/sci/ - Science & Math

I have got to read this woman's thesis. It sounds full of hilarious crap.

What mail order clown college gave this quack a degree?

Her American expositor Katherine Hayles made the mistake of re-expressing Irigaray's thoughts in (comparatively) clear language. For once, we get a reasonably unobstructed look at the emperor and, yes, he has no clothes:

>The privileging of solid over fluid mechanics, and indeed the inability of science to deal with turbulent flow at all, she attributes to the association of fluidity with femininity. Whereas men have sex organs that protrude and become rigid, women have openings that leak menstrual blood and vaginal fluids. . . From this perspective it is no wonder that science has not been able to arrive at a successful model for turbulence. The problem of turbulent flow cannot be solved because the conceptions of fluids (and of women) have been formulated so as necessarily to leave unarticulated remainders.

I think Wittgenstein was a genius. GEM Anscombe, who studied under him, seemed awesome. But then I read a discourse by her on transubstantiation. Transubstantiation, people.

It was then that I realized women are truly hopeless creatures.

>We can clearly see that there is no bi-univocal correspondence between linear signifying links or archi-writing, depending on the author, and this multireferential, multi-dimensional machinic catalysis. The symmetry of scale, the transversality, the pathic non-discursive character of their expansion: all these dimensions remove us from the logic of the excluded middle and reinforce us in our dismissal of the ontological binarism we criticised previously.

Thus, by calculating that signification according to the algebraic method used here, namely:

>S (signifier) = s (the statement),
>s (signified)
>With S = (-1), produces: s = sqrt(-1)

In a further piece of reasoning which is entirely typical of the genre, Lacan goes on to conclude that the erectile organ

>. . . is equivalent to the sqrt(-1) of the signification produced above, of the jouissance that it restores by the coefficient of its statement to the function of lack of signifier (-1).

>>1019795
> hey guys watch me as I break the most-unnecessarily-obscure-words-in-one-sentence record

>In the first place, singularities-events correspond to heterogeneous series which are organized into a system which is neither stable nor unstable, but rather 'metastable,' endowed with a potential energy wherein the differences between series are distributed . . . In the second place, singularities possess a process of auto-unification, always mobile and displaced to the extent that a paradoxical element traverses the series and makes them resonate, enveloping the corresponding singular points in a single aleatory point and all the emissions, all dice throws, in a single cast.

>>1019771

>Perhaps history itself has to be regarded as a chaotic formation, in which acceleration puts an end to linearity and the turbulence created by acceleration deflects history definitively from its end, just as such turbulence distances effects from their causes.

inb4 time cube

>>1019771
from which we conclude, Luce Iragaray == pretentious

goddamnit, cunts like this is why everyone mocks philosophers :(

Quantum Feminist Mnemotechnics:
The Archival Text, Digital Narrative and the Limits of Memory

>Connectivity has been called the genius of feminism by theorist Robin Morgan (53), and this genius is being realized in electronic spaces and texts in more complex ways than in any other medium to date. Connectivity's key position in the quantum feminist universe is reaffirmed by VNS Matrix's choice of the image of the matrix--the cosmic womb--as its symbol as much as by the OBN defining its local chapters as "nodes" that "collide, disintegrate, regenerate, engage, disembody, reform, collapse, renew, abandon, revise, revitalize and expand" (OBN FAQ 7). These structural and mechanical concerns are not accidental. Quantum feminisms do not inhabit a network; they are the network of feminist discourse in virtual space. In the archival text, this dynamic connectivity, interconnection and disconnection is both narratological structure and the means of navigation in space and time. The lurch and the jump of a browser's deterritorialized journey through a hyperlinked text simultaneously problematizes connectivity, perspective and the nature of multidimensional space even as it explores them. The tendency is always to speak of and visualize the tangible rather than what lies in between joining one artifact, page, or space to the next. Carolyn Guyer dubs this no-place between screens a "buzz-daze state," that is a feeling of dis/orientation in "being split among places" (n.p.). Luce Irigaray has asked, "What do we call a gap that is full?" (qtd in Joyce, 1995, 207) and in the webbed space of hyperlinked fiction the pregnant gaps between the nodes are at least as important as the textual nodes themselves.

This goes on for about 100,000 words: http://www.mcluhan.utoronto.ca/academy/carolynguertin/diss.html

i don't know what the fuck is going on in this thread.

>>1019869
It's why feminism is rightly mocked.

>>1019885
Oh look, psuedoscientific horse shit.

i remember taking intro anthropology for distribution requirements in college. prof seemed ok enough, except one day she started in on some rant on how all of science is masculine because of terms like "penetrating research" with masculine connotations. i was too dazed to respond at first. then, i decided it was a good idea to just stfu and get my B and never touch that department again.

>quantum feminism

ok, now I've seen everything

http://www.artwomen.org/cyberfems/index.htm
what is this i don't even

>Luce Irigaray
>feminist philosopher
why_hasn't_anyone_raped_her_face_FULL_FORCE.jpg

>Quantum Feminist
So if I stop paying attention to it, it just stops existing?
Done and done.

There was a time when feminism was the radical idea that women are people, too. Hair-brained, irrational, untrustworthy people, but people nonetheless. Now it is this kind of shit. Women already have a bad name, bitches like this don't need to make it worse.

>>1019902
You should have thrown in feminine terms to balance it out, like "kitchen research" or "vulva power".

>>1019795
The stupid, it burns! Proof that a retard with a thesaurus is still a retard.

>>1019937There was a time when feminism was the radical idea that women are people, too. Hair-brained, irrational, untrustworthy people, but people nonetheless.

This is exactly, word for word, the type of feminism I could support.

>>1019928
Best

Quantum

Observation

EVER!

>Quantum feminist works make no attempt to reconcile this dislocation between networked nodes and their gaps in space-time. Instead, they foreground and use this aspect, highlighting the disjunctures of the subject's position as she is depicted and as she voyages through the text. These nodes of the new media--what we might think of as pages in a print context [1] or as windows on a computer--are sites of both connectivity and dislocation that are interwoven with and perforated by links, those directional indicators for leaps to new locations across the "gutters" of the form (as Stuart Moulthrop dubs these breaks). "Gutters," he says, are "both the division between components in sequential art and by analogy any boundary that separates cultural domains" ("Misadventure" n.p.). These gutters are pauses, structural gaps, moments out of time and spatial entities in their own right, as well as low moments in the history of (print) culture. The sites of connection between nodes as destination are both fluid and fixed, constantly forming and reforming as we call them up, jump the divide via links, and encounter them anew, recontextualized and resituated by arrivals and departures across the gaps in our browsing and rereading. Nodes are self-contained units that branch multidimensionally across rifts of space and time.

basically means
>There is a problem with the old-fashioned Internet, which is that because there is no physical journey in hypertext, it emphasises each stage on the Back/Forward procession, rather than the space between them. This is unfair on those spaces, which are cruelly neglected just because they don't really exist.

Men: thinking, rational, constructive
Feminists: feeling, irrational, herp herp herp herp

Thanks for putting women back a century feminists.

>>1019902
My anthro teacher in high school was the same. One day someone brought up affirmative action and she went on a rant how the ones who benefit from it the most are white males because there are many more qualified female college applicants, but the ratio is pretty close to 50/50. I lold quietly in the back.

>>1019972
Do... do people actually read this shit?

>>1019848
Oh lord, for some reason I giggled so hard.
Man that old coot and his ideas.

>>1019972

i didn't actually understand any of this. ditto for basically everything in this thread.

>We can clearly see that there is no faggotry-word correspondence between linear signifying links or faggotry-word, depending on the author, and this faggotry-word, multi-dimensional faggotry-word catalysis. The symmetry of scale, the faggotry-word, the faggotry-word non-discursive character of their expansion: all these dimensions remove us from the logic of the excluded middle and reinforce us in our dismissal of the ontological faggotry-word we criticised previously.

>>1019984
It's primarily for consumption by other academics. Possibly students if it gets published in some kind of anthology.

>>1019993
fag

Could I get a link to this paper? Or at least the name of it?

>>1019972
That is the stupidest thing that anyone has ever written.

>Her work aims to reveal a perceived masculinist philosophy underlying language and gestures toward a "new" feminine language that would allow women to express themselves outside of a phallocentric discourse
Language is sexist and we should all feel bad for using it.
I wonder what words seem masculine, apart from the nature of the words, but rather in her way masculine, how would women communicate in a way that is feminine?
>Oh my gosh, did you, like, totally cheat on your, like boyfriend????

>>1020016
That's so horse shit, there are certain words that have a sense of power, irrespective of who says it.

This womans a feminist troll, we need to kill her.

Stupid feminists think gender concepts have a bearing on astrophysics and quantum mechanics.

>>1020016

>phallocentric discourse.

check please!

Let me try my hand at it:

>Why must we accept the supposedly obvious paradigm that "1+1=2"? The entire framework of society's mathematics is based on the masculine patriarchy that dominates all fields of study. The very mathematical operators used in arithmetic, that impose their meaning on the numbers around them, are all defined by rigid, phallic symbols: +, -, and × all resemble combinations of masculine parts (the form of ÷ as a penis and two testes is readily demonstrable). Even the number "1" has the appearance of a penis, with the hook on its tip associated with the visible glans of a circumsized penis of patriarchal Judeo-Christian thought. The number "2" is defined by its shape, which features prominent feminine curves, but the equation "1+1=2" imposes the idea that it is through man alone that woman exists at all, in a residual echo of the persecuting notion of Eve being created from Adam.

>>1020072
Brilliant!

This is why postmodernist writing is so incomprehensible:

>Though all the great historians I just mentioned were wonderfully clear writers, postmodern academic fashions have declared clear writing to be ideologically contaminated. The editors of one recent collection of postmodernist essays inform us: 'The ideal of a transparent, tempered and accommodated prose' is 'the approved mode of expression for the society and values of the newly empowered middle class.' (Innovations of Antiquity, ed. Ralph Hexter and Daniel Selden, New York 1992). Another has declared 'unproblematic prose and clarity of presentation' to be 'the conceptual tools of conservatism.' (Mas'd Zavarzadeh, Journal of Aesthetics and Art Criticism, cited by John M. Ellis, Against Deconstructionism.)

Thus, if you prefer arguments that are (a) comprehensible and (b) able to withstand scrutiny, you must be a conservative, i.e. The Enemy. On the other hand, if you denounce such bourgeois trifles, you're "radical" and very, very sexy.

as a general rule, if the average word length > 7.5, the text is bullshit

>>1019885
It's DESIGNED to be ridiculous... to "deflect the hegemony of patriarchal thinking"...

>Evolving out of the evocative echoes between three countercultural discourses, hypertext, cyberfeminist theory and the Canadian feminist school of writing known as fiction-theory, my dissertation undertakes a study of the function of memory in digital narrative. Both fiction-theory and hypertext fiction arose at a particular moment in time, the 1980s, out of like-minded concerns with language and narrative. Fiction-theorists (especially Nicole Brossard, Daphne Marlatt and Gail Scott--now seen as early practitioners of a form known as 'hypertext-in-print') used the conjunction of fiction and theory to make a self-reflexive space for feminist politics in their writings. Fiction-theory, like cyberfeminist theory, "work[s] the interface" between the creative process and reading, between language and content, between bodies and materialist concerns, and between typographic conventions and discourses within texts (Moyes 309). The method deflects the hegemony of patriarchal thinking by breaking it up into pieces where the syntax and context can be analyzed.

>>1020072
fawking idiot,
don't remember that the numerical system was actually made by muslims, not jews. HURRRRRRRRR

>>1020166
but a person as retarded as Luce Irigaray might not know that, so what >>1020072 posted is okay

>>1020166
Ah, but that would imply there was any value to the idea of authorial intent, which as any acclaimed literary critic knows has no bearing whatsoever on a piece (because it would require critics to actually do historical research).

>>1020072
The "2" could just as well be a side shot from an upside nutsack, with the line representing a tiny wang.
Im not even raging yet, its probably just building up now.
Let women make their own symbols for numbers and operators if they are so uncomfortable using the "male" symbols.
And i just thought of a car.
The gear shift stick is obviously a penis, so I suggest we make cars for women where they have to insert their hand inside a pouch like object to change gears.
Make female water bottles that are in the shape of boobs. Make female pencils that dont resemble a phallus
God damn, now im raging fucking stupid feminists, they would love to have these percieved superiorities, but, they tell themselves its all a male conspiracy.

>>1020187
you know what?

I'm gonna go kill all critics and philosophers. the world will be a -much- better place.

>>1020144
>>1020159
Jesus fucking christ. This is all some elaborate joke, there's no way they're serious.

>>1020195
oh, and sell carrots (and other "phallic" vegtables) that look like boobs

>>1020166
Let's change it to "abrahamic".
Happy now?

>>1019771

KILL THIS BITCH WITH FIRE AND MAGNETS

>>1020238
>MAGNETS
Magnetism privileges the heteronormative system of thought over LGBT worldviews, by imposing the notion of a "north" and "south" pole to a magnet, demanding that each pole can only be exclusively north or south, and that only opposite poles can attract each other. The system of queer-magnetism has been rejected by conservative mainstream thought for the mere crime of promoting poles that are both north and south or neither, that can attract any other type of pole.

>Quantum feminism

>>1020282
>The system of queer-magnetism

you people crack me up

what_the_fuck_am_I_reading.png

So if there is quantum feminism what are the quanta of feminism? Bitchons?

>>1020282
>queer-magnetism
Fucking lol'd

>>1020306
One point twenty-one sarcastibitches!

>this thread

example of gener neutral language
>police person
>firefighter

Dont say mankind, thatll turn heads everywhere because youre an insensitive jerk if you.

>>1020072

I think I just... shat myself...........with joy.

>>1020000
you win the prize for wasted get.

Nobody could be this stupid, right?
This is just some elaborate joke, right?

>>1019771

>>1020072
You are the god of satire

Men can be ass hats as well check out Derrida:

As soon as we cease to believe in such an engineer and in a discourse which breaks with the received historical discourse, and as soon as we admit that every finite discourse is bound by a certain bricolage and that the engineer and the scientist are also species of bricoleurs, then the very idea of bricolage is menaced and the difference in which it took on its meaning breaks down.

Furthermore if feminism was really about promoting equal rights it would be called equalism.

>>1020527
Given context, this could make sense.

>>1019771
This is a quote by the biology professor Richard Dawkins.

A man who have complained about words like "fireman" being sexist, and changed his vocabulary to "firefighter" instead.

So, yes, he's basically unassailable in his wrathful critisism. And the entire piece is just so scornful you can't help but lol.

>>1020527
>Furthermore if feminism was really about promoting equal rights it would be called equalism.

I totally agree with this

>>1020556
Forgot trip.


Also, source:

http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/dawkins.html

In case you want to read the entire can of whup-ass and told he dispensed to his audience.

Anyone who doesn't immediatly google 'Sokal Affair' and read about it is no longer allowed to call themselves scientifically minded

>this thread

pic related, but a vagina is present

>>1020583
Already read it, and posted link to Dawkin's attack.

Feels good man.

>>1020556
Firefighter sounds cooler than fireman anyway, whos really complaining?

But if they change mailman ima rage.

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

>>1020556
As awkward as a lot of those PC terms can sound, at least the reasoning behind the change makes sense, as opposed to feminists who say "herstory" instead of "history" (or Afrocentrists who claim "human" comes from "hued-man") as if that's where those words comes from.

>>1020752

I dunno, I get why some of them are invented, and agree with some of them. There's point where it needs to stop though, and we've clearly passed it 100 miles ago when people started saying womyn.

hahaha oh Dawkins you badass son of a bitch.

I've been in these classes, they really are full of tooth-grinding stupidity.

>>1020817
Exactly. Calling a female a "fireman" is obviously wrong, firefighter even sounds cooler, but misspelling words like history or changing words for no real reason is just a lot of nonsense.

>>1020752

If I say
"men are naturally violent creatures"

Am I saying that all the human beings are by their nature violent, or am I making a sexist remark about male human beings?

In the past this would have never been a problem as women were barely considered humans, and anyway were considered irrelevant.
Our language reflects that.
It's obvious that as our culture and costumes change so will language change too according to the new cultural system.
It's always happened and it always will and it's stupid to try to stay attached to old linguistic forms. Just like it's stupid to try to force the changes by academic decree. Some things will happen spontaneously, over time, for the simple reason that with different cultural references we will need different linguistic forms to express them.

This isn't only about sex, but also about religion, race politics and so on.

>feminist philosopher

Stopped reading there.

>>1020817
>womyn

but "y" is the male chromosome.
IT should be womxn.

>>1020583

>>1020935
>feminist philosopher
>not simone de beauvoir

after slightly further analysis, i agree

>>1020195Make female water bottles that are in the shape of boobs.

Male here, I want water bottles shaped like boobs. Also requesting SMBC comic there feminists bitch about the phallic shape of rockets and the last panel shows the poor progress that female rocket scientists were having with their vulva shaped rocket.

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Post Modernist generator.
hahahahahahha.
The funniest thing I have ever seen. It generates a post modernist paper everytime you refresh using random words.

Guys, this is probably the 1st thread I'm seeing here that is worth going to 4chanarchive.
It's more awesome than all science jokes I've ever heard together.

http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/main.php?mode=submit

I think all she needs is someone to pay attenetion to her "gap."

It's been neglected for so long.

>>1021051

Done bro.

Its sad that this shit persists in today's colleges. I know people that talk like this. It makes me rage. WHY DO YOU HATE SIMPLICITY AND COMMON SENSE

>>1020958
>Implying that any feminist 'philosopher' should be taken seriously
I have to disagree with you there.

FUCKING POSTMODERNISM MAKING PHILOSOPHY SEEM LIKE BULLSHIT

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>>1021145

>implying its not

Sorry dude. someone had to do it

>>1021102
Because simplicity and common sense tell us things that we do not want to hear, sometimes.

>>1021051
This thread already happened. Like several times over the past several months.


Oh, and in defense of Irigaray and her ilk: it is neither their aim nor desire to say something within science. You are reading far too into things if you think the assertion is literally that scientific thought has a penis. She, and others like her, remain within the realm of rhetoric and discourse and most do not pretend to do otherwise. To assume so is a misrepresentation or misreading.

There are those, and I would point to the "quantum feminist" linked here, that, in a misguided attempt to make their work seem relevant, different, or unique, overstep their bounds, and in general make a muck of thinking that has already been cogently and more simply expounded elsewhere. Point in case: the poster here linked to a DISSERTATION. Dissertations are almost always unpublishable as formulated.

tl;dr Seriously, why so butthurt? Thinkers don't take themselves as seriously as you think they do.

>>1021319

ITT long winded troll.

>>1021319
BACKPEDALAN

>>1021319
It doesn't really matter how serious they take themself, when their "unserious" and "unpublishable" thoughts are taken seriously by other and regurgitated as gospel.

The biggest problem with their rhetoric experiments is that people take them serious, and then they themselves fail to step in and say "Dudes and dudettes. Chill. We were just fucking around and playing about with argumentation. Cheese-us Christ and deliver us from you fucktardettes."

They just look at us smugly.

Read the link to Dawkins attack, and see for yourself why they came under fire. He tends to point out the obvious that we were blind to, and it's a good read.

>>1021319

if its all bullshit WHY DO WE FUCKING PAY THEM

>>1019786
>>1019786


apparently she doesnt understand nonlinearity and coupling.

>>1021319
>it is neither their aim nor desire to say something within science. You are reading far too into things if you think the assertion is literally that scientific thought has a penis. She, and others like her, remain within the realm of rhetoric and discourse and most do not pretend to do otherwise. To assume so is a misrepresentation or misreading.
What's at issue here is that these idiots take scientific theories and mathematical axioms that they do not understand, remove from them any semblance of sense and reason, and use them to advance and justify their own pet 'philosophies'. That they remain in the realm of rhetoric and discourse is no excuse for the glaring ignorance that they dress up as enlightenment.