/sci/ - Science & Math

anybody with an iq greater than 92 can solve any math problem given something to make notes with and 10000 years

>>10202027
Your IQ is sub 100 because you could not think of an original thread: >>10200634

>>10202027
not science or math

>>10202027
It's in the polka dot box duh.

the middle one right?

>>10202040
It's Boolean logic

>>10202027
it can be any of the three lmao

>>10202027
Physicist here with 140+ iq. It’s in the blue/green stripey box

>>10202027
Middle
ez

>>10202051
>Boolean logic
not science or math

if the green box is true it's the middle one
if the polka is true then you get a contradiction because the middle box being false means that the gift is both in polka and middle
if the middle one is true then you get a contradiction because polka being false means it isn't in polka, and the green box being false means it is in polka

so it's the middle one.

The middle, right?
If the left statement is the true one, than the middle one is false, so the true middle statement would be "the gift is here", which contradicts with left statement.
If middle statement is true than left statement is actually "the gift isn't in polka dot" and right statement is "the gift IS in polka dot", again a contradiction.
If right is true than the gift isn't in the polka dot one, IS in the pink one and is not in the polka dot one, and here we have no contradiction.
so middle.

middle is the only solution IQ 151

>>10202062
But it is math

>>10202062
boolean logic is math

>>10202068
>>10202073
samefag

>>10202027
Center one

>>10202027
So the middle one has the gift. Am I correct?

>>10202284
If you have to ask if you're correct, OP's statement probably still applies

Middle 129 iq.

>>10202027

the gift is located in the pink box

The gift can't be in the polka dot box because there would be two true labels (polka dot and pink).
The gift can't be in the right box because there would be two true labels (pink and blue).
Therefore the gift must be in the center box.

>>10202027
green box

>>10202291
>checking for accuracy means you're a brainlet

Time for a /sci/ hiatus again. Goodbye

It's in the polka dot box

It's in the polka dot box, it has to be.

>>10202721
nevermind

>>10202681
>t. brainlet

>>10202027
Assume the polka-dot box is honest. Then the pink box is also saying the truth, so by contradiction, it lies.
Assume the pink box is truthful. If the gift is in the polka-dot, it is also saying the truth, so by contradiction, the gift has to be in the blue box. But if it is there, then the blue box is saying the truth, so by contradiction, the blue box is the only truthful one, and the gift is in the pink one.

ping

>>10202027
middle, took a while cause I read the description wrongly.

>>10202027

If it's in the Polka dot box, then two of the statements are true: "It's in here" and "The gift is not in here". Since only one statement is true, it cannot be in the polka dot box.

If it's in the green striped box, then again, two statements are true: "The gift is not in here" and "The gift is not in the polka-dot box".

By elimination, it's in the middle box, and the one true statement is "The gift is not int the polka-dot box".

>>10202027
Center box means F, F, T.

>>10202027
It's in the polkadot box because it says it's in there and why would polkadot lie to me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhFpbgvmyao

>>10202027
>>10202049
>>10202061
>>10202068
>>10202073
>>10202074
>>10202284
>>10202478
>>10202578
>>10203064


FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK OK I ADMIT I AM A FUCKING LOW IQ SUB 100 BRAINLET

BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ITS THE MIDDLE ONE AND HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR HOURS

WHAT THE FUCK AHHHHHHHHHHHH

WHICH LEVEL OF EXISTENCE DO YOU GENIUSES EXIST IN

PLEASE BESTOW YOUR WISDOM TO A SUBHUMAN LIKE ME

>>10202974
sneaky elusive "not"

>>10203140
First pretend the gift is in the Left one.
Check how many labels are true if it is there.
2/3 labels are true, but only 1 is supposed to be true.
Therefore it is not in the Left one.

Next pretend it is in the Right one.
Check how many labels are true if it is there.
2/3 labels are true, but only 1 is supposed to be true.
Therefore it is not in the Left one.

Lastly pretend it is in the Middle one.
Check how many labels are true if it is there.
1/3 labels are true.
Therefore it is in the Middle one.

>>10203140
Are you being sarcastic? Only 1 of the statements are true. If the left label is true then it produces a contradiction, if the right label is true it also produces a contradiction. Therefore only the middle one can be true.

>>10203148
Low iq

>>10202027
Y'all are retarded, it's about which one has the gift, not which label is true. If the middle label is true, then is the problem itself flawed?

>>10203148
HOLY SHIT THANK YOU I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD IT :D :D :D :D

IF THERE WERE ONLY MORE GENEROUS ALTRUISTIC PEOPLE LIKE YOU AROUND /SCI/ WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE THAN ITS USUAL ELITIST PSYCHOPATHIC SELF

>>10202974
lmao same

>>10203185
No, the question STATES that two of the boxes are lying to you while one is telling the truth and then ASKS you to figure out which one actually has a present in it. The one that has the present in it doesn't have to the one that is telling the truth. In this case the one on the right is telling the truth but the middle one is the one that has the present in it.

Once you understand that the solution is pretty trivial.

Make sense?

Its a trick question.
You cannot have insight into what is inside each box, they all appear to be gifts from the outside. Think Schrodingers Cat.

>>10203148
It never says the package with a gift necessarily has a label that is true tho.

>>10202027
>>10203140
Dude literally just proceed by cases. THERE'S ONLY 3 FUCKING CASES. Until you find one consistent with the criteria.

>>10202068
>>10202073
Congrats, you may not be retarded.

>>10203212
Yup, never said I wasn't retarded myself heheh
Thx senpai

>>10202027

Without looking at the thread, i'd say that the striped box on the right is correctly labeled and that the gift is in the pink box.

Reasoning: If the dot box's label is correct, then so will be the label on the pink box but only one label can be the correct one. The striped box says nothing about its own contents but the pink and dot box do and if the striped box is correct, then both other boxes are lying and thus, the pink box contains the gift while the striped box is correctly labeled.

>>10203193
>>10203148
There is an easier solution.
>If statement B is true then statement A and C are false.
>Statement A and C can't be false at the same time.
>Therefore Statement B is false, and statement A is false because the box is in B, and C is true because the box is not in A.

>>10203486
>easier
lol no.

>>10202027
9 and 1 are both valid.

>>10203428
We're all retarded lol, part of the point of having "intellectual communities" is so that we can talk to each other to figure out the stupid and tell each other "NO" until it sticks

>>10202027
The polka dot box

>>10203305
Did you reply to the wrong post? His explanation does not require the gift to be the one that's true. On the contrary, it requires the opposite, because in this example the middle box is lying about not containing the gift.

>>10203486
That's messier.

>>10203502
kek
>>10203810
you're very, very stupid

>>10202027
It's in the middle box. The right label is true.

>>10202027
>the gift is in the middle
>the label "The gift is not in the polka-dot box" is the only true label
i think only this works

>>10202059
You answered the wrong question.

>>10202052
dumbass.

>>10202027
Sorry to ruin your trolling /sci/

>>10202027
statements of A and C forces one of them to be true the other false
Then B is always false since only one statement is true
Thus it is in B

>>10202027
it's the middle one
with either of the other gifts, two labels would be true
took me probably a minute to figure out

t. suffered mercury poisoning for years
have taken emeramide and just started using nootropics
gonna take some biologically active peptides soon, for my terrible breathing, and to help out the various parts of my body that have been damaged
if anyone here feels like a brainlet from questions like this—feels like it's *fundamentally wrong* that they shouldn't be able to answer this question, and that they should be able to get it—i encourage them to recognize that you've probably been exposed to something that's harming your biological function, and to fight for your life
recovering from anything seems to be possible

(mind you, OP's pic is just a simple brain teaser—i certainly haven't ascended to godlike status in my month or so of using genuine emeramide (bought from fandachem; only naming the vendor because there are fakes out there, from the likes of medkoo), but this is a question that probably would have had me wondering for over an hour in times past)

If the label on box 2 is true (meaning that the other labels are false) then the present is in box 3. Similarly if we take the label on box 3 to be true then the present is in box 2. This cannot be solved without opening the box and finding out.

Only the pink box has a label that is true?

>>10204733

Oh anon...

If the pink box's label is correct then you will get a contradiction. Dot box says it contains the gift while the striped box says that the dot box is lying and doesnt have the gift. Both of them cant lie at the same time.

There's three different scenarios which shows it's either in box 1 or 2.

So you can exclude box 3 and run through scenarios again which shows it has to be box 1.

>>10204769
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>10202027
There's three different scenarios which shows it's either in box 1 or 2.

So you can exclude box 3 and run through scenarios again which shows it has to be box 1.

>>10202027
There's three different scenarios which shows it's either in box 1 or 2.
>So you can exclude box 3 and run through scenarios again which shows it has to be box 1.

>>10202027
There's three different scenarios which shows it's either in box 1 or 2.
So you can exclude box 3 and run through scenarios again which shows it has to be box 1.

>>10204783
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>10204783
What does sub 100 iq feel like?

>>10204783
nigga what

>>10204783
Idk why this made me laugh so much

>>10202059

>>10204679
Would taking those be beneficial even if there's nothing apparently wrong with you cognitively?

>>10204783
>Been playing brain-training games for weeks on my phone
>time to demonstrate my skills on my favorite board, /sci/

>>10204783
wtf do the crosses and the ticks mean?

>>10202035
Why the arbitrary cutoff

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>>10202027
#1 cant be true, #2 isn't true either, #3 is the true label. Therefore #2 is the correct choice.

>>10202027
3rd label is the only one that is true right (as it does not create a contradiction)?
So it's in the middle box.

The other labels would create contradictions.

>>10204978
>first is opposite of third
>so one is true the other is false
>which makes the second false
you don't even need to know which one is true to find the gift

>>10204983
You see I don't do a maths major so I'm surprised I managed to think in any form of logic with the question. I deal with nothing but abstract concepts in my major so that's how I dealt with the question - by understanding the quality of the things in the question.

>>10204993
Too obvious

>>10204996
The weirdest part is that I started in something more maths orientated. Only now am I beginning to see how much my brain has changed since moving to the abstract orientated major. I used to think like how you did and now it's extremely hard for me to do.
Your brain is an amazing thing, how it adapts to different ways of thinking.

>>10202027
If you answered this thread with where you think the gift is, your IQ is less than 85

>>10202027
Depends on what "the gift" is.

>>10202027
It's pretty fucking easy. Just try all possibilities, any retard can solve this.

>Left Label
Makes the middle label false, so there are two gifts. Impossible
>Middle label
Makes the right label false, which means it's in the polka dot box. Two gifts, impossible.
>Right Label
Last one, it has to be true. No conflicts, because the middle label is false means gift is in the middle box.

OP is a faggot for posting such a shit test.

>>10203140
Verify all cases one by one, all the other labels are reversed when you pick one.

>>10203762
One of the good people on /sci/, keep being you bro

>>10203762
>We're all retarded lol
>lol

>>10202027
why do you keep bumbing these threads?

>>10202027
I sent my friends this test and most of them thought it was left the box. Gonna day they misunderstood out of the benefit of the doubt

>>10204900
probably
i mean,
if you *don't* have mercury poisoning—which, if you have ever had "silver" amalgam dental fillings, you almost certainly do to some degree, and it will forever hinder your body's ability to function properly until it is removed—emeramide is still a very potent antioxidant with a long half-life, is lipid-soluble, and is without apparent toxicity (with oral doses in rats in excess of 0.5% their body weight not causing any apparent problems)
if you *don't* have apparent cognitive problems, many nootropics still are neuroprotective (and even neurogenerative, in the case of things like noopept, semax, P-21, lion's mane—many of which (all of which?) are peptides, but the list goes on) in addition to being able to increase athletic performance and (in many apparently healthy people) stimulate the process of learning
if you *don't* appear to have other organ problems, i can say in all earnestness that NUMEROUS biologically active peptides still appear to be extremely beneficial (extending telomeres and repairing damaged DNA, which almost certainly optimizes organ function even in healthy individuals (and has restored organ function in the sick)), and oftentimes extremely low-risk
i'm gonna be trying to get some bronchogen, honluten, vladonix, and taxorest for my lungs soon—but, there are other short peptide complexes, of course, that work to restore optimal cognitive function in particular
pinealon comes to mind

absolute coolest area of medicine; if you look into these short peptides, you'll see a good number of anecdotes that mention very positive results with their use
it's certainly exciting, knowing that i may not live and die with shit cardiovascular function

>>10205183
>Gonna day they misunderstood out of the benefit of the doubt

>>10205293
Shut shut up! You saw nothing.

>>10205020
>responding to brain teasers at all is necessarily a sign of having a low IQ
lighten up

>>10204756
>if(pinkBoxThatSaysItsFalse==false)
>print("The statement is True");

I thought this was one of those meme can be taken several way/impossible questions, but it's fairly simple.
It's the middle box.
Simply if yellow box has present
Label 1/2 is true
If middle has present
Label 2 is true
If last box has present
Label 1/3 is true

>>10202681
wouldn't that be a /sci/atus?

>>10202027

The Jew lies it's in the first one

>>10203193
fuck off you passive aggressive sarcastic faggot. go back to >>>/ck/

>>10204783
your first scenario already contradicts itself, you grunting mongoloid

>>10202027
middle one is true
gift is in green one you silly niggers

>>10202068
yup. only the green box can be true. if one of the other labels is true, you get paradoxes.

This is the best troll thread on the board at the moment

Pink box has item, green box is true

>>10202027
Jesus fucking christ.
If the gift was in box one, the other two labels would be false, satisfying the original statement.
If the gift was in box two, two labels would be wrong.
If the gift was in box three, two labels would be right.

The gift is in box one.

>>10207343
how do you get paradoxes? if one is true the other two are false so don't conflict

>>10207373
If polka dot is true, pink is false, and so the gift is in both polka dot and pink.

Its probably in box #1, it results in the least number of untrue statements. Assuming that you can trust all of the statements equally, and that they help us find the gift.

Only high IQ answer by the way.

>>10207503
>>10207373

>>10207503
>making a diagram
>not being able to read your own diagram
It's in box 2

>>10202027
Am I a brainlet ?

>>10207534
I solved this in 3 seconds btw

>>10207537
That’s the right answer, so no

>>10207526
What makes you say that?

>>10207542
It's the only option that satisfies both conditions.
In line two, you have checked both boxes of both of the conditions.

>>10202027
3rd box, figured it out in 10 seconds.

>>10207571
Why are you valuing those statements over any other?

>>10207373
If the gift was in box 1, it would be also in box two dummy
The gift is in either box 2 or 3

people are pretending to be stupid in this thread right ?

>>10207610
No and they probably browse /pol, support trump, deny climate change and think the earth is flat

>>10207593
Wrong

>>10207617
The best bait is the bait that is also true.

>>10202027
Look at it like a Boolean system. Present in box can be 0 (false) or 1 (true).
Statement can be 0 (false) or 1 (true).

There is only one possibility. The middle box has the present and the right box has the true statement.

>>10207503

"Only one of these boxes contains a present"

>>10207639
>"the gift is in here"

You are making an assumption to trust that statement over the others. How can you justify that?

>>10207523
>>10207526
>>10207639
You guys are playing tic-tac-toe while we are actually playing 5D chess. You are so many steps behind, and you don't even realize it.

>>10207670
>>10207601
only non-brainlet answers in this thread

>>10207670
What if I'm at the 6th dimension already my man? I've beaten you.

>>10202027
Simple comp sci to the rescue.

void public string findGift(boxC) {

boolean boxA = true, boxB = false;

if(boxC){
boxA = false;
} else {
return System.out.println("Box A has the gift");


if(!boxA){
boxB = true;
return sytem.out.println("Box A has the gift");
}

}


TL;DR in other words, if box A is wrong, then box B is right and if C said it had the gift, and there is only one gift, the one lying would have the gift.

>>10207738
mean't return sytem.out.println("Box B has the gift");

>>10207738
>compsci
>uses long retarded and way too complicated code
you're not compsci, you're a pajeet, use simple predicate logic (a,b,c are Statements "Gift ist in Box"):
statement A:=a
statement B:=-b
Statement C:=-a
combine these into one:
P=a^-b^-a
eliminate a and -a because of contradiction
this leaves us with
P=-b but because P has to have a box b ist false making it contain the gift.

Simple comp sci to the rescue.

void public string findGift(boxC) {

boolean boxA = true, boxB = false;

if(boxC){
boxA = false;
} else {
return System.out.println("Box A has the gift");


if(!boxA){
boxB = true;
return sytem.out.println("Box B has the gift");
}

}

boxC is always true, before its put through the function, if it didn't have a gift, then two labels have two truths and does not fulfill the statement that only one label can be true.

fuckin brainlets and your shit tier physics won't save you.

>>10207767
too complicated says the brainlet.

This code is as basic as your mother's Son.

>>10207793
>thinks too complicated means too complicated to understand it rather than more complicated than it needs to be
>calls others brainlets

>>10207810
complicated code would imply that my code is to intricate or consisting of too many parts, which is far from the truth, its actually a short function considering its under 10 lines.... you brainlet, so the only other reason it is complicated code is because you don't understand you autistic cunt.

>>10202027
suppose label 1 is true. this would imply 2 others false and a gift present in 1st box. but then statement 2 is false which would imply gift in box no 2, but there is only one gift- a contradiction.
suppose statement 2 is true. then 1 and 3 are false, so gift is not in 1 and not in 2 by assumption. staement 3 being false implies gift being in box no 1, but as we have shown assumption of statement no 2 being true implies thats not possible- a contradiction.
suppose, at last, that statement 3 is true. then 1 and 2 are false. it impies gift being in box no 2 and no contradiction is impied and since one of the boxes contains a present, it must be the box no 2.

>>10207827
Bro shut the fuck up

>one label is true
>Box A declares truth
>Box C would imply Box A is lying, therefore box B would also be lying as only one label is true.

if Box A is true , the box B is true and box C is lying. More then two labels are true therefore breaking the rules.

>>10207844
rule IS one true rest false.
if you assume A is true then automatically to stick with the rules assume B and C false.

I am an astrophysicist with a confirmed IQ of 170+ and I do declare that the gift is in the yellow box.

>>10207880
if b is false then it is logically true based on its statement, then that means there are two truths when there is only one permitted in accordance to the rules your retard.

>>10202027

1) Assume a straightforward, non-trick-question prompt: "gift" and "present" mean the same thing, "gift" isn't to be interpreted in its German language sense as "poison", The prompt itself, with its conditions, is not to be taken as one of the "labels", of which there are three.

2) Consider that the three possible locations of the present are a distinct matter from the three given statements, which also refer to the boxes and the present, but need not be coupled directly with them as in the graphic (a sly ruse to trip up the double-digit IQ bunch). There are two triplets of propositions, and exactly one of each triplet must be true. Moreover, (a subtlety), exactly one of the nine ordered pairs of the two triplets' Cartesian products, with their immediately entailed consequences per the prompt (the other four props are false), must be true (it is possible to imagine analogous situations in which multiple distinct such ordered pairs in a given analogous problem are true, a very very dumb-simple exercise left to the reader (hint: identity) defeating the spirit of the given problem).

3) For convenience, label the boxes themselves "a-c", from left to right. Let A-C be the propositions "The present is in box a-c" respectively. Let [math]\alpha, \beta, \gamma[/math] denote the three given statements, also propositions. The problem is to inspect the nine elements of the Cartesian product A, B, C x [math]\alpha, \beta, \gamma[/math], finding exactly one ordered pair having both components true, and with the other four components not written immediately given as false per the prompt. If such exists, the problem is consistent. If not, not.

4) Observe/derive about 10 or so useful manipulation rules.

5) Inspection. Given that there are only nine cases, we propose inelegant brute force. 8 immediately entail not-"greek", but imply "greek" per the inference rules. Only (B, gamma) is consistent with all of the derivable rules, so the problem as given is consistent.

>>10202027
The center box, since it's the only one that satisfies the requirement of not contradicting any of the labels.

>>10209364
To clarify, the center and left labels are false.

I have another problem for OP:

Box1 label: The gift is here
Box2 label: The gift is not here
Box3 label: The gift is not here

All labels are true, where is the gift?

Strip???

jesus fuck, i'm just trying to have a nice holidays and this, can you fuck candies please stahp, these tricks are self referential on the community which is spurious within itself, let's all just go home and not give a fuck together

>>10209576
Box1

>>10209292

Cont, some detail on the inspection in this treatment.

Five rules (given in one version, here) constitute the complete structure of the problem, and the necessary logical relationships of the six propositions as given in the problem's statement, together with the "exactly one-of-three" language about each triplet. These rules can be supplemented by their valid transformations, other general rules of inference, etc. In order for a case to be valid, these five rules are (one statement of) precisely the system which must not be violated on any point.

1) [math]A \iff \alpha \iff ¬\gamma [/math]
2) [math]B \iff ¬\beta[/math]
3) [math]C \implies ¬\alpha [/math]
4) [math]C \implies \beta[/math]
5) [math]C \implies \gamma[/math]

Nine ordered pairs of statements must be checked. For example, the pair [math](A,\alpha)[/math] entails that both of its components are true, and that all four other components not given are false. So, in this case we have [math]¬\beta[/math]. But by negation of 2) the pair also implies [math]\beta[/math] itself, a contradiction. This approach can be used to rule out 8 of 9 cases. One possible approach is finished below:

[math](A, \beta): ¬\alpha, \implies \alpha \; (1)[/math]
[math](A, \gamma): ¬\beta, \implies \beta \; (2), negation) [/math]
[math](B, \alpha): ¬\gamma, \implies \gamma \; (1), negation)[/math]
[math](B, \beta): ¬\gamma, \implies \gamma \; (1), negation)[/math]
[math](C, \alpha): ¬\gamma, \implies \gamma \; (1), negation)[/math]
[math](C, \beta): ¬\gamma, \implies \gamma \; (1), negation)[/math]
[math](C, \gamma): ¬\beta, \implies \beta \; (2), negation)[/math]

This leaves [math](B,\gamma)[/math] which entails/fixes [math]¬A, ¬C, ¬\alpha, ¬\beta[/math]. [math]\gamma, ¬A, ¬\alpha[/math] agree with 1). [math]B, ¬\beta[/math] are happy per 2). Since C is false, we require that all three of [math]¬\alpha, \beta, \gamma[/math] are true per 3)-5), and they are. Happy solution and consistent problem.

For 120 IQ

>>10204783
red bad green good :DDDDDDDDD

>>10210691
that looks beautiful

>>10210691
Respect.

It's in the Green, right?

>>10210899
Nevermind, I realized it said only one is false

>>10210871
>>10210883

One error in the post that you replied to: the penultimate sentence is a misrepresentation (I brainfarted the conditional), mistaking a false->true situation, or a false->false situation (which are true) for a true->false situation (which is false).

Notice that in the post itself, I wrote first that [math]¬\beta[/math] is true, immediately contradicting myself by asserting that [math]\beta[/math] is true. Happily this doesn't matter as we instead should have said that the things in the RHS's of 3)-5) are "free". And indeed, two of them are true and one of them is false upon review, but it doesn't matter because all three conditionals evaluate to true, and the thing holds of course. We regret the error.

I don't consider myself that smart but this was pretty easy; it's middle

>>10202027
label on the right is correct and the gift is in the middle since the label is false
other 2 are impossible

>tfw took more than a minute to figured its the middle

I might be retarded

Middle. How the fuck can this thread be so long? That shit took two seconds and I figured it was a trick and wasted another minute to make sure.
IQ high 130's but I'm pretty sure I would have the same answer if I was retarded.

I don't get it. The condition for both box A and C is true if the gift is in either? B is the only box where it's false if the gift is in it, why does google say that's the answer?

>>10211372
There is no "if/or." Every condition must be met. There is only one answer. Are you a politician?

>>10211356
>same answer if I was retarded
that's pretty ableist. you have to understand people's limitations or else you'll end up overestimating them.

>>10211624
It is always better to overestimate people. Always

Gift is in here 0
Gift is not in here 0
The gift is not in the polka-dot box 1


Only one statement is true, it being in middle-box.

The statement "The gift is in here" Is not true
The statement "The gift is not in here" is not true
The statement "The gift is not in the polka-dot box" is true.

>>10202062
t. Dumbass that doesnt know shit about math

Every heard of an ultrafilter, a lindenbaum-tarski algebra, or an axiomatizable theory? All very mathematical conceots, for lack of a better phrase.

OP here
holy shit I didn't expect so many retard to fall for simple quiz questions bait

>>10202027
Iq is a meme