

why does a pipe dream need nine threads?

>>10265342
because fans of musk are a cult
thank God we don't have that many hyperloop threads and at least they're nonretarded enough to realize that building cars has little to do with science

>It's another episode of replying to himself to fish for (you)s

>>ohhhh no the russians did 300 bar decades ago....
>>ohhh no H is the best and CH4 is a meme ..... for NTR
>>ohhhh nooo SpaceX and Tesla are going bankrupt any day now
>>ohhh I need sources for every sentence
Go back to your safe space on leddit you know the one with all the contrarians...

>>10265360
here's (you)rs.

>>10265360
>it's another episode of schizo musk fan thinking there exists only one hater of his idol in the entire Mongolian goat farming board

Your posting style is embarrassingly identical, at least try to make them sound different when you samefag.

>its physically impossible for the musktard to imagine two people writing the same

>>10265371
we don't even really write the same. English isn't even my first language, where are you from fellow samefag?

Reminder to make this retarded cunt upset simply deny him (you)s and watch him sperg out.

>h-heh im not mad, y-you are!
sure thing, musktard.

>>10265375
at least sinking the thread and watching you sperg out about "muh samefag" "muh (you)s", "muh Reddit" while being a muskfag is literally the most normie thing one could do is more fin

CШA! CШA! CШA!

>>10265435
OH ASKEW IT

>>10265435
Put me on the screencap!

>>10265435
Mamma Mia
History in front of us
What a time to be alive boys

>>10265435
Shouldn't the flame be blue? Looks shopped

>>10265435
You got a video link? When did this happen?

>>10265435
they did it. they fucking did it. elon truly is a genius. i take back everything ive said about spacex.

>>10265441
>>10265446
>>10265448
>>10265450
>>10265452

it is shopped, please contain your orgasms..

>>10265448

Raptor flame is kinda blue-purple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efbq-ptd3ng

>>10265457
WELCOME SHERLOCK

render with flag

>>10265457
Sherlock has arrived

>>10265457
Shut up porky short seller.

>>10265446
>>10265448
>>10265450
>>10265452
>tfw spacex fans either are so retarded they can't recognise a shitty shop, or are so unfunny they found a literal shop of a prototype flying hilarious
both of these scenarios are deeply saddening

>>10265457
t. salty ULA employee

>>10265457
OMG I'm such a brainlet :'(:'( thanks anonuchi I love you ^_^^_^:-*:-*=_=

reminder to not respond to the redditfaggot

>>10265466
see >>10265467

>>10265469
Which one?

>>10265467
You mean I helped launch most of NASA's scientific missions?
I'll take that as an compliment

>>10265462
>mfw the US flag will get burned into the side of the spaceship after first reentry due to different reflectivity

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1080814148269862913?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Meanwhile on a foggy morning, at a little known launch pad in Florida...

>>10265481
Have your fun but know the Starliner is going to win the race.
In the industry its common knowledge that docking is a no-go for the spacex craft and that only close approach will be practiced for the crewed test launch.
Boeing however is going to dock and get the flag which is the only thing that counts. Spacex should be happy they even received some money not meant for them. Not gonna happen anymore.

>>10265473
The retarded one.

>>10265485
That's some clever-er than average FUD, I'll grant you that.

>>10265502
It was created by an actual Boeing employee, so you'd expect it to be...

>>10265435
A good day to be an American

>>10265517
There'd be no need to spread FUD if the company's management wasn't hell-bent on sponging tax dollars by any means possible.

>>10264571
Look at those welds and tell me the entire thing won't have a single leak when pressurized.

>>10265481
Fantastic, DM-1 can’t come soon enough

>>10265478
they’ll probably put it on the Leeward side

>>10265256
Falcon 9 was launching before Grasshopper. Grasshopper was just the first test platform for landing.

Closer...

It's there!

>>10265674
time for ERECTING

I want to see the ULA trolls rage when the abort test re-uses the splashed rocket.

>>10265683
Little Joe II 2: electric boogaloo

>>10264480
Because it's one thing to create a giant rocket and another thing to create a giant rocket that can land and be ready to fly again a day later with minimal costs.

New work on the legs

>>10264349
Absolutely underrated

>>10265797
nice

>>10265797
What's the cost estimate if the US gov contracted something like this to oldspace? 4-5 million and 6 months?

>>10265854
4-5 billion and 6 years

>>10265797
Nice

The steel looks so flimsy!

MY COUNTRY 'TIS OF THEEE

>>10265862
It's like when a kid has wrapped something in tinfoil.

>>10265865
I am jealous of your country
Rooting for ISRO is getting boring

>>10265859
I was asking about the prototype not the feasibility studies.

ventilation? fueling? these are the holes we've been seeing

>>10265865
>The future is SHINY AND CHROME

>>10265878
those tubes on the inside are standard sucky sucky vacuum ventilation ducts

>>10265885
I always knew Elon was kinky

>>10265885
Air breathing rocket?

>>10265889
maybe they have somebody inside the rocket welding
it's a confined space, you can get gas buildup which will fucking kill you
the world's largest exit bag

>>10265885
Nothing makes sense.

>>10265878
>>10265885
>>10265889
Have you ever seen a Falcon 9 vent before launch? The liquid oxygen evaporates over time (which is why the constantly top up the tanks) and needs somewhere to escape, I assume this is what these vents are for.

>>10265902

>>10265902
I can tell you what they're being used for right now, and that's providing breathable air to people working inside the rocket

>>10265912
>>10265885
likely for the welding they're doing on the inside

>>10265871
you're jealous of a flying ~~tin~~ stainless steel can while your country has pic related? at least be jealous of the new horizons probe or something

>>10265871
ISRO is pretty based. does stuff for super cheap.
best of luck with the manned mission in 2022

>>10265920
yeah, if they're TIG or MIG welding in there the whole place is going to fill up with argon, suffocating the welders, so you need to provide ventilation

A better picture of DM-1

>>10265924
GSLV a shit, worthless

>>10265998
are the sheets bolted/riveted aswell?

new pics

>>10266047
spot welded I think. the lower silo part has continuous beads though

>>10265871
Lol try being a bong, we're the only country to /lose/ launch capabilities.

>>10266075
do you know what that white cover is for? it's to keep the wind out, so they can weld without their argon getting blown away

>>10266076
>spot welded I think.

That thing's going to be noisy as hell when it collapses.

>>10266085
>implying the skin is structural

>>10266091
that metal must be 1-2 mm to buckle like that no way its 6mm

The plates on the legs doesn't seem to serve any structural purpose, possibly to test the aerodynamic effects of the leg fins on the finished Starship?

>>10266105
It's still going to be noisy as hell, spot welded metal is deafening.

>>10266108
of course

>>10266111
It already has three rocket engines with more thrust than the RS-25s on the Space Shuttle. A few rattling spot welds probably won't be noticed.

>>10266133
I mean when it falls to bits.

>>10266138
>I mean when it falls to bits.
>falls
Anon please. When they finally make things go wrong, this sucker's gonna explode.

>>10266143
I'm imagining the whole thing falling to bits before they even launch it. Maybe the taped on flag is holding the whole thing together.

>>10266151
>I'm imagining the whole thing falling to bits before they even launch it.
Yes, I figured.

I asked some people who know stuff from my country and they laughed about this (and the mistaken trajectory of the tesla car).

It's a meme probably meant to impress the orange clown in the white house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

>>10266157
t. seething foreigner

>>10266157
>my country
whenever someone says this instead of the actual name you know they're from a shithole.

t.pajeet

>>10266173
It is a seething communist from reddit that has been shitting up most SpaceX threads on /sci/. You can recognize him by his writing style, random leftist talking points thrown here and there, and total lack of aerospace knowledge ("mistaken trajectory of the tesla car" lol).

vent holes detailed look

>>10266197
>("mistaken trajectory of the tesla car" lol).
literally nothing wrong with his statement retard

>>10266223
the whole point was to demonstrate a long S2 burn after a coast phase to check off some air force requirements. Depleting stage 2 ended up with that particular orbit, it wasn't a 'mistake'. They were never going to go into mars orbit, that was misreporting by the press

>>10266218
>bottom of the sheets are not level and pop rivets

Jesus this is crude but would love if it works

WE

WUZ

>>10266235

>>10266248
oh wow, here's the official press kit. I wonder what it says...

>>10266248
>he thinks a simplification for the public in a fucking tweet is a source

Mars orbit = orbit intersecting the orbit of Mars

>>10266256
this just shows musk is just rich dumbass who doesn't know what he's doing.

further proof spacex is just facade for cia/pentagon ops aimed against russia.

>>10266246
MARTIANS

>>10266260
no, it shows you are an autistic idiot who does not understand context and takes everything literally

>>10266259
>sucking a person's cock so hard you start interpreting his simple statements like they're poems
"what did he mean by 'funding secured'? probably just that they were in discussions, don't know why the SEC is on his ass"

new pic

>>10266262
I wonder what sort of natural tan you can get by being on mars

>>10265092
what, all three of them?

>>10266248
actual orbit around mars is not deep space

so in other words there is nothing mistaken about the trajectory

>>10266323

>>10266331
No clearly the S2 stage fucked up its burn for the first and only time ever.

>>10266331
yes

>>10266335
>>10266337
either musk is retarded and means something different every time he says "mars orbit" or the team fucked up. personally I tend to the first option, but you can't have neither

>>10266355
do you understand what "intersection" means?

>>10266361
do you understand what "exceeded mars orbit" and "destination is mars orbit" means?
either they overshot the original planned orbit or Elon is retarded and didn't know what the engineers meant by "mars orbit"

>>10266371
Yep, clearly after all these successful missions, SpaceX forgot to turn the engine off.

Do you even think about these things before typing them?

>>10266376
see
>>10266355

>>10266376
>>10266361
don't bother, it's probably the same moron who has been baiting people for the last four threads

>>10266371
>he is still at it

you are a moron who does not know when to stop

>>10266371
>implying you go straight from LEO to orbit around mars with no burn or aerobraking in between
the goal was to inject the stage into an orbit that intersects where a mars orbit would be if the maneuver took place at the time of a real interplanetary window. this was successful.

stop wasting my fucking time you cunt

>>10266383
he finally changed his post style a bit because people started calling out his samefaggotry

>>10266386
yes, thank you for contradicting musk claims. once again, I'm not claiming that the mission or the execution failed, I'm just saying that musk is retarded and spouts bullshit on twitter but you can't even admit that

>>10266394
i no liek musk ;((( ( (( (

>>10266401
>tfw you have no arguments left but still want to keep cocksucking so you resort to 5yr old mimicking

>>10266331
>>10266331
I'm surprised that no one here knows that they just burned the second-stage to depletion after the 6-hour cruise. The Mars part simply came from the calculation SpaceX made that S2 would run out of fuel launching the roadster into a transfer orbit with a perihelion somewhere near Mars orbit; of course Elon jumped on this massive PR opportunity like a starving rabbit, but the S2 over performed putting the roadster between Mars and the asteroid belt. There's actually evidence from a congressional testimony on planetary protection, that the US government forced Elon to assure them the roadster wouldn't hit Mars.

hurry up SpaceX

>>10266457
By how much did it overperform? What's the delta v difference

>>10266476
"At least six bajillion" - Elon "true facts" Musk

>>10266489
Nice

Phobos base when

>>10266613
Why would you ever go to phobos
How big is it

happening

>>10266669
11 km radius

>>10266669
It would probably be about the most useless base you could have.

>>10266688
well excuse me

ERECTION IMMINENT

>>10266688
it's free mass in space. Eventually we'll be able to make rockets which can grind up rocks and use them as reaction mass.

>>10266688
If Martian gravity is too low to support a human colony, then a base orbiting Phobos is the next best thing. Plenty of material for construction, radiation shielding and propellant production, with a whole planet of resources below. And you can maybe even use Martian atmosphere to aerobrake into orbit around Phobos.

>>10266700
I don't think people living on mars would appreciate you shredding their moon.

>>10266700
Phobos will be useful as a source of raw materials like iron oxide, aluminum oxide, silicon dioxide, etc. In the near term it'd be a good place to dig up rock for radiation shielding of large stations that remain in Mars orbit. Over the long term we could refine those oxides into metals and build actual structures. They're all shit substances for use as propellants though because of their high boiling points, for one.

>>10266728
Why? It's not like they use it for tides or anything.

>>10266734
moons are cool, all of the saturnfags get all of the good ones. the martians deserve their dinky boring rocks piles

>>10266728
>implying they wouldn't be the ones doing the shredding

>>10266733
>They're all shit substances for use as propellants though because of their high boiling points, for one.

just got to find a way of accelerating them. It's future technology and it's unclear how we could do it, but it's free mass in a very shallow gravity well and we should try and do at least something with it. Perhaps it could be forged into a conducting material (turn the silicon into a conductor, as nanotubes perhaps) and fire them like a railgun at very high speeds. Easier said than done but who knows with future technology. Someone will find a good way of accelerating that stuff.

>>10266773
Literally no reason to do that. It's more useful right where it is.

>>10266777
it's negligible mass compared to the mass of Phobos. The technique might be more useful for longer journeys though (send something to the Oort cloud, say, then produce reaction mass pellets for an interstellar trip, maybe it would even be useful for journeys to the outer solar system from the asteroid belt).

>>10266725
Okay, that's fair. If you could turn it into a spinning colony that'd be pretty useful and cool.

>>10266785
Even if you can achieve meaningful improvement in exhaust velocity over chemical rockets using electromagnetic acceleration of chunks of space rock material, you're not going to achieve anything even close to good enough for interstellar travel. Chemical engines top out at around 4.5 km/s, you can probably get 50% better than that using a railgun and far future technology, but to do interstellar you really need exhaust velocities of the high hundred to low thousands of km/s, minimum. An Orion drive is a marginal interstellar propulsion system and it uses nuclear explosions for propulsion. A railgun throwing out pellets of rock is not going to be good enough.

>>10266698
fully erect

>>10266862
Is that a Dragon? When is this launching?

>>10266874
Yes, late this month. Unmanned test flight. Then the same capsule is used for the inflight abort test later this year

>>10266475
>Michael Griffin estimated there could've been six Saturn V launches per year every year for the same money which they blew on the shuttle program
It hurts, lads.

>>10266886
Could have done Mars direct, shits fucking criminal man.

>>10266886
yeah but how else would we snag broken satellites from orbit and bring them down for repair?

>>10266475
kino

>>10266899
didn't they only do that once?
lmao

>>10266917
it's just not the same

>>10266886
Did the shuttle ever even do 6 launches a year?

NEW (with new pics)
>>10266980
>>10266980
>>10266980

>>10266886
yeowch

>>10266698
>>10266862
Saving these two as reaction images