/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10222542
Lying is morally wrong regardless of the situation.

>>10222548
kek

>>10222548
Most of country leaders are morally wrong...

This is getting out of hand too soon.

>>10222542
it is impossible to regulate, aknowledging it works and using it to treat people would break the system.

>>10222542
I think it would depend on what you were giving someone a placebo for. Is it for some mental problem that isn't real, or are you giving them antibiotics for a viral infection just so they will think you did something.

>>10222542
People don't usually use placebo to treat diseases. It's used to compare within a study if a new medication is effective or not

>>10222593
>Most of country leaders are morally wrong...
Didn't everyone already know this?

>>10222548
What if an axe murderer asked you where your son was hiding?

>>10223528
Possibly. I just had to point out.

What if all medicine was placebo. What if there's a personal placebo effect, that we've already identified, where you trick someone's subconscious into making medicine work. But then there's also a group placebo effect, that's gone completely unidentified and unseen, where you trick the public's collective unconscious into making medicine work?

or what if there are some placebo's so strong, effective, and reliable that it's literally scientifically impossible to differentiate them, with any test, from what we assume is potent modern scientific medicine?

>>10222548
If you tell someone a sugar pill will cure a headache, and it does cure the headache only because of placebo effect, where is the lie?

>>10223533
>trainderailed.jpg

If every leader assumes the others are lying crooks and they can get away with it, then they assume they can do the same with zero consequences. Perception of a corrupt government gives rise to the corrupt government. It's a strange case of perception can create reality, which oddly enough is related to the placebo effect of this thread.

One caveat tho. There will eventually be a critical point where corruption becomes too rampant that it's not just "perceived" but can be scientifically and legally documented. When this critical point happens, it can have a detrimental effect of the feedback loop of perception creating reality. Very simply, if corrupt politicians no longer believe they can get away with it then they'll stop. American politics are so corrupt right now they need this to happen. Trump may be the sacrificial lamb that they make severe example out of to send a clear signal to the other corrupt politicians out there that their behavior is not acceptable. Now to try to keep this all thread related, is there a similar "critical point" where placebo effect stops working?

>>10223531
You look at him dead in the eye say "I'm not going to lie to you" and walk away

>>10223531
shoot him.

>>10222542
If placebo works then the issue likely wasn't serious in the first place.

>>10222548
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>>10222542
>Is (adjective) wrong?
is red wrong? is small wrong?
what the fuck are you asking?

>>10222542
>using placebos for your own gain when you could be using nocebos against your enemies

>>10223590
So you have explanation in which best way is to notice nothing, are you goverment?