/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10259068
Philosophy isn't mathematics, or science.

>>10259071
science is philosophy

>>10259068
>Implying people have reproduced and will reproduce because of logic.

Life is pleasurable, and even people that live unpleasant lives rarely have any real desire to die. Antinatalism destroyed. Next.

>>10259088
Heroin is pleasurable too. Why not do that instead? Make sure you have enough to last you til OD so you don't become a crackhead.

>>10259091
If you consider the net positive pleasure of heroin to outweigh the negatives, go wild. I’d suggest playing it safe to maximize the potential pleasure you can experience, but it’s ultimately up to you to assign value to your subjective experiences. Don’t see your point, if there is one at all.

>>10259076
Science is a subset of a type of philosophy, natural philosophy.
That isn't ethics.
If you're going to deign to reply to me, at least pose a threat.

>>10259068

There is not a single reason to have kids that isn't selfish. Change my mind natalists.

>>10259087
considering that we constantly elevate ourselves above other animals (rightfully so), we should put some thought into the things we do, including our most basic instincts

>>10259313
there isn't a single reason to do anything that's not selfish

>>10259324
Putting thought into your basic instincts is, by definition, not possible. Humans reproduce because monkey brain want make more monkey. That’s it. Nothing more to it. Fuck off speciesist

>>10259327
Being selfish feels bad to non-sociopaths.

>>10259068
>implying pain is bad and not the only path to virtue
>implying virtue isn't better than absense of virtue

>>10259458
Virtue doesn’t exist.

>hold antinatalist beliefs
>don't reproduce to be consistent with antinatalist views
>next generation is born only to natalists
>antinatalists proceed to die out within a single generation
Why not just skip a few steps and jump off a bridge?

>>10259584
Actual incel/“My life is shit” coping.

>>10259584
ao shouldn't antinatalists after not having kids be trying to subvert society into doing the same? or simply destroy society outright? kill children at random? those are the only real ways you could get antinatalism trough.
why aren't you advocating terrorism and genocide? probably because you're a natalist and don't want to understand the viewpoint of the other?

>>10259068
Absence of pain is clearly not bad.

>>10259068
>operates under the assumption that the presence of pain is bad
>operates under the assumption that the presence of pain is worse than the absence of existence
If a person can ever prefer going through pain over killing themselves, your reasoning is ruined.

>>10260308
Pain is bad, dumbass, unless you’re some kind of masochist.

>>10259098
If you overdose, you'll maximize your pleasure-over-lifetime ratio. What's stopping you?

Or maybe you'll realize that "pleasure" is a terribly inadequate metric for evaluating the worthiness of living?

Absence of pain is not bad, you are just being a bitch. Life is suffering, learn to deal with it and you'll never give a fuck again, but love life. And everything in it.

>>10260322
>unless X
thanks for proving yourself wrong

People who believe life is a good thing are either profoundly retarded or privileged, and in either case are very delusional. There’s no point in arguing with someone who’s delusional.

>>10259088
>>10260308
You’re failing to take into account the programming to stay alive, fear, etc. Your argument is terrible on the basis of biology alone, but when pervasive religious brainwashing is taken into account it become even worse.

>>10260440
And still you're operating under the assumption that the presence of pain is worse than the absence of existence.

>>10260440
>Your argument is terrible on the basis of biology alone
On the basis of biology, you are a genetic dead-end.

Also
>You’re failing to take into account the programming to stay alive, fear, etc
So should biology be taken into account or not? Because you can't pick both

>>10259350
>Being selfish feels bad to non-sociopaths.

>>10259088
>Life is pleasurable
[citation needed]

>>10259068
You need children to take care of you when you are old. In today's society not everyone needs children, because there are enough people producing them. But still, children are needed, or you are going to have a lot of pain when you are older.

>>10260777
>"In today's society not everyone needs children, because there are enough people producing them"
>unironically buying into the idea that Africa is going to carry the weight of the world on its shoulders
>when it can't even carry its own

>>10259068
>pain = bad
>pleasure = good

>>10259934
how does the chart state otherwise

>>10260905
Good qualifies as "not bad" but "not bad" does not qualify as good. Check the chart, it even makes the distinction between good and "not bad". Antinatalists can't even keep their own story straight.

>>10260846
I wasnt talking about africa wtf

what got you out of /r9k/ dude?

>>10259068
Absence of pain isn't good, it's only not bad, too. It is not possible that absence of pain and actual pleasure are in the same category. So if absence of pain is a 0, the two options equal out with equal opportunities, and if pain is more probable than pleasure than Scenario B is more likeable, and vice versa.

>>10261042
Where else then? India? How about the Middle East? Because it's certainly not coming from the moon.

>>10259068
Prescene of pain and suffering is better than abscence of pleasure and pain. Done. Id much rather burn eternally in hell, instead of being non-existant. That is absolutely horrifying

>>10261050
Abscence of life is terrible. You are very wicked if you dont understand why

>>10259068
Having more white people around is convenient for me. Naturally I should make more.

>>10260328
No I wouldn’t. I’d receive much more pleasure by living many decades of low-frequency drug use and orgies.

>>10261126
No it isn’t. You’re dead. Don’t feel anything.

>>10260606
>Dur I have no empathy totally not a sociopath xD

>>10260440
People that want to stay alive even though their lives aren’t that good refute antinatalism thoroughly. Go shoot poor people if you actually think like this. You won’t, because you’re just going through an edgy phase.

>>10259584
This is the tragedy in it. All the high IQ antinatalists will die out while all the the empty-headed blank-eyed fat hispanics will continue to consume and reproduce.

>>10261373
>Lol only stupid Hispanics actually enjoy life and have kids, not me, I’m so smart for finding life unpleasant and being a genetic dead end that will never experience the deep and provocative emotions induced by holding one’s child haha right

>>10261373
State mandated birth control

>>10261381
>stupid Hispanics actually enjoy life
I don't think they "enjoy" life anymore than cattle enjoy life. They're essentially animals that just follow their instincts. Or maybe they do when the engorge themselves with the remains of hundreds of poor animals needed to sustain these consuming beasts. Human cattle, kind of a scary thing.

>>10261391
Gay frogs

>>10261396
Aw, racism! It’s adorable. Cattle do quite enjoy life if they have room and food, until they’re shot in the head, raped by farmers via artificial insemination, or otherwise harmed, but that’s beside the point.

>>10261396
>veganism is natural for humans
>b-b-but they're the animals

>>10259068
204. Revolutionaries should have as many children as they can. There is strong scientific evidence that social attitudes are to a significant extent inherited. No one suggests that a social attitude is a direct outcome of a person’s genetic constitution, but it appears that personality traits are partly inherited and that certain personality traits tend, within the context of our society, to make a person more likely to hold this or that social attitude. Objections to these findings have been raised, but the objections are feeble and seem to be ideologically motivated. In any event, no one denies that children tend on the average to hold social attitudes similar to those of their parents. From our point of view it doesn’t matter all that much whether the attitudes are passed on genetically or through childhood training. In either case they ARE passed on.

205. The trouble is that many of the people who are inclined to rebel against the industrial system are also concerned about the population problems, hence they are apt to have few or no children. In this way they may be handing the world over to the sort of people who support or at least accept the industrial system. To insure the strength of the next generation of revolutionaries the present generation should reproduce itself abundantly. In doing so they will be worsening the population problem only slightly. And the important problem is to get rid of the industrial system, because once the industrial system is gone the world’s population necessarily will decrease (see paragraph 167); whereas, if the industrial system survives, it will continue developing new techniques of food production that may enable the world’s population to keep increasing almost indefinitely.

>>10261404
Really confused dehumanization attempt.

>>10261373
>antinatalists
>high IQ
Pick one and only one

>inb4 "b-but I feel smart, how can I possibly be low IQ?"

>>10261416
I would suggest that the living conditions and life experiences required for one to be an antinatalist also correlate with the belief in one’s own great intelligence. Lots of unhappy people use that as their salve.

>>10261373
/thread. Retarded religious fundamentalists will also continue to reproduce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjuBRaLYWnA
https://phys.org/news/2011-01-religiosity-gene-dominate-society.html
https://futurism.com/genetic-idiocracy-genes-associated-with-high-education-are-becoming-rarer/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/cochran-harpending-paper-on-amish/
https://www.unz.com/jman/liberalism-hbd-population-and-solutions-for-the-future/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/stupid-people/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/short-history-of-3rd-millennium/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/not-sending-their-best/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/nor-breeding-their-best/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/paper-review-icelandic-dysgenics/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/dysgenic-deutschland/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cicerone-on-dysgenic-decline/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/frito-effect/

>>10261427
Yeah, that’s why religions have declined significantly as a percentage of the population since 1900. Wait....no, that doesn’t support your claim. Hmm.

>>10261402
>>10261402
>Aw, racism! It’s adorable.
Reddit? Or tumblr?
>Cattle do quite enjoy life if they have room and food, un
Eh I guess you're right. They can have their innocent pleasure.
>until they’re shot in the head, raped by farmers via artificial insemination, or otherwise harmed, but that’s beside the point.
Someone has to keep the hispanics and blacks above 300 lbs. It's all for the greater good.
>>10261404
I didn't advocate for veganism in that post. And they are animals. We're all animals. It's just that the whole system is absurd. How many innocent bright eyed baby chickens have to be mauled into a gorey pulp in order to sustain this insane population of selfish low IQ consuming horde of hellish flesh devourers.

>>10261440
Yes, it’s quite silly, so start promoting a transition to plant-based diets.

>>10261440
>How many innocent bright eyed baby chickens have to be mauled into a gorey pulp in order to sustain this insane population of selfish low IQ consuming horde of hellish flesh devourers.
You're not fooling anyone, vegan

>>10261444
Virtue signaling for animal rights to push racism 11/10

>>10259324
>goes extinct
thanks a lot, pal

>>10261451
You do know that not everyone that replies to you is the same person, right? You stated that you're not advocating veganism but then right after that you advocate veganism.

>>10261465
>>10261451
>>10261441
>>10261435
>>10261420

This is me. There’s three people here at least.

>>10261441
Yes, a lot of these fat humanoids could benefit from it.
>>10261444
Enjoy living the lives of thousands of miserable chickens, pigs, cows, etc that end up slaughtered and butchered to feed some worthless, useless, greasy, fat, slob... of a person. Because you realize consciousness isn't isolated, everything is experienced.

>>10259068
Sweet reminder that this isn't science nor math.
>>10259076
>implying science isn't a proper subset of philosophy
You're an idiot.

>>10261475
Okay but that’s an argument for eating lentils, not mass murder or sterilization of humans.

>>10261485
I never implied any of that. I'm just trying to paint the ridiculousness of it all.

>>10261491
It’s ridiculous unless you’re talking about dumbass Hunter gatherers

>>10261407
baste and tedpilled

>>10261482
>implying science being a proper subset of philosophy somehow implies that science isn't philosophy

>>10261475
>Enjoy living the lives of thousands of miserable chickens, pigs, cows, etc that end up slaughtered and butchered to feed some worthless, useless, greasy, fat, slob... of a person.
Oh look, he's a furry too.
>Because you realize consciousness isn't isolated, everything is experienced.
Well then, since my consciousness isn't isolated from the chicken, then I guess I am simply enjoying pain far more than I am disliking it.

>>10262218
Furry=/=having functional empathy