/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10228940
don't you think it's getting a bit too late for thesis threads?
they're all due in like march/april

>>10228940
Why don't you faggots spend this energy on real papers instead of this bullshit?

Your thesis is just a box you have to tick, no one will ever read it, not even once.

>>10228940
organic chem
the biggest disappointment is that small "discoveries" I made during the experimental stage were already discovered at least 30 years prior.
so basically, I'm doing trivial reactions on compounds aren't exactly trivial, but not new either.

>>10230735

if you are doing click chemistry i have something that may interest u

>>10230735
too relatable
computer science major here and my thesis is computer vision related
all of my experiments could've been done 5 years ago

>>10230738
click chemistry is absolutely dope, friende
unfortunately it's not my topic, but I'd be glad to hear some interesting stuff.

>>10230730
>Your thesis is just a box you have to tick, no one will ever read it, not even once.
They're actually good study material, especially PhD's. The reason being that in materials like these the author has to be very thorough and clear about what they're doing and they've spent a lot of time polishing it.

>>10230742
Not really, 60% of the PhDs are rehasing the literature and 30% is trivial results or prelim work.

It is far more efficient to study good textbooks then review papers and then you're good to go for frontier work.

>>10228940
>discrete math
>spectral theory

Doing bachelors thesis on quantum scarring, nobody will read the thesis but some of the computational results will be used in a paper

>>10230766
>Not really, 60% of the PhDs are rehasing the literature and 30% is trivial results or prelim work.
Rehashing the literature in a way that's more detailed and clearer than you'll find in any textbook. I typically find that I can read a PhD thesis in a couple sittings and they always give such a well motivated and focused introduction to a subject that working through an actual textbook afterwards seems trivial yet disorganized and unfocused.

>bachelor's thesis
If there is no grade attached, it's irrelevant. Grad schools don't give a shit what your "bachelor's thesis" was, nor do employers. Waste of time and effort, especially when you have actual courses and grades to worry about.

>>10230800
Interesting.

Which theses would you recommend?

>>10228940
>bachelor in computer science
I'm doing ray tracing and it fucking sucks. I spend 10% of my time programming and the rest is just writing and improving this thesis, which is basically just rewriting the book because all of these algorithms are known for years. I would love to expand it, add non euclidean geometry and other interesting stuff, but I have to worry about the paper first.

>>10230804
What do you mean? I don't know how does it work in the rest of the world, but here you need to do thesis to get bachelor's degree.

>>10231033
I'm not him, but most universities in the US don't require or really even encourage a thesis at all. Very select few actually require a thesis and only some even encourage a bachelor's thesis. Even Master's programs in the US are like 50/50 in terms of a thesis/coursework. Even if you do decide to do a thesis during a bachelor's degree, you don't get extra credit or an extra grade or anything; students literally do it for free.

Electrical engineering and computing. Doing my bachelor thesis this year. No idea what. Mine will end up being cooler than yours though so I'm not worried.

>>10231057
Sometimes I get the impression americans really just don't care about anything anymore.

Got approved to defend this week, plan to graduate in the spring. PhD here I come

>>10231078
I mean, there really isn't anything wrong with not doing a bachelor's thesis. Tell me, from your perspective, what do you gain from doing a bachelor's thesis instead of working in a professor's lab and working on papers throughout the year?

Many universities encourage the latter instead of the former. I would personally argue a thesis is my opportunity to show I can find an interesting problem and tackle the entire thing myself with help only from a research advisor. Meanwhile, working in a lab often involves help from others to publish a paper. Does your reasoning align with this?

It's not that Americans don't care about a thesis. I can totally see why a thesis is generally seen as worthless, because it's an undergrad's research that is probably mediocre. Then, you store it in some library, maybe take out some scraps and publish it, maybe not.

>>10231091
dissertation topic?

>>10231094
It's just traditional. You do a bachelor's thesis because it's been done for years now.
Another nice point is making fun of the mediocrity of the bachelor's and master's thesis of important people in the field. I mean, sometimes a Grothendieck, a Gauss or a Derrida shows up, but they're usually a nice way of showing people everyone started out stupid.

>>10231098
Signaling in plants

>>10231094
The bachelor thesis should be a requirement to graduate.

At my university for an engineering degree to be accredited we have to do a design capstone and a research thesis (which is usually tied to your first manuscript submitted for publication, of which about 70% are published). Now your design capstone is one large group design assessed by a professor and then several individual designs each assessed by a professor specialising in that design. Your research project has to be defended against a panel of 5 professors and PhD holders including external experts.

All in all you write an average of 300 pages of theses and reports (not including group work and papers) in your senior year alone.

The game, of course, is to manage your time so that you can still ace your exams and coursework while still getting a good grade on your research and designs. Your grades obviously suffer but everyone has to do this.

This [math]used[/math] to be a requirement for all Washington accord accreditted degrees. But ABET has since slipped their standards.

Since then all pure degrees require it as well. It sets a minimum professional standards. External experts can evaluate if someone is truly deserving of a degree. A bachelors actually becomes worth something.

ABET accreditation doesn't mean shit anymore. It's a grade inflated degree mill pyramid scheme. But everyone wants to live in America so it has all the power anyway. The problem is if it keeps slipping it'll be like those European countries where everyone needs a Masters degree to be employable since the bachelor is barely above high school level.

>>10228940
i will describe part of zoological collection of my university

What is bachelor's thesis 'worth' in the US? It's mandatory for a degree here in funland and worth 10 ECTS credits, master's thesis is also mandatory and 30 credits worth

BSc thesis, I will do a study of Sr-Sb interference in casting aluminium alloys (AlSi7Cu3 and the likes) on OES spectrometry, control measurements in XRF and ICP spectrometry.
Might do a tensile strength test as well since I will have to make a lot of samples and I am not even sure of the result (I don't know if I will find any discrepancies with the addition of Sr)
So basically trying to do something new while also replicating a study for safety.

>>10230800
>Rehashing the literature in a way that's more detailed and clearer than you'll find in any textbook
This. People really underestimate the value of expository work. Reading someone's personal interpretation of recent work is usually worth doing, especially when you are not a specialist.
This is someone who has spent a year or two becoming a specialist in that area and they know the roadblocks.

>>10230889
Not that guy but this Bachelor thesis is an amazing introduction to Bruhat-Tits theory:
http://people.math.gatech.edu/~jrabinoff6/papers/building.pdf

>>10230730
A good thesis can easily grow up to become a real paper.

master's thesis

pareto optimization for the pitch controller's gains of the dtu 10 mw reference wind turbine with a weighted objective of minimizing the deviations of the nominal rotor speed vs reducing the loads on the base of the blades for various wind speeds greater than 12 m/s

>>10230742
The biggest thing about masters and PhD theses is that they will present their work and also tell you about the difficulties and how to overcome them. Papers are much more dry, and the authors always try to play the story as if the thing they claim was the plan all along, and they won't report on their failures and hardships to get there. A thesis is the perfect way to teach also the small things and hiccups to the "next generation", so you'll get much more practical and useful information out of them.

>>10232112
I regret not learning everything about optimization when I was in school. I ought to go back.

>>10230730
based retard that doesn't know a doctoral thesis must be published in a peer-reviewed journal for a PhD to be conferred
at least this is the case in math, the only subject worth studying

>>10233182
First of all, you dumb fuck (jk I love you Anon), in the Bolonga process you need 3 publications for a PhD thesis not one, usually your PI demands at least 5.

Secondly I was obviously refering to bachelors theses which not even the course professors fully read.

Finally math is easiest to get into a PhD programme (not graduate, I mean getting in to from math undergrad) so maybe that's why you don't need publications in undergrad.

>brb listing 6 conference """publications""" on your CV and not a single journal article.
>brb publishing in local """journals""".

I'm doing my PhD in applied math and I was literally the only student in a lab of 15 that had any real journal publications whatsoever when our funding round started.