/sci/ - Science & Math

>computer programming
not science or math

> inb4 hurdur I know how to use the python shell
If you can't maximize the features and properties of a language, you don't know it.

switching from math to cs

>>10249554
OP here, do both, CS works best in tandem with hard STEM

>>10249557
Do both. Math and theory CS go fabulously together. You get to learn lots of interesting things. My personal favorite is the intersection of CS theory and physics theory, where you talk about what can and cannot be based on behavior and information. There’s cool research into the computability of field theories

>>10249472
CS is formal logic/lambda calculus, brainlet

What's with autists acting like it's some sort of competition or pretending people aren't simply interested in their field of study? It's so cringeworthy and obnoxious.

>My major is more impressive than yours!
>Ok, now give me a diet coke with a large fry and mayonnaise, thanks.

>>10249759
this ffs why cant we all focus on our lifes

I majored in computer science and I regret it so much I want to kill myself. I flat out think there's something wrong or inhuman about you if you studied cs and enjoyed it and now have a tech job and enjoy it.

>>10250831
You're clearly false flagging, why?

>>10250835
I'm not. I don't know how to prove it.

>>10250831
Better than having no job at all kek

>>10249464
Behold the power of a CS degree

>>10250856
How would you sort it, then?

>>10249464
>> Knowing how to use the most ubiquitous and powerful tools in human history makes you a brainlet
Nobody is making that argument, mr straw. What we're saying is going to college for CS makes as much sense as going to college for driving.
>If you are incapable of computer programming, and you claim CS majors are stupid, you are passively admitting that you are a brainlet.
It's obviously the other way around where people who do know programming, algorithms, complexity, etc are complaining how much of a joke the classes in CS are.
t. double majored in cs

>>10250831
This.

>>10250853
But is it?

>>10250863
>What we're saying is going to college for CS makes as much sense as going to college for driving.
Going to college for any field makes as much sense as going to college for driving.

>>10250859
It’s not that Gook Towers isn’t how you would do it, it’s that it’s unironically high-school level math.

>>10250906
>A simple problem has a simple solution
>Implementing it in CS for actual uses makes CS simple

>Because [cs majors] don't learn anything substantial and therefore don't belong in an university setting. It's fine if you don't want to learn and just want to consume and excrete like the good goy you are. Just go to a boot-camp or some other trade school for a year or two and you will be in far less debt for it and far better equipped for job hunting.

>/sci/ wants to do the quintessential human thing of asking why and learning and university is The place of learning to do it. Stop trying to turn university into a trade school, that's what we're upset about.

>>10250909
>SEETHING
I bet you can write a badass fizzbuzz too!

>>10249464
Computer Science is basically math++, i.e. a CS graduate is considered elite, capable of mastering in 1 year what math graduates do in 2 years. The world's elite universities will tell you right away that as their CS student you are considered the best group they have and that math students go slower than you are, and increase your load to crazy levels As a CS student, you are expected to master (continuous) calculus, discrete calculus (discrete math proofs, hypercubes for parallel algorithms), optimization (machine/deep learning, compilers), category theory (functional programming), logic (up to automated proofs, i.e. including set theory), differential equations, topology (computational geometry, distributed algorithms), probability and statistics (reinforcement learning, queueing), number theory (cryptology), graph theory (almost everywhere)... There is no functional analysis needed yet, but it's heavily used for PhD degrees anyway. You need to know all this down to the level of proving theorems if you want to achieve anything in CS. While pure math & physics progress slowed down, the advanced in CS are fast and accelerating. CS is the major of future. Math jobs are shrinking; CS jobs will grow even more than today.

>>10249464
>if you don't take Java 101, Java 102, Data Structures in Java 201, Data Structures in Java 202, Algorithms in Java 351, OOP in Java 321, GUI Design with Java 342, Operating Systems in Java 364, Networking in Java 368, Android Development in Java 441, & Software Engineering with UML and Design Patterns in Java 421; then you can never learn how to program nor get into computing
>4 years of intensive Java programming lessons can't be beat <[math]|[/math]:^)[math]))[/math]

>>10250910
Bootcamps only teach you how to be a full-stack fag, ultimately limiting your job prospects.

I genuinely do not give a single fuck what other people say about CS. Call me a faggot but I genuinely am interested in computers and computation. In fact, sometimes i'm even mystified by it. Plus, I'm going to university for free so I may as well have chosen something I liked. Only faggots and children argue and bicker about what STEM major is superior. Yeah I've learned a lot that I could have learned on my own, but do I have the motivation to entirely learn C++ by myself instead of studying it for 9 months in uni? Hell no. Do I have the ability to meet other programmers without going to uni? No because I would have had no means to. Could I have learned linear algebra on my own without the help of a good textbook and professor and peer help? No. Other may have been able to do this, but not me. I'm not looking for a job at Google or Intel, I just like CS and its topics. Plus, because I need so much math for my degree, I think i'll minor in math too while I'm at it. All majors and studies have their own merits. Stop tweaking out about other peoples academic decisions. Hell, I don't even shit on humanities majors because maybe they just like what they study.

>>10250964
>still does algorithms, networking, and OS
That is unironically a good CS program by modern standards.

>>10250937
Why is that an interview question?

>>10250965
>implying that's not the fate of all cs majors

Read the sticky. This isn’t the STEM board it is for Science (Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Medical research ONLY) and Math (self explanatory; not logic).

>>10250989
Those are mostly the 2.0 niggers in uni who shouldn't be in CS at all. If you're not aiming for a machine learning or automation job you shouldn't be in CS as you could more efficiently self-study the MERN stack and get a job in like 6 months or so.

>>10251023
>machine learning
>with an undergrad degree in cs

nope.exe

>>10251139
why not?

>>10250831
What exactly makes you think this way, anon?

>>10249557
>>10249622
is there any value to a person with a BS in CS and Biology?

>>10251323

>>10251335
What does it make me if I am a CS and pure math major and am sitting at a 3.7 as a pure math major and a 3.5 as a CS major

>>10251361
>pure math major

What's your course selection?

>>10250831
>tech job
Sounds like you don't appreciate the things that sci appreciates of CS.

>>10251323
>>10251335
well this is honestly quite accurate, but i am trying to get a gauge on which fields will have the greatest amount of employment and job prospects in the future. i dont know about bio but a cs degree is invaluable in the market

>>10250966
Dude 70% of amerimutts only have an high school diplomat, I think most of them are just Larpers that flip burgers.

>>10251415
>implying 4chan is a representative sample of america
cs brainlets everyone

>>10251420
Pajeet detected

>>10251323
Bioinformatics might be of interest to you, but it is a complex field.

>>10251440
the problem is that i would love to major in bioinformatics but since i would be taking such similar classes i would rather broaden the net of jobs that i can work under by just getting a cs degree. i love bio and that was my original major i just dont want to dump all those class credits in the trash bin

>>10251139
>implying machine learning involves anything other than a tensorflow python library
kek

>>10249464
>I understand making the argument that it has more in common with engineering
Okay this has always been confusing for me, is computer science more of a math field or an engineering field?
They both make sense. Discrete math and algorithms make it seem like it might be math, but computer vision and machine learning seem to be more engineering oriented.
Like if a computer scientist works in the field of computer vision, making self driving cars, is that not engineering? Is he not an engineer?

>>10251589
It depends on your subfield. I mean, the reason discrete mathematics is immediately relevant is because a Turing machine discretizes space while staying continuoue over time, but analysis and measure has its place in theory, as well as a host of many other continuous mathematics. /sci/ generally only keeps up with undergrad topics on CS, but the rabbit hole goes deep in theory.

Applied work is close if not engineering. Of course, you generally still need to do grad school for this, but systems and applications (graphics, graduate level vision, etc) sets you on the track for engineering oriented work. Most people here wouldn’t call you an engineer out of pride and aggressive self importance, but at that point you are solving problems with fundamentals and engineering practicalities, and your job isn’t really to type away until the implementation has no more bugs.

No matter what way you spin it, grad CS is pretty exciting

>>10251375
Not him, but for some of my upper level courses, I used Abbott, Rudin, Artin, Lovasz, and Hatcher.