/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10249888
Calm down, people born in the 21st century are still at max 18. Give it at least 20 years.

There are. You just don't know enough to understand their work.

>>10249888
>significantly advance
it is not medieval anymore

>>10249888
Being a genius is really harder now, and if you are you will find yourself doing something that is useless because we dont have any ways too aply them rn and youll see their fruits at a minimun of 30 years from now on

all the low hanging fruits have been picked

>>10249888
Because it was easy to be a genius when everything was new and easy.

>>10249892
I wasn't necessarily talking about people born in the 21st century, just currently living.
>>10249900
How do you know that? Can you prove it? Did people in the early 20th century also think all of the low hanging fruit were picked?
>>10249893
Examples?

I would put in all the effort I could into making a significant difference but the results aren't guaranteed. I'm sure I'm not the only one (especially on /sci/) that thinks that. Maybe we would have more if that mindset was changed.

>>10249918
I can't prove it but it's rather obvious that it gets progressively harder to discover new stuff.
Physics is very much limited by experiments you can do for example.

>>10249918
>Examples?
The mind of the samurai

>>10249933
>I can't prove it
ok, statement invalidated

>>10249943
nothing to prove
there is a hole you are trying to fill with stones
if you run out of stones around the area you have to go far to get more stones or start digging the ground

>>10249949
How do you know there aren't any stones around the area to begin with?

>>10249888
Please list the 20th century geniuses you're thinking of.

>>10249933
I get what you're saying, but it's temporary.
Discovery is about sight and the ability to observe. Over are the days of making massive scientific discoveries with your only equipment being some glassware and a magnifying glass.
Currently, you need advanced computer models or electron microscopes to gain sight into undiscovered systems. But the price of this equipment will fall. Once it falls below a certain point (e.g. when more than just universities can afford the equipment), we'll see more discoveries of that kind.

>>10249954
look around

>>10249980
Tesla
Grabovsky
Godel
Neumann
Turing
Feynman
Edison
And quite a few more. Even if you don't consider them geniuses, they all made a major contribution to science and math (or at least a lot more major than the ones today).

>>10249888
Modern academia selects for agreeableness, not for intelligence, and our world is hyper-socialised, which is pretty much a hellish landscape for your "geniuses". It doesn't help that many men now feel no matter how hard they work a women collegue will achieve anything they do due to diversity laws, so even your narcissists are put off. No gold trophy, no point in playing.

It's a LOT easier to retreat into video games, anime and the internet for your introverts, and a lot easier to fly low and keep getting buzzes from small victories for the arrogant bastards.

>>10250008
>Edison
this makes me angry

>>10250005
How do you know that this ideology applies to real life? It's not like the discoveries made back then were ever as obvious as you're making it sound like now.

>>10249980
Freud, Einstein, Marx
Come on anon

Come on anons, seriously why can't any of you guys put work into doing something major? It can't be impossible. Saying so is just making excuses. Why don't you do anything?

>>10250017
Cause easier to understant concepts get learned\picked of first and harder concepts requier way more time(and luck?) to get to.
How is this not obvious, come on now..

>>10250036
How do you know that the time to pick easier concepts is over now? Maybe I am being difficult and overly optimistic, but surely it can't be so hard that we haven't had much development in a long time..

>>10250008
>>10250018
My point is that most of them were German or Austrian.
I think it's reasonable to assume that WWII had an impact on the culture of that area and has negatively impacted the total number of "geniuses" we're seeing now.

>>10250054

Could it be that geniuses are only realized after their death when their research or discoveries or inventions are more so into fruition?

Imagine getting to the point where we know so much that someone would have to study 50 years just to catch up so they can finally work on the new problems. I can’t imagine anyone would want to do that. At some point, it will have to be enforced

>>10250061
You dont have to study for 50 years for just one or two subjects faggot. Most geniuses were only so in a couple/few subjects. We just need to think further outside of the box.

>>10250026
I'm working on it.

>>10250066
>double dubs
Based and chek'd. What are you working on specifically?

Part of the problem is specialization. As researchers descend into ever smaller niches there is less impact from any given discovery. There may be unpicked fruit in interdisciplinary unification -- not seeing new things, but old things in new ways.

>>10250054
Wait, what if germans actually were the master race?

>>10250082
this
>>10250054
probably this too

>>10249918
>10249893
>Examples?
If I had to make a list of all the things you don't know I'd be here for quite a while. Here's an example that I saw this year:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1808.05960

All the big developments in physics the past few years have been classifying and observing quantum states of matter in materials. If you don't think it takes genius to do this kind of stuff, you have an inflated sense of what genius is.

>>10249893
This guy gets it. He knows that even though there are literally like 7 times as many geniuses now than there were in 1918, you just need to be patient and keep paying y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶b̶u̶d̶d̶i̶e̶s̶ "the geniuses" to come up with all their awesome world changing inventions. It's not like most of the cool science that leads to cool technology has already been discovered. I mean we havent even invented warp drives and replicators yet.

>>10250085

His list is not particularly German or Austrian anyhow, the first two (Tesla and Grabovsky) are Slavic, Godel is Austrian, Neumann is a Jew, Turing is Anglo, Fenyman is a Jew, Edison is Anglo. Germans were definitely a powerhouse and very close to a masterrace if it even exists, but that is not the list to show it.

>>10250054
Nah I was just joking
The real reason for the deceleration of advancement is cognitive inertia. The solution is to create a new emotion.

https://imgur.com/a/myITZae
https://twitter.com/emblem21CEO/status/992152270836936707
https://archive.is/CURJz

>>10250070
A distributed model of computation that accounts for self-organizing systems.

>>10249888
They all work for the Bogdanoffs.

We need to let our jew overlords figure things out in peace. The rise of the alt-right is preventing them from doing their work.

>>10249888
Read The Genius Famine by Bruce G. Charlton

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>>10250066
yeah gosh you guys it's like, "Where are the genuses?"

>>10250454
I love proofs by obscure notation

>>10250466
that's the Latino alphabet I'm using there

>>10249888
credential gatekeeping + the acceptance of mediocrity for all.
Credential gatekeeping and nepotism was always a thing which is why mostly Jews were so prevalent in academia but the commie no kids left behind is a new thing.
Our only hope is home schooled kids who also have parents with connections in academia.

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misclicked
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>>10250018
>Marx

>>10250454
things like these confirm that upper level math is useless

>>10251401
but... frobenoid geometrie

>>10249918
>Did people in the early 20th century also think all of the low hanging fruit were picked?
No, not always: Dirac said that after he'd invented canonical quantisation (in 1926) it was easy for a second rate physicist to write a first rate paper by, for example, taking some typical classical system and quantising it. In other words, he was saying that at that time there was a lot of low-hanging fruit ripe for the picking.

There is quite a bit of apparently low-hanging fruit left in my own research program:
>actually use the maximum action in the action principle
>derive gravity from Cauchy--Riemann
>calculate loop corrections with geometric fine structure constant instead of constant extrapolated from Josephson junction
>Extend modified Schrodinger equation to modified Dirac equation
>use numbers in the neighborhood of infinity to examine the cases of (r-r_0) and (k-k_0) that appear in wave packets (where the latter is most directly related to the maximum action)
>probably more stuff too that isn't so low hanging that you can pick it without using anything from after WWII

Ramanujan was another exceptional mathematician. G.H Hardy even compared him to Euler and Jacobi.

>"an equation for me has no meaning if it does not represent a thought of god." - Ramanujan
>pic related

>>10251779
I guess even God gets strokes

>>10249888
Low hanging fruit has been harvested already. Now you need a lot of capital to make breakthroughs in the form of hundred of millions of dollars worth of supercomputers or hadron colliders.

The only way a "classical" genius could be born right now is if he was also lucky enough to be born a multi billionaire and have the interest and insight to do experimentations.

So basically the bottleneck for innovation hasn't been mental for the last couple of decades but financial instead severely limiting the chance of someone having both attributes at the same time.

>>10249888
Global average intelligence is decreasing.

>>10250008
>>10250018

Most of these were Jewish. Think about what happened during WW2 that might have diminished these people's numbers. Right about the time geniuses stopped being born.

We killed the cream of the crop of humanity. The smartest most genetically gifted people. Now we suffer the consequences.

>>10251807
I wonder who could be behind this post

>>10251807
High intelligence can also produce al lot of harm, as jews have proven over and over.

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