/sci/ - Science & Math

There is no so such thing as smart but lazy. One of the things smart people do is work hard, because they aren't stupid and know that working hard is the key to achieving stuff

There's already a cancerous /r9k/ tier thread about this.
Check the catalog before you post a new thread.

>>10226640
If you really want something in life you will work towards it. Sounds like you don't really care about chemistry. In either case, neck yourself brainlet.

>>10226647
>75 IQ logic
Real life isn't the comic book you drew during special ed. In real life, most hard workers are fucking retarded. Most people who espouse the value of hard work are retarded. You are a naive, brainwashed halfwit.

>>10226659
In real life, most hard workers are fucking retarded. Most people who espouse the value of hard work are retarded.
He didn't say that most hard workers are smart you bumbling autist

>>10226659
>most hard workers are stupid, so smart people don't work hard
65 IQ logic, anon. Sad.

>>10226664
Forgot to green text

>>10226647
>working hard is the key to achieving stuff

>>10226651
If you really want something in life you will work towards it.

>I'm looking for pragmatic advice
Thanks

>>10226647
I'm smart but lazy, ergo you're wrong
QED
>>10226659
t. insecure and lazy

>>10226640
>I'm looking for pragmatic advice on how to cultivate self discipline and work ethic
Basically the same way you'd train for a marathon. It's not rocket surgery. Start with small bursts, and expand as you succeed. 30 minutes of attentive reading first thing in the morning could be a good start.

If you're actually asking for how to find fundamental motivation then you're fucked. You're a lazy brainlet who likes the idea of prestige more than chemistry.

>>10226690
>Basically the same way you'd train for a marathon. It's not rocket surgery. Start with small bursts, and expand as you succeed. 30 minutes of attentive reading first thing in the morning could be a good start.

/thread

Thank you. deleting thread now

>>10226664
>>10226667
Smart people are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, to embrace hedonistic, minimalist lifestyles, to entirely reject the standards by which society measures success, etc. Smart people don't want careers. Careers are for rule-following robots. Then of course there are emotional and mental afflictions. There's about a thousand different reasons and permutations of characteristics by which smart people can be -- and commonly are -- "lazy."

You are both stupid and it's kind of repulsive that you mistake your straight-edged obedience for intelligence. Academia drones are always so delusionally arrogant despite being inferior in every way apart from their lust for gold stars on their homework. If you're so average that you actually want a mind-numbingly awful, normal life with a 9-5 that's fine, but don't equate your lack of substance with intelligence.

Fuck.

Later H8ers

>>10226704
It's amazing how you inferred so much wrong information about me from the few words in my post. You sure have a lot of opinions about smart people for a brainlet

>>10226725
>someone can't be both smart and lazy
is a statement so irrational and biased that it's on par with:
>the Earth is flat and/or 6,000 years old
>prayer works
>horoscopes are legitimate
>evolution is just a theory
In other words, that statement alone revealed everything anyone could even need to know about your mental acuity.

>>10226732
>reading comprehension so poor that a 2 line post is too difficult
Good thing I didn't say anything remotely like what you're trying to argue against, then

>>10226677
>>10226732
t. thinks he's smart but lazy
Being lazy is not a smart thing to do. They are mutually exclusive. QED

>>10226640
Here's the truth you don't grasp: the grass isn't greener. Everyone who is "successful" is fucking miserable. Global capitalism is a dying society and it's trying to take the majority of people with it. Nobody is happy. Everyone is in debt. You didn't even fuck up. Capitalism did.

>>10226640
>lazy but smart
Had a c average in high school

I've got bad news for you. Best way to sober up is to work 40+ hours flipping burgers or building widgets. If you're ok doing that, then fuck off.

>>10226855
>being lazy is not a smart thing to do
>t. regards brainlet
It's not efficient to use more knowledge or put in more effort than what's required. QED smart and lazy is the best way to do things.

>>10226875
But laziness is putting in less than required, my brainlet friend

why do you delet?

>>10226875
>or put in more effort than what's required
>not efficient

It's even less efficient to waste your time in little league if you don't belong there. You should never feel good about being able to half-ass.

>>10226913
Lazy is about putting in less than what you "could" do. If a PhD entered an elementary school math competition and was proud of his award you'd call him lazy because it's not difficult compared to his ability. Low-hanging fruit is still fruit.

>>10226944
>Lazy is about putting in less than what you "could" do.
Not so. If I can lift 100kg, and I need to move a 60kg rock, I'm not being lazy if I move it. If I make an excuse for not moving it I am lazy. If I used my full strength I would probably hurt myself and the rock would fly off somewhere
It's not the case that if you are not at maximum power at all times you are being lazy. You aren't being lazy if you don't sprint at full speed everywhere you go - because sprinting is not always necessary. If you don't sprint in the 100m race then you are lazy.

>>10226875

I doubt OPs problem is that he's cleverly minimizing all his workloads. "Smart but lazy" and "Smart enough to use time and energy efficiently" are two different phenomena.

>>10226647
>work hard
retarded meme spit out by people who don't understand the real problem. "Discipline" is a shit life where you do things you don't want to do because you believe that it will make you successful. If you're disciplined for the wrong reason, it's a great way to burn out and develop depression.

The real problem with /smartbutlazy/ is that these people have no clue what they actually want. They have spent their life on the internet consuming garbage entertainment and do not have enough experience. Every single person is capable of discipline without burnout, but only if they're doing something that they are actually interested in. If you're not into it, then discipline is just a memeword that means nothing because you will never achieve it.

To all /smartbutlazy/ people out there, the way out is to find what you're actually in to. Something that creates a 'drive'. Fuck discipline. You need more life experience to find what that interest actually is. Some things that may help are:
>get off the internet and other entertainment time sinks (that means video games and reading fiction as well)
>attend as many of your university's clubs meetings as you can
>travel the world (this is NPC-tier but actually helpful)
>try new things all the time (including music, foods, interactions)

Your stuck in a shit way of thinking. You've conditioned yourself to an unsatisfying life which is comfortable enough to accept, but boring enough to cause damage in the long term. It probably feels like it's too late, but it's not. If you keep living life as you are right now, you're FUCKED. Just peel the fucking bandaid off. Accept that your current path is not the right path for you, and make an extreme change. Maybe that means a change of scenery with new people in your life, maybe it means reinventing yourself completely. IDK what the change you need is, but it's clear that something has to be done.

>>10226855
I know what you mean but sometimes smart people don't have goals or motivations to work hard or strive for. Some people don't care about money, big house, luxury car etc. Such people I believe are the most content as well.

>>10227608
Best post in this thread so far

>>10226732
Holy fuck nice strawman. Might be the most autistic post I've seen in a while.

>>10226659
Dumb fucking undergrad.

>>10226732
Go back, tourist.

OP here: Excuse the absolute autism I'm about to post.

Between the lines of shitposts there's some actual solid advice in this thread. I spent the afternoon planning how I'm going to go from worthless, fat, do-nothing neckbeard, to accomplishing SOMETHING before i die. So far today I've been more productive in the last 4 hours than i have in the past 3 months.

I'm starting with forming habits by setting a cue, doing the thing I want to start doing, and then a reward.
ie:
Cue: My alarm clock in the morning
Behaviour: Exercise
Reward: Coffee

Immediately realised i wasn't going to leap out of bed and start jogging around the block, so i resolved to at least do ONE pushup (the just do something principle). I ended up doing 2 sets of 25 just because the first pushup broke the mental block.

Ended up meal prepping the entire day's worth of food before I left the apartment, Managed to keep a calorie deficit, high protein, low carb, and most importantly low cost.

Last order of the day is to study for 30 minutes. I ended up stretching that to 2 hours and now i'm rewarding myself by shitposting on a vietnamese comic book fansite and eating a home cooked meal.

I'm gonna keep this routine of morning exercise, meal prep, and studying small until it becomes a deeply ingrained habit, and start increasing the intensity slowly over time.

I'm also getting rid of my biggest time sinks, by investing in an E-reader to fill with my textbooks, so that i can leave the laptop at home, making it impossible to waste time on websites like this.

>>10227608
The problem is that there are basically zero interesting paths available in the modern world. If you think you're interested in something, the reality of doing it for work is going to be a dull, grey, depressing slog. You have to be a total moron to find the idea of a normal 9-5 career appealing. Anything normal is, by definition, a grey nightmare since that's mainly what the world is. The only way out is to be some exceptionally privileged individual capable of becoming an astronaut, musician, professional athlete, etc.

So why would any person with awareness have drive when there's zero payoff at the end of the road? All there is is aging with a paycheck as your body falls apart and the few interesting things about life cease to be possibilities.

>>10226659
cringe