/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10220997
Get off this autistic board.

You should not feel guilty about what you like. If you discover something new about chemistry who is anyone to tell you that it's not smart enough? That's the beauty of research.

how do i stop feeling so inferior to physics students bros

>>10220997
People on this board shit on chemistry because they can't hack it. They are pure math faggots and have no spatial reasoning. That's why they cannot comprehend computational models and can't understand anything past 1+1

>>10220997
bully biologists

>>10220997
Because chemistry is hard as fuck.... for some people.

Nearly all of the shitflinging comes from a good ole fashioned and mutually understood ignorance. I'm fucking shite at chemistry. Everything has thousands of exceptions and gobbledegook names that don't always just translate into obvious properties.

> t. physics

>>10220997
fuck chemistry enjoy unemployment

>>10221032

This. Also chemistry "feels" wrong. Some of the framework that was built in order to explain certain phenomena falls apart in certain situations, so as a physics fag I'm kind of skeptical of the theory/rules/models all together (one exception to the rule should be enough to throw away the whole rule and replace with something deeper) . I mean why should I bother learning a bunch of quasi-scientific made up rules when some genius is going to unify it in a hundred years.

>>10221057
brainlet

>>10221057
All science is based on axioms,laws or principles

>>10221057
>the physicist's autistic impulse to summarize everything into a tight set of rules from which any scenario can be derived
It's nice, but it fucks you up when you hit a field where it doesn't work, like any field other than physics.

>>10221012
I'm a physics major, and I respect chemistry students. A lot. I see it as just a different cup of tea. I'm pretty okay at physics, but not great at chemistry.

I feel like chemistry is boring except for the drugs part

>>10220997
Chemistry is a huge meme. It is science for normies, as we don't want to make them feel bad for thinking science is puring water in a glass and take notes of colours.

>>10221057
Chemistry is incredibly unreliable. Models have a very tight range of values that a variable must have before error explodes into infinity.

I'd rather trust my heart surgery with a monkey than a phenomenon to a chemist.

>>10220997
you're thinking of biology, biology is the science for normies and "out-doors" people. unless it's medicine or biochemistry, biology is just slapping shit theories on observations already made, which always have unexplainable variables. heres the breakdown:

biology breaks down into chemistry which breaks down into physics which breaks down into math which breaks down into theory. since the last one is practically useless it's usually omitted. so anyone "lower on the ladder" can be called a brainlet by your logic.

also >>10221610 is just a salty tech major. 5 minutes of the lightest research could tell anyone that theres plenty of consistent and reliable chem models out there.

>inb4 salty chem student
I'm physics math double major

>>10221012
Go into EE.

Go into petroleum chemistry. $$$

>>10221610
>puring water in a glass and take notes of colours
how can i tell that you’re still in secondary school

>>10220997
>>10221610
>>10221057
Chemistry is too much of a meme.
The models are "barely good enough" and filled with exceptions.
This makes the field feel like it's Engineering and everyone that isn't a normie knows that engineers are retarded chimps.
Do this >>10221014 or make fun of engineers

>>10221013
>pure math
>no spatial reasoning
gr8 b8, brainlet

>>10222326
>women in math
spatial reason is the distinction between physics and math

>>10220997
Gibbs eq >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kelvin eq

Do antidepressives so you dont feel
Or let people bully you until you stop caring

>>10220997
Stay off this board and git gud at chemistry. Try to add extra math subjects if you can, so as to better interface with physicist collegues. You don't need to know what they know, but speaking the language better than most chemists will help.

Even the legitimate 5 sigma brains here are twisted with venom and spite. If you let them get to you it'll just bring your own performance down.

>>10222353
>implying chemists aren't already smarter than physicists.

>>10220997
Cook acid and laugh at pathetic brainlets who dislikes chemistry.

>>10221014
Unironically this

I have an inferiority complex towards STEM people because I like literature and linguistics.

>>10222439
At least linguistics is kind of sciency. Some important tie-ins with neuroscience and computation.

>>10222413
My point was about specialist knowledge and interdisciplinary collaboration, not IQ dickwaving.

>>10222439
>linguistics
You might have more aptitude in certain mathematical subfields than you think. Pic related is a pretty gentle "baby's first" tour. Maybe try it out.

>>10222445
Not all tough are belonging to discourse and are quantifiable by words... Just keep that in mind while you do hypergraph AI that should be human like.

>>10222445
>>10222466
I definitely can't do anything sciency. My love for literature just tied in with an interest in languages and I decided to get a BA in philology.
The last time I did anything STEMish was when I studied natural sciences in high school, but I was a B student in math and quickly lost motivation.

>>10222483
>but I was a B student in math
Oh no, how horrible, a B.
>quickly lost motivation.
Well there you go. If you didn't want to understand how do you expect to? For what it's worth I found high school math to be confusing rubbish too. More like a maze of arbitrary rules than clear reasoning. Boy was I wrong.

>I definitely can't do anything sciency
Not with that attitude you can't.

But you don't have to. No one is holding a gun to your head; be good at what you choose to do. Just make sure you don't fall for meme statistics, and you'll be a head and shoulders above the normies.

>>10222519
Well, my high school math classes went like:
>memorize this bullshit
>solve some easy exercises in class
>get much more difficult homework that you haven't been taught how to solve
>memorize some more bullshit and repeat
This naturally translated in fluctuating grades, and I'd get anywhere from a 60% to 100% (which essentially almost always ammounted to a B average) because I could understand some things perfectly and some not at all.
I enjoyed chemistry though, but I figured it would much more complicated if I tried to pursue it. I also kinda liked biology and psychology but I memed myself into thinking that they're not worth the effort.

>>10222529
Grades are representative of the students knowledge and abilities as much as the teacher's ability to teach
Now at college/uni you have a voice and you can enforce your rights to study and get the best education possible, so if your calc/linalg/maths teacher is shit you can complain and refuse in an official (written complaint) manner so you can get a better teacher. Or get your money back, which the uni/college doesn't like so they will try to assign a different teacher for you or your study group.

>>10222529
Yeah, that'll do it. Math ought to feel something like a particularly dense language used for writing discriptions of, and/or arguments about; quantity, variation, shape, and structure. Instead the high school experience seems to be something like monkey tricks because monkey tricks LOL"

In any case you need to disregard the /sci/ memes. No good will come of them.

>>10222538
you must be 18 or older to post here kid.
Stop projecting your fantasies about college.

>>10222563
Speaking from experience, burger. Europe has actually working rights and universities, this is how I got my grades up from 3.5 to 4.8 average.
Also graduating next semester and already got a contract and getting paid to study.

When book is not sufficient to teach, something went really wrong in society, books should teach and teachers should be advisors, not otherwise.

Also test represent information being present at the moment, not years after it, which is sad. Because diplomas stay valid while information can be long gone.

>>10222595
>t. sociopath brainlet

>>10222598
>>10222595
Let me guess, a non-white aced the tests you miserably failed, so now projecting on to society and everyone is wrong except you.
Typical brainlet

>>10222609
Wrong, I've been kicked out of school because I had conflict with lot of teachers, but never had any real problem with material, just the way it was presented, because it was slow as fuck, using low quality powerpoint slides and I already knew shit on lecture because I've been reading textbook for first 10 minutes of class.

>>10222598
tests and exams represent your ability to learn, work on your assignment on your own and your own discipline to focus on your work. Also working out how to access the knowledge later.
You would know this if you studied at least an hour on your own.

>>10222613
>kicked out of school
No need to explain further

>>10222615
I have literally no problem to recall information I've had read in math textbook on my own without exam and apply it. I can also work on projects on my own, because I have obligations different then pass a test.

>>10222627
Yet you are unable to work with people, no matter how basic the task is. I would kick you out as well.

>>10222642
I had no problem working with a lot of people, even to obey to orders, problem is I question them.

>>10222627
So, you're entirely independent but also your grades vary by teacher. Pretty big brain there, fampai.

Assuming you're not roleplaying: if the lecture material is moving too slow for you then picking a fight with the instructor in an attempt to flex is brainlet as fuck. They have a responsibility to more that just your needs, surely you can see that?

>>10222651
I haven't been picking fight, I've mostly just didn't attend in a place where you are supposed to attend everything, or was doing something completely different or attended and just listened to music and slept there.

I don't know how is school in your country, but in my country at age it happened teacher was guy who red out the textbook out loud and gave exercises.

Totally no need for guy like that.

Also there was teachers that respected me even while we was having fun with classmates whole class, because we could solve problems if we ware asked to go in front of board and solve them.

Certain teachers literally liked me as a student, because I could explain for whole class and few times I got good grades because how I explained shit when I was interrupted while doing something else in classroom or just raised my hand because of interest to explain.

But those did not happened with teachers who was happened to teach while communism was system here which their system to teach was just to read textbook to teachers and then tell them what to write in notes.

With teachers that explained stuff differently than textbook and let students take their own notes I had no fucking problem with them, and they didn't had problem with me.

I don't need a woman who reads me book page by page and then gives test everybody has answer to because she gave same last year and students are quite good at communication.

>>10222644
Keep living in denial, brainlet

>>10222651
To be honest somebody told me I was kicked out because I injected heroin... The information about what happened quite changed over time and was for sure adjusted in public so only one to blame was me.

>>10222661
>I've mostly just didn't attend
No need to explain further, brainlet

should i take industrial chemistry or chemistry? im from italy

>>10222683
No idea. Compare course lists and talk to employers.

Best case scenario is something like:
>Industrial Chem makes you more immediately employable in certain sectors. More time training specific skills desired by local economy.
>Chem on its own will give you a richer understanding of the underlying science. Doors open to academic research and teaching, but private employers are a little hesitant while you're still young.

>>10222683
industrial

>>10222683
What do you want to do?
Industrial chem is mostly just a part of either material sciences/polymer spec or industrial automatization/EE majors.

>>10221012
Stop being insecure fag

>>10220997
idiot

>>10222353
Pchem and chemE students are probably the most mathematically handicapped of STEM.

t. regretting chem major

>>10222331
>implying there aren´t more women in physics at the doctoral level
take a load of this brainlet physics undergrad cope

>>10222422
Pls elaborate on how you cook acid. It's fucking 2018, about to be 2019 and I still haven't found a condensed easy to understand method using store bought items that isn't horribly dangerous. I would love to hear how others go about it. Also, anyone know what this white shit is on pic attached? It's a leaf from morning glory heavenly blue that hasn't produced flowers yet. I am looking into how MGs produce LSA into the seeds and I hear it is a symbiotic relationship between the plant and a fungus that's supposed to live on the exterior of some of the leaves. Since this plant was grown indoors and it still produces this white stuff (florescent light blue under black light) maybe the plant puts lsa in the seeds to have the plant produce a fungus as it matures on the exterior of the leaves. People that say the fungus must be from outside exposure don't make sense to me.

>>10222039


> get masters in EE
> design toasters for a living

>>10223344
I haven't noticed this, I always tough that fungus grows on rye and lsa is produced also by plants via plant metabolism, but fungus doesn't grow on the plant, therefore maybe have evolve on behalf of the fact that there is already enough LSA in plant and it may function as population reduction in the fugus so it doesn't grow too much and acts like immunity in plants that way. Maybe same way we could fight cancer. Finding it's apoptosis mechanism. Maybe fungus has evolved in a way it does not work as growth inhibitor in the culture because it uses different mechanism.

Stuff for cooking acid for me looks like in good hand's that know what it does in what cases is not horribly dangerous, because it's predictable.

Have you analyzed the white stuff? Ergot is not white and I haven't yet heard about different fungus that produces ergot.

>>10223344
Pic didn't attach I h8 mobile.

>>10223367
Pic attached is the fungus that supposedly forms a symbiotic relationship with the morning glory species. I know of reports from mycopia and dmt nexus of people having successful extracts from just foliage and vines alone, so that must mean it is present in the plant. The question is were these extracts done on matured morning glory foliage and vines? It's possible to assume that in between sprouting stage and maturity, once the MG plant has enough leaves to sustain photosynthesis, it chooses a leaf (or leaves) to grow the fungus on to develop more LSA to protect the plant and future offspring. I have tested fresh MG sprout extract and while it does have LSA it is in low amount, like the same amount of lsa that was initially in that one seed is distributed throughout the sprout. I didn't give it longer than 3 hours extract time in ethanol with a few mL of lemon juice, but nonetheless their was florescence. I used probably around 20 fresh sprouts. I tried the same with 14gs of fresh MG vine and foliage at a later stage and it was stronger by a little bit. Again only 3 hours. I recently did one small plant extract for 24hrs and it was surprisingly stronger than expected for that small amount. I have yet to do anything with the white (fungus?) leaves as I lack an understanding of what it even is...Seeds still seem the most viable for LSA but I have interest in how the plant grows and how LSA is produced by the plant/fungus.

>>10223347
*CS and CE laughing from a distance*

>>10223457
That would require you to have area to commit photosynthesis, if you use ergot to extract alkaloid you can buy product already photosynthesized and all you must done with it is mold it and extract.

>>10223513
I don't understand what you're getting at.

>require an area to commit photosynthesis

There are multiple leaves on one host plant vine. Most of which receive adequate sunlight, some get blocked by other bigger leaves from light. These white (fungus?) leaves only started to grow after nearly a month after sprouting. The plants are grown indoors in a pretty sterile environment, yet they produced this white foliage. Some leaves are spotted white, but there are multiple leaves with white (fungus?) on them that all receive sufficient light. All the other leaves are lush green.

>ergot to extract alkaloid

What am I even reading? Ergot produces LSA from feeding on cereal. Whatever fungus may be growing on morning glories is much less toxic and should be producing alkaloids for the plant in exchange for nutrition from the plant. I don't want toxic ergot that needs to be purified from all the nasty gangrene causing stuff, I want to have a tame fungus (which is probably related to ergot) produce LSA for MGs. I wonder if you could just take the white coated leaves and extract just those for greater yield of LSA if it is indeed the source. Now this is a potential fungus so what all nasties would I even need to worry about for a strictly polar extract? Would all the nasties be non-polar?

Everyone on this thread is shitting on other people science

What about geology tho? I took it because it has some courses that engineers also take because I'm going to switch later, but is geology that shit of a science? lol

>>10225118
Rocks are cool.

>>10225118
The people shitting on fields are either engineers or roleplayers. Specialization is necessary, and so is working across multiple layers of abstraction.

For example, chemistry reduces to physics but why the fuck would you try to describe all that emergent behavior from first principles? Heuristics are necessary.

>>10225118
Not a science

>>10220997
I'm sorry anon but if you like chemistry you inherently are a brainlet.

>>10221597
kek

>>10221057
wow you nailed it. exactly what I think. chemistry is trying to hold onto a model that is flawed, but tries to make it work everytime. and it's fucking annoying if somebody doesn't have the adequate mind for it.

> t. physics as well

>>10221085
Spotted the highschooler

>>10225142
why would any of those post be engineers. Engineers are the most guilty with retarded approximations and heuristics.

>>10221012
How do we CS majors stop feeling inferior to all STEM majors? All my friends in Engineering and Math iq mog me hard, I feel like such a brainlet when I'm with them.

>>10226562
They make me feel rich

>>10226568
How?

>>10225513
>Engineers are the most guilty with retarded approximations and heuristics.

Engineers believe their approximations are exact.

>>10226572
With a bigger check for way less work than them, private AI research is not a meme :-)

>>10226604
>Approximation
>Exact
>Ever
There is your answer

>>10226604
>>10226608
i went E.Phys instead of Phys because I can still pursue a phd in physics or maths if i want to, otherwise go into the industry

>>10220997
>>10221235
Physics major here too, I don't have anything against any chemistry students I know. Like we all joke around with each other and stuff, but deep down I respect what their doing. If studying chemistry makes you feel like a brainlet, then your are too high for what makes someone a brainlet or not.

>>10220997
get good at physical chemistry or chemical physics, shit mathbabbies can't even begin to comprehend

>>10220997
You are a brainlet but not for liking chemistry but for feeling like a brainlet for liking chemistry. People stop giving more importance to some branches of science over others: what's more exceptional is not your insistence in being a "master" of one domain but being able to dominate as many domains as possible to have a better understanding of the whole universe, the scientific process, and your own mind! Every aspect of knowledge is an experience of its own and you should all stop insisting in prioritizing one experience at the expence of the rest! All experiences have their own awesomeness!!

>>10220997
adderall

you autistic faggots can chat as much shit about chemistry as you want, it still works and can do things physics cant

>Study pharmacology
>Synthetize and sell drugs
Probably the most well-paid STEM degree.

>>10221610
lol

>>10225230
What model? Some models used to rationalize chemical behavior are pretty rudimentary (lewis structures) while others more closely reflect reality (MO theory).
The reason the models are "flawed" is that determining the exact wavefunctions for systems with more than one electron is currently impossible. Since we still would like to have some predictive capacity, we use approximate models to rationalize observed behavior.

>>10223459
>get masters in CE
>design smart toasters for a living